2014 Elections

[Ransom]

T
he GOP already had a strong opportunity to pick up a net six seats to win a Senate majority. Democrats have to defend many more seats than Republicans, including in seven states that Mr. Obama lost in 2012. Now, polls show tighter-than-expected races for Democratic-held seats in Colorado, Iowa and Michigan, while a formidable Republican is challenging the Democratic incumbent in Virginia and another is weighing a bid in New Hampshire. In 2012, Mr. Obama won all five of those states.
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I think this the real reason why Obama is desperately playing the race card as of late. Sagging poll numbers and this 2014 election coming into play.....if the Republicans can hold on to the House and actually win the Senate....that is fire Harry Reid after firing Pelosi in 2010.....that would be huge. A massive momentum swing setting us up for 2016. The GOP surging back......not that we deserve any credit mind you. We haven't surged ahead here by dazzling anyone or creating a platform that Americans can support. We're currently enjoying the absolute stupidity on the part of Democrats and the fact that their inept and corrupt Administration is getting exposed.

[Peter1469]

The 2014 elections will depend upon the popularity or unpopularity with Obamacare.

[Captain Obvious]

The 2014 elections will depend upon the popularity or unpopularity with Obamacare.

zactly.

This could be a sign that the O'bama regime expects a continued bumpy road down the O'bamaCare highway.

[exotix]

Conservatives will win back Congress and impeach Obama with election platforms from the war on women, minorities and those in poverty ... to shutting-down the govt to default.

[Captain Obvious]

Conservatives will win back Congress and impeach Obama with election platforms from the war on women, minorities and those in poverty ... to shutting-down the govt to default.

That's how uninformed liberals view conservatives.

Uninformed conservatives think similarly of liberals.

Unfortunately it's not a matter of conservatism vs. liberal, it's a matter of those who get it and those who don't. We have too many "don't get it's" around.

[Ransom]

We're certainly not going to try to win it supporting infanticide or lying about the national debt supposedly decreasing.

[patrickt]

Conservatives will win back Congress and impeach Obama with election platforms from the war on women, minorities and those in poverty ... to shutting-down the govt to default.

Not even close. The liberals will run on the class war, the race war, the gender war, and the income war. And lose.

[Captain Obvious]

We're certainly not going to try to win it supporting infanticide or lying about the national debt supposedly decreasing.

If the GOP were smart, they'd do what Dems have been doing for years now.

Just pay poor people to vote.

[exotix]

That's how uninformed liberals view conservatives.

Uninformed conservatives think similarly of liberals.

Unfortunately it's not a matter of conservatism vs. liberal, it's a matter of those who get it and those who don't. We have too many "don't get it's" around.

Look I'm not kidding ... conservatives managed to retain a majority in the House on popular tea party issues ...

How many conservatives survived 2012 on a legita-rape election-platform ?

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[Captain Obvious]

Look I'm not kidding ... conservatives managed to retain a majority in the House on popular tea party issues ...

How many conservatives survived 2012 on a legita-rape election-platform ?

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And a similar argument can be made about democrats (both incumbents and new guys) who lost during GOP landslides.

Your point is invalid.

[exotix]

And a similar argument can be made about democrats (both incumbents and new guys) who lost during GOP landslides.

Your point is invalid.

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[Captain Obvious]

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Might be news to you but there were elections prior to this one.

And I guess I could go back and make a similar statement that you made but it's pointless and while that might pacify your fragile ego, it really doesn't do anything for me.

It just amazes me sometimes how dull so many people are.

[exotix]

Might be news to you but there were elections prior to this one.

And I guess I could go back and make a similar statement that you made but it's pointless and while that might pacify your fragile ego, it really doesn't do anything for me.

It just amazes me sometimes how dull so many people are.
I'd dull my senses too if I were a conservative given todays conservatism ... insanity ... sad.

[nathanbforrest45]

The 2014 elections will depend upon the popularity or unpopularity with Obamacare.


And we will be told in every news story, every TV Sit Com, every anti Wall Street movie, every kids movie, how much the American people love Obamacare and how it has saved mankind.

[Captain Obvious]

I'd dull my senses too if I were a conservative given todays conservatism ... insanity ... sad.

Your senses could not be duller.

You and Cigar could be twin brothers along with a number of bucket carriers from the right. You see what mainstream media forces you to see and you drink it all down with gusto - because it's what you want to hear.

Your thinking is one dimensional, rhetorical, ordinary. A perfect specimen for the experiment.

You'll never understand because you're already indoctrinated. "The cowboys are the good guys and the indians are the bad guy", that's already permanently engrained into your mindset. It's not a conservative vs. liberal thing, it goes far, far beyond that.

Far far beyond your level of comprehension also.

Now go play with your toys.

[exotix]

Your senses could not be duller.

You and Cigar could be twin brothers along with a number of bucket carriers from the right. You see what mainstream media forces you to see and you drink it all down with gusto - because it's what you want to hear.

Your thinking is one dimensional, rhetorical, ordinary. A perfect specimen for the experiment.

You'll never understand because you're already indoctrinated. "The cowboys are the good guys and the indians are the bad guy", that's already permanently engrained into your mindset. It's not a conservative vs. liberal thing, it goes far, far beyond that.

Far far beyond your level of comprehension also.

Now go play with your toys.

No sweat ... simply break it down for us what conservatives have done for you.

[Captain Obvious]

No sweat ... simply break it down for us what conservatives have done for you.

First define "conservative".

If you mean "GOP", they haven't done dick for me which is why I left the party.

But this is a fairly complicated question, I'm not sure you understand it. Mostly because there is no party or affiliation that is purely "conservative" nor are any one of us purely "conservative".

I have no doubt this is zooming way over your head.

[MrJimmyDale]

No sweat ... simply break it down for us what conservatives have done for you. I want to "do for myself".......I wish both sides of the isle would leave me alone as much as possible

[kilgram]

First define "conservative".

If you mean "GOP", they haven't done dick for me which is why I left the party.

But this is a fairly complicated question, I'm not sure you understand it. Mostly because there is no party or affiliation that is purely "conservative" nor are any one of us purely "conservative".

I have no doubt this is zooming way over your head.
I have a problem with the word "conservative".

I am European, and for me Conservative is synonim to reactionary. In other words, a conservative is someone who sticks to the tradition, does not want any kind of change, religious and pro-establishment.

[exotix]

I want to "do for myself".......I wish both sides of the isle would leave me alone as much as possible

I hear Amazon jungle natives are successful *traditional society do-it-yourselfers*

http://s5.tinypic.com/2e4gsw0_th.jpg

http://www.kimmacquarrie.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/huaorani-tribe-spears.jpg

[Captain Obvious]

I have a problem with the word "conservative".

I am European, and for me Conservative is synonim to reactionary. In other words, a conservative is someone who sticks to the tradition, does not want any kind of change, religious and pro-establishment.

So you prefer lack of integrity, hopeless chaos?

People are too hung up on labels and react instead of thinking.

[MrJimmyDale]

I hear Amazon jungle natives are successful *traditional society do-it-yourselfers* http://s5.tinypic.com/2e4gsw0_th.jpg http://www.kimmacquarrie.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/huaorani-tribe-spears.jpg 35 degrees here today......would be too much shrinkage going on with those outfits......... Cigar .....It's a white thing

[exotix]

First define "conservative".

If you mean "GOP", they haven't done dick for me which is why I left the party.

But this is a fairly complicated question, I'm not sure you understand it. Mostly because there is no party or affiliation that is purely "conservative" nor are any one of us purely "conservative".

I have no doubt this is zooming way over your head.

Easy ... say for instance, conservative means just that ... applied conservatively ... and liberal means just that ... applied liberally ...


Makes you wonder what's conservative about conservatives given say the national-debt they exploded to catastrophe.

[Captain Obvious]

Easy ... say for instance, conservative means just that ... applied conservatively ... and liberal means just that ... applied liberally ...


Makes you wonder what's conservative about conservatives given say the national-debt they exploded to catastrophe.

You're dismissed.

Apply this liberally.

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[Peter1469]

Right. But that has nothing to do with what conservative is in modern American politics.


I have a problem with the word "conservative".

I am European, and for me Conservative is synonim to reactionary. In other words, a conservative is someone who sticks to the tradition, does not want any kind of change, religious and pro-establishment.

[Captain Obvious]

I have a problem with the word "conservative".

I am European, and for me Conservative is synonim to reactionary. In other words, a conservative is someone who sticks to the tradition, does not want any kind of change, religious and pro-establishment.

Plus... hell, I forgot - you're in Spain, right?

Yeah, how's that liberalism working out for you? You guys are fucking bankrupt, already off the rails and into the river.

And you're still bitching about conservative principles. No wonder your economy is down the shitter, failure is inbred.

[nathanbforrest45]

I have a problem with the word "conservative". I am European, and for me Conservative is synonim to reactionary. In other words, a conservative is someone who sticks to the tradition, does not want any kind of change, religious and pro-establishment.That's not what it means here. However, if you want to know what I believe just read my signature line.

Political tags - such as royalist, communist, democrat, populist, fascist, liberal, conservative, and so forth - are never basic criteria. The human race divides politically into those who want people to be controlled and those who have no such desire.
Robert A. Heinlein

[exotix]

You're dismissed.

Apply this liberally.

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Yes this is what conservatives use for *easy-access* ... LOL



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[nathanbforrest45]

I hear Amazon jungle natives are successful *traditional society do-it-yourselfers*

http://s5.tinypic.com/2e4gsw0_th.jpg

http://www.kimmacquarrie.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/huaorani-tribe-spears.jpg


Turns you on does it?

[kilgram]

So you prefer lack of integrity, hopeless chaos?

People are too hung up on labels and react instead of thinking.
I prefer progress. I prefer changes. I prefer not being stack in a place.

[exotix]

Turns you on does it?
That looks like *real *Liberty & Freedom* ... does it not ?

[MrJimmyDale]

That looks like *real *Liberty & Freedom* ... does it not ? That's a little too much freedom...........

[Cigar]

35 degrees here today......would be too much shrinkage going on with those outfits......... @Cigar (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=294) .....It's a white thing


Yea those Beer Bellies look familiar ... I guess it's an Indian Thang :laugh:

[jillian]

So you prefer lack of integrity, hopeless chaos?

People are too hung up on labels and react instead of thinking.

the opposite of conservative/reactionary is not lack of integrity or chaos. but i find that the so-called self-professed anarchist types do want chaos.

the reality is, you can not like labels, but when a party demands total compliance with every aspect of its agenda or labels people "RINO" then one has to acknowledge that the label is important.

[Captain Obvious]

the opposite of conservative/reactionary is not lack of integrity.

the reality is, you can not like labels, but when a party demands total compliance with every aspect of its agenda or labels people "RINO" then one has to acknowledge that the label is important.

I don't disagree, but are they speaking on behalf of conservatives or republicans?

And what is a conservative anyway, never got that question answered.

[jillian]

I don't disagree, but are they speaking on behalf of conservatives or republicans?

that is a good question. i suspect right now, they speak for themselves, like most politicians.


And what is a conservative anyway, never got that question answered.

what do i think a conservative is? what i KNOW a conservative is ... is someone who does not want rapid change, who takes a slower, more evoluationary (as opposed to revolionary or reactionary) view of the world.... who wants to find a middle ground between being a fair shepard of our national check book and not rushing blindly into wars).

that's how i always saw conservatives.... the smart guys in the room to counter the "we want to fix everything right now" more liberal types.

they don't bear even a slight connection to what passes for conservative today (since today's so-called conservatives are actually reactionary and want to return us to past eras and undo the areas in which we've moved forward).

what do you think a conservative is?

[Captain Obvious]

that is a good question. i suspect right now, they speak for themselves, like most politicians.



what do i think a conservative is? what i KNOW a conservative is ... is someone who does not want rapid change, who takes a slower, more evoluationary (as opposed to revolionary or reactionary) view of the world.... who wants to find a middle ground between being a fair shepard of our national check book and not rushing blindly into wars).

that's how i always saw conservatives.... the smart guys in the room to counter the "we want to fix everything right now" more liberal types.

they don't bear even a slight connection to what passes for conservative today (since today's so-called conservatives are actually reactionary and want to return us to past eras and undo the areas in which we've moved forward).

what do you think a conservative is?

Not sure. I'm guessing like anything else complex it's more objective than definitive.

I'm more of a fiscal conservative (I guess if I'm considered a conservative) than a social one.

[kilgram]

Plus... hell, I forgot - you're in Spain, right?

Yeah, how's that liberalism working out for you? You guys are fucking bankrupt, already off the rails and into the river.

And you're still bitching about conservative principles. No wonder your economy is down the shitter, failure is inbred.
It is true that "Liberalism" has brought Spain to this situation?

I have other vision of the history :)

[Captain Obvious]

It is true that "Liberalism" has brought Spain to this situation?

I have other vision of the history :)

I'm sure you do, you're not very objective.

[kilgram]

I don't disagree, but are they speaking on behalf of conservatives or republicans?

And what is a conservative anyway, never got that question answered.
I answered this question, too.

[Captain Obvious]

I answered this question, too.

You answered what it was to you, vaguely.

What it is is likely something completely different.

[Peter1469]

It is true that "Liberalism" has brought Spain to this situation?

I have other vision of the history :)

Spain can't financially support its social programs and can't create an economy strong enough to keep unemployment under 10%. I would stop worrying about history and fix your problems.

[nathanbforrest45]

It is true that "Liberalism" has brought Spain to this situation?

I have other vision of the history :)


That is the problem with Europeans: They have "visions" rather than seeing the truth in front of them.

[kilgram]

That is the problem with Europeans: They have "visions" rather than seeing the truth in front of them.
What is the truth? Your truth?

I have a different analysis of the situation. What makes my analysis wrong and the yours right?

[kilgram]

Spain can't financially support its social programs and can't create an economy strong enough to keep unemployment under 10%. I would stop worrying about history and fix your problems.
Well, I think that instead of history, I should have said story. My mistake, sometimes I mix them, because in Spanish history and story are the same word.

Well, let's go to the point. I explained that conservatism is an ideology that basically defends the tradition against the change.

And later about the liberalism. Well, you are right. The problem is the liberalism, but from the European point of view, it is, translated to American politics: The conservatism.

In Spain we have problems, but the problems are linked to other topics than Liberalism, one of them is corruption and the other corporativism, excessive power of some corporations.

And now we suffer the disaster of a real conservative government that is destroying the economy of the country. The previous government started this but his new one is going deeper.

And about to focusing in repair the problems, who have said you that I don't do such? But do you hope that I can discuss about Spanish affairs with you? When I've posted about Spain always has been ignored, and it is only used almost like ad-hominem against me.

[Captain Obvious]

What is the truth? Your truth?

I have a different analysis of the situation. What makes my analysis wrong and the yours right?

So once upon a time socialism was great then along came the private industry types then everything went down the shitter.

Sheep over here say the same thing about progressives.

Both miss the point by a country mile.

[kilgram]

So once upon a time socialism was great then along came the private industry types then everything went down the shitter.

Sheep over here say the same thing about progressives.

Both miss the point by a country mile.
Socialism? Where?

[Peter1469]

I mean you as in Spain.

I didn't realize history and story were the same word. But then I mix French into Spanish sentences and vice versa.


Well, I think that instead of history, I should have said story. My mistake, sometimes I mix them, because in Spanish history and story are the same word.

Well, let's go to the point. I explained that conservatism is an ideology that basically defends the tradition against the change.

And later about the liberalism. Well, you are right. The problem is the liberalism, but from the European point of view, it is, translated to American politics: The conservatism.

In Spain we have problems, but the problems are linked to other topics than Liberalism, one of them is corruption and the other corporativism, excessive power of some corporations.

And now we suffer the disaster of a real conservative government that is destroying the economy of the country. The previous government started this but his new one is going deeper.

And about to focusing in repair the problems, who have said you that I don't do such? But do you hope that I can discuss about Spanish affairs with you? When I've posted about Spain always has been ignored, and it is only used almost like ad-hominem against me.

[Captain Obvious]

Socialism? Where?

And hence why you think conservatism is what it is and why you don't get why your economy is in the shitter.

[Ransom]

No sweat ... simply break it down for us what conservatives have done for you.

many have served in the military, given the ultimate sacrifice. Many have done for their families, employees, communities, churches, friends, and themselves. Whatever happened to ask not what your country can do for you, you exotix are the posterchild for ask what your country can do for you. Then again, most Leftists think like you. What's in it for me me me. What have YOU ever done for ME? It's the classic liberal disease and exotix is infected badly. Selfish thought.

[exotix]

many have served in the military, given the ultimate sacrifice. Many have done for their families, employees, communities, churches, friends, and themselves. Whatever happened to ask not what your country can do for you, you exotix are the posterchild for ask what your country can do for you. Then again, most Leftists think like you. What's in it for me me me. What have YOU ever done for ME? It's the classic liberal disease and exotix is infected badly. Selfish thought.
Yes ?
Name one conservative who did anything for you.

[Mini Me]

Look I'm not kidding ... conservatives managed to retain a majority in the House on popular tea party issues ...

How many conservatives survived 2012 on a legita-rape election-platform ?

The rougues gallery! Bunch of corporate theiving lobbyist lawyers!

They should be lined up and---------!

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[Mini Me]

Yes ?
Name one conservative who did anything for you.

Name one act the Rethuglicans have done that helps the American people in the last 30 years!

[zelmo1234]

Name one act the Rethuglicans have done that helps the American people in the last 30 years!

fought for Clintons and got through the 1996 capital gains tax cut.

GWB tax cuts of 2002 Go back a little further and look at the Reagan policies

[Mainecoons]

The largely ignorant electorate is so fickle it will depend on how the wind is blowing when the early voting starts. Remember, these are the same people who elected Obama twice. We're not talking high IQ here.

[Ransom]

Yes ?
Name one conservative who did anything for you.

My Father.

[BB-35]

Yes ?
Name one conservative who did anything for you.

Not a one...they made sure I had what I needed to do it myself,if possible.

[BB-35]

Name one act the Rethuglicans have done that helps the American people in the last 30 years!


rethuglicans'?

What are you,12?

[jillian]

rethuglicans'?

What are you,12?

do you ask that question of the people who call liberals "libtards" or can't manage to spell the president's name correctly?

[Mainecoons]

Probably not but we're sure you did. Over and over and over again.

:grin:

[jillian]

Probably not but we're sure you did. Over and over and over again.

:grin:

i'm not sure of that. but if you make it up, it must be true, right? :rolleyes:

that said, goose….gander… right?

[Mainecoons]

You're not sure of anything except your own partisan extremism. Repeated over and over and over and over. . . .

5454

:rofl:

[Kalkin]

I hear Amazon jungle natives are successful *traditional society do-it-yourselfers*

http://s5.tinypic.com/2e4gsw0_th.jpg

http://www.kimmacquarrie.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/huaorani-tribe-spears.jpg
Actually, those are "it takes a village"-types. Just like Hillary!

[BB-35]

do you ask that question of the people who call liberals "libtards" or can't manage to spell the president's name correctly?

No,YOU'RE supposed to have that covered...okay?

[Professor Peabody]

The Democrats lost a historic 69 Congressional seats in 2010. Obama Care is making possible a veto proof Republican majority in 2014.