Should I stay in this forum?

[nathanbforrest45]

I am wondering if I should stay here. Its not a bad forum but it seems to elevate the law breaker while silencing those that may disagree.

Oh well. I am pondering.

[Mr. Freeze]

The law breaker? What do you mean by this? Anarchism is the rule of Natural law.

[Captain Obvious]

Somebody needs a mydol.

[Chloe]

I am wondering if I should stay here. Its not a bad forum but it seems to elevate the law breaker while silencing those that may disagree.

Oh well. I am pondering.
nathanbforrest45 Im assuming you are talking about me since you got thread banned from my thread about me breaking the law? I don't think you should leave.

[fyrenza]

pssst! nathanbforrest45 ~ the Ignore feature is your friend!

[sotmfs]

I am wondering if I should stay here. Its not a bad forum but it seems to elevate the law breaker while silencing those that may disagree.

Oh well. I am pondering.

Who broke the law and who was silenced?

[sotmfs]

I am wondering if I should stay here. Its not a bad forum but it seems to elevate the law breaker while silencing those that may disagree.

Oh well. I am pondering.

Did you ever break the law?

[Calypso Jones]

Day. Jah. Vu.

[Captain Obvious]

Didn't take long for the vultures to swoop in.

[Mr. Freeze]

Are we allowed to ask why he was threadbanned now that Chloe brought it up?

[Peter1469]

Are we allowed to ask why he was threadbanned now that Chloe brought it up?

The member is typical notified of the reason. I can't find the report in the mod room, but it is pretty crowded in there. I would remind everyone that a TB is one of the most minor of mod actions. Hell I have been TBed, as have other mods. It really isn't a big deal. And Chloe has been TBed at least twice. :smiley: Usually for calling someone an asshole. :shocked:

[sachem]

I am wondering if I should stay here. Its not a bad forum but it seems to elevate the law breaker while silencing those that may disagree.

Oh well. I am pondering.Stop ya whining ya old coot.

[Fredy]

I am wondering if I should stay here. Its not a bad forum but it seems to elevate the law breaker while silencing those that may disagree.

Oh well. I am pondering.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1Y73sPHKxw

Oh, the drama!

Please, for the love of God, stay

:laugh:

[sachem]

The member is typical notified of the reason. I can't find the report in the mod room, but it is pretty crowded in there. I would remind everyone that a TB is one of the most minor of mod actions. Hell I have been TBed, as have other mods. It really isn't a big deal. And Chloe has been TBed at least twice. :smiley: Usually for calling someone an asshole. :shocked:No name calling? What kinda place is this.? :p

[fyrenza]

No shit, sachem ! What kind of Den of UN-Iniquity have we stumbled into, here?!?

[Agravan]

Don't leave. Your input is valued.

[Green Arrow]

The rules are fairly simple. Break them, and there are consequences. If you don't feel like you can abide by the rules or accept the consequences with grace, then maybe this isn't the place for you.

[oceanloverOH]

Moderators do not act unilaterally, and TB decisions are always consensus of two or more mods. I carried out the action, and I never threadban anyone without a PM explaining why s/he was threadbanned. Nathan is free to talk about his threadban and share the reasons given, he just cannot publicly challenge the decision, per Posting Rule#8.

P.S. Nathan, I have always enjoyed your posts. I for one would hate to see you leave over something as minor as a threadban.

[fyrenza]

Way to be a hard-ass about it, Green Arrow ~ sheesh.

[oceanloverOH]

Way to be a hard-ass about it, Green Arrow ~ sheesh.
fyrenza, I think you were joking (I can't always tell, LOL).....but let me tell you, Green Arrow is no hard ass....he has the softest heart of most of the men I know. Truly.

[fyrenza]

...
I would remind everyone that a TB is one of the most minor of mod actions. Hell I have been TBed, as have other mods. It really isn't a big deal.
...

Ah ... "Passion"

Well, if you're Thread Banned?

It was obviously a st00pid thread,

and, there are PLENTY more to post to, eh? (st00pid, and otherwise) http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee57/Fyrenza/Forum%20Stuff/kaos-crazybunny09_zps8513d1b8.gif (http://s235.photobucket.com/user/Fyrenza/media/Forum%20Stuff/kaos-crazybunny09_zps8513d1b8.gif.html)

[fyrenza]

@fyrenza (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=817), I think you were joking (I can't always tell, LOL).....but let me tell you, @Green Arrow (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=868) is no hard ass....he has the softest heart of most of the men I know. Truly.

I was actually serious ~ it came across as "Don't Like It? LUMP It On Down The Road."

Nothing against GA, at ALL ~ it was just ONE post/reply ~

but it "sounded" condescendingly authoritative.

On the other hand, as Peter pointed out, it's really no big deal ~

we all do seem to get riled up, at times, and that IS what The Rulez are for.

[Mr. Freeze]

Maybe just post sporadically, Nathan, like I do. Post anymore than that and you become attached and addicted to posting. Leave and come back and everyone and everything is new.

If not, namaste.

[texan]

Somebody needs a mydol.

I knew Captain Obvious would say this, I mean it was so obvious.

[sotmfs]

I am wondering if I should stay here. Its not a bad forum but it seems to elevate the law breaker while silencing those that may disagree.

Oh well. I am pondering.

If you are having fun here stay,if not leave.I hate to see you go .A forum where everyone agrees is not a forum.

[Polecat]

If you are having fun here stay,if not leave.I hate to see you go .A forum where everyone agrees is not a forum.

You find me a forum on any topic where everybody agrees and I will have to accuse you of witchery.

[Mr. Freeze]

I was actually serious ~ it came across as "Don't Like It? LUMP It On Down The Road."

Nothing against GA, at ALL ~ it was just ONE post/reply ~

but it "sounded" condescendingly authoritative.

On the other hand, as Peter pointed out, it's really no big deal ~

we all do seem to get riled up, at times, and that IS what The Rulez are for.

Perhaps that is just how he writes and does not equate to how he is. For example, and I do not mean this as a slap against you, you write like you're on an upper of some sort. It's strangely scripted and all over the board.

I'm sure in real life you're less sporadic and more warm. I would say this is also true of Green Arrow, who has been a good friend to my sister through her mourning period and now that she's become quite ill.

[countryboy]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMaE6toi4mk

[darroll]

I got into trouble on another site.
Someone asked if the UK could of defeated the Germans in ww11.
My answer was no.
The crap hit the fan.
They took 10 points from me.
Where do they get these people?
I think the Russians are right about the Americans being illiterate.
I'm still there for the laugh.

[Ransom]

Russians think Americans are illiterate?

[Max Rockatansky]

I got into trouble on another site.
Someone asked if the UK could of defeated the Germans in ww11.
My answer was no.
The crap hit the fan.
They took 10 points from me.
Where do they get these people?
I think the Russians are right about the Americans being illiterate.
I'm still there for the laugh.

One obscure incident on a minor, and I presume left-wing, website does not a nation make.

A better hypothesis is that Left-Wingers are ideologically blind.

oh yeah, fuck the Russians. They let themselves be run by Socialist Totalitarian thugs for three-quarters of a century and were too spineless to fight back. I don't give a Tinker's-dam what they think about American's.

[Ransom]

I am wondering if I should stay here. Its not a bad forum but it seems to elevate the law breaker while silencing those that may disagree.

Oh well. I am pondering.

You're not going to learn anything, but the sheer state of cluelessness you see displayed in here is entertaining. Stick around, have fun.

[Mainecoons]

Yes, stick around!

[sotmfs]

That is your problem Nathan,you are an indecisive procrastinator!!!LOL!

[McCool]

Russians think Americans are illiterate? My wife is Russian, and she thinks most Americans are idiots. I don't know what she thinks about us being illiterate, though.

[sotmfs]

My wife is Russian, and she thinks most Americans are idiots. I don't know what she thinks about us being illiterate, though.

Does she think you are a typical American?Just asking.
LOL!

[Captain Obvious]

zing

[Max Rockatansky]

My wife is Russian, and she thinks most Americans are idiots. I don't know what she thinks about us being illiterate, though.

Yet she moved to the US and married an American. Go figure. http://boards.buffalobills.com/images/smilies/flag.gif

I've known several immigrants to the US. They run the gamut of normal human behavior. Most are just happy to be here. Some are frustrated. Fewer just like to bitch. What I find most odd, and sometimes annoying, are those who complain about how much America sucks. Really? Three guesses on my usual response to this type of comment.

[Mr Happy]

I hate "Beg Me To Stay" threads.

Either stay or go, just don't whine about it...

[Captain Obvious]

What about "beg you to leave" threads?

[Max Rockatansky]

What about "beg you to leave" threads?

I'd be willing to stay on topic for those threads.

[Codename Section]

I am wondering if I should stay here. Its not a bad forum but it seems to elevate the law breaker while silencing those that may disagree.

Oh well. I am pondering.
@nathanbforrest45 (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=891)

I'm a mod and I've been threadbanned. I wouldn't worry too much about it, and I say this as a poster, not a mod. I've had potshots at me, I have people putting me in their signatures, I've been called out several times, called stupid, etc.

I give no fucks. Other people don't rent space in my head.

This forum is fun, but when it stops being fun then it's time to move on. So my advice is to have fun with it and not take things too hard.

[The Xl]

The only thing that should matter is whether you want to stay or go.

[Green Arrow]

I was actually serious ~ it came across as "Don't Like It? LUMP It On Down The Road."

Nothing against GA, at ALL ~ it was just ONE post/reply ~

but it "sounded" condescendingly authoritative.

On the other hand, as Peter pointed out, it's really no big deal ~

we all do seem to get riled up, at times, and that IS what The Rulez are for.

I'm just telling it like it is, fyrenza. I'm blunt. If you don't feel like this is the place for you, why stay?

[fyrenza]

Oh, I get what you're saying;

in fact, pretty much everyone "gets" that about forums ~

we were all somewhere before we came here, eh? http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee57/Fyrenza/Forum%20Stuff/kaos-crazybunny09_zps8513d1b8.gif (http://s235.photobucket.com/user/Fyrenza/media/Forum%20Stuff/kaos-crazybunny09_zps8513d1b8.gif.html)

[Codename Section]

No, actually. I only started posting on forums this last year and very very soon that will come to an end. The moment April in all its springish glory gets here I will be outside training like a mutherfucker.

[Cthulhu]

I hate "Beg Me To Stay" threads.

Either stay or go, just don't whine about it...


What about "beg you to leave" threads?

I approve, you may advance within ten paces of the emperor.

[Cthulhu]

No, actually. I only started posting on forums this last year and very very soon that will come to an end. The moment April in all its springish glory gets here I will be outside training like a mutherfucker.

Sad to see you go. Although I cannot dispute the reasoning behind it. The out doors have their charms for sure.

[Codename Section]

Sad to see you go. Although I cannot dispute the reasoning behind it. The out doors have their charms for sure.

I'm doing an adventure race :)

[Dr. Who]

I'm doing an adventure race :)

How long will you be gone?

[Peter1469]

I'm doing an adventure race :)

When is the race? You should come up to DC and run from Reagan National Airport to Roosevelt Island across into DC and around the Mall.

[Ransom]

When is the race? You should come up to DC and run from Reagan National Airport to Roosevelt Island across into DC and around the Mall.

That's only an adventure race if you're in a car

[Peter1469]

That's only an adventure race if you're in a car

Or training for a long race....

[Max Rockatansky]

When is the race? You should come up to DC and run from Reagan National Airport to Roosevelt Island across into DC and around the Mall.

For about 10 years I'd go to a convention in DC around July-August and jog 4-5 miles around the monuments. For the first few years we stayed at the Hyatt-Regency Capital Hill, but later years at the Capital Hilton. It was on one of those jogs that I found the George Mason memorial and, on another jog, the dilapidated WWI memorial (DC War Memorial) hidden back in the trees.

http://www.studentnewsnet.com/WWI/wwigrfx/WWI mem shade.JPG

[Peter1469]

For about 10 years I'd go to a convention in DC around July-August and jog 4-5 miles around the monuments. For the first few years we stayed at the Hyatt-Regency Capital Hill, but later years at the Capital Hilton. It was on one of those jogs that I found the George Mason memorial and, on another jog, the dilapidated WWI memorial (DC War Memorial) hidden back in the trees.



They finally got funding to fix up the WWI memorial. It is a DC memorial, not federal, and they had to raise private funds. The cool thing about running the memorials is the metro- if you decide to cut your run short. Or if you stray into a bar, or two.

[Max Rockatansky]

A good plan, but I blanched at the sight of D.C. bar prices. Dinner was expensive enough!

Still, it was a joy to see all of the memorials. Even better when it was still relatively cool and not many people are around. This is the view of the Lincoln Memorial at dawn 25JUL06

Those men on the steps grouped together in black t-shirts were Marines running their morning PT.

http://imageshack.com/a/img7/597/46y8.jpg
http://imageshack.com/a/img577/5643/1s0g.jpg

[Mr. Freeze]

DC has great bars. Tons of high end bars, but I still like to get grungy and hit U.

[Peter1469]

DC has great bars. Tons of high end bars, but I still like to get grungy and hit U.U Street? I haven't been there for 10 years!

[Green Arrow]

I've always liked going to D.C. JFK and RFK's graves at Arlington are like a shrine to me. Every time I go to D.C., I stop in Arlington first to visit their graves and pay my respects, as well as all the soldier graves and the Tomb of the Unknown. After that, I go to the various memorials. I skip Lincoln and Washington, but I go to MLK, Jefferson, Theodore Roosevelt, and all the war memorials.

[Max Rockatansky]

I've always liked going to D.C. JFK and RFK's graves at Arlington are like a shrine to me. Every time I go to D.C., I stop in Arlington first to visit their graves and pay my respects, as well as all the soldier graves and the Tomb of the Unknown. After that, I go to the various memorials. I skip Lincoln and Washington, but I go to MLK, Jefferson, Theodore Roosevelt, and all the war memorials.

Why do you skip the Lincoln? I jogged around the Washington, but didn't go up it (I did once in 1979). The MLK wasn't there the last time I was there, but the WWII was new as well as the Korean War memorial and the fairly new FDR memorial. My favorite is the Jefferson Memorial with the little known George Mason memorial being another favorite.

[Green Arrow]

Why do you skip the Lincoln? I jogged around the Washington, but didn't go up it (I did once in 1979). The MLK wasn't there the last time I was there, but the WWII was new as well as the Korean War memorial and the fairly new FDR memorial. My favorite is the Jefferson Memorial with the little known George Mason memorial being another favorite.

I'm not a Lincoln fan. He was a tyrant and a racist and I don't care to support that.

[fyrenza]

I'm not a Lincoln fan. He was a tyrant and a racist and I don't care to support that.

By honoring your country's history?

Cripes.

Well, too bad EVERYONE can't just ignore the parts of their country's history that they can't <cough> "agree" with ...


Here's the thing :

EVERYTHING that went before lead us/US to where we went/are going,

so trying to deny what you consider the "bad" parts is just denying that you SAW the things that were/went wrong,

and we NEED to look at the mistakes, in order to NOT make them, again.

You're posting up Idealism, and trying to portray it as opinion,
but that's the major malfunction OF Idealism ~
it isn't based upon any facts;
it's ONLY based upon what each/any of us thinks would be "right."

[Mr. Freeze]

Why should someone honor a tyrant? I'm with Lysander Spooner on his evaluation of Lincoln. Spooner was a long time abolitionist and unionist and his "street cred" on humanitarian principles is unparalleled. Lincoln, not so much.

[Green Arrow]

By honoring your country's history?

Cripes.

Well, too bad EVERYONE can't just ignore the parts of their country's history that they can't <cough> "agree" with ...


Here's the thing :

EVERYTHING that went before lead us/US to where we went/are going,

so trying to deny what you consider the "bad" parts is just denying that you SAW the things that were/went wrong,

and we NEED to look at the mistakes, in order to NOT make them, again.

You're posting up Idealism, and trying to portray it as opinion,
but that's the major malfunction OF Idealism ~
it isn't based upon any facts;
it's ONLY based upon what each/any of us thinks would be "right."

Who said I ignore it? Choosing not to honor Lincoln by visiting his memorial is not "ignoring" history. I still study Lincoln and his affect on American history, as well as his writings. But visiting his memorial, to me, is paying homage and respect to the person or thing the memorial is built for, and I will not do anything that could be remotely construed as honoring or respecting Lincoln.

You can dislike that all you want, but that is what I believe and that is what I will continue to do.

[Max Rockatansky]

I'm not a Lincoln fan. He was a tyrant and a racist and I don't care to support that.

Jefferson was a slave owner and a traitor to his king. By inference, you care to support that. :D

[fyrenza]

Who said I ignore it? Choosing not to honor Lincoln by visiting his memorial is not "ignoring" history. I still study Lincoln and his affect on American history, as well as his writings. But visiting his memorial, to me, is paying homage and respect to the person or thing the memorial is built for, and I will not do anything that could be remotely construed as honoring or respecting Lincoln.

You can dislike that all you want, but that is what I believe and that is what I will continue to do.

And for all that we've been "brain-washed" into believing that INclusion was something to be valued ...

Your needing to state your EXclusion of something as simple as just looking at your surroundings,
perhaps really thinking about what they could have portended,

and the ART of the monuments,

and the MOMENTS that you had, to actually see them.

^That^ says a LOT about you ...

[Mr. Freeze]

Jefferson was a slave owner and a traitor to his king. By inference, you care to support that. :D

Lysander Spooner planned on kidnapping the governor of Virginia to end slavery. That's commitment that you see from none of the other abolitionists.

[Mister D]

Lysander Spooner planned on kidnapping the governor of Virginia to end slavery. That's commitment that you see from none of the other abolitionists.

Well, brown was pretty committed.

[Captain Obvious]

Whine into water?

[fyrenza]

It's amazing to me :

What we'd call "bullshit" on, or down as some insane/terrorist plot,

was what folks were reduced to, for THEIR times ...

They saw something coming,
and they did their best to alert others,

but they were reduced to having to think of TERRORIST thangs to try to get folk's attention.

History is ripe with our human feelings of trying to live, and actually DO,

not just for ourselves,

but for everyone.

What's horrifying is that that's how we got here ~
with everyone trying to "alert" everyone else,
but putting spin, and idealism, and HOPEy/CHANGEy on it all ...

[fyrenza]

Whine into water?

http://dailypicksandflicks.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/jesus-was-here-wine-on-water-aisle.jpg

[Green Arrow]

Jefferson was a slave owner and a traitor to his king. By inference, you care to support that. :D

Jefferson was also an abolitionist and I'm an anarchist, so I wear "treason" to unjust rulers with a badge of honor. So yeah, I care to support that.

[Green Arrow]

And for all that we've been "brain-washed" into believing that INclusion was something to be valued ...

Your needing to state your EXclusion of something as simple as just looking at your surroundings,
perhaps really thinking about what they could have portended,

and the ART of the monuments,

and the MOMENTS that you had, to actually see them.

^That^ says a LOT about you ...

That's nice.

[Mr. Freeze]

Jefferson was a slave owner and a traitor to his king. By inference, you care to support that. :D

Bill Clinton was a philanderer and a prevaricator. He was also an excellent economist. Dr. King cheated on his wife, but brought fruit to the Civil Rights movement. Gandhi was most likely a homosexual and he also (in the beginning) cheated on his wife, but gave birth to a free India.

Jefferson is an imperfect man who did good and bad things. You may agree with his good things, and not wish to emulate the bad.

However, you bring up an interesting point about your generation and that is that you lack the ability to see ambiguity or think outside a binary paradigm. Obviously, to you Green Arrow must want to be a slaver and promotes treason because why? He likes the Declaration of Independence and finds truth in his writings.

Our generation seems to accept that there is ambiguity in humans, so you must prepare for that and let logic, not emotion be your guide.

[fyrenza]

That's nice.

And ^that^ tells The Rest Of The Story.

???

[fyrenza]

Bill Clinton was a philanderer and a prevaricator. He was also an excellent economist. Dr. King cheated on his wife, but brought fruit to the Civil Rights movement. Gandhi was most likely a homosexual and he also (in the beginning) cheated on his wife, but gave birth to a free India.

Jefferson is an imperfect man who did good and bad things. You may agree with his good things, and not wish to emulate the bad.

However, you bring up an interesting point about your generation and that is that you lack the ability to see ambiguity or think outside a binary paradigm. Obviously, to you @Green Arrow (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=868) must want to be a slaver and promotes treason because why? He likes the Declaration of Independence and finds truth in his writings.

Our generation seems to accept that there is ambiguity in humans, so you must prepare for that and let logic, not emotion be your guide.

Since Kennedy, I've really had to fall back and regroup over my ... "right" to judge others,

based upon their private actions/lifestyles.

We aren't all the same,

but we ALL do embarrassing/illegal/immoral things,

and part of me WANTS to believe that it IS "The Words" that count,

and the sentiment, and basic TRUTH behind them,

and it doesn't MATTER where it comes from,

as long as we recognize His voice when we hear it.

[Mr. Freeze]

I don't like blue cheese and I pick it out of my salad. I don't throw the whole salad out because that is wasteful.

[fyrenza]

Oh, yeah.

AND, just in case no one ever noticed,

people are PERV's ~

we seem to really ENJOY sex,

and we are NOT "above" scamming it off of others.

<cough!> That THEY might "enjoy," also!

[fyrenza]

I don't like blue cheese and I pick it out of my salad. I don't throw the whole salad out because that is wasteful.

Just make it out of what YOU want ~

fuck everyone if they don't "think" bacon and tomatoes, smothered in Ranch, is "SALAD." pfffttt!

[nathanbforrest45]

Just make it out of what YOU want ~

fuck everyone if they don't "think" bacon and tomatoes, smothered in Ranch, is "SALAD." pfffttt!




WHERE ARE THE CUCUMBERS? WHAT ABOUT THE RADISHES? YOU CAN'T BE AN AMERICAN BECAUSE YOU DON'T EAT THE SAME SALAD AS ME!!

My apologies to Mick Jagger

[Cigar]

I am wondering if I should stay here. Its not a bad forum but it seems to elevate the law breaker while silencing those that may disagree.

Oh well. I am pondering.

Welcome to the real world

[Fredy]

Jefferson was also an abolitionist and I'm an anarchist, so I wear "treason" to unjust rulers with a badge of honor. So yeah, I care to support that.

That's nice.

[Captain Obvious]

http://static.fjcdn.com/pictures/Strange+thread.+Buzz+Lightyear_ca39f5_3451623.jpg

[Max Rockatansky]

Including the person posting that picture! :p

[Max Rockatansky]

Jefferson was also an abolitionist and I'm an anarchist, so I wear "treason" to unjust rulers with a badge of honor. So yeah, I care to support that.

Yeah, I think the "Yes, I own slaves, but I only do it because it keeps me rich, not because I believe in it" argument works only for idiots.

Sorry, man, as much as I often agree with you and as much as I respect Jefferson's ideals, I will continue to disagree with your bias against Lincoln while favoring Jefferson argument. Both were flawed men, but both did what they thought was best for the nation. Yeah, even Hitler did that, but the difference between Hitler and both Jefferson and Lincoln is that the latter two were both sane and correct. Being right counts for a lot in my book. Being wrong, not so much. Yes, I respect good intentions, but even Hitler had good intentions so fuck that perspective.

[The Wash]

Yeah, I think the "Yes, I own slaves, but I only do it because it keeps me rich, not because I believe in it" argument works only for idiots.

Sorry, man, as much as I often agree with you and as much as I respect Jefferson's ideals, I will continue to disagree with your bias against Lincoln while favoring Jefferson argument. Both were flawed men, but both did what they thought was best for the nation. Yeah, even Hitler did that, but the difference between Hitler and both Jefferson and Lincoln is that the latter two were both sane and correct. Being right counts for a lot in my book. Being wrong, not so much. Yes, I respect good intentions, but even Hitler had good intentions so fuck that perspective.


They're both dead. You don't have to live with what they're doing in this moment, so you can take the good and leave the bad. People get too wrapped up in old dead people and don't concentrate on what those living breathing mutherfuckers are doing now.

[Cthulhu]

They're both dead. You don't have to live with what they're doing in this moment, so you can take the good and leave the bad. People get too wrapped up in old dead people and don't concentrate on what those living breathing mutherfuckers are doing now.

Agreed. The whole point of history is to learn from it. The idea that we have to toss everything good from historical figures because they did something bad is idiotic at best.

[Max Rockatansky]

They're both dead. You don't have to live with what they're doing in this moment, so you can take the good and leave the bad. People get too wrapped up in old dead people and don't concentrate on what those living breathing mutherfuckers are doing now.

Agreed 100%. OTOH, as this thread points out (http://thepoliticalforums.com/threads/20986-Another-myth-about-Medieval-life-bites-the-dust), isn't there something to be learned from the past?

[undine]

Jefferson was also an abolitionist and I'm an anarchist, so I wear "treason" to unjust rulers with a badge of honor. So yeah, I care to support that.
How was Jefferson an abolitionist? He owned slaves. He didn't free the vast majority of them, even via his will.

I've heard some funny things, but Jefferson being an abolitionist takes the cake.

[Green Arrow]

Yeah, I think the "Yes, I own slaves, but I only do it because it keeps me rich, not because I believe in it" argument works only for idiots.

Sorry, man, as much as I often agree with you and as much as I respect Jefferson's ideals, I will continue to disagree with your bias against Lincoln while favoring Jefferson argument. Both were flawed men, but both did what they thought was best for the nation. Yeah, even Hitler did that, but the difference between Hitler and both Jefferson and Lincoln is that the latter two were both sane and correct. Being right counts for a lot in my book. Being wrong, not so much. Yes, I respect good intentions, but even Hitler had good intentions so fuck that perspective.


How was Jefferson an abolitionist? He owned slaves. He didn't free the vast majority of them, even via his will.

I've heard some funny things, but Jefferson being an abolitionist takes the cake.

I'm currently traveling on a Greyhound bus, but as soon as I land in my final destination, I'll break out some sources. But he spent his whole life fighting in the Virginia legislature and then with the U.S. Congress to end slavery.

[Max Rockatansky]

I'm currently traveling on a Greyhound bus, but as soon as I land in my final destination, I'll break out some sources. But he spent his whole life fighting in the Virginia legislature and then with the U.S. Congress to end slavery.

While owning slaves. Not to mention fucking them and having children slaves.

Look, I get the idea that people I admire, such as Jefferson, were men of their times. What I'm trying to point out to you is that you are silly for believing Lincoln was an asshole but Jefferson was not based on your 21st Century 20something ideal about "truth"

[Mr. Freeze]

Did Jefferson cause the death of 750,000 Americans?

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/03/science/civil-war-toll-up-by-20-percent-in-new-estimate.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

No.

In spite of being a slave owner, he also banned in the US the TAST and prevented slavery from moving west and probably saved tens of thousands of lives in spite of his own frailty and hypocrisy.

So, yes, you can still think that Lincoln was an asshole since he was directly responsible for the death of 3/4 of a million people and the destruction of the federalist system, but I refuse to tell anyone who they can hate. Feel free to hate both men. I won't try to stop you.

[Max Rockatansky]

Did Jefferson cause the death of 750,000 Americans?


No. Did the First Congress who allowed slavery to exist in the US cause those deaths?

[Mr. Freeze]

No. Did the First Congress who allowed slavery to exist in the US cause those deaths?

No, because Lincoln didn't go to war over slavery. He went to war for more practical financial reasons.

If you're asking about the Continental Congress where a much younger, more idealistic Jefferson tried to have all slavery abolished in the new nation but was outright rejected, then I would guess it also killed about 45-48K slaves based on the 20 year and loss of slaves traveling back and forth.

I do understand that you're attempting to make it seem as if Jefferson's inaction caused the American Civil War but given that Lincoln himself said it was not over slavery, then we can talk the actual numbers of death by war versus death on TAST travel. But is that the point? Really?

I've said you can hate both, hate one, or hate none. It's your business. The argument you made is a fairly weak one, that you must hate Jefferson to hate Lincoln, because slavery and mass death are two different moral conundrums and I don't know which Green Arrow places more ill feelings on, slavery or death.

I hold the feeling that both men were weak, but so am I. So is the next person. This is why the rule of man is so tempestuous and frightening because even good men do incredibly bad things when they are given the power over another man's life and existence.

[Kalkin]

I'm wondering if I should stay at this forum as well. I like it so far, but the same poison is here that allowed me to be banned for a month at my main hang, for total BS reasons. I have to believe that the same thing will eventually happen here. Liberalism is a disease.

[Max Rockatansky]

No, because Lincoln didn't go to war over slavery. He went to war for more practical financial reasons.

Practical reasons, yes. Financial reasons, no. Sorry, but this isn't Russia, comrade. Americans are different. Once you assimilate that will become clearer.

[Ransom]

Did Jefferson cause the death of 750,000 Americans?

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/03/science/civil-war-toll-up-by-20-percent-in-new-estimate.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

No.

In spite of being a slave owner, he also banned in the US the TAST and prevented slavery from moving west and probably saved tens of thousands of lives in spite of his own frailty and hypocrisy.

So, yes, you can still think that Lincoln was an asshole since he was directly responsible for the death of 3/4 of a million people and the destruction of the federalist system, but I refuse to tell anyone who they can hate. Feel free to hate both men. I won't try to stop you.

Did not Jefferson open the American West thus beginning the removal of an entire half continent of Indians? The book......yeah, the one with the unbroken binding all covered on dust. That's called a US history book. Read it.

[Mr. Freeze]

Practical reasons, yes. Financial reasons, no. Sorry, but this isn't Russia, comrade. Americans are different. Once you assimilate that will become clearer.

You realize that the moment you need to pull the "...but this isn't Russia, comrade" ad hom it shows that you're both angry and lost all semblance of an argument. Why don't you just tell me "you took my jerb!" while you're at it?

Do yourself and this forum a favor and look up the Morrill Tariff and read some of Lincoln's campaign speeches before you attempt to make the argument that finances were not involved. It will elevate your knowledge base and assist in the education of others on this forum beyond the childish foot stomping you're resorting to now.

Do svidaniya! :cool2:

[Mr. Freeze]

Did not Jefferson open the American West thus beginning the removal of an entire half continent of Indians? The book......yeah, the one with the unbroken binding all covered on dust. That's called a US history book. Read it.

Yes, he sent in troops to the West. And nooklear bombs. I think he also invented plastic bags and destroyed the ocean too.

Or, maybe that was Jackson who began the Indian Wars, but maybe my text book was wrong.

[Ransom]

Think the preservation of the union influenced Lincoln? At all?

[Fredy]

You realize that the moment you need to pull the "...but this isn't Russia, comrade" ad hom it shows that you're both angry and lost all semblance of an argument. Why don't you just tell me "you took my jerb!" while you're at it?

Do yourself and this forum a favor and look up the Morrill Tariff and read some of Lincoln's campaign speeches before you attempt to make the argument that finances were not involved. It will elevate your knowledge base and assist in the education of others on this forum beyond the childish foot stomping you're resorting to now.

Do svidaniya! :cool2:

You realize the moment you pulled the "you're angry and lost all semblance of an argument" that you lost the argument, right?

Izvinitye

[Captain Obvious]

I'm wondering if I should stay at this forum as well. I like it so far, but the same poison is here that allowed me to be banned for a month at my main hang, for total BS reasons. I have to believe that the same thing will eventually happen here. Liberalism is a disease.

Sounds like you'd be more comfortable in an echo chamber.

[Mr. Freeze]

You realize the moment you pulled the "you're angry and lost all semblance of an argument" that you lost the argument, right?

Izvinitye

Road Warrior has skin in this game. You should try it sometime, or you and undine can continue with the cowardly routine of unsubstantiated opinions about people versus presenting ideas.

otvyazhis

[The Wash]

I pretty much think both Jefferson and Lincoln were just crusty old white dudes who talked a lot about principles that they did jack shit about. That's my opinion and history bears me out.

I don't think it's necessary however to bring people's nationalities into discussion or race or sex. If you're saying that immigrants who became US citizens have less of a right to free speech than anyone else or that they should stfu because they were born somewhere else then I got a problem with you because that shit aint cool.

[Ransom]

Yes, he sent in troops to the West. And nooklear bombs. I think he also invented plastic bags and destroyed the ocean too.

Or, maybe that was Jackson who began the Indian Wars, but maybe my text book was wrong.

Jefferson initiated Indian policy....I did a flyover didn't I, Freeze?

[Fredy]

Road Warrior has skin in this game. You should try it sometime, or you and undine can continue with the cowardly routine of unsubstantiated opinions about people versus presenting ideas.

otvyazhis


Yes, it's of paramount importance to have *skin in the game*.

Otherwise, how could one win the internets?

:laugh:

[Ransom]

I pretty much think both Jefferson and Lincoln were just crusty old white dudes who talked a lot about principles that they did jack shit about. That's my opinion and history bears me out.

I don't think it's necessary however to bring people's nationalities into discussion or race or sex. If you're saying that immigrants who became US citizens have less of a right to free speech than anyone else or that they should stfu because they were born somewhere else then I got a problem with you because that shit aint cool.

History skunks you out, closest it gets to bear where that opinion is concerned you'll have to look to its droppings.

Freeze....get finished with that history book, lend it to Wash......I mean......dam.

[Max Rockatansky]

You realize that the moment you need to pull the "...but this isn't Russia, comrade" ad hom it shows that you're both angry and lost all semblance of an argument. Why don't you just tell me "you took my jerb!" while you're at it?

No, it doesn't. If facts scare you, then I have some very bad news for you tovarich.

While many Americans forget they come from a nation of immigrants, I do not. My heritage goes back a couple centuries, but is certainly not pure. Dutch, English and German make up the most part, but there are certainly a lot of smaller parts in my family tree. The bottom line is that I am an AMERICAN. That's not a race. It isn't even a culture. It's an IDEA. Not everyone get's it. Some just live here.

[Max Rockatansky]

Yes, it's of paramount importance to have *skin in the game*.

Otherwise, how could one win the internets?

:laugh:

Nice snark, but Mr. Freeze is correct. Aren't you tired of politicians who pass laws and do things without any "skin in the game"?

Wouldn't it be better if our leaders had more "skin in the game"? Such as losing money if they backed the wrong legislation?

[Max Rockatansky]

I pretty much think both Jefferson and Lincoln were just crusty old white dudes who talked a lot about principles that they did jack shit about. That's my opinion and history bears me out.

I don't think it's necessary however to bring people's nationalities into discussion or race or sex. If you're saying that immigrants who became US citizens have less of a right to free speech than anyone else or that they should stfu because they were born somewhere else then I got a problem with you because that shit aint cool.

While the angry black man persona may make you happy, what do you think it will get you?

Do you want people to fight you or do you want people to agree with you? If the latter, then you are doing it wrong, sir.
The Wash

[Mr. Freeze]

Yes, it's of paramount importance to have *skin in the game*.

Otherwise, how could one win the internets?

:laugh:

It is not about winning. It is about having a conversation and improving. Road Warrior makes me quicker, smarter, and more well-rounded. No one learns anything in an echo chamber.

[Mr. Freeze]

Ransom

sorry we're playing COD

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Indian_Wars

Jefferson wrote letters and bought territory, but he did not "war" with the Indians. As I said, that came after.

[Mr. Freeze]

btw, I apologize for using Wiki but we're playing our friends in the UK right now and this game is of cereal importance. :D

[Kalkin]

Sounds like you'd be more comfortable in an echo chamber.
Not really. I like contrasting opinions. What I don't like is when the moderation is totally in the can for one side of the ideological spectrum. Let me give you a few examples from my previous home: two days ago I was handed a two week ban because someone posted a pic of women who were in marine boot-camp and I replied "at least they don't have to worry about sexual assault". The pics were kinda homely, so yeah, I can be a bit crass. They told me it was "sexist comment" and a "rape joke". A few weeks back, someone started a thread about Obama going to Dallas. I replied "will his motorcade be winding through town? I hope it's televised". They told me that was a threat to the president's life and banned me. The same person who admins there is high up the ladder here. Someone I actually considered as a friend at one point. Right now, the staff seems well balanced here, but it did there a few months back as well. Watch and see.

[Fredy]

Nice snark, but Mr. Freeze is correct. Aren't you tired of politicians who pass laws and do things without any "skin in the game"?

Wouldn't it be better if our leaders had more "skin in the game"? Such as losing money if they backed the wrong legislation?

Gospodin Freeze was referring to this board, not legislatures.

They have skin in the game; it's called an *election*.

Who gets to decide it's the *wrong* legislation? You?

[Fredy]

It is not about winning. It is about having a conversation and improving. Road Warrior makes me quicker, smarter, and more well-rounded. No one learns anything in an echo chamber.

I'm sure he does.

[Mr. Freeze]

I'm sure he does.

He does. Jillian does. Mr. Happy does. Ethereal does. Pretty much all the smart people on here who are willing to stick their neck out with an opinion does. You and undine not so much.

Why do you post on a political forum if you don't intend to talk about politics?

Humans communicate, even argue, for a reason. If that reason is to learn something, become something better for the journey then its worth that time you take out of your day to dialogue with others. If your only goal is to amuse yourself by distracting others and insulting then why should any of us talk to you?

[Dr. Who]

Not really. I like contrasting opinions. What I don't like is when the moderation is totally in the can for one side of the ideological spectrum. Let me give you a few examples from my previous home: two days ago I was handed a two week ban because someone posted a pic of women who were in marine boot-camp and I replied "at least they don't have to worry about sexual assault". The pics were kinda homely, so yeah, I can be a bit crass. They told me it was "sexist comment" and a "rape joke". A few weeks back, someone started a thread about Obama going to Dallas. I replied "will his motorcade be winding through town? I hope it's televised". They told me that was a threat to the president's life and banned me. The same person who admins there is high up the ladder here. Someone I actually considered as a friend at one point. Right now, the staff seems well balanced here, but it did there a few months back as well. Watch and see.
Unless we have a major change in mod staff, it should stay the way it is now. We don't get too bent out of shape unless someone is being personally attacked, the comment violates the rules - see the rules, or it becomes a pattern of posting in bad faith or someone is advocating unlawful activity or advocating insurrection, terrorism or killing someone. Oh and we don't like porn. Don't name call, flame bait or any of the other things noted above and we don't ban. We thread ban for behavior, but perma ban is not something that we undertake lightly.

[Mr. Freeze]

Can you describe "bad faith" posting on a political forum Dr. Who? I'm not speaking of a particular mod action, but clarifying rules.

[Fredy]

He does. Jillian does. Mr. Happy does. Ethereal does. Pretty much all the smart people on here who are willing to stick their neck out with an opinion does. You and undine not so much.

Why do you post on a political forum if you don't intend to talk about politics?

Humans communicate, even argue, for a reason. If that reason is to learn something, become something better for the journey then its worth that time you take out of your day to dialogue with others. If your only goal is to amuse yourself by distracting others and insulting then why should any of us talk to you?

I give up. Why are you talking to me?

[Kalkin]

Unless we have a major change in mod staff, it should stay the way it is now. We don't get too bent out of shape unless someone is being personally attacked, the comment violates the rules - see the rules, or it becomes a pattern of posting in bad faith or someone is advocating unlawful activity or advocating insurrection, terrorism or killing someone. Oh and we don't like porn. Don't name call, flame bait or any of the other things noted above and we don't ban. We thread ban for behavior, but perma ban is not something that we undertake lightly.
Would I have been dinged for either of the examples I provided? If so, my sense of humor will not be appreciated here.

[Mr. Freeze]

I give up. Why are you talking to me?

I won't be after this.

[Dr. Who]

Can you describe "bad faith" posting on a political forum @Dr. Who (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=612)? I'm not speaking of a particular mod action, but clarifying rules.
Bad faith in it's purest sense is posting something that you know isn't really true just to irritate someone else. Generally however it is considered to be bad faith to make personal attacks on people and call them names rather than address their argument or ascribe things to that person that are completely without foundation. If you tell someone that their opinion is full of s**t, simply because they are of a certain political affiliation, this doesn't address their argument, it is just a personal attack. While we carve out flame baiting on it's own, it is really a bad faith post. Posting something to the effect that all _________ are idiots and need help tying their own shoelaces, is flame baiting and it's in bad faith. Posting something controversial is not bad faith, but adding a derisive comment about the politics of the subject matter if it is a person or the political source could be bad faith. In general bad faith is rather childish behavior - something better suited to the school yard than a message board.

[Green Arrow]

While owning slaves. Not to mention fucking them and having children slaves.

Look, I get the idea that people I admire, such as Jefferson, were men of their times. What I'm trying to point out to you is that you are silly for believing Lincoln was an asshole but Jefferson was not based on your 21st Century 20something ideal about "truth"

I take back what I said earlier. Lose the attitude if you wish to have a discussion with me. I didn't put up with snide, unnecessary rudeness on Trinnity's forum, Max, and I won't put up with it here.

[Green Arrow]

I'm wondering if I should stay at this forum as well. I like it so far, but the same poison is here that allowed me to be banned for a month at my main hang, for total BS reasons. I have to believe that the same thing will eventually happen here. Liberalism is a disease.
Kalkin, the liberal members think we're biased in favor of conservatives. You can't both be right, so if you both think we're biased against the opposition, we must be doing fine :)

[Fredy]

I won't be after this.

Oh, the humanity

[AmazonTania]

Bad faith in it's purest sense is posting something that you know isn't really true just to irritate someone else. Generally however it is considered to be bad faith to make personal attacks on people and call them names rather than address their argument or ascribe things to that person that are completely without foundation. If you tell someone that their opinion is full of s**t, simply because they are of a certain political affiliation, this doesn't address their argument, it is just a personal attack. While we carve out flame baiting on it's own, it is really a bad faith post. Posting something to the effect that all _________ are idiots and need help tying their own shoelaces, is flame baiting and it's in bad faith. Posting something controversial is not bad faith, but adding a derisive comment about the politics of the subject matter if it is a person or the political source could be bad faith. In general bad faith is rather childish behavior - something better suited to the school yard than a message board.

That happens all the time, yet it is hardly called out by any Mods...

That's bad.

[Codename Section]

Oh, the humanity

Yo @Fredy (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=967)

Not to pick on you, but do you plan on having political discussions any time soon or are you just going to spend time trolling mods and posters?

I'm saying this not as a mod just someone who's OCD and loses his shit when I have to jump through 25 troll posts to remember what the OP was about. Reading some of these threads is like going to the movies, watching 25 previews and forgetting what you went to see.

[Codename Section]

That happens all the time, yet it is hardly called out by any Mods...

That's bad.
AmazonTania

hello, my dove, my financial queen. Long time no read.

[AmazonTania]

Aside from my travels, holidays etc, I've been working on a project, of which I will probably reveal soon.

Plus I just returned to work today. How have you been?

[Dr. Who]

That happens all the time, yet it is hardly called out by any Mods...

That's bad.
We don't see all of it. At any given time there are only certain mods online and if they aren't reading those threads....

[Codename Section]

Aside from my travels, holidays etc, I've been working on a project, of which I will probably reveal soon.

Plus I just returned to work today. How have you been?

Lonely without you, my empress.

[Dr. Who]

Would I have been dinged for either of the examples I provided? If so, my sense of humor will not be appreciated here.

No, I don't think so. But that doesn't mean that you can carry it further. Read the rules and keep your comments within them.

[AmazonTania]

We don't see all of it. At any given time there are only certain mods online and if they aren't reading those threads....

I haven't been around in a while and chances are my participation isn't going to increase dramatically (unless it's my day off or something), but this 'bad faith posting' happens regularly. Having any meaningful diagloue is almost like looking for gold in a manure pile.

[Codename Section]

I haven't been around in a while and chances are my participation isn't going to increase dramatically (unless it's my day off or something), but this 'bad faith posting' happens regularly. Having any meaningful diagloue is almost like looking for gold in a manure pile.

Yes.

[AmazonTania]

Lonely without you, my empress.

I doubt that, not with Green Arrow still around, lol.

What about Ayosha too?

[Codename Section]

I doubt that, not with Green Arrow still around, lol.

What about Ayosha too?

Let us not talk of them when we can speak of financial things. So what's the opinion on bitcoin. $1000 now. Too much to buy and wait til it goes lower or...?

[AmazonTania]

Let us not talk of them when we can speak of financial things. So what's the opinion on bitcoin. $1000 now. Too much to buy and wait til it goes lower or...?

Haven't given much thought to Bitcoin at all. It probably might not go much lower. There's a lot of upward momentum.

Can't really do much research on it because my trading platforms doesn't hold the ticker.

[Codename Section]

Haven't given much thought to Bitcoin at all. It probably might not go much lower. There's a lot of upward momentum.

Can't really do much research on it because my trading platforms doesn't hold the ticker.

I wish I'd got in hard months ago. $300 to $1000 in 4 months

[AmazonTania]

There was a big correction in October if I remember, and it entered a Bear Market. Possible that Bear Market could return this year.

Ever tired looking into a Bitcoin ETF?

[Codename Section]

There was a big correction in October if I remember, and it entered a Bear Market. Possible that Bear Market could return this year.

Ever tired looking into a Bitcoin ETF?

I did but it doesn't seem to be in the same spirit.

[AmazonTania]

Problem with Bitcoin is that the ETF is the only way to gain exposure to the it if you don't have enough to invest.

At least with gold I can at least buy Gold Mining Stocks.

There's always short selling, but that can by tricky for a currency.

[Kalkin]

@Kalkin (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=683), the liberal members think we're biased in favor of conservatives. You can't both be right, so if you both think we're biased against the opposition, we must be doing fine :)
In the end, I'm an optimist. I'll hang untill the water starts to boil.

[KC]

@Kalkin (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=683), the liberal members think we're biased in favor of conservatives. You can't both be right, so if you both think we're biased against the opposition, we must be doing fine :)

Ain't that a bitch?

[undine]

Road Warrior has skin in this game. You should try it sometime, or you and undine can continue with the cowardly routine of unsubstantiated opinions about people versus presenting ideas.

otvyazhis

I am confused by this post. It feels like one of those bad faith posts I've been reading about. What unsubstantiated opinions of mine are you referring to? Jefferson most certainly owned slaves and did not free them even via his will.

[Max Rockatansky]

I wish I'd got in hard months ago. $300 to $1000 in 4 months

Magic words: "Dollar cost averaging".

I used to chase the stock market via mutual funds years ago. I have friends who play the stock market via E*Trade. Mostly it's like gambling and I tired of the work involved. I asked my brother, a financial expert, what is easiest to do. He recommended dollar cost average into an S&P 500 fund. That's what I've been doing for since the 1980s. My 401k is managed by J. P. Morgan so it's a bit more diversified. When the market was down, I put as much as I could afford into it. It's paid off nicely since then.

[Max Rockatansky]

I am confused by this post. It feels like one of those bad faith posts I've been reading about. What unsubstantiated opinions of mine are you referring to? Lincoln most certainly owned slaves and did not free them even via his will.

Sorry, but Lincoln didn't own slaves.

http://home.nas.com/lopresti/ps.htm

http://www.history.com/news/5-things-you-may-not-know-about-lincoln-slavery-and-emancipation

[undine]

Sorry, but Lincoln didn't own slaves.

http://home.nas.com/lopresti/ps.htm

http://www.history.com/news/5-things-you-may-not-know-about-lincoln-slavery-and-emancipation

Sorry, I meant to type Jefferson, not Lincoln. I'll see if I can edit it.

[Ransom]

@Ransom (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=724)

sorry we're playing COD

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Indian_Wars

Jefferson wrote letters and bought territory, but he did not "war" with the Indians. As I said, that came after.

That's why I just explained to you that he initiated Indian policy, either join us or be killed. Read Freeze...then we'll talk.

[Fredy]

Yo @Fredy (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=967)

Not to pick on you, but do you plan on having political discussions any time soon or are you just going to spend time trolling mods and posters?

I'm saying this not as a mod just someone who's OCD and loses his shit when I have to jump through 25 troll posts to remember what the OP was about. Reading some of these threads is like going to the movies, watching 25 previews and forgetting what you went to see.

I'm sorry if I disturbed your perusal of the political ramifications of a dramatic "should I stay or should I go" thread.

I'll try to tie it into the 2014 midterms sometime in the future.

Again, my most sincere apologies for disturbing your wa.

[Captain Obvious]

So has this turned into a general forum menstruation thread?

[Codename Section]

I'm sorry if I disturbed your perusal of the political ramifications of a dramatic "should I stay or should I go" thread.

I'll try to tie it into the 2014 midterms sometime in the future.

Again, my most sincere apologies for disturbing your wa.

Dude, it's every thread not just butthurt threads. Now, you can continue to troll all day if you want. I asked if you could also throw in some useful commentary with the troll posts and obviously it's too fucking much to ask for.

I'm so sorry I interfered in all the useful trolling you do on here. I really value your service as a forum shit stirrer, really, and hope that my asking you to inject some politics into your trolling didn't upset your delicate sensibilities too much.

[KC]

Let's all just chill out and enjoy The Clash.

http://youtu.be/xMaE6toi4mk

[Max Rockatansky]

I like the Mike Ness version of Dylan's "Don't think twice (it's alright)".


Well, it ain't no use to sit and wonder why, babe
Even you don't know by now
And it ain't no use to sit and wonder why, babe
It'll never do somehow

When your rooster crows at the break of dawn
Look out your window, and I'll be gone
You're the reason I'm a-traveling on
But don't think twice, it's all right......


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEHqHUMjktU

[Cthulhu]

Think the preservation of the union influenced Lincoln? At all?

Eh. It makes for a really pretty pretense to avoid having only the northern states pay a monstrous debt and bankrupt them.

But yeah, "fer duh yoonyun!!". Blarg.

[Fredy]

Dude, it's every thread not just butthurt threads. Now, you can continue to troll all day if you want. I asked if you could also throw in some useful commentary with the troll posts and obviously it's too fucking much to ask for.

I'm so sorry I interfered in all the useful trolling you do on here. I really value your service as a forum shit stirrer, really, and hope that my asking you to inject some politics into your trolling didn't upset your delicate sensibilities too much.

Tissue?

[Cthulhu]

Tissue?

Boot to sphincter?

[Codename Section]

Tissue?

Naw, son. I've got a woman. You keep the tissues for you, but I highly recommend the shower method instead.

[Fredy]

Boot to sphincter?

Molon labe, sport.

[Fredy]

Naw, son. I've got a woman. You keep the tissues for you, but I highly recommend the shower method instead.

I'll take your word for it, slick.

You seem to have a handle on it.

[Codename Section]

I'll take your word for it, slick.

You seem to have a handle on it.

Correction, someone's got two hands on it, del. :cool2:

[Cthulhu]

Molon labe, sport.
Codename Section

Where the hell did this peasant come from?

[fyrenza]

Naw, son. I've got a woman. You keep the tissues for you, but I highly recommend the shower method instead.

Tissues and <barf!> socks are so ... disgusting to us females, out here.

I ALSO highly recommend the shower method!

NO freakin' "evidence" of how ... excitable ... you basters are.

[fyrenza]

@Codename Section (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=866)

Where the hell did this peasant come from?

I'll probably have to be reprimanded for this, but :

He cain't even spell his own name ...

It's fukin' FREDDIE or FREDDY, you fried fart-flame!

(sorry ~ fart was the first F word I could fink of)

[oceanloverOH]

I'll probably have to be reprimanded for this, but :

He cain't even spell his own name ...

It's fukin' FREDDIE or FREDDY, you fried fart-flame!

(sorry ~ fart was the first F word I could fink of)

No call for this....posting in bad faith. Please stop.

[fyrenza]

<~ oppressed by The (wo)MAN

AND





<~ STFU'ing