what do you base your faith on?

[wingrider]

here is what I believe

That Jesus was the only begotten Son of God

That he was born of a virgin

that he fullfilled prophecy of healing the sick , curing the blind and raising the dead.

that he was sinless and died horribly on a cross after being beaten nearly to death. because that is the only way God and Man could be reconciled ( without the shedding of blood there is no remission of sins,

that he rose from the grave on the third day , defeating death , thus fulfilling the prophecy ( oh death where is thy sting, oh grave, where is thy victory.)

that he ascended into heaven and will return for his church ,( rapture)

unrepentant sinners will go through 7 years of tribulation,

that Jesus ( Yeshua ) will return as King of Kings and Lord of Lords and Rule the earth


WE all ( or most of us ) know the story of Jesus and his ministry of healing and preaching during his time here on earth. but if you want to know the Real Jesus ,, look no farther that the BooK of Revelation, in it you will find that Jesus is no lamb being led to the slaughter but is a conquering KING

tell us what you base your faith on

[Chris]

Well, when it comes to God I lack faith for agnostic reasons. I respect your belief and your liberty of conscience.

But I do I suppose put faith in the self-evident truths found in the Declaration for the reason those truths, or principles of liberty, work better than coercive tyrannies or socialistic theories.

[Alias]

I believe Jesus is God and I believe the Bible is the Word of God and Jesus is The Word made flesh.

[Clawhammer]

Rider. I think you pretty much summed it up for me as to what I b'lieve. But you asked what I base my Faith upon. Yes?

I base it upon what I see and feel. I cannot accept that this is all just an accident that has no purpose. I have asked some agnostics and atheists is they b'lieve in life elsewhere in the galaxy and, when they say yes, I ask them how many times could the same accident happen before it starts to look on purpose? I just caint come to the conclusion that all we see came from nothing without a Creator to initiate it.

And if a Creator gave life to all we see could He not also create life in the womb of a virgin?

As for the Bible, I b'lieve it to be inspired by God. To be the words given by God to the ancient writers. To be the inspired writings of the disciples who ministered to the fledgling Church. However, I b'lieve it to be incomplete.

One must remember it was compiled by a Roman Emperor from writings discovered in caves. Some were lost or discarded. It is known that there were 4 letters to the Church in Corinth but that only two could be found. It is known that there were more than 4 Gospels, but that some... like Thomas'... were not included. Knowing what we know of the Roman Empire gives me reason to question the motives of the early Roman Catholic Church in their compilation.

And before you quote John's warning at the end of Revelations, think of this. Each of the "chapters" of the Old Testament is a separate "Book". Genesis. Leviticus. Jonah. Proverbs (my fave). The "chapters" of the New Testament are mostly letters, except for the Gospels, which are Books. So, does Revelations more closely resemble the "letters" or the "Books"? I say John was warning us not to change any part of his vision in Revelations. His Book.

Not the entire Bible... some of which we have now hadn't even been written by the time Revelations was completed.

[wingrider]

Rider. I think you pretty much summed it up for me as to what I b'lieve. But you asked what I base my Faith upon. Yes?

I base it upon what I see and feel. I cannot accept that this is all just an accident that has no purpose. I have asked some agnostics and atheists is they b'lieve in life elsewhere in the galaxy and, when they say yes, I ask them how many times could the same accident happen before it starts to look on purpose? I just caint come to the conclusion that all we see came from nothing without a Creator to initiate it.

And if a Creator gave life to all we see could He not also create life in the womb of a virgin?

As for the Bible, I b'lieve it to be inspired by God. To be the words given by God to the ancient writers. To be the inspired writings of the disciples who ministered to the fledgling Church. However, I b'lieve it to be incomplete.

One must remember it was compiled by a Roman Emperor from writings discovered in caves. Some were lost or discarded. It is known that there were 4 letters to the Church in Corinth but that only two could be found. It is known that there were more than 4 Gospels, but that some... like Thomas'... were not included. Knowing what we know of the Roman Empire gives me reason to question the motives of the early Roman Catholic Church in their compilation.

And before you quote John's warning at the end of Revelations, think of this. Each of the "chapters" of the Old Testament is a separate "Book". Genesis. Leviticus. Jonah. Proverbs (my fave). The "chapters" of the New Testament are mostly letters, except for the Gospels, which are Books. So, does Revelations more closely resemble the "letters" or the "Books"? I say John was warning us not to change any part of his vision in Revelations. His Book.

Not the entire Bible... some of which we have now hadn't even been written by the time Revelations was completed.

I agree with ya on most everthing except the pat of Revelation.. eveation was written about 90 AD all the othe books letters etc were written before 77 AD I base this on the fact that Paul who wrote moste of the new testament was beheaded in 64 AD

[Clawhammer]

Revelation 17:10 suggests that the Book of Revelation was written during the reign of Nero, who died in 68AD. Some of the letters that are included in the NT are dated from 68AD to 75AD. This is by my understanding, but you are not the first to dispute this. You will probably not be the last, either.

[wingrider]

Revelation 17:10 suggests that the Book of Revelation was written during the reign of Nero, who died in 68AD. Some of the letters that are included in the NT are dated from 68AD to 75AD. This is by my understanding, but you are not the first to dispute this. You will probably not be the last, either.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/apocalypse/revelation/white.html


The Book of Revelation was written sometime around 96 CE in Asia Minor. The author was probably a Christian from Ephesus known as "John the Elder." According to the Book, this John was on the island of Patmos, not far from the coast of Asia Minor, "because of the word of God and the testimony of Jesus" (Rev. 1.10). This has traditionally been taken to mean that he had been exiled there as a martyr for his Christian faith.

Read more: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/apocalypse/revelation/white.html#ixzz1mwlgXPNX
but this is not germaine to the topic of the thread and that is what do you base your faith on.. but it is good to have a discussion on this .. why don't you start a thread on this particular topic and lets include the other letters making up the new testament and see if we all can help each other learn more about it. I think it would be a great topic.. thanks

[Mister D]

Are you a evangelical Protestant, Wing? How about you, Claw? Please don't delve into politics. Just theology please. :smiley:

[Peter1469]

I think Revelations was about the destruction of the Jews by the Romans in ~70Ad. When the second temple was destroyed and the Jews displaced from Israel.

[Peter1469]

http://www.livius.org/ja-jn/jewish_wars/jwar04.html

[wingrider]

Are you a evangelical Protestant, Wing? How about you, Claw? Please don't delve into politics. Just theology please. :smiley:

actualy I am an independant bible believing follower of Christ... I am Christain by faith and baptist by choice.

[wingrider]

I think Revelations was about the destruction of the Jews by the Romans in ~70Ad. When the second temple was destroyed and the Jews displaced from Israel.
some people hold to that line of thought but there are somethings in revelation that are not congruent to that thought line.. for example
the mark of the beast.. No time in history has that ever happened, the millenium kingdom still hsen't happened rev,20 and 21.. the white throne judgemnt rev 22 the battle of armegeddon rev 16 .. so I am a proponent of Revelation being the wrap up of history on this planet.
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