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Germanicus
12-26-2013, 02:29 PM
When budget woes reduced the sheriff's department in one rural Oregon county to a bare-bones force, residents decided to take matters into their own hands -- creating armed patrol groups in defiance of local officials.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/12/26/citizens-take-law-into-own-hands-after-cash-strapped-ore-county-guts-sheriff/

Jesus Christ guys. WTF?

Armed militia? In the streets of USA. Do you guys believe this is a good idea?

It is funny that before WW2 it was kind of common for there to be militia groups in western nations. Like the Brown Shirts for example. In the USA history there have been militia groups like The Wide Awake Republicans and stuff. In my opinion The Black Panthers and also the NOI are bordering on being militia groups.

The militia thing ties in with the US constitution and your right to bear arms. The second ammendment and stuff. So I know many carry a 'pocket constitution' in the US of A but isnt it a little backward in this day and age to have armed groups of local yokels patrolling the streets? This seems dangerous to me.

I do not agree at all with how some states of USA allow individuals to 'carry' a weapon in the street, amongst the public. This seems insane to me. I am happy that when I leave the house in Australia I know that the guy that I get into an argument with isnt carrying a gun under his shirt. That seems like a good thing to me.

What is to stop fanatics getting 'carry' licenses and forming conservative militia groups? Shouldnt the state be concerned about this happening?

If US isnt going to have an amnesty on weapons and bring in new and sensible modern laws then why not at least come down on vigilante groups that are carry weapons? Also association laws for those with that 'carry'.

What do you reckon?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPzg2R9tSnc

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I am guessing that those Wide Awake Republicans scared the fuck out of people when they came marching down a street with their torches blazing on a dark night. Light polution really makes torch marches a thing of the past really. Those German ones they had were kind of menacing too hey.

What if some armed group gets all political? I really do not think armed militia groups in USA should be allowed for any reason. How can you create armed patrol groups in defiance of authorities? What is this? The wild wild west? Yeehaw! Yipee ki Yay! (: Jesus. You know, normal countries do not allow groups of armed lunatics to roam the streets.

We also do not have sherrif that we allow to act like they are in the wild west. Like that sheriff Joe guy. Is that a joke? Seriously.

edit- if the US Government is happy to allow armed militia then they should at least be well regulated Right? (: America.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9imRk3N2kS4

edit- Sean Hannity says that he carries a pocket constitution. HAAAAA!!! He also says that he carries a gun and is a trained marksmen from the age of 12. Or 11. So do not laugh at him directly or he may shoot you. (: Well I dont think he would shoot you for that. Unless he happens to develop some kind of mental problems. He seems healthy right? (: Like he is pretty sane and all. All the wealth and power and stuff does not seem like it has gone to his head in any way. He is as down to earth as Bill OReilly really. Very level. Very healthy super-egos. (:

I wouldnt want Sean Hannity to 'carry' a weapon or any citizen. The state alone should have weapons and even then only certain police. It should be like England. Special cops can be used with weapons if they are needed.

Citizens should not have guns.

Only for hunting and with a license and an approved gun safe. And to be honest I am not so sure about hunting. That should be done by professional cullers if it is needed.

No citizen needs a gun.

If a criminal shoots you, bad luck. You cant live your life being a scared little girl like Sean Hannity.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unkIVvjZc9Y

Peter1469
12-26-2013, 04:25 PM
I think it is a good idea if they are using reliable people. I also hope that have good insurance policies. Hey, when the government stops protecting you, you do it yourself.

Ethereal
12-26-2013, 05:28 PM
In every free nation, the militia is an armed people. Switzerland has a pretty good example of what a modern militia is, though I'm more partial to the traditional model that won America its independence. Either way, a militia's strength is in its relatively populist and decentralized nature. Distributed networks are very robust and egalitarian.

Guest
12-26-2013, 07:38 PM
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/12/26/citizens-take-law-into-own-hands-after-cash-strapped-ore-county-guts-sheriff/


What is to stop fanatics getting 'carry' licenses and forming conservative militia groups? Shouldnt the state be concerned about this happening?



Maybe "the state" should be concerning itself with the record number of shootings in places like the streets of Chicago? Ya think?

At any rate, it appears the state is concerned about something...and arming itself to the teeth in response. It's just hard to tell these days who started this particular arms race.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/10/obama-police-militarization_n_3566478.html

Perhaps if people didn't feel their freedoms were being threatened by out-of-control federal and local governments they'd take a pass on the militias.

For the time being I think I'll put my trust in my neighbors instead of the politicians, bankers and corporate asswipes who are ruining the nation.

Ethereal
12-27-2013, 12:47 PM
Government police forces are certainly no better than a militia. They are expensive, insular, and self-interested, and their job is not to "protect and serve" but to enforce political dictates. Officer safety comes before citizen safety, and the supreme court has held that government police or agents are under no positive legal obligation to assist you in anyway, even if you're in mortal danger. And unlike a militia, the police have the authority to wantonly raid people's homes and even kill innocents in the process, crimes they are rarely, if ever, held accountable for...

Botched Paramilitary Police Raids (http://www.cato.org/raidmap)
If the local militia raids a home and kills an innocent grandfather (http://bostonherald.com/news_opinion/local_coverage/2011/01/grandpa_killed_drug_raid), they do not get to hide behind their legal privileges and assert some "right" of the state to violate our most basic property rights. They are held civilly and criminally liable for their conduct, and they don't get to pass the cost off on to the taxpayer.

Ethereal
12-27-2013, 12:53 PM
Best defense force in human history, the american militia...

http://americanmilitiamovement.com/info/1776/gucomili.jpg

Alyosha
12-27-2013, 01:11 PM
Government police forces are certainly no better than a militia. They are expensive, insular, and self-interested, and their job is not to "protect and serve" but to enforce political dictates. Officer safety comes before citizen safety, and the supreme court has held that government police or agents are under no positive legal obligation to assist you in anyway, even if you're in mortal danger. And unlike a militia, the police have the authority to wantonly raid people's homes and even kill innocents in the process, crimes they are rarely, if ever, held accountable for...

Botched Paramilitary Police Raids (http://www.cato.org/raidmap)


If the local militia raids a home and kills an innocent grandfather (http://bostonherald.com/news_opinion/local_coverage/2011/01/grandpa_killed_drug_raid), they do not get to hide behind their legal privileges and assert some "right" of the state to violate our most basic property rights. They are held civilly and criminally liable for their conduct, and they don't get to pass the cost off on to the taxpayer.


This is entirely true, but you must understand that most people (whether they realize it or not) will not think outside their paradigm. The comfort zone of "keeping things as they are" is strong in most, they believe that if they can just keep things the same with minimal impact everything will be fine.

Baby steps towards totalitarian governments are still moving forward towards a totalitarian government.

zelmo1234
12-27-2013, 01:27 PM
And as we have witnessed there are a lot of Good police officers on the street. But there are an increasing number of rotten ones that are power hungry just like the politicians.

The people must make sure that they stand up for all rights, not just toe ones that they agree with but the liberal school systems have been working very hard to turn out sheep! That are totally compliant and do not question authority!

Ivan88
12-27-2013, 05:16 PM
Constitutionally, the militia is what ever force the governedmen (public officials) call upon to help them do their job.

Originally public officials were servants of the American Man. It is these public servants that consented to be governed.

The American People did not consent to be governed. That is what the 1774 Declaration of Rights says,
"Resolved, N.C.D. 1. ..., and they have never ceded to any sovereign power whatever, a right to dispose of either without their consent."
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zelmo1234
12-27-2013, 05:22 PM
Constitutionally, the militia is what ever force the governedmen (public officials) call upon to help them do their job.

Originally public officials were servants of the American Man. It is these public servants that consented to be governed.

The American People did not consent to be governed. That is what the 1774 Declaration of Rights says,
"Resolved, N.C.D. 1. ..., and they have never ceded to any sovereign power whatever, a right to dispose of either without their consent."
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Which constitutionally relates to the people.

once upon a time in American the government was to serve the people? Now we have a government that wants the people to serve them