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Philly Rabbit
12-12-2013, 12:02 PM
http://i43.tinypic.com/2mw9sj.jpg



They were once called peace officers, now they're called law enforcement officers. Their uniforms used to be blue, the color of liberty. Their faces were always visible before the citizens. They wore name tags that were clearly readable by the citizens. They either walked a beat with a Billy club or drove marked police cars. They used to know who was and who wasn't supposed to be in your neighborhood after dark. They patrolled your neighborhood at night in their police cars. They used to be civilians.

Now they wear Para military uniforms and the above example looks like something out of Orwell's 1984. They carry military weapons and ride in armored personnel carriers. They consider every citizen a potential criminal.

What's happened to the police culture in America and more importantly why? Are the police now an enforcement branch, the strong arm of Big Brother?
Are they now government strong armed enforcers? They certainly look and act the part and this my friends is very alarming to me.

Philly Rabbit
12-12-2013, 02:49 PM
The police culture has changed dramatically in this country. Cops never had Para military units and cops never spent most of the night patrolling the highways for DUI's when the citizenry were in their homes in their neighborhoods. These measures come down from state governments who receive their directives from the federal authority. And of course liberals love anything connected to central authority.

The citizens are now all the potential targets of the governmental Para military police and of course political correctness over minority victimhood plays a large part in law enforcement also. It makes you wonder who the cops are now actually protecting.

Codename Section
12-12-2013, 02:51 PM
Thank Bush. The Patriot Act created DHS which has in turn advanced paramilitary police protocols and given away military equipment to local law enforcement if they create a high percentage of convictions.

Cigar
12-12-2013, 02:52 PM
The police culture has changed dramatically in this country. Cops never had Para military units and cops never spent most of the night patrolling the highways for DUI's when the citizenry were in their homes in their neighborhoods. These measures come down from state governments who receive their directives from the federal authority. And of course liberals love anything connected to central authority.

The citizens are now all the potential targets of the governmental Para military police and of course political correctness over minority victimhood plays a large part in law enforcement also. It makes you wonder who the cops are now actually protecting.

Yea and there use to be a time every Tom Dick and Boldie didn't carry a Gun and thought they were Dirty Harry

Philly Rabbit
12-12-2013, 03:31 PM
Yea and there use to be a time every Tom Dick and Boldie didn't carry a Gun and thought they were Dirty Harry

You enjoy the government police, don't you Mr. hold thanksgiving in the summer. The cops are on your side now.

Isn't that right?

Ravi
12-12-2013, 03:33 PM
That's what happens when you let gun nuts buy whatever kind of weapon in existence with out sensible background checks or training.

The Sage of Main Street
12-12-2013, 03:34 PM
http://i43.tinypic.com/2mw9sj.jpg



They were once called peace officers, now they're called law enforcement officers. Their uniforms used to be blue, the color of liberty. Their faces were always visible before the citizens. They wore name tags that were clearly readable by the citizens. They either walked a beat with a Billy club or drove marked police cars. They used to know who was and who wasn't supposed to be in your neighborhood after dark. They patrolled your neighborhood at night in their police cars. They used to be civilians.

Now they wear Para military uniforms and the above example looks like something out of Orwell's 1984. They carry military weapons and ride in armored personnel carriers. They consider every citizen a potential criminal.

What's happened to the police culture in America and more importantly why? Are the police now an enforcement branch, the strong arm of Big Brother?
Are they now government strong armed enforcers? They certainly look and act the part and this my friends is very alarming to me.

Imagine how they look to the criminals, who are enemies of the human race.

Adelaide
12-12-2013, 03:36 PM
The only time I've ever seen a police officer dressed that way with military firearms was when my high school went on lockdown after being stormed by 4-5 students that were said to have weapons, possibly firearms. Otherwise, never seen a cop who didn't look like a normal cop. Plus, I remember an incident out west where the RCMP had to borrow weapons from civilians to deal with a hostage situation/shoot-out because they didn't have the weapons they needed. I think that caused a change in their protocols but I still have never seen any police officer outside that one setting who wasn't dressed as a "peace officer".

Codename Section
12-12-2013, 03:59 PM
That's what happens when you let gun nuts buy whatever kind of weapon in existence with out sensible background checks or training.

That's how you think of local police? Surprising.

Agravan
12-12-2013, 04:03 PM
That's what happens when you let gun nuts buy whatever kind of weapon in existence with out sensible background checks or training.
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-A5j71oQRZlE/Ta8gUvx4eNI/AAAAAAAAAdE/y8CKWBQiFk4/s400/screwball.jpg

nathanbforrest45
12-12-2013, 04:35 PM
The only time I've ever seen a police officer dressed that way with military firearms was when my high school went on lockdown after being stormed by 4-5 students that were said to have weapons, possibly firearms. Otherwise, never seen a cop who didn't look like a normal cop. Plus, I remember an incident out west where the RCMP had to borrow weapons from civilians to deal with a hostage situation/shoot-out because they didn't have the weapons they needed. I think that caused a change in their protocols but I still have never seen any police officer outside that one setting who wasn't dressed as a "peace officer".


If I could have given you more than one accolade I would have on this post. You are correct. I have never seen any policeman dressed like that except in some movie or TV program. I have lived in small rural towns and large million plus citizens and I have never seen the Ninja cops. Perhaps since I don't take hostages or run a meth lab or am plotting the overthrow of the government I just don't come into contact with them

Are you speaking of the incident in California where two or three guys robbed a bank then had a major shoot out on the streets. That was the LAPD not the RCMP

Codename Section
12-12-2013, 04:37 PM
If I could have given you more than one accolade I would have on this post. You are correct. I have never seen any policeman dressed like that except in some movie or TV program. I have lived in small rural towns and large million plus citizens and I have never seen the Ninja cops. Perhaps since I don't take hostages or run a meth lab or am plotting the overthrow of the government I just don't come into contact with them

Are you speaking of the incident in California where two or three guys robbed a bank then had a major shoot out on the streets. That was the LAPD not the RCMP


You're very lucky. I hope it stays that way for you.

Adelaide
12-12-2013, 07:01 PM
If I could have given you more than one accolade I would have on this post. You are correct. I have never seen any policeman dressed like that except in some movie or TV program. I have lived in small rural towns and large million plus citizens and I have never seen the Ninja cops. Perhaps since I don't take hostages or run a meth lab or am plotting the overthrow of the government I just don't come into contact with them

Are you speaking of the incident in California where two or three guys robbed a bank then had a major shoot out on the streets. That was the LAPD not the RCMP

No it was the RCMP in I think in Manitoba (Canadian province), or somewhere rural out west anyways. There was some kind of shoot-out and the RCMP had to ask/borrow weapons from civillians in the area because they didn't have the necessary ammo or equipment to handle the situation. Canadians in rural areas have a crap load of guns for hunting and to fight off predators from their farmlands/livestock. It was a huge embarrassment.

bladimz
12-12-2013, 07:18 PM
Most of the cops in my area are regular cops wearing regular cop-stuff, (heavy on the belt). A few of them are dumpy and i wonder how many could run a half-mile without dropping...

My wife works for a communications company and interacts with the local police depts. in the area on a daily basis. She doesn't see the kind of law enforcement officer the OP is talking about. We do, however, see them on "Criminal Minds".

What i do think is going on is that the para-military police are more readily deployed then they ever were before. I'm not sure exactly why. Part of me thinks that the departments have the gear; they'd better use it as often as possible. Use it or lose it, you know.

iustitia
12-12-2013, 09:13 PM
http://www.timesdispatch.com/opinion/our-opinion/columnists-blogs/bart-hinkle/hinkle-commit-any-felonies-lately/article_58344fc1-7d4f-584a-8d16-36a1b1f2cdc0.html
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323848804578608040780519904.html?m od=WSJ_hpp_LEFTTopStories
https://www.aclu.org/militarization

nathanbforrest45
12-13-2013, 08:53 AM
No it was the RCMP in I think in Manitoba (Canadian province), or somewhere rural out west anyways. There was some kind of shoot-out and the RCMP had to ask/borrow weapons from civillians in the area because they didn't have the necessary ammo or equipment to handle the situation. Canadians in rural areas have a crap load of guns for hunting and to fight off predators from their farmlands/livestock. It was a huge embarrassment.

Same thing happened in LA. The cops didn't get the guns from civilians (because despite what the media wants you to think there is not an over abundance of automatic weapons in civilian hands). They went to gun shops but even the police didn't have the kinds of weapons the OP is claiming are the norm today.

nathanbforrest45
12-13-2013, 08:54 AM
You're very lucky. I hope it stays that way for you.

LOL LOL LOL LOL

You have been watching to much TV bro

peoshi
12-13-2013, 02:18 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1452yvw5RA

Max Rockatansky
12-13-2013, 02:25 PM
The citizens are now all the potential targets of the governmental Para military police and of course political correctness over minority victimhood plays a large part in law enforcement also. It makes you wonder who the cops are now actually protecting.

Yes, they look really dangerous. It's fucking 1984!

http://www.ctownpd.com/images/IMG_3356.JPG

Codename Section
12-13-2013, 02:37 PM
LOL LOL LOL LOL

You have been watching to much TV bro

From the Left

https://www.aclu.org/militarization

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/12/09/doj-agency-warns-of-polic_n_4412377.html


In the monthly e-newsletter (http://cops.usdoj.gov/html/dispatch/12-2013/will_the_growing_militarization_of_our_police_doom _community_policing.asp) for the Justice Department's Community Oriented Police Services (COPS) program, Senior Policy Analyst Karl Bickel sounds the alarm about the militarization of America's domestic police forces. Here's his conclusion:[/URL]




Police chiefs and sheriffs may want to ask themselves—if after hiring officers in the spirit of adventure, who have been exposed to action oriented police dramas since their youth, and sending them to an academy patterned after a military boot camp, then dressing them in black battle dress uniforms and turning them loose in a subculture steeped in an “us versus them” outlook toward those they serve and protect, while prosecuting the war on crime, war on drugs, and now a war on terrorism—is there any realistic hope of institutionalizing community policing as an operational philosophy?
Given that a number of federal agencies are responsible for incentivizing and providing the hardware for police militarization, it's interesting -- and encouraging - to see a federal agency publish a piece like this. I suppose if there were a federal agency that would publish it, it would be COPS, which promotes a style of policing that's in direct contradiction to the trend Bickel, and I, and others, find troubling.


Community policing should be the antithesis of militarization. It puts cops directly into the community, where they walk beats, attend neighborhood meetings, and know the names of the high school principals and business owners in the areas they serve. The idea is to give the cops a stake in these communities, so they're seen by the communities -- and see themselves -- as citizens protecting and serving other citizens, not enforcers fighting wars on crime, or drugs, or terrorism.

And from the Right

http://therealnews.com/t2/index.php?Itemid=74&id=767&jumival=10231&option=com_content&task=view (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/politics/)

And from Libertarians

[url]http://www.cato.org/publications/white-paper/overkill-rise-paramilitary-police-raids-america


http://reason.com/tags/militarization-of-police

Philly Rabbit
12-13-2013, 03:45 PM
If I could have given you more than one accolade I would have on this post. You are correct. I have never seen any policeman dressed like that except in some movie or TV program. I have lived in small rural towns and large million plus citizens and I have never seen the Ninja cops. Perhaps since I don't take hostages or run a meth lab or am plotting the overthrow of the government I just don't come into contact with them

Are you speaking of the incident in California where two or three guys robbed a bank then had a major shoot out on the streets. That was the LAPD not the RCMP

Well you probably never see any police period if you live in a neighborhood similar to mine. I remember when the local cops number one priority was patrolling citizen neighborhoods at night. Now they're all out on the highways looking to fill their quotas with DUI arrests. This also comes down from the federal authority because of a powerful lobby called the mothers against drunk drivers. (Mothers against men).

And no, police never had Para military units either and yes the police were once part of the community and not on this isolated island of governmental enforcement.

Philly Rabbit
12-15-2013, 08:24 AM
Same thing happened in LA. The cops didn't get the guns from civilians (because despite what the media wants you to think there is not an over abundance of automatic weapons in civilian hands). They went to gun shops but even the police didn't have the kinds of weapons the OP is claiming are the norm today.

Tell me something please. Do you think a person sitting in a bar having a few drinks trying to unwind after a day's work is a criminal?

Philly Rabbit
12-15-2013, 08:27 AM
Most of the cops in my area are regular cops wearing regular cop-stuff, (heavy on the belt). A few of them are dumpy and i wonder how many could run a half-mile without dropping...

My wife works for a communications company and interacts with the local police depts. in the area on a daily basis. She doesn't see the kind of law enforcement officer the OP is talking about. We do, however, see them on "Criminal Minds".

What i do think is going on is that the para-military police are more readily deployed then they ever were before. I'm not sure exactly why. Part of me thinks that the departments have the gear; they'd better use it as often as possible. Use it or lose it, you know.

Let me ask you something.

Did Rodney King and OJ Simpson have anything to do with changing the criminal justice system in America and along with it, the country's entire police culture?

Philly Rabbit
12-15-2013, 08:32 AM
Yes, they look really dangerous. It's fucking 1984!

http://www.ctownpd.com/images/IMG_3356.JPG

Those are "male meter maids." They're also called anti smoking police. You'll find them in places like airports where smoking has been banned inside and outside the facilities and they look for smokers and ticket them.

Philly Rabbit
12-15-2013, 08:35 AM
LOL LOL LOL LOL

You have been watching to much TV bro

Did you ever watch a film about Waco Texas or a film about what happened to Randy Weaver and his family at Ruby Ridge?

- they are non fiction films dramatized in Hollywood fashion but non fiction none the less.

lynn
12-15-2013, 08:47 AM
The police culture has changed dramatically in this country. Cops never had Para military units and cops never spent most of the night patrolling the highways for DUI's when the citizenry were in their homes in their neighborhoods. These measures come down from state governments who receive their directives from the federal authority. And of course liberals love anything connected to central authority.

The citizens are now all the potential targets of the governmental Para military police and of course political correctness over minority victimhood plays a large part in law enforcement also. It makes you wonder who the cops are now actually protecting.


They are protecting themselves as the original oath was to protect and serve the public is no longer the case.

Max Rockatansky
12-15-2013, 08:56 AM
Those are "male meter maids." They're also called anti smoking police. You'll find them in places like airports where smoking has been banned inside and outside the facilities and they look for smokers and ticket them.
Police nonetheless.

Sorry to bust the bubble on the Police Militia meme, but I do admit to having fun with it.

Here are more:

http://memecrunch.com/image/51aab1c7afa96f74b9000044.gif?w=400

http://www.tampabaycriminaldefenselawyerblog.com/Police Horse.jpg

Alyosha
12-15-2013, 10:56 AM
I'm sure there are still police like that. This is a nation of 350 million with out undocumenteds or whatever we want to call people who stayed illegally.

The fact remains that there is a rise in paramilitary operations by our police. We went from 400 uses of SWAT a few short years ago to over 40,000.

http://www.cato.org/publications/white-paper/overkill-rise-paramilitary-police-raids-america

So trot out the horse pics all you will, but it ignores the progressive nature of the problem. You've done that twice now. I realize the past is a much nicer place to live in than the "now" but it really doesn't help matter much.

Alyosha
12-15-2013, 10:57 AM
http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/18225-why-are-swat-teams-answering-routine-police-calls

Wrong, apparently, because in recent years, the use of SWAT teams for routine law enforcement matters (http://www.alternet.org/shot-death-police-betting-football-game-rise-paramilitary-force-america?paging=off) has been on the rise, with sometimes fatal consequences. These highly trained police personnel are being sent out on gambling raids, ordered to break up underage parties and even dispatched to handle student loan fraud (http://www.care2.com/causes/pay-your-student-loans-or-be-ready-for-the-s-w-a-t-team.html). Not the best use of taxpayer resources, given the expense of maintaining a SWAT team and sending members out on calls, but more than that, it’s a troubling indicator of something going deeply wrong in America.
In the United States, the police are kept separate from the military (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323848804578608040780519904.html) for a number of social and political reasons. Paramilitary forces like SWAT teams, developed in 1960s Los Angeles to address considerable social unrest, are intended to be used judiciously, in situations where a threat to civilian wellbeing and social stability is so significant that it justifies the use of considerable force and organized military tactics against members of the civilian community.


Thus, a potential terrorist threat or situations in which people’s lives are endangered by a gunman or another threat of violence is an appropriate use of a SWAT team or similarly-trained arm of a police department.


But what about routine law enforcement situations? These are supposed to be the purview of the police, who are trained in how to handle them, and when to determine if they need more substantial backup. When a police raid includes a SWAT team, the mix can turn explosive and dangerous extremely quickly; and police killings, particularly of young black men, are a problem across the United States thanks to the criminalization of ordinary activities like walking down the street in baggy jeans or even existing while black.


Such activities are also including searches under nebulous circumstances, the use of excessive force, and other abuses of law enforcement power that have a net effect of intimidating civilians. This is a troubling development in a nation that enshrines civil liberties and the ability to live without interference from police forces unless clear evidence of lawbreaking is occurring, and it’s evident that some police forces and their SWAT teams are overstepping boundaries, sometimes with inadequately trained personnel who aren’t prepared to deal with the complexity of a chaotic raid situation.

Philly Rabbit
12-15-2013, 11:19 AM
They are protecting themselves as the original oath was to protect and serve the public is no longer the case.

You are exactly right. The police in this country have circled the wagons.

donttread
12-15-2013, 11:34 AM
Our whole society looks like something out of Orwell's 1984



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They were once called peace officers, now they're called law enforcement officers. Their uniforms used to be blue, the color of liberty. Their faces were always visible before the citizens. They wore name tags that were clearly readable by the citizens. They either walked a beat with a Billy club or drove marked police cars. They used to know who was and who wasn't supposed to be in your neighborhood after dark. They patrolled your neighborhood at night in their police cars. They used to be civilians.

Now they wear Para military uniforms and the above example looks like something out of Orwell's 1984. They carry military weapons and ride in armored personnel carriers. They consider every citizen a potential criminal.

What's happened to the police culture in America and more importantly why? Are the police now an enforcement branch, the strong arm of Big Brother?
Are they now government strong armed enforcers? They certainly look and act the part and this my friends is very alarming to me.[/QUOTE]

Philly Rabbit
12-15-2013, 11:38 AM
Does anyone besides me notice how liberals all of a sudden like the police? Now how did this happen? The left's forbearer heroes, the sixties radicals hated the police. The radicals attacked the police with firebombs, rocks and loaded weapons back then and liberals have never since ever liked the police. But now they do.

The cops under politically correct directives from the federal authority down through the states and into the communities now practice and uphold "social justice" and not the laws of the different communities which explains why this sudden change with liberals occured toward the police.

When old man Bush, Bush forty one put those cops on trial out in LA back then over the Rodney King verdict and overstepped his presidential authority and his constitutional boundaries doing it, the entire criminal justice system in this country began to dramatically change. The ensuing riots that occurred over King saw the police stand by and do nothing as America's cities burned down.

Max Rockatansky
12-15-2013, 11:41 AM
I'm sure there are still police like that. This is a nation of 350 million with out undocumenteds or whatever we want to call people who stayed illegally.

The fact remains that there is a rise in paramilitary operations by our police. We went from 400 uses of SWAT a few short years ago to over 40,000.

http://www.cato.org/publications/white-paper/overkill-rise-paramilitary-police-raids-america

So trot out the horse pics all you will, but it ignores the progressive nature of the problem. You've done that twice now. I realize the past is a much nicer place to live in than the "now" but it really doesn't help matter much.

Let's also not ignore that the bad guys have also escalated their weaponry and tactics. It seems silly to send police armed with a billy club to fight gangsters armed with .45 Thompson submachine guns or AK-47s smuggled in from some Third World shit hole.

Do pictures like the one below disturb me? Yes, but not for the reason you and others here seem so concerned about. It disturbs me because too many Americans are spineless wimps hiding in their homes and wanting the police to be out their in their armored cars with automatic weapons.

It reminds me of the Jack Nicholson as Col. Jessup rant in the movie "A Few Good Men":
"You can't handle the truth! Son, we live in a world that has walls, and those walls have to be guarded by men with guns. Who's gonna do it? You? You, Lieutenant Weinberg? I have a greater responsibility than you can possibly fathom. You weep for Santiago and you curse the Marines. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know, that Santiago's death, while tragic, probably saved lives. And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves lives! You don't want the truth, because deep down in places you don't talk about at parties, you want me on that wall. You need me on that wall. We use words like "honor", "code", "loyalty". We use these words as the backbone of a life spent defending something. You use them as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it! I would rather you just said "thank you", and went on your way. Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a weapon, and stand a post. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you are entitled to."

The problem isn't that the police have advanced weaponry. The problem is too many Americans want them "on that wall" and too many Americans are afraid to pick up a weapon and stand a post.

http://media.knoxnews.com/media/img/photos/2013/04/19/media_dc84ac482d9c4ad59d0c50f995b5a307_t607.jpg
http://cdn.eluniversal.com/2013/04/19/bostoncito1.520.360.jpg

Philly Rabbit
12-15-2013, 11:44 AM
Our whole society looks like something out of Orwell's 1984



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They were once called peace officers, now they're called law enforcement officers. Their uniforms used to be blue, the color of liberty. Their faces were always visible before the citizens. They wore name tags that were clearly readable by the citizens. They either walked a beat with a Billy club or drove marked police cars. They used to know who was and who wasn't supposed to be in your neighborhood after dark. They patrolled your neighborhood at night in their police cars. They used to be civilians.

Now they wear Para military uniforms and the above example looks like something out of Orwell's 1984. They carry military weapons and ride in armored personnel carriers. They consider every citizen a potential criminal.

What's happened to the police culture in America and more importantly why? Are the police now an enforcement branch, the strong arm of Big Brother?
Are they now government strong armed enforcers? They certainly look and act the part and this my friends is very alarming to me.[/QUOTE]

Ahhhhhhh - and so?