The Goal Here, Folks, Is For Americans To Fail

[GrassrootsConservative]

http://thepoliticalforums.com/threads/21373-Liberal-thinking-on-the-poor-needs-rethinking?p=491090&viewfull=1#post491090


I've yet to see someone show me proof that someone is living high on the hog on Unemployment.

Bring it

It's interesting. They recognize unemployment makes people unsuccessful and lowers the standard of living, yet they still support it.

Can anyone put logic towards WHY we would pay people to fail? WHY we would support failure and extend failure year after year after year?

This is so dumb, these people are BLATANTLY fighting American exceptionalism, and they're winning with the voters, somehow.

Why do these people want other people to live "low on the hog" as it were?

Anybody? Not a call out thread, just trying to drive a point home. Here he is ADMITTING that unemployment does not create a healthy and successful way of life, and I appear to be the only one seeing it.

[nathanbforrest45]

The rich don't pay enough taxes. Tax the rich 100 percent and all our problems will be solved.

[keymanjim]

The rich don't pay enough taxes. Tax the rich 100 percent and all our problems will be solved.
Tax their wealth too. Leave them with nothing. /s/

[nathanbforrest45]

Tax their taxes.

[Mainecoons]

And hire more "helpful" government "workers."

:grin:

[jillian]

The rich don't pay enough taxes. Tax the rich 100 percent and all our problems will be solved.


Who is suggesting that?

[KC]

http://thepoliticalforums.com/threads/21373-Liberal-thinking-on-the-poor-needs-rethinking?p=491090&viewfull=1#post491090



It's interesting. They recognize unemployment makes people unsuccessful and lowers the standard of living, yet they still support it.

Can anyone put logic towards WHY we would pay people to fail? WHY we would support failure and extend failure year after year after year?

This is so dumb, these people are BLATANTLY fighting American exceptionalism, and they're winning with the voters, somehow.

Why do these people want other people to live "low on the hog" as it were?

Anybody? Not a call out thread, just trying to drive a point home. Here he is ADMITTING that unemployment does not create a healthy and successful way of life, and I appear to be the only one seeing it.

:geez:

[Mr Happy]

I note how you haven't offered up proof of what Cigar was asking for. Just a rant thread with no substance. From GRC?? Say it ain't so!!

[Kalkin]

Tax their taxes.
Why not? The libtards have managed to finally pass a life tax in the form of the individual mandate. There is no limit to what they can do, apparently.

[Peter1469]

The rich don't pay enough taxes. Tax the rich 100 percent and all our problems will be solved.

For less then 6 months- then that money is gone at current spending..... :shocked:

[GrassrootsConservative]

I note how you haven't offered up proof of what Cigar was asking for. Just a rant thread with no substance. From GRC?? Say it ain't so!!

I'm not disputing what he said.

We're practically on the same side as for the result of unemployment benefits.

He just *WANTS* the policies that are causing Americans to fail to remain in place, for some reason.

[GrassrootsConservative]

:geez:

What's the problem?

[KC]

What's the problem? Have you ever heard the folktale of the Czar who, upon discovering that the province of his empire with the most doctors was also the most disease ridden, promptly ordered all of the doctors shot? Your analysis of lower standards of living and unemployment insurance makes a similar error.

[GrassrootsConservative]

Have you ever heard the folktale of the Czar who, upon discovering that the province of his empire with the most doctors was also the most disease ridden, promptly ordered all of the doctors shot? Your analysis of lower standards of living and unemployment insurance makes a similar error.

What error would that be?

/Edit: Look if unemployment benefits do not support a successful way of living then why on earth would we want to give them to people? It really makes no sense to me. I don't want to shoot anyone or punish anyone.

[Ivan88]

They recognize unemployment makes people unsuccessful and lowers the standard of living, yet they still support it.

Can anyone put logic towards WHY we would pay people to fail? WHY we would support failure and extend failure year after year after year?


That is an easy question to answer.

We have outlawed, regulated and taxed to death most people's ability to earn a living.

We have made it illegal for humble people to solve the humble problems they face.

Get all the over paid college graduate bully crats, war crazies, and liar preachers out of the way, and the American people can get back to work making a better world for everyone, if the American people admit that they have been wrong themselves in sanctioning the steps to our demise.
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[KC]

What error would that be?

/Edit: Look if unemployment benefits do not support a successful way of living then why on earth would we want to give them to people? It really makes no sense to me. I don't want to shoot anyone or punish anyone.

You begin with the assumption that people who receive unemployment benefits have lower standards of living than others, presumably the comfortably employed. No dispute there. The problem is you follow this up by arguing that if people who are collecting unemployment benefits are living less-than-comfortably, we should do away with the unemployment benefits. But the reason the unemployed do not live "high on the hog" isn't because of unemployment benefits, it's because they've lost their source of employment and have to somehow continue to pay their bills. Correlation =/= causation.

[GrassrootsConservative]

You begin with the assumption that people who receive unemployment benefits have lower standards of living than others, presumably the comfortably employed. No dispute there. The problem is you follow this up by arguing that if people who are collecting unemployment benefits are living less-than-comfortably, we should do away with the unemployment benefits. But the reason the unemployed do not live "high on the hog" isn't because of unemployment benefits, it's because they've lost their source of employment and have to somehow continue to pay their bills. Correlation =/= causation.

Why don't we work on creating jobs that allow for a successful, productive, and healthy way of life instead of things that are bipartisan-ly known to manufacture the exact opposite?

[KC]

Why don't we work on creating jobs that allow for a successful, productive, and healthy way of life instead of things that are bipartisan-ly known to manufacture the exact opposite?

What legislative ideas do you have that will accomplish that goal in the face of global competition, which puts downward pressure on wages in low skill job settings?

Do you disagree with the notion of a temporary safety net for those who lose their jobs? What about people whose jobs are lost in lay offs?

[chalasmaan]

Till they become so poor that they cant pay or earn anything. lol :P

[Mainecoons]

What legislative ideas do you have that will accomplish that goal in the face of global competition, which puts downward pressure on wages in low skill job settings?

Do you disagree with the notion of a temporary safety net for those who lose their jobs? What about people whose jobs are lost in lay offs?

How long before temporary becomes permanent? For example that "unemployment" insurance that extends to three times longer than the 30 week average for finding work. At what point does it become just another entitlement/welfare program?

[KC]

How long before temporary becomes permanent? For example that "unemployment" insurance that extends to three times longer than the 30 week average for finding work. At what point does it become just another entitlement/welfare program?

You're right that it shouldn't go on indefinitely, but that's not cause to eliminate the program entirely.

[zelmo1234]

What legislative ideas do you have that will accomplish that goal in the face of global competition, which puts downward pressure on wages in low skill job settings?

Do you disagree with the notion of a temporary safety net for those who lose their jobs? What about people whose jobs are lost in lay offs?

It is actually not that hard.

First a lot of the raw materials already come from the west. so the cost of materials in these manufacturing countries is higher.

Next you have the fact that these items have to be shipped across oceans and then the country, adding more costs.

And last you don't have to be the exact some price if there is a movement to buy USA and usually the quality is higher anyway.

So when you add all of these things, you have the ability to compete? So why have the jobs left.

#1 Taxations of the producers, the effective tax rate on business is about 20% nearly double that of the nations that are now producing our products.

#2 horrible energy policies. the polices of this administration has the price of local transportation, utilities and shipping so high that it adds way to much to the cost of manufacturing

#3 Regulations. Some needed, many totally useless. again this adds cost to the process.

#4 the ACA this adds about 3 to 5% to the cost of running a business!

#5 local and state taxation. adding even more to the cost of manufacturing.

If you correct there things, manufacturing will quickly return to the USA. Now will the be the 40 dollar an hour jobs of the UAW past? NO!

But they will be 12 to 20 dollar an hour jobs that will support a family and lead to a better life.

[KC]

It is actually not that hard.

First a lot of the raw materials already come from the west. so the cost of materials in these manufacturing countries is higher.

Next you have the fact that these items have to be shipped across oceans and then the country, adding more costs.

And last you don't have to be the exact some price if there is a movement to buy USA and usually the quality is higher anyway.

So when you add all of these things, you have the ability to compete? So why have the jobs left.

#1 Taxations of the producers, the effective tax rate on business is about 20% nearly double that of the nations that are now producing our products.

#2 horrible energy policies. the polices of this administration has the price of local transportation, utilities and shipping so high that it adds way to much to the cost of manufacturing

#3 Regulations. Some needed, many totally useless. again this adds cost to the process.

#4 the ACA this adds about 3 to 5% to the cost of running a business!

#5 local and state taxation. adding even more to the cost of manufacturing.

If you correct there things, manufacturing will quickly return to the USA. Now will the be the 40 dollar an hour jobs of the UAW past? NO!

But they will be 12 to 20 dollar an hour jobs that will support a family and lead to a better life.

Those things may make the US more competitive on a global scale, but in many sectors wages are still a deciding factor. If a low skill workers is what is needed then a manufacturer can still do better by producing where the equilibrium wage is much lower than the US. Not to mention Unemployment Insurance is meant to help people who've lost their job, which would continue to be a problem even if manufacturing returned to the US.

[Boris The Animal]

Who is suggesting that?Look in the mirror, Komrade.