U.S. rhino hunt auction winner fears for his safety

[Cigar]

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DALLAS (AP) — A U.S. man who paid $350,000 for the right to hunt an endangered African black rhino says he fears for his safety.

Corey Knowlton says that after being revealed as the winner of a controversial Dallas Safari Club auction, he's received death threats and has hired full-time security. He told Dallas television station KTVT that some people "are wanting to burn my house down."

The Safari Club auctioned the permit to raise money for efforts to protect the black rhino.

The club says the Namibian rhino in question is older, male and nonbreeding, and that the animal was likely to be targeted for removal anyway because it was becoming aggressive.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/01/16/us-rhino-hunt-auction-winner-fears-for-his-safety/4517427/


What's wrong ... don't like being unarmed and shot at? :laugh:

[MrJimmyDale]

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_IOUdGp5QqFs/TUMu5fjA4cI/AAAAAAAABRY/vH4gemlZhHE/s1600/Black-Rhino.jpg DALLAS (AP) — A U.S. man who paid $350,000 for the right to hunt an endangered African black rhino says he fears for his safety. Corey Knowlton says that after being revealed as the winner of a controversial Dallas Safari Club auction, he's received death threats and has hired full-time security. He told Dallas television station KTVT that some people "are wanting to burn my house down." The Safari Club auctioned the permit to raise money for efforts to protect the black rhino. The club says the Namibian rhino in question is older, male and nonbreeding, and that the animal was likely to be targeted for removal anyway because it was becoming aggressive. http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/01/16/us-rhino-hunt-auction-winner-fears-for-his-safety/4517427/ What's wrong ... don't like being unarmed and shot at? :laugh: At least it wasn't a white rhino..........

[Cigar]

At least it wasn't a white rhino..........

It's not on the verge of Extinction ... yet :laugh:

Besides ... what's the guy afraid of ... doesn't he have an Elephant Gun?

Or is he afraid of return fire if he misses?

[MrJimmyDale]

He's in TX.....don't they have "stand-your-ground"?

[nathanbforrest45]

I've had to chase several of these out of my corn fields here in Del Rio. I didn't realize I could get $350,000.00 for letting someone hunt them!!

[donttread]

This is the crap that gives us real hunters a bad name. Some rich guy paying big bucks to "save" the endangered species he's going to kill. Also this isn't a real hunt as they have the animal picked out and likely GPS chipped as well. This guy and this club are posers



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DALLAS (AP) — A U.S. man who paid $350,000 for the right to hunt an endangered African black rhino says he fears for his safety.

Corey Knowlton says that after being revealed as the winner of a controversial Dallas Safari Club auction, he's received death threats and has hired full-time security. He told Dallas television station KTVT that some people "are wanting to burn my house down."

The Safari Club auctioned the permit to raise money for efforts to protect the black rhino.

The club says the Namibian rhino in question is older, male and nonbreeding, and that the animal was likely to be targeted for removal anyway because it was becoming aggressive.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/01/16/us-rhino-hunt-auction-winner-fears-for-his-safety/4517427/


What's wrong ... don't like being unarmed and shot at? :laugh:[/QUOTE]

[Cigar]

This is the crap that gives us real hunters a bad name. Some rich guy paying big bucks to "save" the endangered species he's going to kill. Also this isn't a real hunt as they have the animal picked out and likely GPS chipped as well. This guy and this club are posers



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DALLAS (AP) — A U.S. man who paid $350,000 for the right to hunt an endangered African black rhino says he fears for his safety.

Corey Knowlton says that after being revealed as the winner of a controversial Dallas Safari Club auction, he's received death threats and has hired full-time security. He told Dallas television station KTVT that some people "are wanting to burn my house down."

The Safari Club auctioned the permit to raise money for efforts to protect the black rhino.

The club says the Namibian rhino in question is older, male and nonbreeding, and that the animal was likely to be targeted for removal anyway because it was becoming aggressive.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/01/16/us-rhino-hunt-auction-winner-fears-for-his-safety/4517427/


What's wrong ... don't like being unarmed and shot at? :laugh:[/QUOTE]



What?

GPS chipped ... WTF

[Mainecoons]

The club says the Namibian rhino in question is older, male and nonbreeding, and that the animal was likely to be targeted for removal anyway because it was becoming aggressive.

So instead of just wasting the animal, they used it to get a really big donation to save others.

Seems to me that this is an example of how conservation minded many hunters and hunting organizations are.

[chalasmaan]

Still its wrong to kill animals for the sake of fun! Even if it is getting old or dangerous.

[Mainecoons]

But it is OK to just waste it instead of using it to help the species.

OK

[undine]

Sounds like poetic justice.

[nathanbforrest45]

This is just another fine example of liberal "logic".

[Chloe]

He could also just donate the money for rhino conservation and not take part in the killing but i'm assuming that would seem "wasteful" to him or others to just give a way money like that to a good cause. If he brings home any part of the animal then in my opinion he is doing this for the wrong reasons. If he kills it, which he obviously will, then he should donate the meat, destroy or donate the horn to an educational center or museum, give the $350,000 to the conservation of rhinos, and return home. The $350,000 is awesome and will go a long way, don't get me wrong, and I know that the people there intend on killing that rhino regardless, but auctioning off your ability to kill a life is not my cup of tea, sorry. He could also donate a little more money to have the rhino live out its life in another location too in my opinion. It is what it is and there's no stopping it, but I don't agree with the way it is being done.

[donttread]

I'm a lifelong hunter and fisherman and have taken and eaten deer, waterfowl, and small game as well as a wide variety of fish over the past 40 years. I believe in clean kills, using ( eating ) what you take and never damaging the ecosystem you are in ( don't take too many fish for example from a small stream even if you can legally.
I state all this because I want people to know that this Rhino hunt is NOT true hunting nor does it resemble sport. This stuff makes me sick as it does to most real outdoor sportsman



He could also just donate the money for rhino conservation and not take part in the killing but i'm assuming that would seem "wasteful" to him or others to just give a way money like that to a good cause. If he brings home any part of the animal then in my opinion he is doing this for the wrong reasons. If he kills it, which he obviously will, then he should donate the meat, destroy or donate the horn to an educational center or museum, give the $350,000 to the conservation of rhinos, and return home. The $350,000 is awesome and will go a long way, don't get me wrong, and I know that the people there intend on killing that rhino regardless, but auctioning off your ability to kill a life is not my cup of tea, sorry. He could also donate a little more money to have the rhino live out its life in another location too in my opinion. It is what it is and there's no stopping it, but I don't agree with the way it is being done.

[Blackrook]

These people came up with a clever idea to rid themselves of a non-breeding, aggressive rhino and make a lot of money for a good cause at the same time, which is to save that same species of rhino.

This is the difference between conservationism, which is what we had when conservatives ran the show, and environmentalism, which is the socialist agenda driven cause it has become.

And the animal rights people come in to the left of environmentalists, and screw with animal culling programs designed to save the environment from overbreeding animals.

For example, the Navy was shooting mountain goats who were destroying the ecology of Catalina Island, and the animal rights people protested that.

So things are getting steadily worse as the whole things shifts leftward into extremism.

[sachem]

So instead of just wasting the animal, they used it to get a really big donation to save others.

Seems to me that this is an example of how conservation minded many hunters and hunting organizations are.


[/COLOR]Baloney.

[Blackrook]

Anyone who can't see the benefit of this auction, which raised $350,000 for the cause of saving an endangered species, is a total moron.

[Chloe]

Anyone who can't see the benefit of this auction, which raised $350,000 for the cause of saving an endangered species, is a total moron.

They could have raised the same amount of money for an endangered species without the death. This "sport" hunt only satisfies the person, not the species.

[Newpublius]

They could have raised the same amount of money for an endangered species without the death. This "sport" hunt only satisfies the person, not the species.

precisely, that's the fundamental illogic of the activity, they're paying big bucks to go on a hunt to kill a member of the species they're trying to save....that's fundamentally absurd.

[Max Rockatansky]

It's not on the verge of Extinction ... yet
:laugh:

Besides ... what's the guy afraid of ... doesn't he have an Elephant Gun?

Or is he afraid of return fire if he misses?This is what gets me about the anti-gun, anti-hunting crowd; they don't understand that it's permits and licenses raised by hunters that help protect wildlife. In this case, it's a single aggressive rhino which was going to be put down anyway.

So which is better, put it down and make $350,000 off whomever gets to pull the trigger or put it down and make nothing?

I know this math problem will hurt the heads of many tree-hugging, animal-loving, Birkenstock-wearing, Latte-sipping Liberals, but I request they truly do their best to think this one through.....for once.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/01/16/us-rhino-hunt-auction-winner-fears-for-his-safety/4517427/
"The Safari Club auctioned the permit to raise money for efforts to protect the black rhino. The club says the Namibian rhino in question is older, male and nonbreeding, and that the animal was likely to be targeted for removal anyway because it was becoming aggressive. "

[jillian]

This is what gets me about the anti-gun, anti-hunting crowd; they don't understand that it's permits and licenses raised by hunters that help protect wildlife. In this case, it's a single aggressive rhino which was going to be put down anyway.

i don't know who the "anti gun anti-hunting crow" is, but there's no reason to go after an endangered species, imo. it's not like culling the herd when people go for deer (which are also food).. no one is going to eat rhino meat.


So which is better, put it down and make $350,000 off whomever gets to pull the trigger or put it down and make nothing?

who says "put[ting] it down is the only other choice? they said "likely" in order to cover themselves .


I know this math problem will hurt the heads of many tree-hugging, animal-loving, Birkenstock-wearing, Latte-sipping Liberals, but I request they truly do their best to think this one through.....for once.

blah blah blah blah blah

[Max Rockatansky]

i don't know who the "anti gun anti-hunting crow" is, but there's no reason to go after an endangered species, imo. it's not like culling the herd when people go for deer (which are also food).. no one is going to eat rhino meat.
Nevertheless, the rhino in question is too old to breed and has become aggressive. If it is a danger to people and other animals in the preserve, it would be put down. Raising $350,000 for the preservation of these animals is a good thing.

[donttread]

This is what gets me about the anti-gun, anti-hunting crowd; they don't understand that it's permits and licenses raised by hunters that help protect wildlife. In this case, it's a single aggressive rhino which was going to be put down anyway.

So which is better, put it down and make $350,000 off whomever gets to pull the trigger or put it down and make nothing?

I know this math problem will hurt the heads of many tree-hugging, animal-loving, Birkenstock-wearing, Latte-sipping Liberals, but I request they truly do their best to think this one through.....for once.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/01/16/us-rhino-hunt-auction-winner-fears-for-his-safety/4517427/
"The Safari Club auctioned the permit to raise money for efforts to protect the black rhino. The club says the Namibian rhino in question is older, male and nonbreeding, and that the animal was likely to be targeted for removal anyway because it was becoming aggressive. "


Except that this is not hunting. Its allowing a rich man to execute a head for his wall.

[jillian]

Nevertheless, the rhino in question is too old to breed and has become aggressive. If it is a danger to people and other animals in the preserve, it would be put down. Raising $350,000 for the preservation of these animals is a good thing.

see post # 23 by @donttread (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=922)

i am not unmindful that conservation funds largely come from hunters. but this isn't hunting. there is no sport to it. there is no meat that will feed people from it and no pelt to dress people from it.

maybe if the rhino had a gun, too.

[undine]

This is what gets me about the anti-gun, anti-hunting crowd; they don't understand that it's permits and licenses raised by hunters that help protect wildlife. In this case, it's a single aggressive rhino which was going to be put down anyway.

So which is better, put it down and make $350,000 off whomever gets to pull the trigger or put it down and make nothing?

I know this math problem will hurt the heads of many tree-hugging, animal-loving, Birkenstock-wearing, Latte-sipping Liberals, but I request they truly do their best to think this one through.....for once.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/01/16/us-rhino-hunt-auction-winner-fears-for-his-safety/4517427/
"The Safari Club auctioned the permit to raise money for efforts to protect the black rhino. The club says the Namibian rhino in question is older, male and nonbreeding, and that the animal was likely to be targeted for removal anyway because it was becoming aggressive. "

Why not let it live out its natural life instead. It isn't like anyone is going to eat the rhino.

[undine]

Nevertheless, the rhino in question is too old to breed and has become aggressive. If it is a danger to people and other animals in the preserve, it would be put down. Raising $350,000 for the preservation of these animals is a good thing.
Lots of people are too old to breed and have become aggressive. Maybe we should raise money to help the poor by auctioning off the privilege to end their lives. /sarcasm

[Captain Obvious]

So it's ok for liberals to take satisfaction at someone who is being threatened because he's a hunter/gun owner. So that means threats/violence against abortion docs is ok too?

Yet another gleaming example of liberal idiocy and hypocrisy. Never a shortage of that.

[jillian]

So it's ok for liberals to take satisfaction at someone who is being threatened because he's a hunter/gun owner. So that means threats/violence against abortion docs is ok too?

who said that? nice false analogy though...


Yet another gleaming example of liberal idiocy and hypocrisy. Never a shortage of that.

only if sentence one isn't silliness.... which it is.

[Captain Obvious]

who said that? nice false analogy though...




You don't think Cigar posted this to gloat over it?

C'mon jillian, you're smarter than that.

[jillian]

You don't think Cigar posted this to gloat over it?

C'mon jillian, you're smarter than that.

i think he was making fun of the person who claims to fear for his life.

but i wasn't responding to him. i was responding to your comment.

i wouldn't gloat about anyone being threatened in that way.

that said.... i think allowing someone to kill an endangered animal by simply standing in a place and shooting it, no hunt, no using it for food, no using it's anything.... is pretty ugly and isn't sport.

and just so you know.... i would never hunt. but i gave my husband a weekend hunting trip for his 50th birthday. i wouldn't choose to go along. but if he gets a deer or elk, it's meat will be donated (after he keeps whatever he wants to eat...which, again, i wouldn't eat) to a food bank. that money will also go, at least in part, to conservation. but they aren't targets and they aren't being killed just to put a head on a wall. (no matter how much my husband wants his 12 point buck).

[nathanbforrest45]

They could have raised the same amount of money for an endangered species without the death. This "sport" hunt only satisfies the person, not the species.

What purpose did this animal serve in the preservation of the species? It wasn't going to breed and create new little rhino's. It was going to die soon anyway. What was the advantage of allowing this animal to continue to live a non productive life when its death could have provided funds to expand the species?

[nathanbforrest45]

Except that this is not hunting. Its allowing a rich man to execute a head for his wall.


Oh, right. The $350,000.00 raised is not worth anything because of who pulled the trigger. Yes, of course, a game warden should have been the one to do the honors and raised absolutely zilch to help protect the rest of the herd. I gotcha.

[Max Rockatansky]

Why not let it live out its natural life instead. It isn't like anyone is going to eat the rhino.

The species is in danger of extinction and very short of funds. Why didn't some Limousine Liberal win the auction than pay to have the animal transported to a preserve where it could live out its natural life without endangering other rhinos or people?

[Captain Obvious]

i think he was making fun of the person who claims to fear for his life.

but i wasn't responding to him. i was responding to your comment.

i wouldn't gloat about anyone being threatened in that way.

that said.... i think allowing someone to kill an endangered animal by simply standing in a place and shooting it, no hunt, no using it for food, no using it's anything.... is pretty ugly and isn't sport.

and just so you know.... i would never hunt. but i gave my husband a weekend hunting trip for his 50th birthday. i wouldn't choose to go along. but if he gets a deer or elk, it's meat will be donated (after he keeps whatever he wants to eat...which, again, i wouldn't eat) to a food bank. that money will also go, at least in part, to conservation. but they aren't targets and they aren't being killed just to put a head on a wall. (no matter how much my husband wants his 12 point buck).

I totally agree, it's stupid. One of the reasons why I got turned off of hunting, all the fucking redneck posers and phonies out there. Too much douchbaggery in the sport.

[jillian]

I totally agree, it's stupid. One of the reasons why I got turned off of hunting, all the fucking redneck posers and phonies out there. Too much douchbaggery in the sport.

well, there ya go.

so we can agree. :)

[undine]

So it's ok for liberals to take satisfaction at someone who is being threatened because he's a hunter/gun owner. So that means threats/violence against abortion docs is ok too?

Yet another gleaming example of liberal idiocy and hypocrisy. Never a shortage of that.Who expressed satisfaction?

[Chloe]

What purpose did this animal serve in the preservation of the species? It wasn't going to breed and create new little rhino's. It was going to die soon anyway. What was the advantage of allowing this animal to continue to live a non productive life when its death could have provided funds to expand the species?

Just because an animal doesn't "serve a purpose" anymore, or at least the purpose as a rancher or something similar feels it should it should serve, doesn't mean that it's life is meaningless or unworthy anymore. Living the rest of its life peace is not unproductive in my opinion, and it's death is not providing anything to expand or protect the species, it's the $350,000 being donated that will help the species...$350,000 that could have easily been donated selflessly by this individual WITHOUT killing the animal or expecting anything in return. He could have donated $400,000 with the other $50,000 going towards providing the rhino with a new home to live out the rest of its life.

You do not have to have death or sport involved in order to benefit something else or someone else in my opinion. Auctioning off an animals life is a macabre thing to do when it's the money and the action of helping to protect the species that is the ultimate goal here. He could have been an ambassador for the species with his money and sincere interest, but all he is, at least in this respect, is a contract killer of a rhino that has been deemed expendable. I know you don't agree with me but if a person is willing to donate that much money and they are sincere about wanting to see the effects of what that money can do for a species then in my opinion the donation should be enough to satisfy any emotional need or reciprocation.

[Chloe]

The species is in danger of extinction and very short of funds. Why didn't some Limousine Liberal win the auction than pay to have the animal transported to a preserve where it could live out its natural life without endangering other rhinos or people?

The current auction winner could have done that as well, wouldn't you agree?

[patrickt]

Rhino? Not RINO? Never mind.

[MrJimmyDale]

One of the reasons why I got turned off of hunting, all the fucking redneck posers and phonies out there. Too much douchbaggery in the sport. I'm from rural MS and hunting is a significant percent of food. Between my 8-10 nephews and cousins, I'll bet they average killing something every day of the year.........It's not a sport for everybody!

[Captain Obvious]

Who expressed satisfaction?

Jesus fucking Christ on a stick - are all liberals this dense?

The OP, you fucking dope.

CIGAR - in case you can't fucking figure it out with that hint.

[undine]

Jesus fucking Christ on a stick - are all liberals this dense?

The OP, you fucking dope.

CIGAR - in case you can't fucking figure it out with that hint.
I thought he was expressing the belief that the entire incident is ironic. You used a plural, I believe.

"So it's ok for liberals to take satisfaction"

You need not be a liberal to see the irony in the situation.

[Captain Obvious]

I thought he was expressing the belief that the entire incident is ironic. You used a plural, I believe.

"So it's ok for liberals to take satisfaction"

You need not be a liberal to see the irony in the situation.

And you asked who and I had to spell out what most 8yr olds would have grasped immediately.

Don't go away butthurt.

http://i.imgur.com/0mRAk.png

[undine]

And you asked who and I had to spell out what most 8yr olds would have grasped immediately.

Don't go away butthurt.

http://i.imgur.com/0mRAk.png

You have my pity.

[nathanbforrest45]

Just because an animal doesn't "serve a purpose" anymore, or at least the purpose as a rancher or something similar feels it should it should serve, doesn't mean that it's life is meaningless or unworthy anymore. Living the rest of its life peace is not unproductive in my opinion, and it's death is not providing anything to expand or protect the species, it's the $350,000 being donated that will help the species...$350,000 that could have easily been donated selflessly by this individual WITHOUT killing the animal or expecting anything in return. He could have donated $400,000 with the other $50,000 going towards providing the rhino with a new home to live out the rest of its life.

You do not have to have death or sport involved in order to benefit something else or someone else in my opinion. Auctioning off an animals life is a macabre thing to do when it's the money and the action of helping to protect the species that is the ultimate goal here. He could have been an ambassador for the species with his money and sincere interest, but all he is, at least in this respect, is a contract killer of a rhino that has been deemed expendable. I know you don't agree with me but if a person is willing to donate that much money and they are sincere about wanting to see the effects of what that money can do for a species then in my opinion the donation should be enough to satisfy any emotional need or reciprocation.


But that isn't what happened is it? No member of Greenpeace or PETA came forward to donate money. No, they would rather complain about those who are actually doing something to make a difference. If, by his death, this Rhino can assist the rest of the population then it was doing something a lot more productive than doing nothing but perhaps attacking other animals and killing them or (and I know this doesn't really matter to you) killing a human being.

It raised money for those animals which could thrive and increase the rhino population and actually improve things. I cannot for the life of me understand how this would be a bad thing.

[Chloe]

But that isn't what happened is it? No member of Greenpeace or PETA came forward to donate money. No, they would rather complain about those who are actually doing something to make a difference. If, by his death, this Rhino can assist the rest of the population then it was doing something a lot more productive than doing nothing but perhaps attacking other animals and killing them or (and I know this doesn't really matter to you) killing a human being.

It raised money for those animals which could thrive and increase the rhino population and actually improve things. I cannot for the life of me understand how this would be a bad thing.

Why should it have to be an environmental group or conservation group that chooses to do the right thing? The money is not the issue to me. I agree that the money is great and will hopefully do a lot of really cool things for the species, but it's the act being done in order to get the money that is not right in my opinion. There is not a rule saying that you must take life to help life, or that you have to do a sad thing in order to create more happiness. If someone is willing to pay $350,000 to kill an old rhinoceros then they were also perfectly capable of taking action to help rhinos in general AND the one that they are advocating the killing of. He could have saved rhinos abroad and one here in the US as well by funding the living situation for that rhino and allow it to live out the rest of its relatively short life in peace elsewhere, but instead he chose to kill in order to help life. I have issues with that, I can't help feeling that way.

[undine]

But that isn't what happened is it? No member of Greenpeace or PETA came forward to donate money. No, they would rather complain about those who are actually doing something to make a difference. If, by his death, this Rhino can assist the rest of the population then it was doing something a lot more productive than doing nothing but perhaps attacking other animals and killing them or (and I know this doesn't really matter to you) killing a human being.

It raised money for those animals which could thrive and increase the rhino population and actually improve things. I cannot for the life of me understand how this would be a bad thing.

I kind of doubt that Greenpeace or PETA are members of the Dallas Safari Club.

[MrJimmyDale]

I kind of doubt that Greenpeace or PETA are members of the Dallas Safari Club. :)

[nathanbforrest45]

I kind of doubt that Greenpeace or PETA are members of the Dallas Safari Club.

Why is that even relevant?

[Max Rockatansky]

Just because an animal doesn't "serve a purpose" anymore, or at least the purpose as a rancher or something similar feels it should it should serve, doesn't mean that it's life is meaningless or unworthy anymore. Living the rest of its life peace is not unproductive in my opinion, and it's death is not providing anything to expand or protect the species, it's the $350,000 being donated that will help the species...$350,000 that could have easily been donated selflessly by this individual WITHOUT killing the animal or expecting anything in return. He could have donated $400,000 with the other $50,000 going towards providing the rhino with a new home to live out the rest of its life.

All true. So how much have you donated to save animals? As Nathan asked, why didn't an animal rights group make this auction unnecessary by providing the money?

[Max Rockatansky]

Why should it have to be an environmental group or conservation group that chooses to do the right thing? The money is not the issue to me.
It's called the difference between "walking the walk and talking the talk", Chloe. You talk a good fight, but talk doesn't provide funds to those seeking to save the rhinos from extinction. If you or environmental groups won't put your money where your mouths are, then those seeking to preserve rhinos must come up with another plan. They did. Now, all those who refused to provide money are bitching about it. Go figure.

[MrJimmyDale]

It's called the difference between "walking the walk and talking the talk", Chloe. You talk a good fight, but talk doesn't provide funds to those seeking to save the rhinos from extinction. If you or environmental groups won't put your money where your mouths are, then those seeking to preserve rhinos must come up with another plan. They did. Now, all those who refused to provide money are bitching about it. Go figure. They can't divert from their speedboat and battleship budget. They wouldn't be able to chase those Chinese whalers around the Antarctic.

[Max Rockatansky]

They can't divert from their speedboat and battleship budget. They wouldn't be able to chase those Chinese whalers around the Antarctic.

They could always sell their limousines and take the bus. Save the environment! It's a twofer.

[undine]

It's called the difference between "walking the walk and talking the talk", Chloe. You talk a good fight, but talk doesn't provide funds to those seeking to save the rhinos from extinction. If you or environmental groups won't put your money where your mouths are, then those seeking to preserve rhinos must come up with another plan. They did. Now, all those who refused to provide money are bitching about it. Go figure.
It is not very nice to blame Chloe, or even PETA, for this man's actions.

[nathanbforrest45]

It is not very nice to blame Chloe, or even PETA, for this man's actions.


What man?

[MrJimmyDale]

What man? The dude that won the auction I guess......... If he only didn't own guns this would not be an issue.

[nathanbforrest45]

The dude that won the auction I guess......... If he only didn't own guns this would not be an issue.


We use bows and arrows in Cocke County.

[Chloe]

All true. So how much have you donated to save animals? As Nathan asked, why didn't an animal rights group make this auction unnecessary by providing the money?

I don't have $350,000 to donate to help save an animal species. I've donated money before but I don't have much to actually give that's mine, but I do try and I do make all the efforts that I'm able to do. As for other animal rights groups and so on I don't know why they didn't. Maybe they were unaware of it, maybe they weren't allowed, I don't know. I'm not in charge of them nor do I have much connection with any major groups like that to know that sort of thing.

[MrJimmyDale]

We use bows and arrows in Cocke County. Chasing those revenuers off..........

[Chloe]

It's called the difference between "walking the walk and talking the talk", Chloe. You talk a good fight, but talk doesn't provide funds to those seeking to save the rhinos from extinction. If you or environmental groups won't put your money where your mouths are, then those seeking to preserve rhinos must come up with another plan. They did. Now, all those who refused to provide money are bitching about it. Go figure.

Theres no reason to try and diminish me or my own efforts just because I disagree with how the money was raised. I'm happy the money will go towards an endangered species but I can certainly be against the killing of something for sport just to get the money. The person has the choice to donate the money without killing the rhino. In my opinion he could provide for that rhino and help protect other rhinos all at the same time.

[Max Rockatansky]

Theres no reason to try and diminish me or my own efforts just because I disagree with how the money was raised.

You're diminishing those who are actually doing the work to save those animals. It's the old "bird in the hand or two in the bush" proposition. Wisely, those actually doing the work of saving rhinos chose "the bird in the hand". All the promises and best wishes in the world won't save a single rhino whereas auctioning off the opportunity to put down a rhino will save several rhinos.

[Max Rockatansky]

It is not very nice to blame Chloe, or even PETA, for this man's actions.

This man who has contributed $350,000 to help save rhinos? Why are you blaming him?

[undine]

This man who has contributed $350,000 to help save rhinos? Why are you blaming him?

Sorry, I don't buy that a trophy hunter is doing this for any other reason than a perverted need to kill a big animal.

[Captain Obvious]

This man who has contributed $350,000 to help save rhinos? Why are you blaming him?

Rationality and reason are not tenants of shit-the-bed liberalism.

[Chloe]

You're diminishing those who are actually doing the work to save those animals. It's the old "bird in the hand or two in the bush" proposition. Wisely, those actually doing the work of saving rhinos chose "the bird in the hand". All the promises and best wishes in the world won't save a single rhino whereas auctioning off the opportunity to put down a rhino will save several rhinos.

I'm not trying to diminish him or the money he is donating. I think it's awesome that there will be that much money going towards helping to protect those animals. I just bag issue with how the money is being raised. I know the money is going to a good cause but I don't see why the rhino that is being killed can't be relocated and allowed to live the rest of its life. Is the hunter doing this for the species or himself basically. He won the auction but he does have the choice in my opinion not to kill the animal but still donate the money for a great cause. It's up to him but I know what I would do if it were up to me.

[Max Rockatansky]

Sorry, I don't buy that a trophy hunter is doing this for any other reason than a perverted need to kill a big animal.

You think all Liberals are altruists? That Hillary Clinton did what she did and does what she does out of a pure, untainted love of all mankind and does nothing for herself? Sorry, Ma'm, but I have some really bad news for you.

Yes, we can question the man's motives, but the fact remains he put up $350,000 when others did not. "Money talks, bullshit walks" is another truism. While shooting a rhino may be repugnant to you, the facts remain that it was likely to be put down anyway and this way provides essential income to save the species itself.

It's a reality check for all those who think talk is enough to get the job done. In my professions, both past and present, we deal with reality. Results count. Good intentions are nice, but essentially worthless. Same goes for bad intentions. If good results come from it, I'm not going to complain about it.

[Peter1469]

2013 was the worst year for rhino poaching. (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-25781746)

They should let the hunters hunt the poachers. That would be much more exciting and help the rhinos.


A total of 1,004 animals were poached, representing a 50% increase over the previous 12 months.

Campaigners say that a growing demand for rhino horn from markets in Vietnam and China is fuelling the killing.


They are concerned that illegal hunting on this scale threatens the survival of the species in the long term.

[nathanbforrest45]

Chasing those revenuers off..........


Did you set that brush fire this morning?

[nathanbforrest45]

Sorry, I don't buy that a trophy hunter is doing this for any other reason than a perverted need to kill a big animal.


Lets assume that is true. How does that change what the money will be used for?

[MrJimmyDale]

Did you set that brush fire this morning? Diversion.......

[nathanbforrest45]

diversion.......


lol

[Max Rockatansky]

2013 was the worst year for rhino poaching. (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-25781746)

They should let the hunters hunt the poachers. That would be much more exciting and help the rhinos.

I agree with this statement.

[Max Rockatansky]

Don't mess with the Rhino's food.

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