Question: Of the candidates bandering about for potential runs in 2016 who do you

[donttread]

Which ones do you think would actually give their all to decrease spending and debt? Not based upon their rhetoric , based upon experience and gut. ? Apply the same thing to the congressional races.
I come up with Paul's and not much else. Not a Dime's worth of difference between the mainstream repubs and the dems.

On the other side which candidates could preside over 4 or 8 years of peace and non interference in the affairs of other nations? Again I come up with the Pau'ls and not much else. This time there isn't a dimes worth of difference between the dems and the repubs

[Peter1469]

None will, until such time as they have a voting majority.

[sachem]

None will, is right. Even with a majority.

The train has left the station. Any change will be incremental and will take a long, long time.

And remember, no matter what they say they will do or what they want, the realities of the office and government are beyond what most people think.

[donttread]

I don't think that would do it. In fact I think that if either the dems or repubs were dominate they'd have to admit it was all showmanship and they have no realplans




None will, until such time as they have a voting majority.

[Chris]

I'd say Paul comes closest in rhetoric but think he just doesn't have the record for me to rely on him sticking to his commitments without compromise. It may be that gaining enough popular support, no candidate can remain committed to principles. Color me cynical, I don't vote, haven't since Michael Badnarik ran.

[Mainecoons]

The real plan is simple:

1. Put the American worker first: No more general immigration for at least 5 years, no amnesty. No trade deals with sweatshop nations.

2. Put the government back in its place. Set a goal of 25 percent reduction in everything that is discretionary INCLUDING "defense." No more Department of Non Education. No more alternative energy boondoggles. No more bailouts of firms that need to fail and be reorganized. No more subsidies to construction workers in the form of Davis Bacon. No more revenue (money printing) sharing with state governments. Stop wasting 83 billion dollars on spies who spy on Americans while Muslim nuts keep blowing stuff up (Boston). Let Europe, South Korea and Japan pay for their own defense and let them do it. No more world policeman.

3. Stop wrecking our own energy industry. Turn them loose and make the Middle East irrelevant to the U.S. When we have to iimport oil, import it from suppliers in this hemisphere.

4. Repeal ObamaCare, reform health insurance to make it national, take away the feedbag of the ambulance chasers, stop buying penis pumps with Medicaid. Stop paying psuedo scientists for stupid "research" on things like the color of monkey balls, etc. Make it easy for states to set up their own single payer systems if that is what their people want.

Spend the next 4 years just repealing crap that doesn't work. If you really want to turn the country around, that's how you do it. Face the fact that most of what government has done from and including Lyndon Johnson's disastrous regime hasn't worked and it is killing prosperity and jobs.

[monty1]

Most Americans obviously think there is no hope. I agree, shut it down.

or

Vote for Ted Cruz and he along with his teabaggers will fix everything overnight. The only thing he lacks in quantity compared to Rand Paul is racism but you just know he's got it and is waiting to bring it out of his closet. Cruz is perfect for what ails murica! gud blus murica!

Evil black demons in the WH, go oooooouuuuuutttttttt!

[Peter1469]

Come on, attempt to understand the issues before making a fool out of yourself.


Most Americans obviously think there is no hope. I agree, shut it down.

or

Vote for Ted Cruz and he along with his teabaggers will fix everything overnight. The only thing he lacks in quantity compared to Rand Paul is racism but you just know he's got it and is waiting to bring it out of his closet. Cruz is perfect for what ails murica! gud blus murica!

Evil black demons in the WH, go oooooouuuuuutttttttt!

[monty1]

Come on, attempt to understand the issues before making a fool out of yourself.

You disagree with my choice for a candidate? Sonny boy, I think I understand the issues in your country better than 99% of you uneducated lowlife haters do. But I might have missed something about Ted Cruz or Rand Paul so maybe you can tell me a thing of two? Can we begin with baggerism or libertarianism wet dreams of anarchy?

[Chris]

Most Americans obviously think there is no hope. I agree, shut it down.

or

Vote for Ted Cruz and he along with his teabaggers will fix everything overnight. The only thing he lacks in quantity compared to Rand Paul is racism but you just know he's got it and is waiting to bring it out of his closet. Cruz is perfect for what ails murica! gud blus murica!

Evil black demons in the WH, go oooooouuuuuutttttttt!


Agree, shut it down, though not for your vulgar wacky reasoning.

[monty1]

Agree, shut it down, though not for your vulgar wacky reasoning.

Chris, I know it's not very elevated thinking but when you are talking to lowlife there's not much else you can get them to understand.
No Chris, don't shut it down, that was for their consumption. Talk about what needs to be done. I'll start by saying that income inequality needs to be minimized and raising taxes on the top 10%+- is the way to start. I suspect that's going to take a reformed Dem government and I don't see any alternatives waiting in the wings. You?

[hanger4]

You disagree with my choice for a candidate? Sonny boy, I think I understand the issues in your country better than 99% of you uneducated lowlife haters do. But I might have missed something about Ted Cruz or Rand Paul so maybe you can tell me a thing of two? Can we begin with baggerism or libertarianism wet dreams of anarchy?You always complain/accuse others of hate/fulness and racism/bigotry, yet you're the only one posting it. Kind a like the spouse accusing their other half of infidelity when the spouse is the one cheating. What's up with that ??

[monty1]

You always complain/accuse others of hate/fulness and racism/bigotry, yet you're the only one posting it. Kind a like the spouse accusing their other half of infidelity when the spouse is the one cheating. What's up with that ??

Most of you are just ignorant louts that deserve no better. I'm turned off by your avatar for a start and it tells me all I need to know about you. Trying to discuss anything with your ilk would be a waste of my time. You would find me to be the same for you. Go away.

[Peter1469]

You disagree with my choice for a candidate? Sonny boy, I think I understand the issues in your country better than 99% of you uneducated lowlife haters do. But I might have missed something about Ted Cruz or Rand Paul so maybe you can tell me a thing of two? Can we begin with baggerism or libertarianism wet dreams of anarchy?

Really? :shocked:

[hanger4]

Most of you are just ignorant louts that deserve no better. I'm turned off by your avatar for a start and it tells me all I need to know about you. Trying to discuss anything with your ilk would be a waste of my time. You would find me to be the same for you. Go away.How sweet of you to make my point monty. Only an elitist talks down to someone and that's (there you go again) hateful. Seems to me you're standing before a mirror as you point your wittle finger. Try turning around and engaging in real discussion and stop admiring yourself in the fictitious mirror.

[The Xl]

Most Americans obviously think there is no hope. I agree, shut it down.

or

Vote for Ted Cruz and he along with his teabaggers will fix everything overnight. The only thing he lacks in quantity compared to Rand Paul is racism but you just know he's got it and is waiting to bring it out of his closet. Cruz is perfect for what ails murica! gud blus murica!

Evil black demons in the WH, go oooooouuuuuutttttttt!

Source on Rand Paul being racist? Or are you just spouting nonsense, per usual?

[monty1]

How sweet of you to make my point monty. Only an elitist talks down to someone and that's (there you go again) hateful. Seems to me you're standing before a mirror as you point your wittle finger. Try turning around and engaging in real discussion and stop admiring yourself in the fictitious mirror.

Get rid of the stupid avatar that's meant to inflame the conversation and I might mistake you for somebody that is capable of understanding grownups. Phhhhttttt!

[Chris]

Chris, I know it's not very elevated thinking but when you are talking to lowlife there's not much else you can get them to understand.
No Chris, don't shut it down, that was for their consumption. Talk about what needs to be done. I'll start by saying that income inequality needs to be minimized and raising taxes on the top 10%+- is the way to start. I suspect that's going to take a reformed Dem government and I don't see any alternatives waiting in the wings. You?

Well that's awfully condescending of you. I see no alternatives, both parties simply want to be in control of growing government to serve their own and other special interests. I'll stick to shut 'er down.

[Chris]

Source on Rand Paul being racist? Or are you just spouting nonsense, per usual?

I think today's his race card playing day: http://thepoliticalforums.com/threads/21561-4-questionable-claims-Obama-has-made-on-NSA-surveillance?p=495061&viewfull=1#post495061

[hanger4]

Get rid of the stupid avatar that's meant to inflame the conversation and I might mistake you for somebody that is capable of understanding grownups. Phhhhttttt!You have got to be kidding. I've read the forum rules and nowhere does it say avatars must be monty1 approved. If you don't want to see it avert your eyes or turn it off. I believe you can do that in your fourm settings (help me out here mods). As for 'understanding grown-ups, maybe if you posted like one you'd be treated as one. Stop the hatefulness, playing the race card and demeaning any poster you disagree with or disagrees with you.

[monty1]

You have got to be kidding. I've read the forum rules and nowhere does it say avatars must be monty1 approved. If you don't want to see it avert your eyes or turn it off. I believe you can do that in your fourm settings (help me out here mods). As for 'understanding grown-ups, maybe if you posted like one you'd be treated as one. Stop the hatefulness, playing the race card and demeaning any poster you disagree with or disagrees with you.

Help me out here mommy, make him pay attention to me. He's not being fair to judge me by my avatar.

[zelmo1234]

I'd say Paul comes closest in rhetoric but think he just doesn't have the record for me to rely on him sticking to his commitments without compromise. It may be that gaining enough popular support, no candidate can remain committed to principles. Color me cynical, I don't vote, haven't since Michael Badnarik ran.

You just lost your right to bitch!

[zelmo1234]

Most Americans obviously think there is no hope. I agree, shut it down.

or

Vote for Ted Cruz and he along with his teabaggers will fix everything overnight. The only thing he lacks in quantity compared to Rand Paul is racism but you just know he's got it and is waiting to bring it out of his closet. Cruz is perfect for what ails murica! gud blus murica!

Evil black demons in the WH, go oooooouuuuuutttttttt!

You told me to remind you to tell me how harpers actions are hurting your country, being he is more conservative than any of the candidates we have running so far? Could you please show us all just how conservative values kill a nation

As for the call of racism, either put up with proof that republican's are racist, or explain why the polices of the non racist Democrats are all geared toward insuring that the communities of color are totally dependent on the government and can't rise from poverty!

[Chris]

You just lost your right to bitch!

Bitching is a natural right, it's inalienable. Voting is a privilege, not a right.

[zelmo1234]

Come on, attempt to understand the issues before making a fool out of yourself.

We now have another ass hat that has NO clue and is never going to post anything of value

[zelmo1234]

Chris, I know it's not very elevated thinking but when you are talking to lowlife there's not much else you can get them to understand.
No Chris, don't shut it down, that was for their consumption. Talk about what needs to be done. I'll start by saying that income inequality needs to be minimized and raising taxes on the top 10%+- is the way to start. I suspect that's going to take a reformed Dem government and I don't see any alternatives waiting in the wings. You?

So why did your country lower taxes again???? We have the highest tax rates in the world!

[hanger4]

Help me out here mommy, make him pay attention to me. He's not being fair to judge me by my avatar.What a wonderfully juvenile post from one that claims to be a 'grown up'. Kid, I could care less what you think of my avatar or me for that matter. Mods, fear not, I'll not lower myself to his childish rants any longer. Mods, if ya could show master monty1 how to turn off the avatars, we wouldn't want to corrupt this youngsters young mind full of mush.

[Peter1469]

What a wonderfully juvenile post from one that claims to be a 'grown up'. Kid, I could care less what you think of my avatar or me for that matter. Mods, fear not, I'll not lower myself to his childish rants any longer. Mods, if ya could show master monty1 how to turn off the avatars, we wouldn't want to corrupt this youngsters young mind full of mush.

Rather than an avatar lesson, perhaps we should try a grow up lesson? :cool2:

[Chris]

Thee's just got to be a full monty joke in here somewhere...

[hanger4]

Rather than an avatar lesson, perhaps we should try a grow up lesson? :cool2:Wishfull thinking I'm afraid peter.

[monty1]

Is Rand Paul more racist than his daddy?

http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=rand+paul+racist&qpvt=rand+paul+racist&FORM=VDRE

Or is he just stupid and doesn't know how to cover it up like his daddy?

[Peter1469]

Is Rand Paul more racist than his daddy?

http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=rand+paul+racist&qpvt=rand+paul+racist&FORM=VDRE

Or is he just stupid and doesn't know how to cover it up like his daddy?

Monty, are you really from Canada. Most people that I met there were intelligent. Except the ones that spit in the faces of native Americans. I bet that was you.

[Mr. Right]

You disagree with my choice for a candidate? Sonny boy, I think I understand the issues in your country better than 99% of you uneducated lowlife haters do. But I might have missed something about Ted Cruz or Rand Paul so maybe you can tell me a thing of two? Can we begin with baggerism or libertarianism wet dreams of anarchy?

Here's yet another scam artist who thinks that a college education cures stupidity.

[sachem]

Most Americans obviously think there is no hope.
Do you have proof of this?

I disagree. There is always hope. Otherwise why get up in the morning? (or whenever one gets up)

[Mainecoons]

Monty is just a Canadian ranter, sachem. Don't take him seriously.

[sachem]

Monty is just a Canadian ranter, sachem. Don't take him seriously.Oh. An American baiter? I'll keep an eye on that.

[zelmo1234]

Monty is pissed because his country has rejected the drive toward socialism,

He most likely is going to have to find a job soon! As he will not be able to stay on the government toll!

So he is trying to create a socialist utopia in the USA

[nic34]

Chris, I know it's not very elevated thinking but when you are talking to lowlife there's not much else you can get them to understand.
No Chris, don't shut it down, that was for their consumption. Talk about what needs to be done. I'll start by saying that income inequality needs to be minimized and raising taxes on the top 10%+- is the way to start. I suspect that's going to take a reformed Dem government and I don't see any alternatives waiting in the wings. You?

Agreed. This one is a good post. And honest. :smiley:

[Peter1469]

Attention: Please stop responding to Monty1's posts.

[Captain Obvious]

Attention: Please stop responding to Monty1's posts.

:huh:

[sachem]

Attention: Please stop responding to Monty1's posts.Why?

[nathanbforrest45]

Come on, attempt to understand the issues before making a fool out of yourself.


He's a foreigner. That's what they do.

[Cigar]

Why?

Guess :wink:

[nathanbforrest45]

In answer to the original question I don't think any of the current group will actually do much about reducing the size and scope of government. That is, unless we also change the make up of Congress and change the minds of 40 percent or more of the population who actually wants bigger and bigger government.

I will support Rand Paul so far but I don't think he is another Ronald Reagan.

[nic34]

Monty1 is off limits? Why? He's no more "abrasive" than boris.....

[nathanbforrest45]

Monty1 is off limits? Why? He's no more "abrasive" than boris.....


Isn't arguing with a Mod a big no no? I was thread banned once for asking a similar question.

[sachem]

Guess :wink:I have no idea. I'm new here. Why are they allowed to post if we can't respond?

[Captain Obvious]

I have no idea. I'm new here. Why are they allowed to post if we can't respond?

Monty was infracted but I thought it was customary to be asked to not respond to threadbanned members.

[sachem]

Monty was infracted but I thought it was customary to be asked to not respond to threadbanned members.So I take it those are older posts? Hmmm.....

[Peter1469]

He can't respond so there is no use in trying to converse with him. It was only an Attention to let you know you are wasting your time. It was not a Warning.

So if you want to talk to a brink wall, feel free. :smiley:

[sachem]

He can't respond so there is no use in trying to converse with him. It was only an Attention to let you know you are wasting your time. It was not a Warning.

So if you want to talk to a brink wall, feel free. :smiley:Ok.

To be honest several brick walls do respond. ;)

[Mr. Right]

It's like argueing with a kindergartner.

[donttread]

The Pauls are my pick.


I'd say Paul comes closest in rhetoric but think he just doesn't have the record for me to rely on him sticking to his commitments without compromise. It may be that gaining enough popular support, no candidate can remain committed to principles. Color me cynical, I don't vote, haven't since Michael Badnarik ran.

[Chris]

The Pauls are my pick.

If I had to vote, right now, OK, but, still, one's too old now and one too young.