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undine
01-15-2014, 12:22 PM
While Americans are still more likely to call themselves conservative, the number of Americans who self-identify as liberals is higher than ever.

According to a new Gallup poll (http://www.gallup.com/poll/166787/liberal-self-identification-edges-new-high-2013.aspx), 23 percent of Americans stated that they would identify themselves as liberals, a higher percentage than any time since Gallup began measuring the ideological split in 1992. At the same time, 38 percent of Americans identified themselves as conservatives, and 34 percent as moderates.

http://www.ibtimes.com/more-americans-identify-liberals-fewer-moderates-1535332

iustitia
01-15-2014, 12:26 PM
More 'moderates' are being honest about the l-word.

monty1
01-15-2014, 12:28 PM
After Obama's term is over and the teabaggers have no black guy to hate anymore, they will suddenly realize that everything they really want is the ideals of liberalism. Their racist hating has them all very confused at the moment because they're mostly all ordinary white trash for the most part and the Koch brothers would never give them a hand up.

Not to worry Americans, better days are ahead!

undine
01-15-2014, 12:33 PM
I blame it on Ted Cruz types. Even after that disaster know as George W. Bush the numbers of self-professed liberals was lower.

Codename Section
01-15-2014, 12:38 PM
Yep. Socially liberal AND fiscally conservative, ie "libertarian".

http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2010/02/24/millennials-confident-connected-open-to-change/

http://www.policymic.com/articles/72251/the-commonsense-reason-millennials-aren-t-buying-into-obamacare

http://www.cato.org/publications/policy-analysis/libertarian-vote-age-obama

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2012/11/generation-d-americas-liberal-future.html

Honestly we're like the coolest generation ever.

http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/files/legacy/751-3b.gif

http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/files/legacy/751-4b.gif

http://reason.com/blog/2013/05/02/poll-millennials-increasingly-distrust-t


Young Americans are increasingly divided on a host of issues, but they do agree on one thing: They have damned little use for government institutions. Oddly, the one institution likely to get millennials — specifically, those between 18 and 29 years of age — killed, the military, is the only one they trust to do the right thing all or most of the time. The folks in uniform get the trust of 54 percent trust of this group. That's down a point from last year, but it's better than the Supreme Court gets (40 percent now, 45 percent in 2012), the president (39 percent now, down from 41 percent in 2012) or Congress (18 percent, down from 23 percent). The federal government as a whole draws the trust of a whopping 22 percent of respondents.“That’s disappointing," says C. M. Trey Grayson, director of the Institute of Politics, "especially because we know that people’s political attitudes are often greatly impacted at the beginning of their adulthood, when they enter the political process.”
From the Harvard Crimson (http://reason.com/24-7/2013/05/02/poll-young-americans-distrust-government):

Young adults aged 18 to 29, also known as the millennial generation, have an increased distrust in every political institution except the military, according to a biannual Institute of Politics report released Tuesday. Written and analyzed by students, the report also showed an increased polarization among party lines since the election and split opinions about gun regulation.
C. M. Trey Grayson ’94, director of the Institute of Politics, said he was particularly alarmed by the long-term implications of the poll’s results, explaining that the support of the millennials is key to the future stability of modern American institutions like the media, local and federal governments, and Wall Street.




That's right we're cool.

patrickt
01-15-2014, 12:39 PM
After Obama's term is over and the teabaggers have no black guy to hate anymore, they will suddenly realize that everything they really want is the ideals of liberalism. Their racist hating has them all very confused at the moment because they're mostly all ordinary white trash for the most part and the Koch brothers would never give them a hand up.

Not to worry Americans, better days are ahead!

After Obama's term is up and the liberals can't blame everything on racism, they'll be desperate for scapegoats. And, yes, better days are ahead but not for awhile.

Cthulhu
01-15-2014, 12:39 PM
*yawn*

Every day the number of anarchists and libertarians grows. Same with _____.

....couldn't possibly have anything to do with general population growth could it? Or perhaps the fact that our borders are more of a suggestion than an absolute law?

You guys talk as if some great victory was achieved over some great struggle. Like passing through the Red Sea or something.

patrickt
01-15-2014, 12:39 PM
I blame it on Ted Cruz types. Even after that disaster know as George W. Bush the numbers of self-professed liberals was lower.

I don't blame anyone. I wonder if Gallup surveyed dead people or foreign nationals?

Cigar
01-15-2014, 12:42 PM
Some people's entire lives are defined by how they Vote every 2 or 4 years ... sad but true.

I sure hope they don't just bitch and complain the other 729 or 1259 days :laugh:

jillian
01-15-2014, 12:47 PM
*yawn*

Every day the number of anarchists and libertarians grows. Same with _____.

....couldn't possibly have anything to do with general population growth could it? Or perhaps the fact that our borders are more of a suggestion than an absolute law?

You guys talk as if some great victory was achieved over some great struggle. Like passing through the Red Sea or something.

*yawn* yep... among babies who throw temper tantrums when they get a ticket.

5 Reasons Why Anarchist Subculture is Growing

04 . 02 . 2013 by Strobe (http://nonanarchist.org/author/fischbyne/) Leave a Comment (http://nonanarchist.org/2013/04/02/5-reasons-anarchism/#respond)
James Joll, the foremost non-anarchist historian of anarchism, warned of underestimating “the extent to which men are moved by abstract ideas.” While anarchists point to the ills of capitalist government as their rationale, they are not the only opponents to capitalist power, just the most simplistic. I’ve made some notes below — not a complete list — on what might be contributing to the growth of anarchism and quasi-anarchist chic.
1. AMERICA’S INDIVIDUALIST TRADITION:
Individualist rhetoric is an inescapable component of life in the United States. While anarchism’s concept of individualism is far more absolute and divorced from a concept of citizenry, it nevertheless presents fertile ground for conversion to anarchism. Further, the absolute individualism of Ayn Rand, despite decades of dismissals by intellectuals, has proved to possess ongoing appeal and influence in the minds of many Americans already alienated from politics. It is congruous, even if disconcerting, that following decades of disastrous deregulation Americans would entertain an equally fervent anti-government, individualist fashion from the left.
2. DECLINING UNION MEMBERSHIP:
Outlawed union activity has been cited as one possible factor in the rise of anarchism in pre-Civil War Spain. Union membership in the US fell from 30 percent in 1970 to under 12 percent in 2010, with anarchism becoming a growing element protest culture during that time, culminating in Occupy Wall Street. Right-to-work laws are a rising trend eroding union strength. Without strong unions to protect their interests, the large mass of unrepresented working people will look for solace in the more individualist, anti-political doctrines of anarchism. The real differences that unions can make in workers’ living conditions and political clout are the best antidote to anarchism’s “beautiful gestures.”
3. CLIMATE CHANGE AS APOCALYPSE:
Anarchists have many grievances against capital, but one in particular fuels their absolutist, apocalyptic mindset. It’s no accident that anarchism’s current resurgence has roots in the environmental movement. Capitalism’s inability to curtail production and restrain polluters who degrade the environment is alarming to youth. The NPR liberal’s emphasis on social forms of sustainability such as recycling, shopping habits, and organic gardening seem inadequate. But the anarchist wishes to push this idea further. Anarchism’s solution is similarly social, heralding an all-encompassing social utopia oddly similar in rejecting structural economic factors. Anarchists are about action, not strategy or policy, and ongoing climate crisis provides justification for arbitrary terrorist attacks on capitalist symbols, even among anarchists purporting to be non-violent. The threat of ecological catastrophe makes even those who reject anarchism inclined to sympathize with desperate anarchist acts that serve reaction.


4. PART OF MY ROCK ‘N’ ROLL FANTASY:
“This process of mass liberation has already began. How many factory workers already listen to Jimi Hendrix, Black Sabbath, The Clash or Rage Against The Machine?” wrote the authors of The Black Bloc Papers. American youth ingest large amounts of cheap romanticism from the popular music industry, and many consume it’s anti-intellectual sentiments with an intellectual turn. The rock ‘n’ roll myth of “the sell-out” is taken quite seriously in youth culture. The hedonistic primitivism of rock is nurtured earnestly in anarchist doctrine, as is anti-intellectual intellectualism. Youth identify with famous anarchists like Emma Goldman as they do rock stars, rather than seeking political leadership. Where the Yippies were vaudevillian in their antics, today’s youth favor the punk styles similar to those peddled by Sex Pistols’ manager and former Situationist Malcolm Mclaren.
5. AMERICANS ROUTINELY DENY THE NATURE OF POLITICS:
“It’s just politics,” Americans often say dismissively, as if the political component of life were optional. American politicians say it too to win popularity. The anarchist rejection of political appeals to government will resonate with many people acclimated to the casual disdain for politics, even if the anarchist’s rejection of politics as an intolerable compromise with state government is far more extreme. Societies with a strong communal peasant tradition have often been strong sources of strength for anarchists (witness Greece), and one is tempted to joke that Americans are a strange kind of individualist peasant just as divorced from the political sphere. Anarchism has less success in advanced industrial societies, but American political ignorance is indeed exceptional among first-world countries.

http://nonanarchist.org/2013/04/02/5-reasons-anarchism/

countryboy
01-15-2014, 12:47 PM
I'm sensing a lot of blissfullness. :rolleyes:

Kabuki Joe
01-15-2014, 01:08 PM
After Obama's term is over and the teabaggers have no black guy to hate anymore, they will suddenly realize that everything they really want is the ideals of liberalism. Their racist hating has them all very confused at the moment because they're mostly all ordinary white trash for the most part and the Koch brothers would never give them a hand up.

Not to worry Americans, better days are ahead!

...I don't hate the black guy...hate means you are putting energy into something and I have better things to do...I don't even think I dislike him...I'm more annoyed with all the people that are supporting him...the ones that know he lied and try to dispute or cover it up...that's the real issue, the people that are too stupid to know any better...

Cthulhu
01-15-2014, 01:11 PM
*yawn* yep... among babies who throw temper tantrums when they get a ticket.


5376

undine
01-15-2014, 01:13 PM
I'm sensing a lot of blissfullness. :rolleyes:
It made me smile.

jillian
01-15-2014, 01:15 PM
5376

in your dreams. :)

nathanbforrest45
01-15-2014, 01:17 PM
After Obama's term is over and the teabaggers have no black guy to hate anymore, they will suddenly realize that everything they really want is the ideals of liberalism. Their racist hating has them all very confused at the moment because they're mostly all ordinary white trash for the most part and the Koch brothers would never give them a hand up.



Not to worry Americans, better days are ahead!

You have got to be shitting me. Still playing the race card. What is it in your make up that causes you to be totally blind to the fact its not Obama's skin color but his political philosophy that we are opposed to? Do you think if Obama's name was John Smith and was blond haired and blue eyed but was doing the same things Obama is doing the Tea Party would embrace him? Can you spell the word foolish???

Cigar
01-15-2014, 01:18 PM
5376

http://static2.businessinsider.com/image/507e6216ecad044456000000-512-333/obama-romney-debate.jpg

Please Continue Governor :laugh:

jillian
01-15-2014, 01:20 PM
You have got to be shitting me. Still playing the race card. What is it in your make up that causes you to be totally blind to the fact its not Obama's skin color but his political philosophy that we are opposed to? Do you think if Obama's name was John Smith and was blond haired and blue eyed but was doing the same things Obama is doing the Tea Party would embrace him? Can you spell the word foolish???

probably because they had a meeting the day he was sworn in and decided no matter what he did they'd obstruct him?

maybe because of things like portraying him and/or michelle as apes?

maybe saying he wasn't born here?

maybe pretending he didn't deserve to go to harvard or be on law review?

Cigar
01-15-2014, 01:20 PM
You have got to be shitting me. Still playing the race card. What is it in your make up that causes you to be totally blind to the fact its not Obama's skin color but his political philosophy that we are opposed to? Do you think if Obama's name was John Smith and was blond haired and blue eyed but was doing the same things Obama is doing the Tea Party would embrace him? Can you spell the word foolish???

Obama's Legacy :grin:

http://itmakessenseblog.com/files/2012/07/Obama-and-golf-cart.jpg

Cigar
01-15-2014, 01:21 PM
probably because they had a meeting the day he was sworn in and decided no matter what he did they'd obstruct him?

maybe because of things like portraying him and/or michelle as apes?

maybe saying he wasn't born here?

maybe pretending he didn't deserve to go to harvard or be on law review?

Or as some Forum Members here would say; "Insecure Much" :laugh:

jillian
01-15-2014, 01:22 PM
Or as some Forum Members here would say; "Insecure Much" :laugh:

that....

monty1
01-15-2014, 01:22 PM
I blame it on Ted Cruz types. Even after that disaster know as George W. Bush the numbers of self-professed liberals was lower.

He's the kind of ugly hater who has slipped in to fill the void. He's trying to benefit from the fringe of libertarians shallow thinkers in order to quickstart himself into politics. It will fail for him just as surely as it's failed for Ron Paul and soon Rand Paul. There's no appetite for extremism on the national scale.

And then there's Christie and his huge popularity that was mainly looking good because it was an alternative to the hopeless crazies such as Rand Paul. Too bad Christie smashed it all to pieces with his bull in a china shop approach.

No matter for the Repubs, they will find another moderate just as they had to find Romney in a sea of batshit fucking crazies such as Santorum, Bachmann, Cane, etc.

Bush3 if people can get enough of the bad taste out of their mouths?

Common
01-15-2014, 01:56 PM
Ive said this over and over and Ill say it again because I believe it. Americans do not like extremes, they reject the far left and they reject the far right. Each of those get hold for short lived periods of time.

This country has always swung left to right GOP to Dem and it will continue to do so, there will be no libertarian takeovers. No matter how much the few wring thier hands and tout Rand its not going to happen.

Each side including Libertarians have good points that appeal to alot of people. Its when they drop their pants and expose what they are really about is when the tide changes. The teatards have done just that exposed their buttocks to america that they of the rich and for the rich. The left will be the next ones up till they fail again and america rolls right along.

Heyduke
01-15-2014, 02:02 PM
Liberals are air-headed. Conservatives are brick-headed. We're the Libertarians, and we're taking over this country, and then we're going to leave you alone. Making choices, especially mistakes, is how human character is forged.

Libertarians are anti-war, anti war-on-drugs, pro-4th Amendment, don't give a damn about who marries who, have faith that people will take care of one another, have faith that if given the chance people will make the right decisions for the most part. Essentially, libertarians have faith in humanity.

In some ways, there is a revolution of the mind going on today, and libertarianism is on the rise. Just watching commercials on TV, you sense an appeal to the will of people to be free. How many products use the concept of freedom in their ads? "Smoke Blu E-cigs... take your freedom back". "Apply for the Chase Freedom card". It reminds me of the 1990's, when everyone was employed and working 50 hours a week, and their lives lacked any sense of ruggedness, and all the car commercials had SUVs plowing through creeks and over rocks, and there was that whole SUV fad where soccer Mom's would drive Hummers and gigantic Suburbans with 4WD that had never touched dirt since their date of purchase.

Now, it's all about Freedom. The sphere of choice and freedom is shrinking, and people have a natural unconscious reflex against that. But, are libertarians truly taking over. I sadly doubt it, because liberty is not the absence of tyranny. Liberty is a positive aspect which we are sorely lacking.

"Nobody can give you freedom. Nobody can give you justice or equality or anything. If you're a man, you take it." -Malcolm X

monty1
01-15-2014, 02:03 PM
Ive said this over and over and Ill say it again because I believe it. Americans do not like extremes, they reject the far left and they reject the far right. Each of those get hold for short lived periods of time.

This country has always swung left to right GOP to Dem and it will continue to do so, there will be no libertarian takeovers. No matter how much the few wring thier hands and tout Rand its not going to happen.

Each side including Libertarians have good points that appeal to alot of people. Its when they drop their pants and expose what they are really about is when the tide changes. The teatards have done just that exposed their buttocks to america that they of the rich and for the rich. The left will be the next ones up till they fail again and america rolls right along.

I'm impressed to hear an American say that. Mostly right, but you miss one key point. You are far from understanding that the right has taken it too far to the right and the left needs to bring it back to near the center. Big money has caused the outrageous income inequality that is second worst in the entire world and it's making America a laughing stock for all other progressive first world countries. (progressive in the true sense, try to grasp that)

You can't really go back to the idiocy that Bush2 brought on your country. The 21st. century's demands just won't endure that anymore. It's going to a lot more skinny times and that calls for a distribution of the wealth that is a little closer to equitable. Figure it out for yourself now.

monty1
01-15-2014, 02:05 PM
Liberals are air-headed. Conservatives are brick-headed. We're the Libertarians, and we're taking over this country, and then we're going to leave you alone. Making choices, especially mistakes, is how human character is forged.

Libertarians are anti-war, anti war-on-drugs, pro-4th Amendment, don't give a damn about who marries who, have faith that people will take care of one another, have faith that if given the chance people will make the right decisions for the most part. Essentially, libertarians have faith in humanity.

In some ways, there is a revolution of the mind going on today, and libertarianism is on the rise. Just watching commercials on TV, you sense an appeal to the will of people to be free. How many products use the concept of freedom in their ads? "Smoke Blu E-cigs... take your freedom back". "Apply for the Chase Freedom card". It reminds me of the 1990's, when everyone was employed and working 50 hours a week, and their lives lacked any sense of ruggedness, and all the car commercials had SUVs plowing through creeks and over rocks, and there was that whole SUV fad where soccer Mom's would drive Hummers and gigantic Suburbans with 4WD that had never touched dirt since their date of purchase.

Now, it's all about Freedom. The sphere of choice and freedom is shrinking, and people have a natural unconscious reflex against that. But, are libertarians truly taking over. I sadly doubt it, because liberty is not the absence of tyranny. Liberty is a positive aspect which we are sorely lacking.

"Nobody can give you freedom. Nobody can give you justice or equality or anything. If you're a man, you take it." -Malcolm X

At least you are thinking now and that's better than the oneliners that is the usual on this forum. And so that's encourageing and I won't even bother to burst your bubble for now.

zelmo1234
01-15-2014, 02:08 PM
After Obama's term is over and the teabaggers have no black guy to hate anymore, they will suddenly realize that everything they really want is the ideals of liberalism. Their racist hating has them all very confused at the moment because they're mostly all ordinary white trash for the most part and the Koch brothers would never give them a hand up.

Not to worry Americans, better days are ahead!

Do you have any proof that the TEA Party Hates Blacks? Or are you just enjoying telling lies!

zelmo1234
01-15-2014, 02:14 PM
probably because they had a meeting the day he was sworn in and decided no matter what he did they'd obstruct him?

maybe because of things like portraying him and/or michelle as apes?

maybe saying he wasn't born here?

maybe pretending he didn't deserve to go to harvard or be on law review?

McCain had to prove he was a US citizens to the Democrats.

GWB has faced the same challenges about his schooling, and then of course there was the Selected Not elected that we herd for the first term.

Liberals are still trying to blame him for the housing collapse, and while I agree it was on his watch, it sure they hell was not his policies.

They Opposed President Obama because his policies are bad. And now 5 years in, they are still bad and we are reaping the rewards of those that he managed to push through

zelmo1234
01-15-2014, 02:16 PM
Ive said this over and over and Ill say it again because I believe it. Americans do not like extremes, they reject the far left and they reject the far right. Each of those get hold for short lived periods of time.

This country has always swung left to right GOP to Dem and it will continue to do so, there will be no libertarian takeovers. No matter how much the few wring thier hands and tout Rand its not going to happen.

Each side including Libertarians have good points that appeal to alot of people. Its when they drop their pants and expose what they are really about is when the tide changes. The teatards have done just that exposed their buttocks to america that they of the rich and for the rich. The left will be the next ones up till they fail again and america rolls right along.

Can you tell me just what it is that the TEA party is doing to support the rich?

zelmo1234
01-15-2014, 02:18 PM
I'm impressed to hear an American say that. Mostly right, but you miss one key point. You are far from understanding that the right has taken it too far to the right and the left needs to bring it back to near the center. Big money has caused the outrageous income inequality that is second worst in the entire world and it's making America a laughing stock for all other progressive first world countries. (progressive in the true sense, try to grasp that)

So why did they not take that path in Canada under Harper, they took the Reagan path and it is working wonders for your economy? why will that not work here?

You can't really go back to the idiocy that Bush2 brought on your country. The 21st. century's demands just won't endure that anymore. It's going to a lot more skinny times and that calls for a distribution of the wealth that is a little closer to equitable. Figure it out for yourself now.

Cthulhu
01-15-2014, 02:18 PM
Liberals = "All hail the Technocracy!"
Conservatives = "All Hail the Theocracy!"

...
...
...

Libertarians = "I don't care what you do in your yard provided it is consensual, just don't bother me in mine."

Chris
01-15-2014, 02:25 PM
At least you are thinking now and that's better than the oneliners that is the usual on this forum. And so that's encourageing and I won't even bother to burst your bubble for now.

^^Oneliner. :nono:

BB-35
01-15-2014, 02:45 PM
Liberals = "All hail the Technocracy!"
Conservatives = "All Hail the Theocracy!"

...
...
...

Libertarians = "I don't care what you do in your yard provided it is consensual, just don't bother me in mine."

'Leave me the hell alone'-Me

undine
01-15-2014, 03:55 PM
McCain had to prove he was a US citizens to the Democrats.


No. That would be the Republican right wing he had to prove it to as they didn't think he was anything but a RINO and didn't want him being the Republican presidential nominee. After Bush, he seemed sane and reasonable but apparently the RWNJs thought he needed to be made credible by saddling him with Palin.

Epic fail on their part.

Captain Obvious
01-15-2014, 03:56 PM
It's time to get off the liberal/conservative paradigm and start evaluating people on the mindless fucking sheep/free thinker paradigm.

Liberalism/conservatism ain't the issue folks.

Alyosha
01-15-2014, 04:51 PM
It's time to get off the liberal/conservative paradigm and start evaluating people on the mindless fucking sheep/free thinker paradigm.

Liberalism/conservatism ain't the issue folks.

Ironically, the free-thinker crowds eat their own.

Kabuki Joe
01-15-2014, 05:12 PM
It's time to get off the liberal/conservative paradigm and start evaluating people on the mindless fucking sheep/free thinker paradigm.

Liberalism/conservatism ain't the issue folks.


...I think of you as a free thinker...along the lines of Jim Jones and David Koresh, someone that's just smart enough to use the rest of the flock and have no qualms about it...now, let's talk about porn and see pics of what's her face eating a corndog, that's what freethinkers are into...