OY president's top ten constitutional violations

[Guest]

It's hard to believe that so many violations of the constitution could be the work of somebody who fancies himself a constitutional lawyer.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/2013/12/23/president-obamas-top-10-constitutional-violations-of-2013/

[jillian]

It's hard to believe that so many violations of the constitution could be the work of somebody who fancies himself a constitutional lawyer.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/2013/12/23/president-obamas-top-10-constitutional-violations-of-2013/

i'm sure you can link the supreme court cases that have found he has violated the constitution.

i look forward to seeing them.

[The Xl]

i'm sure you can link the supreme court cases that have found he has violated the constitution.

i look forward to seeing them.

Logical fallacy.

[Agravan]

i'm sure you can link the supreme court cases that have found he has violated the constitution.

i look forward to seeing them.
So, in your mind, no conviction = no crime, right?

[Mainecoons]

I don't think the Supreme Court is any more concerned with upholding the Constitution these days than Barack Obama and Jillian are.

BTW Jillian this is a specific list. You keep posing around here as some sort of legal expert, can you address any of the items in the list?

I didn't think so.

:grin:

[Guest]

i'm sure you can link the supreme court cases that have found he has violated the constitution.

i look forward to seeing them.

Sorry sweetheart, but there are a lot of things that are declared unconstitutional in the courts and are simply not worthy of the SCOTUS' busy schedule.

Never the less, at least one of Obama's sleezy moves has been declared unconstitutional by at least two different federal appeals courts. The Supreme Court has decided to hear it. Gee, I wonder what they'll have to say about this one? LMFAO

8. Recess appointments. Last year, President Obama appointed three members of the National Labor Relations Board, as well as the head of the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, during what he considered to be a Senate recess. But the Senate was still holding “pro forma” sessions every three days—a technique developed by Sen. Harry Reid to thwart Bush recess appointments. (Meanwhile, the Dodd-Frank Act, which created the CFPB, provides that authority remains with the Treasury Secretary until a director is “confirmed by the Senate.”) In January, the D.C. Circuit held the NLRB appointments to be unconstitutional, which ruling White House spokesman Jay Carney said only applied to “one court, one case, one company.”

[Chris]

i'm sure you can link the supreme court cases that have found he has violated the constitution.

i look forward to seeing them.


The people are the ultimate judges of constitutionality.

[Guest]

i'm sure you can link the supreme court cases that have found he has violated the constitution.

i look forward to seeing them.

Please feel free to comment on the two federal appeals courts that declared unconstitutional the Obama recess appointment last year, and which the SCOTUS plans to review this year.

[Captain Obvious]

The people are the ultimate judges of constitutionality.

Correction - money and power are the ultimate judges.

[Contrails]

The people are the ultimate judges of constitutionality.

How? Opinion polls? Referendum? Elections?

[donttread]

The very existence of federal interference in education, highways or drug policy violates the Constitution




It's hard to believe that so many violations of the constitution could be the work of somebody who fancies himself a constitutional lawyer.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/2013/12/23/president-obamas-top-10-constitutional-violations-of-2013/

[Chris]

How? Opinion polls? Referendum? Elections?

We vote with ballots, feet and pennies to name a few.

[Contrails]

We vote with ballots, feet and pennies to name a few.

Isn't it more common to file a lawsuit challenging the constitutionality of a particular legislative action?

[Chris]

Isn't it more common to file a lawsuit challenging the constitutionality of a particular legislative action?

Yes, another way the people are the ultimate judges of constitutionality.

[Contrails]

Yes, another way the people are the ultimate judges of constitutionality.

And if the court disagrees with them?

[Chris]

And if the court disagrees with them?

And if the court is wrong? A question I just asked in another thread on same thing: Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

[Contrails]

And if the court is wrong? A question I just asked in another thread on same thing: Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

That's where the power of the vote comes into play. But if we don't accept the word of the court as final, why even have it?

[Guest]

That's where the power of the vote comes into play. But if we don't accept the word of the court as final, why even have it?

It appears the courts trump the voters...at least they have on gay marriage. The courts have pretty much said they don't care what the people think, haven't they?

[jillian]

It appears the courts trump the voters...at least they have on gay marriage. The courts have pretty much said they don't care what the people think, haven't they?

of course courts trump the voters. when did the voters ever protect minority rights?

it's also how our government was set up. check it out sometime..

[Guest]

of course courts trump the voters. when did the voters ever protect minority rights?

it's also how our government was set up. check it out sometime..

Oh, while I have you. I was still waiting to hear your thoughts on the two federal appeals courts that declared Obama's recess appointments unconsitutional.

[fyrenza]

IF you get a response? AND it has anything to do with your question?

It will be a FIRST for that member,
and the rest of us will keel over from heart attacks and strokes!

[jillian]

Oh, while I have you. I was still waiting to hear your thoughts on the two federal appeals courts that declared Obama's recess appointments unconsitutional.

the ruling was inconsistent with rulings made during the bush administration under virtually identical circumstances.

that said, it will be argued before the high court on january 13, 2014.

http://www.scotusblog.com/case-files/cases/national-labor-relations-board-v-noel-canning/

[Mainecoons]

As usual, wrong again. The Bush recess appointments were made before Reid came up with the pro forma session ploy to stop them.


For example, during the last two years of the George W. Bush administration, Senate Majority Leader (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Senate_Majority_Leader)Harry Reid (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Reid) prevented any further recess appointments. Bush promised not to make any during the August recess that year, but no agreement was reached for the two-week Thanksgiving break in November 2007. As a result, Reid did not allow adjournments of more than three days from then until the end of the Bush presidency by holding pro forma (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pro_forma#United_States) sessions.[13] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recess_appointment#cite_note-13)[14] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recess_appointment#cite_note-14) Prior to this, there had been speculation that James Holsinger (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_W._Holsinger) would receive a recess appointment as U.S. surgeon general (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surgeon_General_of_the_United_States).[15] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recess_appointment#cite_note-15)

Prior to that ploy, recess appointments were regularly made by U.S. Presidents. After Reid implemented this tactic and blocked further recess appointments by Bush. Bush did not attempt to ignore Reid's ploy and make further recess appointments. The rulings, past and current, are not inconsistent since they are ruling on appointments made in different circumstances.

Both Reid and Obama are now trying to ignore the tactic which was in force for the Obama appointments that are being contested in court.

As usual in her zeal to express her hatred of Bush, Jillian misrepresents the situation and tries to pretend that Bush and Obama acted the same. Actually, Bush did not circumvent Reid's adjournment tactic. Obama and Reid have tried to ignore it and the courts have called him on it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recess_appointment