Anarchy Question for Statists

[Green Arrow]

Assuming we abolished the government tomorrow:

1) Would you murder?
2) Would you steal?
3) Would you do every drug known to man?
4) Would you rape?
5) Would you burn down buildings?
6) If you answered "no" to any of the above, what would you do, then?

[Captain Obvious]

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[Codename Section]

Looting beer during a hurricane seems natural. Not like you can drink the water.

[Captain Obvious]

Looting beer during a hurricane seems natural. Not like you can drink the water.

Yeah but Heinekin + green bottles + warm weather = skunky beer.

... blech!

[Cigar]

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[Green Arrow]

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Are you going to answer the questions?

[Cigar]

Yeah but Heinekin + green bottles + warm weather = skunky beer.

... blech!

Heinekin is skunky beer at any temperature ... Upgrade your Beer. :grin:

[Chris]

Looting beer during a hurricane seems natural. Not like you can drink the water.

Private security.

[Captain Obvious]

Heinekin is skunky beer at any temperature ... Upgrade your Beer. :grin:

What the fuck makes you think I drink that stuff?

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[Cigar]

Are you going to answer the questions?

I'd look for Roselyn Sánchez ... :grin:

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[Cigar]

Assuming we abolished the government tomorrow:

1) Would you murder?
2) Would you steal?
3) Would you do every drug known to man?
4) Would you rape?
5) Would you burn down buildings?
6) If you answered "no" to any of the above, what would you do, then?

I'd survive by any means possible ... :wink: you can take that to the Bank, because that would be my first stop ... then me and Roselyn can relax.

[nic34]

Assuming we abolished the government tomorrow:

1) Would you murder?
2) Would you steal?
3) Would you do every drug known to man?
4) Would you rape?
5) Would you burn down buildings?
6) If you answered "no" to any of the above, what would you do, then?

"No" also makes the case for atheism....

:wink:

[Chris]

Looting beer during a hurricane seems natural. Not like you can drink the water.


Private security.


What I was getting at here was anarchy does not imply chaos, no government does not imply no governance.

[Green Arrow]

"No" also makes the case for atheism....

:wink:

Yes, yes it does :tongue:

What are your answers?

[nic34]

No to all of course. And I'd do like chris. Security. Won't be pretty tho...

[Green Arrow]

No to all of course. And I'd do like chris. Security. Won't be pretty tho...

Right, you don't need the government to do the right thing. Correct?

[Codename Section]

Did anyone realize the topic is not "bulls**t we say to each other when we're drunk"? Back on topic please.

[Cigar]

If we abolished the government tomorrow ... I'd do exactly what I said I do. :wink:

[Cthulhu]

Assuming we abolished the government tomorrow:=

Sure, I'm not a statist, but I'll answer anyways.



1) Would you murder?

Nope. Although I would execute those who committed crimes worthy of death on my watch, or those who try to steal from me during such a time if it would risk my family's well being if said item were missing - like a water purifier or my firewood.



2) Would you steal?

I would forage, produce, and barter as best I could. I would take the possessions of those I wound up killing though.



3) Would you do every drug known to man?

I might sell every drug known to man if it got me supplies I needed. But doing them certainly would not help my situation in the slightest.



4) Would you rape?

No. This would never be an option. Even if saving the world hinged on me raping some woman to save it, the world is toast then, still wouldn't do it. Not worth the mark on the soul.



5) Would you burn down buildings?

Depends on the situation and who is in them. If it houses murderers who have been raiding and doing harm to others? I'd throw the first molotov cocktail and gun them down on the way out. Otherwise no.

I'd rather repurpose them for use, or just leave them alone.

[Chris]

Looting beer during a hurricane seems natural. Not like you can drink the water.


No to all of course. And I'd do like chris. Security. Won't be pretty tho...


Why? Is it pretty now? No, thus no need to seek perfection. And the argument could be made that private security has incentives public security does not.

[iustitia]

I'd steal me a fucking tank.

[Codename Section]

I'd do like I always do. I'm pretending like the government doesn't exist now and living accordingly so I'll be prepared for a collapse.

[nic34]

The Crash of 2016: The Plot to Destroy America--and What We Can Do to Stop It

(Germany is finally going to win the "world war" via economics)

http://www.amazon.com/The-Crash-2016-Destroy-America/dp/0446584835

[Codename Section]

I have made friends with food producers, I have no debt, and I provide needed services. People should do the same.

[Cthulhu]

I have made friends with food producers, I have no debt, and I provide needed services. People should do the same.

That is a good way to be.

[nathanbforrest45]

If government were to disappear tomorrow we would all meet down at the square and elect a new government. Its the natural state of mankind.

[nathanbforrest45]

I'd steal me a fucking tank.


Why would you need a fucking tank? Wouldn't a bedroom do as well?

[iustitia]

Mutually assured destruction.

[Chris]

If government were to disappear tomorrow we would all meet down at the square and elect a new government. Its the natural state of mankind.


Perhaps evolved state, but its origins require forms of social order that probably didn't evolve till fairly recent times in the evolution of man.

What are the four most common explanations for the origin of government? (http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20081207172931AApYxgc)


There are a wide range of theories about the reasons for establishing governments. The four major ones are briefly described below. Note that they do not always fully oppose each other - it is possible for a person to subscribe to a combination of ideas from two or more of these theories.

1)Force Theory

Many political philosophies that are opposed to the existence of a government (such as Anarchism, Nihilism, and to a lesser extent Marxism), as well as others, emphasize the historical roots of governments - the fact that governments, along with private property, originated from the authority of warlords and petty despots who took, by force, certain patches of land as their own (and began exercising authority over the people living on that land). Thus, it is argued that governments exist to enforce the will of the strong and oppress the weak, maintaining and protecting the privilege of a ruling class. It states that the government emerged when all the people of an area were brought under the authority of one person or group.

2)Order and tradition

The various forms of conservatism, by contrast, generally see the government as a positive force that brings order out of chaos, establishes laws to end the "war of all against all", encourages moral virtue while punishing vice, and respects tradition. Sometimes, in this view, the government is seen as something ordained by a higher power, as in the divine right of kings, which human beings have a duty to obey.

3)Natural rights

Natural rights are the basis for the theory of government shared by most branches of liberalism (including libertarianism). In this view, human beings are born with certain natural rights, and governments are established strictly for the purpose of protecting those rights. What the natural rights actually are is a matter of dispute among liberals; indeed, each branch of liberalism has its own set of rights that it considers to be natural, and these rights are sometimes mutually exclusive with the rights supported by other liberals. As a result, there is some debate between natural rights theorists, ranging from modern writers such as Tibor Machan to Enlightenment thinkers such as Locke, Kant, or Jefferson.

4)Social contract

One of the most influential theories of government in the past two hundred years has been the social contract, on which modern democracy and most forms of socialism are founded. The social contract theory holds that governments are created by the people in order to provide for collective needs (such as safety from crime, poverty, illiteracy) that cannot be properly satisfied using purely individual means. Governments thus exist for the purpose of serving the needs and wishes of the people, and their relationship with the people is clearly stipulated in a "social contract" (a constitution and a set of laws) which both the government and the people must abide by. If a majority is unhappy, it may change the social contract. If a minority is unhappy, it may persuade the majority to change the contract, or it may opt out of it by emigration or secession. This theory is based on the idea that all men live in a state of nature which is not ideal to perfect harmony. It is also an agreement among the members of an organized society or between the governed and the government defining and limiting the rights and duties of each. Thomas Hobbes, John Locke, Jean-Jacques Rousseau are three of the most famous philosophers of contractarianism.