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Chris
12-30-2013, 08:02 PM
Sowell and the facts on consequences of liberal "look good and feel good" policies.

Liberalism vs Blacks (http://capitalismmagazine.com/2013/12/liberalism-vs-blacks/)


There is no question that liberals do an impressive job of expressing concern for blacks. But do the intentions expressed in their words match the actual consequences of their deeds?

San Francisco is a classic example of a city unexcelled in its liberalism. But the black population of San Francisco today is less than half of what it was back in 1970, even though the city’s total population has grown.

Severe restrictions on building housing in San Francisco have driven rents and home prices so high that blacks and other people with low or moderate incomes have been driven out of the city. The same thing has happened in a number of other California communities dominated by liberals.

Liberals try to show their concern for the poor by raising the level of minimum wage laws. Yet they show no interest in hard evidence that minimum wage laws create disastrous levels of unemployment among young blacks in this country, as such laws created high unemployment rates among young people in general in European countries.

The black family survived centuries of slavery and generations of Jim Crow, but it has disintegrated in the wake of the liberals’ expansion of the welfare state. Most black children grew up in homes with two parents during all that time but most grow up with only one parent today.

Liberals have pushed affirmative action, supposedly for the benefit of blacks and other minorities. But two recent factual studies show that affirmative action in college admissions has led to black students with every qualification for success being artificially turned into failures by being mismatched with colleges for the sake of racial body count.

The two most recent books that show this with hard facts are “Mismatch” by Richard Sander and Stuart Taylor, Jr., and “Wounds That Will Not Heal” by Russell K. Nieli. My own book “Affirmative Action Around the World” shows the same thing with different evidence.

In all these cases, and many others, liberals take positions that make them look good and feel good — and show very little interest in the actual consequences for others, even when liberal policies are leaving havoc in their wake.

...One of the most polarizing and counterproductive liberal crusades of the 20th century has been the decades-long busing crusade to send black children to predominantly white schools. The idea behind this goes back to the pronouncement by Chief Justice Earl Warren that “separate educational facilities are inherently unequal.”

Yet within walking distance of the Supreme Court where this pronouncement was made was an all-black high school that had scored higher than two-thirds of the city’s white high schools taking the same test — way back in 1899! But who cares about facts, when you are on a liberal crusade that makes you feel morally superior?

To challenge government-imposed racial segregation and discrimination is one thing. But to claim that blacks get a better education if they sit next to whites in school is something very different. And it is something that goes counter to the facts.

Many liberal ideas about race sound plausible, and it is understandable that these ideas might have been attractive 50 years ago. What is not understandable is how so many liberals can blindly ignore 50 years of evidence to the contrary since then.

The Xl
12-30-2013, 08:06 PM
Big government liberalism and conservatism is the primary reason for blacks currently having lower IQs, having less and lower paying jobs, higher crime rates, etc.

Let's end this big government selective racism so we can all live in peace as one generally equal people.

Germanicus
12-30-2013, 08:15 PM
Thomas Sowell is smart. He is the worlds premier anti-affirmative action crusader. He is important. More important than Clarrence Thomas.

edit- He is also trying to protect us all from the scourge of liberalism. He is awesome. I agree with him.

edit- and I agree that liberals are like robots. They have a script on what is right and wrong and they follow it like zombies.

They do not understand the people that they claim to be wanting to help and if their misdirected help is not appreciated then they get very offended and vile about it.

Conservatives like Sowell are right to expose these people that claim to have superior morality. They seek an intrinsic validation or something. Like they want to convince themselves that they are a good person. Its like ticking of an item on a shopping list or something for them. Slave morality.

And I agree with the liberal thinking being 50 years out of date. There is no need to fear being called a racist and it is time to stop putting up with the nazi-like nonsense of modern liberals. That does not mean that racist things should be tolerated but you dont need to be racist to expose a liberal. Affirmative action is reverse racism.

Captain Obvious
12-30-2013, 08:16 PM
Always put your money on the black guy.

Chris
12-30-2013, 08:27 PM
Big government liberalism and conservatism is the primary reason for blacks currently having lower IQs, having less and lower paying jobs, higher crime rates, etc.

Let's end this big government selective racism so we can all live in peace as one generally equal people.

In such a criticism as Sowell's conservatism is just a branch of liberalism.

Ravi
12-30-2013, 09:10 PM
I have affluent blacks living in my neighborhood. 20 years ago, this would have been unthinkable.

boo hoo hoo on the bigots.

Mister D
12-30-2013, 09:17 PM
I have affluent blacks living in my neighborhood. 20 years ago, this would have been unthinkable.

boo hoo hoo on the bigots.

What? A single family? :laugh: You've come so far!

I love it when white people brag about having blacks in their neighborhood.

Chris
12-30-2013, 09:20 PM
I have affluent blacks living in my neighborhood. 20 years ago, this would have been unthinkable.

boo hoo hoo on the bigots.


Does the "look good and feel good"?

Ravi
12-30-2013, 09:22 PM
What? A single family? :laugh: You've come so far!

I love it when white people brag about having blacks in their neighborhood.
No. Don't look now, but a black dude got elected president. Twice. Sad for you.

Ravi
12-30-2013, 09:22 PM
Does the "look good and feel good"?

English, please.

Mister D
12-30-2013, 09:28 PM
No. Don't look now, but a black dude got elected president. Twice. Sad for you.

Ravi got some coloreds in her hood! She must be so proud of herself. :laugh:

Ravi
12-30-2013, 09:29 PM
Ravi got some coloreds in her hood! She must be so proud of herself. :laugh:
Nah, I didn't have anything to do with it. They did it themselves.

Mister D
12-30-2013, 09:31 PM
Nah, I didn't have anything to do with it. They did it themselves.

Sure you did! You and Jillian set them free, remember?! :laugh: C'mon tell us all about the black folks...

Chris
12-30-2013, 09:35 PM
Nah, I didn't have anything to do with it. They did it themselves.



Good, you got Thomas Sowell's message in the OP. Despite liberal policies, blacks have done it themselves.

Mister D
12-30-2013, 09:38 PM
Good, you got Thomas Sowell's message in the OP. Despite liberal policies, blacks have done it themselves.

The Wash made the same point.

Chris
12-30-2013, 09:39 PM
The Wash made the same point.

Yep, wonder where he is.

Mister D
12-30-2013, 09:42 PM
Yep, wonder where he is.

Have to ask Code. I meant to earlier.

So does anyone disagree with Sowell?

Green Arrow
12-30-2013, 09:49 PM
I have affluent blacks living in my neighborhood. 20 years ago, this would have been unthinkable.

boo hoo hoo on the bigots.

Because everybody who wants to address the affect of your chosen party's politics on minority groups is a bigot :rollseyes:

Mister D
12-30-2013, 09:52 PM
Because everybody who wants to address the affect of your chosen party's politics on minority groups is a bigot :rollseyes:

I wonder what she disagrees with Sowell about? Could she be specific?

texan
12-30-2013, 10:25 PM
Dear Ravi,
Obama is doing a fine job dismantling his aca act himself. Let's hope the 2014 isn't as harmful for the country. In Theory everything looks and sounds good.

Cigar
12-30-2013, 10:28 PM
The Black Guy Won, Twice; time for you to get over it. :)

Chris
12-30-2013, 10:51 PM
The Black Guy Won, Twice; time for you to get over it. :)

So do you agree or disagree with the points Sowell made?

Cigar
12-30-2013, 10:59 PM
So do you agree or disagree with the points Sowell made?

I remember when Michael Steele use to tell White People what they want to hear. :)

I personally couldn't give a shit what Sowell has to say, so long as his followings keep losing Elections, I'm cool with it.

Chris
12-30-2013, 11:19 PM
I remember when Michael Steele use to tell White People what they want to hear. :)

I personally couldn't give a shit what Sowell has to say, so long as his followings keep losing Elections, I'm cool with it.


I didn't ask about Sowell...forget about it.

jillian
12-31-2013, 12:42 AM
I didn't ask about Sowell...forget about it.
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nope you didn't… just posted flame bait.

iustitia
12-31-2013, 02:28 AM
The "left" love hating blacks that leave the plantation.

But it's sad how pretentious and sanctimonious this faction of authoritarians in this country get by priding themselves on caring for colored people, women and gays while simultaneously assassinating the character and accomplishments of the ones that get away or think for themselves.

Democrats- your party was founded by a slave-owner and supporter who massacred Indians, your party waged wars to expand slavery on false pretenses, you used every level of government and every branch at your disposal to hunt down fugitive slaves and often re-enslaved freedmen based on lies, your party broke off of the country to keep blacks in bondage, your party deprived blacks civil rights for a full century, your party opposed three amendments to the Constitution protecting minority rights, your party created a terrorist organization to drive blacks from voting and out of office, your party opposed women voting until it was politically expedient to amend the Constitution, your party supported eugenics and to this day supports groups like Planned Parenthood that overwhelmingly target the poor and minorities and whose founder blatantly stated she wanted to wipe out the blacks, your party supported the corporate raping of Banana Republics in Latin America, your party repetitively lied -- from Wilson onward -- about supporting civil rights to trick blacks into voting Democrat, your party utilized concentration camps against Japanese-Americans in WWII and against ethnic European immigrants in WWI and WWII, your party dropped the fucking atomic bomb, your party turned a depression into the great depression and raped poor people for four presidential terms, your party told poor and struggling Americans to conserve *everything* through over a decade of depression and war and then magically pulled $148 billion out its ass to give to Europe, your party used economic assistance to lull poor and minorities onto a statist welfare plantation, your party wire-tapped Martin Luther King, your party destroyed minority families, your party throws the poor and minorities into jails and prisons for victimless crimes, your party has as its symbol of achievement a man accused of at the best abusing his authority over women and at the worst raping women, your party has supported more wars and drafts -- all based on misinformation -- that have sent poor and minority Americans off to death and disfigurement than any in our history, and your party doesn't give a flying motherfuck about the brown people we bomb the shit out of overseas now that your president is half black. And now that your half-black president that was raised by his white family is in charge, you ignore the legitimacy behind claims and evidence showing that your policies hurt the poor, women, minorities and everyone else.

You only give a shit about the downtrodden when one of your corporate scumbags is up for reelection, and then once in office those people just become statistics for your negligent asses to ignore. And that doesn't mean the Republican Party gives a shit about the collectively-shat-upon either. But they're seldom worse and you're never better. Cut the dogshit- nobody wants to hear about your manufactured successes for the weak, and nobody's waging a war on women, blacks, gays or immigrants except your condescending, statist faction of thugs. The human cost of your politics escapes you as does your very humanity.

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Chris
12-31-2013, 07:45 AM
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nope you didn't… just posted flame bait.

Hit home? Just because you don't like the facts presented, doesn't make it flame bait.

Green Arrow
12-31-2013, 07:53 AM
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nope you didn't… just posted flame bait.

How is it flame-bait?

jillian
12-31-2013, 07:54 AM
How is it flame-bait?

if you can't tell that the title is flame bait… then i can't help you

Green Arrow
12-31-2013, 07:57 AM
if you can't tell that the title is flame bait… then i can't help you

It's an article about how Democrat policies hurt blacks. I don't see the issue. But like I said, if you think it's flame-bait, report it. I'm sure there are several mods who might agree and we can shut it down for you.

Mainecoons
12-31-2013, 08:23 AM
What is not understandable is how so many liberals can blindly ignore 50 years of evidence to the contrary since then.

Perfectly understandable to me. Heck you see it right here. Liberals mainly spout emotionalism and are immune to factual information and learning from their mistakes.

The opposite extreme, the military and NSA loving neocons exhibit the same behavior.

patrickt
12-31-2013, 08:43 AM
I have affluent blacks living in my neighborhood. 20 years ago, this would have been unthinkable.

boo hoo hoo on the bigots.

Liberals are so proud of themselves for so little reason. Liberal bigots never cry. They think keeping blacks unemployed, in non-performing union schools, and in single-parent homes is all right and proper.

Liberals believe they should be judged on what they say, if at all, and never ever on what they do.

To quote from the column that I suspect liberals didn't read:
"There is no question that liberals do an impressive job of expressing concern for blacks. But do the intentions expressed in their words match the actual consequences of their deeds?"

"The black family survived centuries of slavery and generations of Jim Crow, but it has disintegrated in the wake of the liberals’ expansion of the welfare state. Most black children grew up in homes with two parents during all that time but most grow up with only one parent today."
Ah, the results of liberal compassion.

"In all these cases, and many others, liberals take positions that make them look good and feel good — and show very little interest in the actual consequences for others, even when liberal policies are leaving havoc in their wake."
Bingo. The man wins a teddy bear. As for the havoc, it's Bush's fault.

I know Thomas Sowell is a black man but really, even liberals can learn something if they read his columns. Well, maybe not but to hate him because he's black is called, oh, right, racism.

Mainecoons
12-31-2013, 09:12 AM
Ravi must be living in a hot bed of racists if it has been only 20 years since "affluent" blacks appeared in her neighborhood. I can top that by double.

So what? Why are those northern cities so full of caring liberals so incredibly segregated?

Chris
12-31-2013, 09:17 AM
Liberals are so proud of themselves for so little reason. Liberal bigots never cry. They think keeping blacks unemployed, in non-performing union schools, and in single-parent homes is all right and proper.

Liberals believe they should be judged on what they say, if at all, and never ever on what they do.

To quote from the column that I suspect liberals didn't read:
"There is no question that liberals do an impressive job of expressing concern for blacks. But do the intentions expressed in their words match the actual consequences of their deeds?"

"The black family survived centuries of slavery and generations of Jim Crow, but it has disintegrated in the wake of the liberals’ expansion of the welfare state. Most black children grew up in homes with two parents during all that time but most grow up with only one parent today."
Ah, the results of liberal compassion.

"In all these cases, and many others, liberals take positions that make them look good and feel good — and show very little interest in the actual consequences for others, even when liberal policies are leaving havoc in their wake."
Bingo. The man wins a teddy bear. As for the havoc, it's Bush's fault.

I know Thomas Sowell is a black man but really, even liberals can learn something if they read his columns. Well, maybe not but to hate him because he's black is called, oh, right, racism.



Liberals believe they should be judged on what they say, if at all, and never ever on what they do.

Meaning they expect to be judged by their intentions alone, outcomes and consequences be damned.

Chris
12-31-2013, 09:18 AM
Perfectly understandable to me. Heck you see it right here. Liberals mainly spout emotionalism and are immune to factual information and learning from their mistakes.

The opposite extreme, the military and NSA loving neocons exhibit the same behavior.


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Agree, liberalism knows no bounds, conservatism in many respects is a branch of liberalism, and suffers the same issues.

Cigar
12-31-2013, 10:11 AM
The "left" love hating blacks that leave the plantation.

But it's sad how pretentious and sanctimonious this faction of authoritarians in this country get by priding themselves on caring for colored people, women and gays while simultaneously assassinating the character and accomplishments of the ones that get away or think for themselves.

Democrats- your party was founded by a slave-owner and supporter who massacred Indians, your party waged wars to expand slavery on false pretenses, you used every level of government and every branch at your disposal to hunt down fugitive slaves and often re-enslaved freedmen based on lies, your party broke off of the country to keep blacks in bondage, your party deprived blacks civil rights for a full century, your party opposed three amendments to the Constitution protecting minority rights, your party created a terrorist organization to drive blacks from voting and out of office, your party opposed women voting until it was politically expedient to amend the Constitution, your party supported eugenics and to this day supports groups like Planned Parenthood that overwhelmingly target the poor and minorities and whose founder blatantly stated she wanted to wipe out the blacks, your party supported the corporate raping of Banana Republics in Latin America, your party repetitively lied -- from Wilson onward -- about supporting civil rights to trick blacks into voting Democrat, your party utilized concentration camps against Japanese-Americans in WWII and against ethnic European immigrants in WWI and WWII, your party dropped the fucking atomic bomb, your party turned a depression into the great depression and raped poor people for four presidential terms, your party told poor and struggling Americans to conserve *everything* through over a decade of depression and war and then magically pulled $148 billion out its ass to give to Europe, your party used economic assistance to lull poor and minorities onto a statist welfare plantation, your party wire-tapped Martin Luther King, your party destroyed minority families, your party throws the poor and minorities into jails and prisons for victimless crimes, your party has as its symbol of achievement a man accused of at the best abusing his authority over women and at the worst raping women, your party has supported more wars and drafts -- all based on misinformation -- that have sent poor and minority Americans off to death and disfigurement than any in our history, and your party doesn't give a flying motherfuck about the brown people we bomb the shit out of overseas now that your president is half black. And now that your half-black president that was raised by his white family is in charge, you ignore the legitimacy behind claims and evidence showing that your policies hurt the poor, women, minorities and everyone else.

You only give a shit about the downtrodden when one of your corporate scumbags is up for reelection, and then once in office those people just become statistics for your negligent asses to ignore. And that doesn't mean the Republican Party gives a shit about the collectively-shat-upon either. But they're seldom worse and you're never better. Cut the dogshit- nobody wants to hear about your manufactured successes for the weak, and nobody's waging a war on women, blacks, gays or immigrants except your condescending, statist faction of thugs. The human cost of your politics escapes you as does your very humanity.

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So ... why do you give a shit?

Chris
12-31-2013, 10:13 AM
So ... why do you give a shit?


IOW, cigar doesn't give a shit so why should you.

Yet cigar contradicts himself by continuing to post in this thread.

patrickt
12-31-2013, 04:36 PM
Ravi must be living in a hot bed of racists if it has been only 20 years since "affluent" blacks appeared in her neighborhood. I can top that by double.

So what? Why are those northern cities so full of caring liberals so incredibly segregated?

No. In many parts of the north they're still waiting.

As far as conservatives being a brank of liberalism, I don't buy it.

Chris
12-31-2013, 04:49 PM
No. In many parts of the north they're still waiting.

As far as conservatives being a brank of liberalism, I don't buy it.


Many conservative claim classical liberal roots. Liberalism branch in different directions. Hayek delineates a Scottish/English tradition that that was truly classical building on Greek and Roman tradition, and that led to the American revolution; and a French tradition that led to the French Revolution--world's apart.