An honest request for the "left"...

[iustitia]

I'm hoping to understand more about the mindset of people beyond nonsense terms like 'left' and 'right'. I've often maintained that these are irrational labels held over from the French revolution and misapplied to contemporary politics and wrongly incorporated into the American lexicon. I'm fairly sure of the response to this query from those on the 'right'. With that said, I'm looking for any intellectually honest leftists that are willing to humor me.

Request:

1. Watch this video, all of it-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFDe5kUUyT0

2. Answer this question-

Do you disagree with what this video presents, what specifically and why?


Those who do not identify as "left" I would request that you do not respond to this topic or harass leftist posters for their responses. Those who are "left" I ask that you actually watch the video for real and give an honest response with any snarky comments about whatever. If you don't want to watch the video or answer the question, that's fine, but then please don't post. I appreciate those willing to take the time out of their day to fulfill this request, and I hope that if you don't think this is worth your time that you won't derail the topic.

Thank you.

[Cthulhu]

I'm hoping to understand more about the mindset of people beyond nonsense terms like 'left' and 'right'. I've often maintained that these are irrational labels held over from the French revolution and misapplied to contemporary politics and wrongly incorporated into the American lexicon.

Interesting take. But I have to ask you something.

What is wrong with labels and profiles? The human mind has an inherent need for organization, we associate things as mathematical functions when certain criteria are met. That is why we name things, I don't call a cat a dog, I call a dog a dog, because it is a dog. Not a table saw, giraffe, or a cat - but a dog.

Is it because you are sick of the negativity (I'm with you there), or you just don't like broad brushes and want others to perceive others as individual human beings?

Or is there another reason altogether?

[jillian]

so lets get this straight... in a thread decrying labels, the o/p only wants responses from people who identify as left...

anyone else see a problem there?

[Cigar]

so lets get this straight... in a thread decrying labels, the o/p only wants responses from people who identify as left...

anyone else see a problem there?

The Music put me to sleep :laugh:

[Cthulhu]

so lets get this straight... in a thread decrying labels, the o/p only wants responses from people who identify as left...

anyone else see a problem there?

Hence my post. It makes little sense when you walk by it.

[iustitia]

Unbelievable.

[Codename Section]

Can people please respond like adults? The dude asked a simple question so he can figure out what people mean by left and right.

Come on. I don't feel well today, just act right.

[lynn]

Can people please respond like adults? The dude asked a simple question so he can figure out what people mean by left and right.

Come on. I don't feel well today, just act right.


I think you are asking way too much of people, LOL

[jillian]

Can people please respond like adults? The dude asked a simple question so he can figure out what people mean by left and right.

Come on. I don't feel well today, just act right.


there wasn't anything that wasn't "grown up" code. there's an inconsistency there that needs to be clarified.

[Cigar]

Can people please respond like adults? The dude asked a simple question so he can figure out what people mean by left and right.

Come on. I don't feel well today, just act right.

Try some Theraflu and a shot of Jameson :laugh: ... it's Friday

[Cigar]

Ok ... IMO

Left = Care

Right = Don't Care

The results are obvious

[Chris]

I think he's saying while he doesn't put much stock in the left/right labels, would those who do, those who do identify as "left", please watch the video and respond, and those who do not, please stay out. Thus, I will stay out of discussion beyond trying to clarify.

[countryboy]

Can people please respond like adults? The dude asked a simple question so he can figure out what people mean by left and right.

Come on. I don't feel well today, just act right.
As opposed to left? Joo got it mang.

[iustitia]

I think he's saying while he doesn't put much stock in the left/right labels, would those who do, those who do identify as "left", please watch the video and respond, and those who do not, please stay out. Thus, I will stay out of discussion beyond trying to clarify.
That was the idea, but that went right out the window with the first post.

[Libhater]

I'm no lefty (thank GOD), but I can't imagine how or why any lefty would want to suffer through a half hour video describing their leftist ideology.
I certainly won't be trying to humor you here, but I feel its my job to tell you why people call you leftists, progressives, commies, liberals or
socialists etc. Here are a few descriptive words or phrases that might help you understand the leftist perspective or the leftist mindless-set.

Pro abortion/murder
Anti America
un American
welfare junkies
Hate success
Penalize rich
Penalize success
Pro immorality
Pro taxes
Anti business
anti corporations
anti work
Pro big government
Pro Control
Anti Growth
Pro Multicultures
Pro illegal immigration
anti Military
Pro foreign leftist dictators
Pro Wealth Redistribution
Pro increased taxes
anti personal privacy
anti 2nd Amendment
Pro govt Slavery of the poor
Pro cradle to grave benefits
anti entrepreneurship
Pro Amnesty for illegals
Pro Sanctuary Cities
Anti Private Ownership of anything

[Chris]

That was the idea, but that went right out the window with the first post.

People don't want to talk about fictions like this...

http://i.snag.gy/ZW3Rw.jpg

Some don't want to talk period, and don't want others to either.

[kilgram]

Well, I watched the video this afternoon and I think that I agree in many points. However I missed many parts because I didn't understand many economic terms. I had two difficulties: Pure economics and English.

But I don't disagree with what is explained, at least the part that I watched that are about 15-20 minutes.

Sorry, I finally got bored. It is too boring for me the topic (economics) and plus it was in English and I had to focus too much to understand the video. However I have to say the accent of the English was good and for me, as a foreigner was easy to understand.

[Chris]

Well, I watched the video this afternoon and I think that I agree in many points. However I missed many parts because I didn't understand many economic terms. I had two difficulties: Pure economics and English.

But I don't disagree with what is explained, at least the part that I watched that are about 15-20 minutes.

Sorry, I finally got bored. It is too boring for me the topic (economics) and plus it was in English and I had to focus too much to understand the video. However I have to say the accent of the English was good and for me, as a foreigner was easy to understand.


What economic terms, for example, if you remember them?

[kilgram]

What economic terms, for example, if you remember them?
Well, I had to research for example I.O.U. "I Owe You" is the meaning, no? Thanks wikipedia :)

But, now that I've rewatched it, I see that I disagree with a few things. That it's not possible to know who owns the Federal Reserve. I read somewhere that it was owned by the main banks, the 4 or 5 main banks of USA were who had the stockholers of the Federal Reserve.

Also I have doubts about the implicit defense of going back to the gold system, however it is true that I believe it is much better than the todays.

Ah, a term that I don't understand well is Fiat Currency.

[Dr. Who]

Well, I had to research for example I.O.U. "I Owe You" is the meaning, no? Thanks wikipedia :)

But, now that I've rewatched it, I see that I disagree with a few things. That it's not possible to know who owns the Federal Reserve. I read somewhere that it was owned by the main banks, the 4 or 5 main banks of USA were who had the stockholers of the Federal Reserve.

Also I have doubts about the implicit defense of going back to the gold system, however it is true that I believe it is much better than the todays.

Ah, a term that I don't understand weel is Fiat Currency.
Fiat currency is currency based on debt. People's promises to pay in the future.

[Mr Happy]

I'm hoping to understand more about the mindset of people beyond nonsense terms like 'left' and 'right'. I've often maintained that these are irrational labels held over from the French revolution and misapplied to contemporary politics and wrongly incorporated into the American lexicon. I'm fairly sure of the response to this query from those on the 'right'. With that said, I'm looking for any intellectually honest leftists that are willing to humor me.

Request:

1. Watch this video, all of it-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFDe5kUUyT0

2. Answer this question-

Do you disagree with what this video presents, what specifically and why?


Those who do not identify as "left" I would request that you do not respond to this topic or harass leftist posters for their responses. Those who are "left" I ask that you actually watch the video for real and give an honest response with any snarky comments about whatever. If you don't want to watch the video or answer the question, that's fine, but then please don't post. I appreciate those willing to take the time out of their day to fulfill this request, and I hope that if you don't think this is worth your time that you won't derail the topic.

Thank you.

I've watched the video. I'm not a leftist, but I'm wondering why you only want them to respond? I know leftists, and I don't think many of them would defend this system. Especially when I would imagine that most CEOs of banks and board members are more than likely from the right of the political spectrum...ie, it's their system...

[Dr. Who]

Yes, I have been aware of this shell game for many years. Too many are ignorant of the implications. The question is when will it all implode? Ever notice how the banks invite all manner of people eligible to work to apply for credit cards or actually send credit cards to teenagers? The banking system runs on indebtedness. Fiat currency. People with money invest in tangibles. Things that cannot be wiped out when the house of cards comes tumbling down. If you have anything to invest, put it into real estate, art, gold, precious metals - things that will be worth something, no matter what happens. This has nothing to do with left or right - it is basic mathematics.

[Cthulhu]

Yes, I have been aware of this shell game for many years. Too many are ignorant of the implications. The question is when will it all implode? Ever notice how the banks invite all manner of people eligible to work to apply for credit cards or actually send credit cards to teenagers? The banking system runs on indebtedness. Fiat currency. People with money invest in tangibles. Things that cannot be wiped out when the house of cards comes tumbling down. If you have anything to invest, put it into real estate, art, gold, precious metals - things that will be worth something, no matter what happens. This has nothing to do with left or right - it is basic mathematics.

Hell, with what is coming down the pipe, and investment in basic hand tools would be worth while. That and staples of survival like food and water.

[Chris]

Well, I had to research for example I.O.U. "I Owe You" is the meaning, no? Thanks wikipedia :)

But, now that I've rewatched it, I see that I disagree with a few things. That it's not possible to know who owns the Federal Reserve. I read somewhere that it was owned by the main banks, the 4 or 5 main banks of USA were who had the stockholers of the Federal Reserve.

Also I have doubts about the implicit defense of going back to the gold system, however it is true that I believe it is much better than the todays.

Ah, a term that I don't understand well is Fiat Currency.


Fiat currency is currency not backed by anything like gold or silver. Pretend money, money based on faith.

Here's Ron Paul's version of the video...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JX5dPF41WK0

[Chris]

I've watched the video. I'm not a leftist, but I'm wondering why you only want them to respond? I know leftists, and I don't think many of them would defend this system. Especially when I would imagine that most CEOs of banks and board members are more than likely from the right of the political spectrum...ie, it's their system...

Both Democrats and republicans support the system described in the video. Listen to Ron Paul in his video.

[Dr. Who]

The problem with partisan politics is that it can be blinding to reality. You can be left or right, but not a partisan and see the corruption that has infested the system and essentially controls every government, irrespective of political bent. I think that the polarity of partisanship is a result of the frustration and the desire for change. Unfortunately elections alone will not change the dynamic. There will have to more - a movement to repatriate government to the people where money will not be bled off to corporate corruption with the co-operation of elected officials.

[Cthulhu]

The problem with partisan politics is that it can be blinding to reality. You can be left or right, but not a partisan and see the corruption that has infested the system and essentially controls every government, irrespective of political bent. I think that the polarity of partisanship is a result of the frustration and the desire for change. Unfortunately elections alone will not change the dynamic. There will have to more - a movement to repatriate government to the people where money will not be bled off to corporate corruption with the co-operation of elected officials.

Dr. Who for the win!

[Mr Happy]

Both Democrats and republicans support the system described in the video. Listen to Ron Paul in his video.

Yeah, I know, which is why I was querying why the OP only wants leftist opinions on it..

[Chris]

The problem with partisan politics is that it can be blinding to reality. You can be left or right, but not a partisan and see the corruption that has infested the system and essentially controls every government, irrespective of political bent. I think that the polarity of partisanship is a result of the frustration and the desire for change. Unfortunately elections alone will not change the dynamic. There will have to more - a movement to repatriate government to the people where money will not be bled off to corporate corruption with the co-operation of elected officials.


That is true, there's a vast difference between principled and partisan politics.

[Chris]

Yeah, I know, which is why I was querying why the OP only wants leftist opinions on it..

He just wanted you all's opinion on it. And you were principled enough to offer an answer. As for why, you'd have to ask him.

[Codename Section]

He just wanted you all's opinion on it. And you were principled enough to offer an answer. As for why, you'd have to ask him.

That's true Mr Happy for the win, too!

Good faith posting is awesome.

[zelmo1234]

Hell, with what is coming down the pipe, and investment in basic hand tools would be worth while. That and staples of survival like food and water.

I have a fence post driver, a hand pump well point and about 100 foot of 1.5 inch pipe in the barn just in case.

I have enough food canned to last about a year. and I have buried lp tanks that will run my generator for about a year, and of curse I would not run it all the time. bought some candela and the Coleman fuel lanterns, And then I have a little shiny metal laying around just in case.


And fo curse my collection of brass stuffed with lead! If shit hits the fan pack your bags and head this way!

[Cthulhu]

I have a fence post driver, a hand pump well point and about 100 foot of 1.5 inch pipe in the barn just in case.

I have enough food canned to last about a year. and I have buried lp tanks that will run my generator for about a year, and of curse I would not run it all the time. bought some candela and the Coleman fuel lanterns, And then I have a little shiny metal laying around just in case.


And fo curse my collection of brass stuffed with lead! If shit hits the fan pack your bags and head this way!

Traveling with a wife and 4 kids when the pucky has hit the fan is a bad plan. But it is good to have an invite though. Cheers!

[Dr. Who]

I have a fence post driver, a hand pump well point and about 100 foot of 1.5 inch pipe in the barn just in case.

I have enough food canned to last about a year. and I have buried lp tanks that will run my generator for about a year, and of curse I would not run it all the time. bought some candela and the Coleman fuel lanterns, And then I have a little shiny metal laying around just in case.


And fo curse my collection of brass stuffed with lead! If shit hits the fan pack your bags and head this way!

I hope you're monitoring the expiration date on those canned goods. They are only good for about a year.

[Cthulhu]

I hope you're monitoring the expiration date on those canned goods. They are only good for about a year.

That is why I like freeze dried or dehydrated goods. But even then, most foods don't store vitamin content very long at all unless kept on ice. Your minerals and carbohydrate value will likely be fine, but vitamins? Not so much.

[Dr. Who]

That is why I like freeze dried or dehydrated goods. But even then, most foods don't store vitamin content very long at all unless kept on ice. Your minerals and carbohydrate value will likely be fine, but vitamins? Not so much.

I think a book on how to identify edible weeds would help in that department. Things like wild asparagus, wild onion, dandelion, chicory, wood sorrel, clover, burdock (plant that makes burrs), plantain etc are all edible.

[Cthulhu]

I think a book on how to identify edible weeds would help in that department. Things like wild asparagus, wild onion, dandelion, chicory, wood sorrel, clover, burdock (plant that makes burrs), plantain etc are all edible. Well, hunting and fishing would help too. But yes, food is everywhere, just got to know what can be eaten safely versus what can't. That or stocking up on vitamins and such. But they have a shelf life.

[zelmo1234]

I hope you're monitoring the expiration date on those canned goods. They are only good for about a year.

I am pretty Carful and it is a little longer than that, but Yes We grow or Kill almost everything we eat!

It not only taste better, but it is a lot better for you!

[The Sage of Main Street]

I think you are asking way too much of people, LOL

Typical of authoritarians, the OP demands that we submit to a long Libretardian sermon or else we have no right to post. The Gold Bugs are pulling off a Ponzi scheme and will make their getaway from that scam as soon as people start realizing that all they are buying are urine-colored pebbles.

[The Sage of Main Street]

Try some Theraflu and a shot of Jameson :laugh: ... it's Friday

Glad you didn't say that it's Monday, because that would be RACISS!!!

[Dr. Who]

Typical of authoritarians, the OP demands that we submit to a long Libretardian sermon or else we have no right to post. The Gold Bugs are pulling off a Ponzi scheme and will make their getaway from that scam as soon as people start realizing that all they are buying are urine-colored pebbles.

LOL Sage - you do have a picturesque way of posting.

[The Sage of Main Street]

I have a fence post driver, a hand pump well point and about 100 foot of 1.5 inch pipe in the barn just in case.

I have enough food canned to last about a year. and I have buried lp tanks that will run my generator for about a year, and of curse I would not run it all the time. bought some candela and the Coleman fuel lanterns, And then I have a little shiny metal laying around just in case.


And fo curse my collection of brass stuffed with lead! If shit hits the fan pack your bags and head this way!

The Survivalist racket is just another lucrative alarmist scam.

[Heyduke]

I have a fence post driver, a hand pump well point and about 100 foot of 1.5 inch pipe in the barn just in case.

I have enough food canned to last about a year. and I have buried lp tanks that will run my generator for about a year, and of curse I would not run it all the time. bought some candela and the Coleman fuel lanterns, And then I have a little shiny metal laying around just in case.


And fo curse my collection of brass stuffed with lead! If shit hits the fan pack your bags and head this way!

There's two schools of thought when it comes to being a prepper. There's the one school, where you outfit and supply a defensible fortress. In that scenario, it might not be wise to advertize your plans to the world.

The second option is to have wilderness skills and live close to vast wilderness areas; know where the deer and wild pigs and quail are; know where the clean water springs are; know how to identify edible wild plants; know how to build shelters and a concealed fire; know how to hunt and trap without carrying a lot of heavy ammo and complicated weapons; know how to fish with a stick and line and a hook; be immune to poison oak; be tolerant of mosquito bites; be able to survive without toilet paper; have 20-20 vision; be trained to exercise without many calories; know every trail and stream like a coyote; and have a really sturdy pair of boots.

[The Sage of Main Street]

There's two schools of thought when it comes to being a prepper. There's the one school, where you outfit and supply a defensible fortress. In that scenario, it might not be wise to advertize your plans to the world.

The second option is to have wilderness skills and live close to vast wilderness areas; know where the deer and wild pigs and quail are; know where the clean water springs are; know how to identify edible wild plants; know how to build shelters and a concealed fire; know how to hunt and trap without carrying a lot of heavy ammo and complicated weapons; know how to fish with a stick and line and a hook; be immune to poison oak; be tolerant of mosquito bites; be able to survive without toilet paper; have 20-20 vision; be trained to exercise without many calories; know every trail and stream like a coyote; and have a really sturdy pair of boots.

In other words, live like a savage in the Amazon. Why would anyone be proud of knowing those skills? It's also childish, like being proud of becoming an expert at playing tag or marbles.