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Cigar
12-18-2013, 12:17 PM
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After 18 months and repeated insistence by top officials that voter fraud is rampant, Iowa’s voter fraud investigation has essentially gone nowhere. The Des Moines Register reported Monday that the investigation, which has cost the state about $150,000 so far, has unearthed a total of 16 cases (http://www.desmoinesregister.com/article/20131216/NEWS09/312160041/Iowa-voter-fraud-probe-nets-few-cases-no-trials-since-July-2012?Frontpage) for criminal prosecution.


Five of these cases have been dismissed, while five others have resulted in guilty pleas. Three guilty pleas were submitted by felons who thought their voting rights had been automatically restored upon getting out of prison, as they would have been before a 2011 executive order (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/24/iowa-felons-voting-rights-terry-branstad_n_1622742.html) by Gov. Terry Branstad (R).


Branstad claimed last year that many Iowans “falsely vote in an area where they’re not eligible” while pushing for a voter ID law (http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/02/01/416644/iowa-gov-branstad-falsely-claims-voter-id-is-needed-because-people-falsely-vote/) that makes voting disproportionately harder for people who are poor, non-white, or elderly. Secretary of State Matt Schultz (R), who spearheaded the investigation, has also long argued that the state has a voter fraud problem. He told the Des Moines Register that the 16 cases — which account for .00075 percent (http://sos.iowa.gov/elections/pdf/2012/general/statestats.pdf) of Iowa’s registered voters — prove that voter fraud exists.


However, many of the cases that have not already been dismissed appear to be motivated more by confusion than criminal intent. One woman who pled guilty cast an absentee ballot for her daughter, because her daughter was worried she would not have time to register to vote after a recent move. Another inadvertently registered to vote while getting a state ID card, and was trying to fix the situation himself when he was ensnared by the investigation, according to his attorney. None of the cases have gone to trial yet.

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2013/12/17/3074691/voter-fraud-iowa/


Now ... for the Wacky Right Justification :deadhorse:

MrJimmyDale
12-18-2013, 12:25 PM
Well I feel better now that voter fraud has been debunked.........God Bless America!!!!! (Come on Cigar...you don't think there is a problem?)

Cigar
12-18-2013, 12:34 PM
Well I feel better now that voter fraud has been debunked.........God Bless America!!!!! (Come on @Cigar (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=294)...you don't think there is a problem?)

Let me guess ... more than 4,982,296 Fraudulent Voters :rollseyes:



Electoral vote
332

206



States carried
26 + DC (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington,_D.C.)
24



Popular vote
65,915,796
60,933,500


Percentage
51.1%
47.2%

AmazonTania
12-18-2013, 12:37 PM
It's only voter fraud if the other side wins, after all.

I guess we've learned nothing from 2000, 2004, or 2008.

MrJimmyDale
12-18-2013, 12:47 PM
Let me guess ... more than 4,982,296 Fraudulent Voters :rollseyes: Electoral vote 332 206 States carried 26 + DC (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington,_D.C.) 24 Popular vote 65,915,796 60,933,500 Percentage 51.1% 47.2% A few more that 16......

Cigar
12-18-2013, 12:49 PM
It's only voter fraud if the other side wins, after all.

I guess we've learned nothing from 2000, 2004, or 2008.

Sure we learned something ... Win in 2008 and 2012 :laugh:

AmazonTania
12-18-2013, 01:12 PM
Sure we learned something ... Win in 2008 and 2012 :laugh:

And?

patrickt
12-18-2013, 05:30 PM
Cigar is simply trying to brag that the Democrats are election fraud experts. I've never doubted it for a minute.

Question for the crooks. After an election, when a few hundred dead people showed up and voted, how is it possible to identify and charge anyone. Cigar? Any answers? Of course, you can't. But, the Democrats are willing to go to court to stop Voter ID laws that might make it more difficult for the dead to vote and for the deadbeats to vote repeatedly.

zelmo1234
12-18-2013, 05:39 PM
I do not doubt that it is only .75 percent in Iowa! not the most blue state in the union, it is an agricultural state, not a union manufacturing state, and has a low electoral vote relitively speaking!

I would be interesting to have the same study in PA, OH, MI and WI there is a lot more population and if the percentage would ahve doubled to 1.5% in these states, Obama looses!

Max Rockatansky
12-18-2013, 06:41 PM
Well I feel better now that voter fraud has been debunked.........God Bless America!!!!! (Come on @Cigar (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=294)...you don't think there is a problem?)

It is important that American citizens have complete trust and confidence in our voting system. The Republicans had done a good job of making a huge deal out of a problem that has 1) never been known to sway an election and 2) is less than 2% in every study I've seen.

What is becoming abundantly clear, and some Republicans have admitted this, is that the main drive behind the "voter fraud" accusations is to disenfranchise voters who are old, poor or non-white. Three guesses why.

Voter ID doesn't solve the main cause of voter fraud: abuse of absentee ballots. Want to get rid of absentee ballots? Then you've just disenfranchised almost every service member and every ex-pat.

Should this problem be fixed? Yes. Is it the problem the Republicans are trying to make it? No, it is not. It's about reducing the number of Democrat votes. Not about protecting the sanctity and integrity of our voting system. In fact, by seeking to disenfranchise American citizens, it is actually working against to weaken the sanctity and integrity of our voting system.

del
12-18-2013, 07:42 PM
I do not doubt that it is only .75 percent in Iowa! not the most blue state in the union, it is an agricultural state, not a union manufacturing state, and has a low electoral vote relitively speaking!

I would be interesting to have the same study in PA, OH, MI and WI there is a lot more population and if the percentage would ahve doubled to 1.5% in these states, Obama looses!

it's .00075%, not .75%

indeed, obama *looses*

Cigar
12-18-2013, 07:52 PM
Cigar is simply trying to brag that the Democrats are election fraud experts. I've never doubted it for a minute.

Question for the crooks. After an election, when a few hundred dead people showed up and voted, how is it possible to identify and charge anyone. Cigar? Any answers? Of course, you can't. But, the Democrats are willing to go to court to stop Voter ID laws that might make it more difficult for the dead to vote and for the deadbeats to vote repeatedly.

Did you forget the really big fraud, he wasn't even born in America :)

Brilliant isn't he :)

I bet Ted couldn't get away with it.

patrickt
12-19-2013, 06:31 AM
And, even more exciting news. Following the Democrat and Cigar logic, there were only 6 homicides in Chicago this year. That's because the dead bodies don't count until there has been an arrest, a trial, and a conviction. The bodies littering the streets? Those are indicative of nothing. Certainly not a murder.

So, when dead and non-existent people register to vote? Nothing. When dead and non-existent people show up to vote? Nothing. Well, at most they show an active and honorable get-out-the-vote effort by liberals and other racists.

But, it's the demand of the undemocratic Democrats that states make no effort to identify people voting. No, because that might lead to more arrests and more convictions which would be, in LibWorld, proof that Voter IDs cause election fraud.

The inmates are in charge of the asylum.

Oh, and Cigar's thread title is a lie but that's no surprise.