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Mr. Freeze
01-07-2014, 10:58 AM
Voluntarism is just as caring and compassionate--actually moreso--than anything the state can provide. It's people making the choice ever day to share and be good to each other. This is far different than accepting the fact that money is taken out of your taxes and redistributed to military contractors and poor alike.

Voluntaristic communes and cooperatives enable you to live better than you would alone and combine your talents for a better way of life. You seek people that you already enjoy spending time with, combine your resources, and lived more simply and with better quality than you do as part of some large nebulous concept of "society".

This is called intentional living or intentional communities.

From Huffpo
(http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ben-zolno/communal-living_b_965362.html)

Here are the Top 5 Ways Hippies Can Make You Rich, with the life-time value of each.


#1 Cheap Land
Worth: $500k+
On your own, if you have only $50k to put down for a land deposit, your choices are limited. If you got together with 20 community members, you're looking at a million bucks, just to start. That's the choice between mortgaging a shed on an empty lot or owning several hundred acres outright in some parts of the country. With that much space and lower debt, you can build a home much larger than you'd be able to afford to otherwise.
From there, you can either tend the land and preserve it for generations to come, or all work together and hope to flip it and get filthy rich, if you still have that capitalist streak in you.
#2 Cheap Child Rearing
Worth: $100k+
"It takes a village to raise a child... " or if you do it on your own, it'll take a nanny, a backyard playground with toxic herbicides that a gardener must apply monthly, putting lessons for peewee golf tournaments, and more.
Intentional communities often offer collective childcare agreements, and even home-school, saving you tens of thousands of dollars on daycare and private school tuition you'd have to pay for schools that give a child such individualized attention. It allows each parent free time to get more business done or, Gaia forbid, just relax. Additionally, community living is like giving your kid dozens of aunts and uncles, who provide a wide variety of perspectives and experiences, giving your child diverse knowledge that will serve as a head start into the scholastic and, eventually, business world.
If you live in a really eco-focused community, they may discuss maintaining a one-child policy, which is about the most environmentally responsible thing you can do (http://www.billmckibben.com/maybe-one.html).
#3 Cheap Labor
Worth: $200k+
Most intentional communities share chores, like landscaping, gardening, building upkeep and other maintenance that would cost you thousands of dollars a year in parts and labor you'd pay someone else to do for your home, so if you do your share of the work, you're taken care of.

You can, of course, do these things on your own time, when you're not commuting to your nine-to-six job (or looking for work), not watching the kids, not paying bills, and not going to therapy because you can't handle how crazy your life has become. Speaking of therapy...
#4 Cheap Therapy
Worth: $250k+
Healthy hippie communities have two shoulders to cry on for every community member, which they're happy to loan out, as they know they have more than they'll ever need right next door. Besides, having many of life's economic and social needs taken care of by sharing resources and living in a less isolated atmosphere means you're likely less prone to the varieties of depression that can take hold in the modern rat race (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A29751-2004Dec2.html).
#5 Cash
Worth: $500k+
While the vast majority of intentional communities are simply setups like cohousing (http://www.cohousing.org/), and co-ops (http://fic.ic.org/), some are closer to what you imagine -- a bunch of groovy folks growing tofu together (http://twinoakstofu.com/). Why not start a community where everyone works together to make a product that can make you (and your community) real income?




http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/08/05/communal-living-a-new-old_n_117061.html


I currently live in Virginia where the number of intentional communities is growing.

http://directory.ic.org/intentional_communities_in_Virginia

Ethereal
01-07-2014, 11:12 AM
This is where the real change is occurring in America.

Mr. Freeze
01-07-2014, 11:15 AM
This is where the real change is occurring in America.

When people hear "coop" or "commune" they think "communistic". I have to explain that I make money and am not against nice things. Everyone in our coop has land, a house, food, etc but not everyone has a big house or a Rover like some people in it.

They have enough because they are willing to work in a garden, helped build other houses, take care of livestock, and go to their part-time job. How many people in the US can have a house and land and only work part time at Game Stop or the local coffee shop?

Ethereal
01-07-2014, 11:20 AM
When people hear "coop" or "commune" they think "communistic". I have to explain that I make money and am not against nice things. Everyone in our coop has land, a house, food, etc but not everyone has a big house or a Rover like some people in it.

They have enough because they are willing to work in a garden, helped build other houses, take care of livestock, and go to their part-time job. How many people in the US can have a house and land and only work part time at Game Stop or the local coffee shop?

These kinds of communities could become a reality for millions of people living in urban squalor if some measure of land reform was achieved. We can start here: The federal government owns roughly 635-640 million acres, 28% of the 2.27 billion acres of land in the United States. (http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R42346.pdf)

Mr. Freeze
01-07-2014, 11:27 AM
These kinds of communities could become a reality for millions of people living in urban squalor if some measure of land reform was achieved. We can start here: The federal government owns roughly 635-640 million acres, 28% of the 2.27 billion acres of land in the United States. (http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R42346.pdf)

They would never release that because they've convinced a large percentage of the progressive population that it all looks like Yellowstone and we need it for the purpose of strategic bear populations. They don't tell you that a lot of it is in places like Arkansas or the Dakotas and would make excellent farmland.

Mr. Freeze
01-07-2014, 11:34 AM
Ethereal

http://www.shareable.net/blog/how-to-start-a-community-currency

I've been considering this one for two years now. Yes, there is bitcoin and it was different but now there are bitcoin funds which show that they will find some way very soon to regulate it in a way that does not truly "understand" it and will be awful.

nic34
01-07-2014, 11:36 AM
Been there done that.... good luck....:rollseyes:

Ethereal
01-07-2014, 11:42 AM
They would never release that because they've convinced a large percentage of the progressive population that it all looks like Yellowstone and we need it for the purpose of strategic bear populations. They don't tell you that a lot of it is in places like Arkansas or the Dakotas and would make excellent farmland.

But the progressive population likes free stuff, so free land should be an easy sell.

Ethereal
01-07-2014, 11:44 AM
@Ethereal (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=870)

http://www.shareable.net/blog/how-to-start-a-community-currency

I've been considering this one for two years now. Yes, there is bitcoin and it was different but now there are bitcoin funds which show that they will find some way very soon to regulate it in a way that does not truly "understand" it and will be awful.

I think there is room for multiple competing currencies. And I don't think regulations can ever touch the darknet exchanges that occur in bitcoins and other digital currencies.

Heyduke
01-07-2014, 11:51 AM
I lived on a 60 acre property in the remote hills of Humboldt County, Ca. with a bunch of hippies. I had blonde dreadlocks at the time. I lived there in a teepee for two years and a yurt for the other two years, worked the organic gardens, sold cut flowers and produce and herbs and crafts at the farmers markets in Eureka and Arcata. We were right next to a wild and scenic river. Then I got married and had a kid and got pressured into getting a job and moved to town and rented a place until we could buy a house and got divorced and the rest is history. But, I learned alot out there by the river. One thing I learned is that what we consider normal living is actually crazy -Koyaanisqatsi- life out of balance. For example, we now consider a normal childhood as one where a kid spends half of his childhood staring at a screen* and he takes mood altering pharmaceuticals and spending time in nature is considered an exotic diversion.

* I know I'm being a hypocrite, staring at a screen myself. For the record, I own no portable internet device and I don't take the internet with me when I go outside, which I'm about to do shortly. Gotta go cut some firewood from a tree that fell at my neighbor's place.

Mr. Freeze
01-07-2014, 11:54 AM
Been there done that.... good luck....:rollseyes:

I've lived in them before and am doing it now. Perhaps you had a bad experience?

Mr. Freeze
01-07-2014, 11:58 AM
I lived on a 60 acre property in the remote hills of Humboldt County, Ca. with a bunch of hippies. I had blonde dreadlocks at the time. I lived there in a teepee for two years and a yurt for the other two years, worked the organic gardens, sold cut flowers and produce and herbs and crafts at the farmers markets in Eureka and Arcata. We were right next to a wild and scenic river. Then I got married and had a kid and got pressured into getting a job and moved to town and rented a place until we could buy a house and got divorced and the rest is history. But, I learned alot out there by the river. One thing I learned is that what we consider normal living is actually crazy -Koyaanisqatsi- life out of balance. For example, we now consider a normal childhood as one where a kid spends half of his childhood staring at a screen* and he takes mood altering pharmaceuticals and spending time in nature is considered an exotic diversion.

* I know I'm being a hypocrite, staring at a screen myself. For the record, I own no portable internet device and I don't take the internet with me when I go outside, which I'm about to do shortly. Gotta go cut some firewood from a tree that fell at my neighbor's place.


Sounds like you miss it. I had dreds, too. Blonde ones. Now I just have long hair. I lived in a more socialistic commune and it had aspects which were awesome and then there were people that just wanted to smoke pot. This thing we have now is coopertist with elements of communitarianism. People had to put sweat equity in first to get land or to get help with a house that they bought materials for. People have to put sweat equity or money in for food. The medical program and "electricty" are what they spend their money on as far as the cooperative. Although my friend is almost 100% solar and sold back to the electric company for the first time, but he has the most non-tree lot.

Heyduke
01-07-2014, 12:29 PM
My situation wasn't sustainable out there. One guy owned the property, and he was annoying. People came and went, alot of turnover. Yea, and there was definately a pot scene, where we were allowed to help the owner grow pot, but we were forbidden to grow our own. But, overall, a good learning experience where I proved to myself that alternative ways of 'earning a living' are not only possible, but in many ways superior to the rat race.
okay, gotta go cut that wood. late.

nic34
01-07-2014, 12:29 PM
I've lived in them before and am doing it now. Perhaps you had a bad experience?

Yeah, I got old.

The N. Calif. thing was ok, as Heyduke describes, I also lived in N. Idaho, but it's a hard living. Then I too, took a job--- had a kid --- and the rest is history as they say.

Can't say I don't miss it, but I'll probably do my own thing on some property in N. Az... tho I expect I'll be working with others (young folks) that are starting up...

Codename Section
01-07-2014, 02:14 PM
Yeah, I got old.

The N. Calif. thing was ok, as Heyduke describes, I also lived in N. Idaho, but it's a hard living. Then I too, took a job--- had a kid --- and the rest is history as they say.

Can't say I don't miss it, but I'll probably do my own thing on some property in N. Az... tho I expect I'll be working with others (young folks) that are starting up...


Well you know you can visit us nic34

I'm building an upcycle house myself. All recycle-ables even the frame.

donttread
01-07-2014, 03:28 PM
Plus someone can help you grow you're weed




Voluntarism is just as caring and compassionate--actually moreso--than anything the state can provide. It's people making the choice ever day to share and be good to each other. This is far different than accepting the fact that money is taken out of your taxes and redistributed to military contractors and poor alike.

Voluntaristic communes and cooperatives enable you to live better than you would alone and combine your talents for a better way of life. You seek people that you already enjoy spending time with, combine your resources, and lived more simply and with better quality than you do as part of some large nebulous concept of "society".

This is called intentional living or intentional communities.

From Huffpo
(http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ben-zolno/communal-living_b_965362.html)



http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/08/05/communal-living-a-new-old_n_117061.html


I currently live in Virginia where the number of intentional communities is growing.

http://directory.ic.org/intentional_communities_in_Virginia

Heyduke
01-07-2014, 05:15 PM
I felt from a very young age that I was being prodded and herded along a narrow path, like a piece of livestock. Go to school, take algebra so you can move along to algebra 2, go to college, get a job, get a family and a house, get some grandkids, move to an assisted living facility and eventually die strapped to a bunch of tubes and machinery. I’m being overly dramatic, but I think most people have felt trapped at one time or another in an imposed prison of societal expectations.

What’s striking about modern life is how fragmented or segmented it is. You’ve got your work schedule, which is separate from your home life, which is separate from community life. Work 9 to 5, Monday thru Friday, see your kids during the evenings, hang with friends on weekends, rinse and repeat. That’s changing with technology and connectivity, for the worse I would say. Work invades the home. Kids and parents are plugged into different devices. You try to have a conversation with someone, and they’re constantly glancing at the smart phone.

What I’m doing now is living a nomadic life, working for a free magazine. I travel from Humboldt to SF to Santa Cruz to Tahoe to Sonoma to Marin and back again. We’re a grassroots marketing company. We travel to events all around California. We promote our magazine and the advertisers who sponsor us. We go to fun events with fun activities and fun music and dancing. We have beer sponsors who send us with free California craft microbrew to enjoy and promote. We typically camp at night with other vendors, many of which I’ve gotten to know. My buddy brings his kids sometimes, and I took my daughter with us to several events last summer. There was a point last Spring when it hit me...at the Sea Otter Classic cycling event in Monterey... no wi-fi...sitting around the campfire with everyone, and I asked myself; Am I working right now, or am I partying, or am I recreating, or am I being a father hanging out with my kid, or am I socializing with friends? I was doing everything at once, and for me that’s the Holy Grail of the art of living.

Mr. Freeze
01-07-2014, 05:37 PM
It is certainly a trap. Because every other square accepts the cookie cutter system, they expect you to tow the line and get with the program. You're naive, unrealistic, and all that other hooey they say because they are miserable.

I am making my world the way I want it. I learned enough about taxes and economies to do what I'm doing now and make a worthwhile life for myself and friends.