Anarchist Response to the SOTU

[Ethereal]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=my6bfA14vMQ

NO JUSTICE, NO PEACE!

[Codename Section]

Freedom!

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_vQt_v8Jmw

[Newpublius]

Damn straight-- Fuck you, won't do what you tell me!

[Green Arrow]

You know, that would be a great YouTube event for us anarchist types to do. Since there is the GOP response and the Tea Party response to the SOTU, why not the libertarian response, and the anarchist response?

[Mainecoons]

You can't help but do better than Obama:


As was widely predicted, that was pretty much a nothingburger of a State of the Union (http://www.cbsnews.com/news/obamas-2014-state-of-the-union-address-full-text/), full of phantom executive actions, rehashed policy proposals that have yet to find any footing, pleading with Congress to “do something,” and the flailings of a president fighting against the imminent onslaught of lame-duckery — and kinda’ middling on some of the hardcore red meat for which some factions of the progressive base were hoping (although I have noidea where the whole “close Guantanamo (http://www.buzzfeed.com/andrewkaczynski/obama-wants-this-to-be-year-we-close-guantanamo-bay)” revival came from. Wut.).

http://hotair.com/archives/2014/01/28/the-state-of-the-union-six-down-and-two-to-go/

Best summary of it I've seen yet. Right to the point. :rofl:

[Mainecoons]

OBombedIt got a couple things right. He said that America isn't standing still. That's for sure, it is in wholesale decline on his watch. Well except for the one percent.

Also, he says that climate change is a fact. Yes it is. Since the planet has had a climate, that climate has changed. I guess this is what they teach you in humanities courses.

:grin:

[Mainecoons]

If it is any consolation, the Republicrat response was equally lame:

http://www.speaker.gov/press-release/excerpts-house-republican-conference-chair-cathy-mcmorris-rodgers-delivers-republican

[midcan5]

I was glad to see the child in the OP was a pimply faced boy for only a pimply faced boy could consider that an answer to the sotu.

repost:

I pledge well I sorta pledge that society be free of all infringements on whatever I don't like now or in the future but also if I change my mind I may need to alter my pledge say for instance if my house burns down because of unsafe appliances or some other thing like the firemen never came or a forest fire was left to burn and it burned down my house, and since I dont like structure or rules I want a job where I can come and go as I please, and if sick and unable to diagnosis or repair myself I still want doctors but if they are free like me I may die but then thats ok too for who wants doctors that have to abide my rules and procedures and even use tested medicine for we anarchists can test our own remedies and also I want a car and roads that have no regulation or structure for that would conflict with my belief that we are free and oh yea maybe a doctor will be a volunteer and like me free of government imposed rules regulations, safety procedures I mean didnt we once long ago just do whatever we wanted like hunt animals, and pick fruit from trees, and who needs inspections of this stuff for that would be in opposition to our pledges and rules and regulation and other stuff I still havent thought of also I am so free I dont use any punctuation cause that would mean that I listened to some authority which I of course dont but then these words came to me from authorities but note I am free to use them as I want or not use them just like this pledge preamble and constitution could change without notice or even without being rewritten for it too represents structure and order and form and stuff and thus contradicts our whole beliefs system which isnt really a system .... got it.

[Codename Section]

I was glad to see the child in the OP was a pimply faced boy for only a pimply faced boy could consider that an answer to the sotu.

repost:

I pledge well I sorta pledge that society be free of all infringements on whatever I don't like now or in the future but also if I change my mind I may need to alter my pledge say for instance if my house burns down because of unsafe appliances or some other thing like the firemen never came or a forest fire was left to burn and it burned down my house, and since I dont like structure or rules I want a job where I can come and go as I please, and if sick and unable to diagnosis or repair myself I still want doctors but if they are free like me I may die but then thats ok too for who wants doctors that have to abide my rules and procedures and even use tested medicine for we anarchists can test our own remedies and also I want a car and roads that have no regulation or structure for that would conflict with my belief that we are free and oh yea maybe a doctor will be a volunteer and like me free of government imposed rules regulations, safety procedures I mean didnt we once long ago just do whatever we wanted like hunt animals, and pick fruit from trees, and who needs inspections of this stuff for that would be in opposition to our pledges and rules and regulation and other stuff I still havent thought of also I am so free I dont use any punctuation cause that would mean that I listened to some authority which I of course dont but then these words came to me from authorities but note I am free to use them as I want or not use them just like this pledge preamble and constitution could change without notice or even without being rewritten for it too represents structure and order and form and stuff and thus contradicts our whole beliefs system which isnt really a system .... got it.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-OSbH7zkbWts/T1nsN4yhhBI/AAAAAAAAA_c/eJJVnpSARg4/s1600/exposestraw.jpg
midcan5

when you have to create a strawman to defeat someone else's position that's pretty weak, it's even weaker when you have to dismiss by age or disparage looks.

We could certainly call what you believe old and tired and out of touch with the youth. Oh wait.

Anarchists are communal. We happen to believe that communities can care for each other and don't need to insert the violence and brutality of a corporate driven state. Here I have something from your generation. It still applies.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7qQ6_RV4VQ

[Chris]

I was glad to see the child in the OP was a pimply faced boy for only a pimply faced boy could consider that an answer to the sotu.

repost:

I pledge well I sorta pledge that society be free of all infringements on whatever I don't like now or in the future but also if I change my mind I may need to alter my pledge say for instance if my house burns down because of unsafe appliances or some other thing like the firemen never came or a forest fire was left to burn and it burned down my house, and since I dont like structure or rules I want a job where I can come and go as I please, and if sick and unable to diagnosis or repair myself I still want doctors but if they are free like me I may die but then thats ok too for who wants doctors that have to abide my rules and procedures and even use tested medicine for we anarchists can test our own remedies and also I want a car and roads that have no regulation or structure for that would conflict with my belief that we are free and oh yea maybe a doctor will be a volunteer and like me free of government imposed rules regulations, safety procedures I mean didnt we once long ago just do whatever we wanted like hunt animals, and pick fruit from trees, and who needs inspections of this stuff for that would be in opposition to our pledges and rules and regulation and other stuff I still havent thought of also I am so free I dont use any punctuation cause that would mean that I listened to some authority which I of course dont but then these words came to me from authorities but note I am free to use them as I want or not use them just like this pledge preamble and constitution could change without notice or even without being rewritten for it too represents structure and order and form and stuff and thus contradicts our whole beliefs system which isnt really a system .... got it.



Actually, http://i.snag.gy/X4oQN.jpg

[Codename Section]

I wonder when the Democrats will realize how unhip and old they sound.

[Chris]

I wonder when the Democrats will realize how unhip and old they sound.

About as soon as Republicans do.

About as long as they continue to be elected.

http://i.snag.gy/jRlPQ.jpg

[Chris]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwztaQgv3-Y

[jillian]

I wonder when the Democrats will realize how unhip and old they sound.

i wonder when the so-called anarchists are going to realize how childish *they* sound.

no offense, son.

life has rules.

and not just the ones that pretend libertarians (not referring to you) want.

that does not mean that all rules are good ones and that some shouldn't be changed.

but it does mean that grown ups don't stamp their feet when they get a traffic ticket.

[Chris]

i wonder when the so-called anarchists are going to realize how childish *they* sound.

no offense, son.

life has rules.

and not just the ones that pretend libertarians (not referring to you) want.

that does not mean that all rules are good ones and that some shouldn't be changed.

but it does mean that grown ups don't stamp their feet when they get a traffic ticket.

Understanding that life has rules gets you half way to understanding anarchism.

[truthmatters]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7AEMiz6rcxc

[truthmatters]

nothing to be afraid of

[Codename Section]

i wonder when the so-called anarchists are going to realize how childish *they* sound.

no offense, son.

life has rules.

and not just the ones that pretend libertarians (not referring to you) want.


Anarchy has rules. It's all about rules. The difference is in who and what enforces them. We don't believe in a vicious monopoly of force.

This is what statism brings us in mass scale

https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRu265j3gMkw_Sekh4cHMrF2sf_-t2idkVn_6r45maPAT6IM5e8

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQYu3OpzIi63JSbiE746O2JowfTggmaD kL5CtXRyH9h1L3iAWPPcA

[truthmatters]

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/anarchists


your silly

[Heyduke]

I never watch State of the Union addresses. Inevitably, I hear some of it on the news (radio or TV). I don't have TV at home, but I'm rarely home these days and the places I stay tend to always have television. The thing that glares out at me most of all about SOTUAs, and the only thing I ever really notice, is the forced clapping after every statement. It's comical; the bad acting of the VP and Speaker, one nodding with a well-rehearsed pose of rapture, and the other with the dour expression of a community theater amateur.

Anarchy is a practice, more than a set of beliefs. Many anarchists ignore politics altogether, and discipline themselves in an effort to live decoupled from it.

[truthmatters]

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/anarchists


your silly




an·ar·chist /ˈænhttp://static.sfdict.com/dictstatic/dictionary/graphics/luna/thinsp.pngərhttp://static.sfdict.com/dictstatic/dictionary/graphics/luna/thinsp.pngkɪst/ [/URL] Show Spelled [an-er-kist] [URL="http://dictionary.reference.com/help/luna/Spell_pron_key.html"] (http://dictionary.reference.com/help/luna/IPA_pron_key.html) Show IPA noun 1. a person who advocates or believes in anarchy (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/anarchy) or anarchism (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/anarchism).

2. a person who seeks to overturn by violence all constituted forms and institutions of society and government, with no purpose of establishing any other system of order in the place of that destroyed.

3. a person who promotes disorder or excites revolt against any established rule, law, or custom.

[truthmatters]

guy calls him self one and doesn't know what one is

[Codename Section]

an·ar·chist

/ˈænhttp://static.sfdict.com/dictstatic/dictionary/graphics/luna/thinsp.pngərhttp://static.sfdict.com/dictstatic/dictionary/graphics/luna/thinsp.pngkɪst/ Show Spelled [an-er-kist] Show IPA noun 1. a person who advocates or believes in anarchy (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/anarchy) or anarchism (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/anarchism).

2. a person who seeks to overturn by violence all constituted forms and institutions of society and government, with no purpose of establishing any other system of order in the place of that destroyed.

3. a person who promotes disorder or excites revolt against any established rule, law, or custom.

And back in the day "cool" meant "chilly or cold".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchism


Anarchism is a political philosophy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_philosophy) that advocates stateless societies (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stateless_society) often defined as self-governed (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-governance) voluntary institutions,[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchism#cite_note-1)[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchism#cite_note-2)[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchism#cite_note-3)[4] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchism#cite_note-4) but that several authors have defined as more specific institutions based on non-hierarchical (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hierarchy) free associations (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_association_(communism_and_anarchism)).[5] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchism#cite_note-5)[6] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchism#cite_note-iaf-ifa.org-6)[7] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchism#cite_note-7)[8] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchism#cite_note-8) Anarchism holds the state (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_(polity)) to be undesirable, unnecessary, or harmful.[9] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchism#cite_note-definition-9)[10] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchism#cite_note-slevin-10) While anti-statism is central, some argue[11] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchism#cite_note-11) that anarchism entails opposing authority (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authority) orhierarchical organization (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hierarchical_organization) in the conduct of human relations, including, but not limited to, the state system.[6] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchism#cite_note-iaf-ifa.org-6)[12] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchism#cite_note-12)[13] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchism#cite_note-13)[14] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchism#cite_note-14)[15] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchism#cite_note-Ward_1966-15)[16] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchism#cite_note-16)[17] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchism#cite_note-17)As a subtle and anti-dogmatic philosophy, anarchism draws on many currents of thought and strategy. Anarchism does not offer a fixed body of doctrine from a single particular world view, instead fluxing and flowing as a philosophy.[18] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchism#cite_note-18) There are many types and traditions of anarchism, not all of which are mutually exclusive.[19] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchism#cite_note-19) Anarchist schools of thought (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchist_schools_of_thought) can differ fundamentally, supporting anything from extremeindividualism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Individualism) to complete collectivism.[10] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchism#cite_note-slevin-10) Strains of anarchism have often been divided into the categories of social (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_anarchism) and individualist anarchism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Individualist_anarchism)or similar dual classifications.[20] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchism#cite_note-black_dict-20)[21] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchism#cite_note-socind-21) Anarchism is often considered a radical left-wing ideology,[22] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchism#cite_note-brooks-22)[23] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchism#cite_note-23) and much of anarchist economics (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchist_economics) andanarchist legal philosophy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchist_law) reflect anti-authoritarian interpretations (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarian_socialism) of communism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarcho-communism), collectivism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collectivist_anarchism), syndicalism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarcho-syndicalism), mutualism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutualism_(economic_theory)), or participatory economics (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Participatory_economics).[24] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchism#cite_note-24)
Anarchism as a mass social movement (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_movement) has regularly endured fluctuations in popularity. The central tendency of anarchism as a social movement has been represented by anarcho-communism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchist_communism) and anarcho-syndicalism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarcho-syndicalism), with individualist anarchism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Individualist_anarchism) being primarily a literary phenomenon[25] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchism#cite_note-25) which nevertheless did have an impact on the bigger currents[26] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchism#cite_note-26) and individualists have also participated in large anarchist organizations.[27] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchism#cite_note-27)[28] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchism#cite_note-28) Many anarchists oppose all forms of aggression (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-aggression_principle), supporting self-defense (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-defense) or non-violence (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-violence) (anarcho-pacifism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarcho-pacifism)),[29] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchism#cite_note-ppu.org.uk-29)[30] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchism#cite_note-Anarchism_1962-30) while others have supported the use of some coercive (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coercion) measures, including violent revolution and propaganda of the deed (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propaganda_of_the_deed), on the path to an anarchist society.[31] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchism#cite_note-31)

I know statists love Wiki so thought that would help

[Codename Section]

guy calls him self one and doesn't know what one is

Stay on topic please. If you have nothing to say about our "Fuck you, I won't do what you tell me" and "freedom" and "Obama is a statist corporatist pig sellout" then go to one of the other SOTU threads. :laugh:

[Codename Section]

I never watch State of the Union addresses. Inevitably, I hear some of it on the news (radio or TV). I don't have TV at home, but I'm rarely home these days and the places I stay tend to always have television. The thing that glares out at me most of all about SOTUAs, and the only thing I ever really notice, is the forced clapping after every statement. It's comical; the bad acting of the VP and Speaker, one nodding with a well-rehearsed pose of rapture, and the other with the dour expression of a community theater amateur.

Anarchy is a practice, more than a set of beliefs. Many anarchists ignore politics altogether, and discipline themselves in an effort to live decoupled from it.


We're just pretty much pretending the government doesn't exist. Works out pretty well.

[truthmatters]

for people who hate America

[Chris]

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/anarchists


your silly


Silly is using common usage dictionaries to special plead what you cannot argue.

[truthmatters]

you hate known facts huh

[Chris]

for people who hate America


You seem angry. :-P

[truthmatters]

anarchists hate government in any form.


is that what you want for this country?


Its not what the founders planned huh?

[Chris]

Anarchy is rational not emotional.

[truthmatters]

You seem angry. :-P


Oh you do want to end this country huh?


yeap you will meet some anger for that one.

I bet you get labeled a traitor

[truthmatters]

and there you have it folks


these people on the right want to end this country.


traitors from within ( or maybe these people are not Americans)

[truthmatters]

and what will the real American right do about it?


SCREAM for yet more COW BELL

[Chris]

Oh you do want to end this country huh?


yeap you will meet some anger for that one.

I bet you get labeled a traitor


Read the Declaration. It is the right of the people who created the government to abolish it.

[Gerrard Winstanley]

anarchists hate government in any form.


is that what you want for this country?


Its not what the founders planned huh?
Few anarchists argue against all government. The Founders certainly didn't want this Obama-Bush big state.

[Codename Section]

for people who hate America

Oh waaaaahhhh. I'm so hurt you think I don't love your statist, corporate-owned system.

[truthmatters]

well Im glad you labeled yourself for what you truly are.

You hate the USA.

your the enemy

[Codename Section]

and there you have it folks


these people on the right want to end this country.


traitors from within ( or maybe these people are not Americans)


LOL. Anarchists come in all leanings which shows how very little you know on this topic. Che Guevera was an anarchist. Was he a "rightie"? Emma Goldman? Bakunin?

[truthmatters]

Few anarchists argue against all government. The Founders certainly didn't want this Obama-Bush big state.


your a pack of redicules clowns who hate what the founders left us.

Your the enemy

[Codename Section]

well Im glad you labeled yourself for what you truly are.

You hate the USA.

your the enemy


BYE, FELICIA

http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/vtOOCsuE0nM/hqdefault.jpg

[truthmatters]

your the one who wants to end this government fool.

You stated that


Your the enemy

[iustitia]

your the one who wants to end this government fool.

You stated that


Your the enemy


http://freeisbeautiful.net/wp-content/uploads/Aztecs.jpg

[Codename Section]

your the one who wants to end this government fool.

You stated that


Your the enemy


http://25.media.tumblr.com/4029cd2338277dcd4e58a36ee281a450/tumblr_mns1jbXPdc1s0k8cjo1_500.jpg

[truthmatters]

oh another labels themselves the enemy.

hey what country are you guys from?

[Gerrard Winstanley]

your a pack of redicules clowns who hate what the founders left us.

Your the enemy
The Founders hate you.

[truthmatters]

http://25.media.tumblr.com/4029cd2338277dcd4e58a36ee281a450/tumblr_mns1jbXPdc1s0k8cjo1_500.jpg





Im not going anywhere so you will just have to do whsat you do best.

PRETEND facts are not facts

[Captain Obvious]

Too bad the SOTU wasn't called the STFU.

[Mainecoons]

Well, this is the second day this board has been basically taken over by the mentally ill. Tired of it yet, Mods?

:grin:

[truthmatters]

The Founders hate you.


they are dead.


what they left us was this government.

You want to destroy what they left us.

fuck off

[truthmatters]

Well, this is the second day this board has been basically taken over by the mentally ill. Tired of it yet, Mods?

:grin:



taking OVER?????


by doing what?



kicking your stupid lies butt?

[Captain Obvious]

Well, this is the second day this board has been basically taken over by the mentally ill. Tired of it yet, Mods?

:grin:

Yeah, just like Disney - one or two days is fun but it gets stressful and boring after a while.

[Codename Section]

oh another labels themselves the enemy.

hey what country are you guys from?

http://media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com/736x/4c/74/c3/4c74c3326da65af5d3fb4d6536548c68.jpg

[Gerrard Winstanley]

they are dead.


what they left us was this government.

You want to destroy what they left us.

fuck off
You've done more damage to the Founders' legacy than my comrades and I ever have.

[Mainecoons]

"Your" Possesive--like your house.

"you're" conjunction of "you are."

I wonder if TT has two college degrees too?

:rofl:

[truthmatters]

thank you for admitting you have no rational response to me killing your lies dead with facts

[Codename Section]

Well, this is the second day this board has been basically taken over by the mentally ill. Tired of it yet, Mods?

:grin:

I personally don't mind her trying to borrow some sugar. When she tries to borrow my car I have a problem.

[truthmatters]

I spell for shit


get used to it.

I don't care

[truthmatters]

facts are what I care about

[Codename Section]

thank you for admitting you have no rational response to me killing your lies dead with facts

http://memecrunch.com/meme/OJES/bye-felicia-who-s-that/image.png

[truthmatters]

If your ideas can noit stand up to the FACTS that is YOUR problem

[truthmatters]

your completely stumped huh guys?


facts do that to cow bell brains

[Codename Section]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSYJoWoVnSY

[Mainecoons]

Yeah, just like Disney - one or two days is fun but it gets stressful and boring after a while.

Yes, it is definitely less amusing and more boring all the time. But it really does serve to illustrate my point about where this board is going wrong and it started by allowing a Cigar to run amuck and post tens of thousands of race and partisan bait threads. Next thing you know, half of the posts are being made by an obviously mentally ill individual.

But, hey, it keeps the post count up. Which seems to be a big priority here.

[Codename Section]

your completely stumped huh guys?


facts do that to cow bell brains


Naw, girl. I just don't feel like ruining my day talking crazy. :)

[Codename Section]

Yes, it is definitely less amusing and more boring all the time. But it really does serve to illustrate my point about where this board is going wrong and it started by allowing a Cigar to run amuck and post tens of thousands of race and partisan bait threads. Next thing you know, half of the posts are being made by an obviously mentally ill individual.

But, hey, it keeps the post count up. Which seems to be a big priority here.

Felicia isn't breaking rules. She's posting. Maybe I should be all Obama and ignore the rules and do an executive order?

Nawww, use the ignore button if you don't want to read the ramblings.

[truthmatters]

then ignore me instead of pretending you can make me go away

[Ransom]

facts are what I care about

:biglaugh:

[truthmatters]

Your ideas can not stand the scrutiny so you flail away trying to make me leave?

your really lame

[iustitia]

nothing to be afraid of


http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/anarchists


your silly


an·ar·chist

/ˈænhttp://static.sfdict.com/dictstatic/dictionary/graphics/luna/thinsp.pngərhttp://static.sfdict.com/dictstatic/dictionary/graphics/luna/thinsp.pngkɪst/ Show Spelled [an-er-kist] Show IPA noun 1. a person who advocates or believes in anarchy (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/anarchy) or anarchism (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/anarchism).

2. a person who seeks to overturn by violence all constituted forms and institutions of society and government, with no purpose of establishing any other system of order in the place of that destroyed.

3. a person who promotes disorder or excites revolt against any established rule, law, or custom.


guy calls him self one and doesn't know what one is


for people who hate America


you hate known facts huh


anarchists hate government in any form.


is that what you want for this country?


Its not what the founders planned huh?


Oh you do want to end this country huh?


yeap you will meet some anger for that one.

I bet you get labeled a traitor


and there you have it folks


these people on the right want to end this country.


traitors from within ( or maybe these people are not Americans)


and what will the real American right do about it?


SCREAM for yet more COW BELL


well Im glad you labeled yourself for what you truly are.

You hate the USA.

your the enemy


your a pack of redicules clowns who hate what the founders left us.

Your the enemy


your the one who wants to end this government fool.

You stated that


Your the enemy


oh another labels themselves the enemy.

hey what country are you guys from?


Im not going anywhere so you will just have to do whsat you do best.

PRETEND facts are not facts


they are dead.


what they left us was this government.

You want to destroy what they left us.

fuck off


taking OVER?????


by doing what?



kicking your stupid lies butt?


thank you for admitting you have no rational response to me killing your lies dead with facts


I spell for shit


get used to it.

I don't care


facts are what I care about


If your ideas can noit stand up to the FACTS that is YOUR problem


your completely stumped huh guys?


facts do that to cow bell brains


then ignore me instead of pretending you can make me go away

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[Captain Obvious]

http://i1.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/009/559/stewie.png

http://img.movieberry.com/static/photos/23461/poster.jpg

[Gerrard Winstanley]

Your ideas can not stand the scrutiny so you flail away trying to make me leave?

your really lame
All this thread has proven is that you're a raving liberal. With weak insults.

[Mainecoons]

Does anyone remember what this thread is about? Oh, apparently with the agreement of the Powers That Be, it is about the ravings of a nut case.

With condolences to the OP who actually started an interesting topic.

OK

[Heyduke]

If your ideas can noit stand up to the FACTS that is YOUR problem

Saying that a person hates America and is the enemy is not fact. And, the anarchist that fits tidily into an online dictionary definition box with a bunch of other cloned anarchists is not an individuated anarchist.

Fact...
http://28ocyccvw7v2wef3b1fxdcrfes.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/incredulous/files/2013/12/im.jpg

[Codename Section]

Does anyone remember what this thread is about? Oh, apparently with the agreement of the Powers That Be, it is about the ravings of a nut case.

With condolences to the OP who actually started an interesting topic.

OK

We can get back on it :)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWXazVhlyxQ


Those who died are justified, for wearing the badge, they're the chosen whites
You justify those that died by wearing the badge, they're the chosen whites
Those who died are justified, for wearing the badge, they're the chosen whites
You justify those that died by wearing the badge, they're the chosen whites

Some of those that work forces, are the same that burn crosses
Some of those that work forces, are the same that burn crosses
Some of those that work forces, are the same that burn crosses
Some of those that work forces, are the same that burn crosses
Uggh!

Killing in the name of!
Killing in the name of

And now you do what they told ya
And now you do what they told ya
And now you do what they told ya
And now you do what they told ya
And now you do what they told ya, now you're under control
And now you do what they told ya, now you're under control
And now you do what they told ya, now you're under control
And now you do what they told ya, now you're under control
And now you do what they told ya, now you're under control
And now you do what they told ya, now you're under control
And now you do what they told ya, now you're under control
And now you do what they told ya!

Those who died are justified, for wearing the badge, they're the chosen whites
You justify those that died by wearing the badge, they're the chosen whites
Those who died are justified, for wearing the badge, they're the chosen whites
You justify those that died by wearing the badge, they're the chosen whites
Come on!

Yeah! Come on!

Fuck you, I won't do what you tell me
Fuck you, I won't do what you tell me
Fuck you, I won't do what you tell me
Fuck you, I won't do what you tell me
Fuck you, I won't do what you tell me
Fuck you, I won't do what you tell me
Fuck you, I won't do what you tell me
Fuck you, I won't do what you tell me
Fuck you, I won't do what you tell me!
Fuck you, I won't do what you tell me!
Fuck you, I won't do what you tell me!
Fuck you, I won't do what you tell me!
Fuck you, I won't do what you tell me!
Fuck you, I won't do what you tell me!
Fuck you, I won't do what you tell me!
Fuck you, I won't do what you tell me!
Motherfucker!

[truthmatters]

Saying that a person hates America and is the enemy is not fact. And, the anarchist that fits tidily into an online dictionary definition box with a bunch of other cloned anarchists is not an individuated anarchist.

Fact...
http://28ocyccvw7v2wef3b1fxdcrfes.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/incredulous/files/2013/12/im.jpg

dear fool




killing the government of this country is not being a patriot

[Codename Section]

then ignore me instead of pretending you can make me go away

Girl, we're not the government. No one's trying to "make you go away".

[Gerrard Winstanley]

Battle Of Los Angeles!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ITF4HoRZRY

[truthmatters]

http://freeisbeautiful.net/wp-content/uploads/Aztecs.jpg

four people here thanked this post

[truthmatters]

They seek the end of our government

[Captain Obvious]

Does anyone remember what this thread is about? Oh, apparently with the agreement of the Powers That Be, it is about the ravings of a nut case.

With condolences to the OP who actually started an interesting topic.

OK

http://www.lotustalk.com/forums/attachments/f68/20774d1134590211-hijack-thread-hijack.gif

[Captain Obvious]

This thread is fucking awesome!

God, please let it be sent to the hole.

[truthmatters]

its about anrchy


its a childish response to the failure to understand the facts

[iustitia]

dear fool




killing the government of this country is not being a patriot

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[iustitia]

four people here thanked this post
Then I should probably post it again.

http://freeisbeautiful.net/wp-content/uploads/Aztecs.jpg

[truthmatters]

so explain to me what that means to you?

you seem to think the USA should end

do you?

[Gerrard Winstanley]

so explain to me what that means to you?

you seem to think the USA should end

do you?
Yes.

[iustitia]

so explain to me what that means to you?

you seem to think the USA should end

do you?

That all depends on what you mean by 'USA' and 'end'.

[Captain Obvious]

its about anrchy


its a childish response to the failure to understand the facts

When I changed parties I wrote in on my form "Anarchist party" but they sent me a note telling me I'm formally a registered Independent.

[Captain Obvious]

The "unofficial" anarchist mascot:

http://runfinchyrun.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/11594131_gal1.jpeg

[kilgram]

When I changed parties I wrote in on my form "Anarchist party" but they sent me a note telling me I'm formally a registered Independent.
I have a question: can you explain briefly the process of voting in USA?

- Register: Do you have to register as a voter of a party, Democrat or Republican? Can I register, for example, as Green Party? Or am I Independent?

- If I don't want to register I cannot vote and neither I figuere in the statistics of voters?

- If I am registered as Democrat, must I vote Democrat? The same for any party which I could be registered.

[truthmatters]

if you don't know those things what are you doing debating about what you don't know?

[truthmatters]

That all depends on what you mean by 'USA' and 'end'.


your not an American huh

[Captain Obvious]

I have a question: can you explain briefly the process of voting in USA?

- Register: Do you have to register as a voter of a party, Democrat or Republican? Can I register, for example, as Green Party? Or am I Independent?

- If I don't want to register I cannot vote and neither I figuere in the statistics of voters?

- If I am registered as Democrat, must I vote Democrat? The same for any party which I could be registered.

For the POTUS primaries you can only vote for the party you're registered to (ie: a registered Democrat can only vote in the Democratic primaries). Otherwise you can vote for whoever you want to for the most part - POTUS, state, local, etc.

[kilgram]

For the POTUS primaries you can only vote for the party you're registered to (ie: a registered Democrat can only vote in the Democratic primaries). Otherwise you can vote for whoever you want to for the most part - POTUS, state, local, etc.
Ah ok, I understand.

And as Independent what can you do? You only can vote in POTUS, state, local...

You can be registered as Green Party voter, no? Because it is a registered party. But the example that you gave as Anarchist Party, it is a nonexistent party so they placed you in Independent, am I right?

[Codename Section]

its about anrchy


its a childish response to the failure to understand the facts

http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/yNDpIdb9jiU/hqdefault.jpg

[Captain Obvious]

Ah ok, I understand.

And as Independent what can you do?

Not vote in primaries (there may be exceptions to that though), but otherwise anything. I'm just not affiliated with a certain party.

[Green Arrow]

i wonder when the so-called anarchists are going to realize how childish *they* sound.

no offense, son.

life has rules.

and not just the ones that pretend libertarians (not referring to you) want.

that does not mean that all rules are good ones and that some shouldn't be changed.

but it does mean that grown ups don't stamp their feet when they get a traffic ticket.

Well, when y'all are actually ready to act like grown ups and stop stamping your feet every time someone says something you disagree with, we'll talk.

Until then, acting like you're better than everyone else just serves to piss people off. I know you think you and your side are politically invincible, but one of these days your smug attitude is going to cost you, and I hope I'm there to see you fail.

But you just stamp away and pretend you're the mature one, jillian. As long as it makes you feel better about yourself.

[truthmatters]

so you never intonated you are better than others in this thread?

really?

[Green Arrow]

they are dead.


what they left us was this government.

You want to destroy what they left us.

fuck off

They are dead. Who gives fucks?

[Green Arrow]

so you never intonated you are better than others in this thread?

really?

Nope, because I know better. Been there, done that, got the t-shirt.

[truthmatters]

they left us a government in which we had the control to make it our own.

You see they were much brighter than you are

[Green Arrow]

they left us a government in which we had the control to make it our own.

You see they were much brighter than you are

Right, and me and mine are trying to make it our own. Be honest, troll, you want it your way and fuck anybody else.

[truthmatters]

Your party on the right is the one who cheats in in elections dude

[truthmatters]

http://www.scotusblog.com/2013/01/gop-request-denied/


facts

[iustitia]

Your party on the right

I'm out.

[Ransom]

Your party on the right is the one who cheats in in elections dude

Sour grapes taste sour?

[Green Arrow]

Your party on the right is the one who cheats in in elections dude

I'm a socialist. Right-wingers hate socialists. But, hey, continue. I'm having a good laugh at your expense.

[truthmatters]

http://www.scotusblog.com/2013/01/gop-request-denied/


cheating voters out of their right to vote is UNAMERICAN

[truthmatters]

I'm a socialist. Right-wingers hate socialists. But, hey, continue. I'm having a good laugh at your expense.


so you hate capitalism right?

[Ransom]

I'm a socialist. Right-wingers hate socialists. But, hey, continue. I'm having a good laugh at your expense.

That explains a lot.

[Ransom]

so you hate capitalism right?

May I ask what type of device you're currently posting on, your bandwidth speed?

[truthmatters]

without capitalism there is NO true Freedom for any people.

people MUST be free to make and sell things to each other.

Well regulated capitalism is what the founders had in mind folks

[Captain Obvious]

may i ask what type of device you're currently posting on, your bandwidth speed?

iq<100

[Green Arrow]

so you hate capitalism right?

Hate is a strong word. No, I don't hate capitalism, I just believe I've found something better.

[Codename Section]

Well regulated capitalism is what the founders had in mind folks

LOL. :roflmao:

[Ransom]

Hate is a strong word. No, I don't hate capitalism, I just believe I've found something better.

In Tennessee?

[Green Arrow]

In Tennessee?

It's an ideology, not a physical thing. But no, I've yet to find a socialist community in Tennessee for me. I know there's at least one, but I haven't located them. They run a good deli here in town though.

[iustitia]

without capitalism there is NO true Freedom for any people. people MUST be free to make and sell things to each other.


Well regulated capitalism is what the founders had in mind folks

http://weknowmemes.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/epic-jackie-chan-template.png

[truthmatters]

Prove the founders did not believe in regulated capitalism?

[truthmatters]

http://www.intellectualtakeout.org/content/american-founding-quotes-crony-capitalism



"On this view of the import of the term republic, instead of saying, as has been said, 'that it may mean anything or nothing,' we may say with truth and meaning, that governments are more or less republican, as they have more or less of the element of popular election and control in their composition; and believing, as I do, that the mass of the citizens is the safest depository of their own rights, and especially, that the evils flowing from the duperies of the people, are less injurious than those from the egoism of their agents, I am a friend to that composition of government which has in it the most of this ingredient. And I sincerely believe, with you, that banking establishments are more dangerous than standing armies; and that the principle of spending money to be paid by posterity, under the name of funding, is but swindling futurity on a large scale."
Thomas Jefferson
Henry Augustine Washington


Thomas Jefferson letter to John Taylor (http://books.google.com/books?id=wCK3cmIfRmYC&pg=PA604)

[truthmatters]

The founders KNEW the dangers of unregulated industry folks

[Codename Section]

Prove the founders did not believe in regulated capitalism?

Enlighten us how you feel they did.

[truthmatters]

http://www.intellectualtakeout.org/content/american-founding-quotes-crony-capitalism



"On this view of the import of the term republic, instead of saying, as has been said, 'that it may mean anything or nothing,' we may say with truth and meaning, that governments are more or less republican, as they have more or less of the element of popular election and control in their composition; and believing, as I do, that the mass of the citizens is the safest depository of their own rights, and especially, that the evils flowing from the duperies of the people, are less injurious than those from the egoism of their agents, I am a friend to that composition of government which has in it the most of this ingredient. And I sincerely believe, with you, that banking establishments are more dangerous than standing armies; and that the principle of spending money to be paid by posterity, under the name of funding, is but swindling futurity on a large scale."
Thomas Jefferson
Henry Augustine Washington


Thomas Jefferson letter to John Taylor (http://books.google.com/books?id=wCK3cmIfRmYC&pg=PA604)

I did

[Green Arrow]

The founders KNEW the dangers of unregulated industry folks

They also believed in slavery, but something tells me you're not into that.

[Codename Section]

http://www.intellectualtakeout.org/content/american-founding-quotes-crony-capitalism



"On this view of the import of the term republic, instead of saying, as has been said, 'that it may mean anything or nothing,' we may say with truth and meaning, that governments are more or less republican, as they have more or less of the element of popular election and control in their composition; and believing, as I do, that the mass of the citizens is the safest depository of their own rights, and especially, that the evils flowing from the duperies of the people, are less injurious than those from the egoism of their agents, I am a friend to that composition of government which has in it the most of this ingredient. And I sincerely believe, with you, that banking establishments are more dangerous than standing armies; and that the principle of spending money to be paid by posterity, under the name of funding, is but swindling futurity on a large scale."
Thomas Jefferson
Henry Augustine Washington


Thomas Jefferson letter to John Taylor (http://books.google.com/books?id=wCK3cmIfRmYC&pg=PA604)


Right. He didn't want a central bank or debt or a department of treasury. Neither do we. :)

[truthmatters]

and they left us a government in which we could improve this country as we felt needed.


we stopped slavery because of the government they gave us.


It wasn't just us in the world doing slavery huh

[truthmatters]

Right. He didn't want a central bank or debt or a department of treasury. Neither do we. :)



go get the quotes to prove what you claim

[Green Arrow]

and they left us a government in which we could improve this country as we felt needed.


we stopped slavery because of the government they gave us.


It wasn't just us in the world doing slavery huh

And my friends and I want to improve that government.

[iustitia]

http://www.intellectualtakeout.org/content/american-founding-quotes-crony-capitalism
"On this view of the import of the term republic, instead of saying, as has been said, 'that it may mean anything or nothing,' we may say with truth and meaning, that governments are more or less republican, as they have more or less of the element of popular election and control in their composition; and believing, as I do, that the mass of the citizens is the safest depository of their own rights, and especially, that the evils flowing from the duperies of the people, are less injurious than those from the egoism of their agents, I am a friend to that composition of government which has in it the most of this ingredient. And I sincerely believe, with you, that banking establishments are more dangerous than standing armies; and that the principle of spending money to be paid by posterity, under the name of funding, is but swindling futurity on a large scale."
Thomas Jefferson
Henry Augustine Washington

Thomas Jefferson letter to John Taylor (http://books.google.com/books?id=wCK3cmIfRmYC&pg=PA604)
http://cdn3.berryreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/facepalm.jpg

That's not capitalism; that's mercantilism.


The founders KNEW the dangers of unregulated industry folks

Do you understand that banks were given government charters and monopolies? That IS regulated industry.

The 'regulations' the Founders supported were copyright and patent laws, laws against theft, laws against searches and seizures, protection of private property, a common currency, treaties with foreign nations, and tariffs on imports. They did not support "regulation" of business. Big business can't exist WITHOUT big government to help it. All labor laws, anti-trust laws and outlawing of products are merely state-business collusion that enable the very corruption they claim to oppose. The American revolution was a capitalist revolution against royal innovation, taxes, mercantilism and state-imposed monopolies.

[Chris]

thank you for admitting you have no rational response to me killing your lies dead with facts

What lies, what facts, you've offered opinions like "fuck off" is all.

You seem angry.

[Chris]

I spell for shit


get used to it.

I don't care



Means you're an anarchist then, of the chaos sort.

[Mainecoons]

This thread is a graphic illustration of why this board, since it won't dump the trolls or the insane, needs thread ban. I really was looking forward to getting the anarchist point of view here and instead the thread became about the ravings of a nut case.

This person is so crazy I wouldn't be surprised if we learned some day that he/she walked into a Republican office and killed a bunch of people It really does remind me of some of the reported ravings of these nutty kids that subsequently took a gun to school and shot the place up.

And, like a bunch of monkeys in a cage, notice how TM, Cigar and Exo follow each other around and jump up and down in their (thread) cage.

:grin:

[Codename Section]

and they left us a government in which we could improve this country as we felt needed.


we stopped slavery because of the government they gave us.


It wasn't just us in the world doing slavery huh


The government wrote slave laws. And Jim Crow. And anti-sodomy. And beat your wife laws.

Great government you got there.

All Hail the State.

[Chris]

"we stopped slavery"

"The government wrote slave laws."

That's about all government's good at, trying fix problems it creates by trying to fix problems it creates, ad nauseum.

[MrJimmyDale]

so you hate capitalism right? Your capitalism is the worst that I have ever seen.......
(We are talking about typing aren't we?)

[Heyduke]

A druid strives to maintain a perpetually evolving balance. I have to sympathize a bit with Hobbes, because he was writing within the context of chaos and all-out civil war and a total breakdown of civilization throughout Europe.

Today, as more and more human choices are being overtaken by an overbearing Leviathan, it's a natural reaction to rebel against it. And I don't relish the thought that the Surveillance State will eventually create a situation where there are no secrets, and all human decisions will be made on the basis of reward and consequence, rather than according to conscience.

[Chris]

so you hate capitalism right?


Your capitalism is the worst that I have ever seen.......
(We are talking about typing aren't we?)



She's anticapitalist. :sign10:

[Ransom]

It's an ideology, not a physical thing. But no, I've yet to find a socialist community in Tennessee for me. I know there's at least one, but I haven't located them. They run a good deli here in town though.

You considered Europe or Canada?

[nic34]

Do you understand that banks were given government charters and monopolies? That IS regulated industry.

The 'regulations' the Founders supported were copyright and patent laws, laws against theft, laws against searches and seizures, protection of private property, a common currency, treaties with foreign nations, and tariffs on imports. They did not support "regulation" of business. Big business can't exist WITHOUT big government to help it. All labor laws, anti-trust laws and outlawing of products are merely state-business collusion that enable the very corruption they claim to oppose. The American revolution was a capitalist revolution against royal innovation, taxes, mercantilism and state-imposed monopolies.

Big business didn't get big until the SCOTUS made it that way. Who appointed those justices? Politicians bought and paid for by business....

The notorious 1886 case of Santa Clara County v. Southern Pacific Railroad (http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=us&vol=118&invol=394) is just one in a long series of Supreme Court cases that entrenched "corporate personhood" in law. Justices since have struck down hundreds of local, state and federal laws enacted to protect people from corporate harm based on this illegitimate premise. Armed with these "rights," corporations wield ever-increasing control over jobs, natural assets, politicians, even judges and the law.

We believe corporations are not persons and possess only the privileges citizens and their elected representatives willfully grant them. Our Amendment will reverse the Court’s invention of "corporate personhood" and limit corporations to their proper role: doing business.


https://movetoamend.org/frequently-asked-questions

Now go help us DO something about it...

[Green Arrow]

You considered Europe or Canada?

Not Canada, but the wife and I have considered moving to Norway or Scotland if the shit hits the fan here beyond what living in our own community would help.

[iustitia]

Big business didn't get big until the SCOTUS made it that way. Who appointed those justices? Politicians bought and paid for by business....

The notorious 1886 case of Santa Clara County v. Southern Pacific Railroad (http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=us&vol=118&invol=394) is just one in a long series of Supreme Court cases that entrenched "corporate personhood" in law. Justices since have struck down hundreds of local, state and federal laws enacted to protect people from corporate harm based on this illegitimate premise. Armed with these "rights," corporations wield ever-increasing control over jobs, natural assets, politicians, even judges and the law.

We believe corporations are not persons and possess only the privileges citizens and their elected representatives willfully grant them. Our Amendment will reverse the Court’s invention of "corporate personhood" and limit corporations to their proper role: doing business.


https://movetoamend.org/frequently-asked-questions

Now go help us DO something about it...That's not quite right. The courts may have legitimized it, but business-gov collusion were going on long before that. For Democrats it was Slave Power, and the GOP was bought and paid for by railroad since Lincoln's armies cleaned out the frontier of Indians. Not to mention the history of the banking elites and the heavy use of protectionism to protect special interests of the merchant class.

Big business and big government can not exist without eachother. Government seeks the industrial vitality of business, and business seeks regulation of the market through monopoly of force and elimination of competition.

[Codename Section]

Young Americans for Liberty, some of the responses

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[nic34]

That's not quite right. The courts may have legitimized it, but business-gov collusion were going on long before that. For Democrats it was Slave Power, and the GOP was bought and paid for by railroad since Lincoln's armies cleaned out the frontier of Indians. Not to mention the history of the banking elites and the heavy use of protectionism to protect special interests of the merchant class.

Big business and big government can not exist without eachother. Government seeks the industrial vitality of business, and business seeks regulation of the market through monopoly of force and elimination of competition.

You're preaching to the choir...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kyVD7jVhqKo&amp;feature=player_embedded

[Codename Section]

This collusion of business and government is why I am an anarchist. We come in all flavors. I'd rather have more freedom and the ability to take care of my friends and work together with them than less freedom and being told how we can interact.

[Mainecoons]

You're preaching to the choir...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kyVD7jVhqKo&amp;feature=player_embedded

But you still don't get it that the big government you love so much is half the equation.

[Chris]

This collusion of business and government is why I am an anarchist. We come in all flavors. I'd rather have more freedom and the ability to take care of my friends and work together with them than less freedom and being told how we can interact.

I'm an anarchist not because, as some pretend, I hate government, but because I love liberty. Just another way if repeating what you said.

[Codename Section]

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[Codename Section]

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[Codename Section]

This about sums it up for all of us taken in by Hope and Change and war fatigue

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/t1/1660826_10151931331520197_84919018_n.png

[nic34]

But you still don't get it that the big government you love so much is half the equation.

All economic policies adopted by admins since '81 have to be abandoned to fix the economy.

The system needs an overhaul, not bigger government. We need free markets, not monopoly capitalism. We need to break up business conglomerates and generate competition among companies, especially in the oil and health care industries, to bring down the cost of their products.

We need to get rid of the trade deficit and outsourcing and link the minimum wage with the cost of living.

[Codename Section]

All economic policies adopted by admins since '81 have to be abandoned to fix the economy.

The system needs an overhaul, not bigger government. We need free markets, not monopoly capitalism. We need to break up business conglomerates and generate competition among companies, especially in the oil and health care industries, to bring down the cost of their products.

We need to get rid of the trade deficit and outsourcing and link the minimum wage with the cost of living.

I agree with 90% of this, but I think you're asking the Fox to design the henhouse when it should be the chickens.

[Codename Section]

I look at the 1960's. You had the Civil Rights Movement, the women's movement, the anti-war movement and people were out in the streets making democracy happen and then--JFK is shot, people say Johnson and the CIA had him killed, Bobby Kennedy is killed by a guy who swears our government put him up to it, Malcom X swore that the CIA was after him, the CIA's MK Ultra was feeding LSD and involved with the Grateful Dead of all bands, ...Gloria Steinem was even involved with the CIA!

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/20/books/review/Glazer-t.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

http://www.sfweekly.com/2012-03-14/news/cia-lsd-wayne-ritchie-george-h-white-mk-ultra/

Do we think the government got nicer all of a sudden? Reagan? Bush was the CIA director, Clinton and Hillary are tied to the CFR, Bush Jr and Obama are NSA/CIA whores--look at the spying and drone programs.

The second a movement like Occupy or even the Tea Party gets going they get infiltrated by corporate and government sponsors.

Fixing this system won't happen.

[Chris]

All economic policies adopted by admins since '81 have to be abandoned to fix the economy.

The system needs an overhaul, not bigger government. We need free markets, not monopoly capitalism. We need to break up business conglomerates and generate competition among companies, especially in the oil and health care industries, to bring down the cost of their products.

We need to get rid of the trade deficit and outsourcing and link the minimum wage with the cost of living.



Agree, so how do we do this but by reducing the size of the government that props monopoly capitalism corporatism up?

[nic34]

Agree, so how do we do this but by reducing the size of the government that props monopoly capitalism corporatism up?

This will continue unless the masses, the 99%, revolt and demand fundamental economic reforms.

Occupy Wall Street

[Chris]

This will continue unless the masses, the 99%, revolt and demand fundamental economic reforms.

Occupy Wall Street


IOW, more government.

OWS started there and then toward the end discovered government the problem.

[nic34]

IOW, more government.

OWS started there and then toward the end discovered government the problem.

Become government. Then get a backbone...

[Captain Obvious]

Become government. Then get a backbone...

What a plan.

So we have an ineffective, hugely inefficient, wasteful, bloated, oppressive whore of a government. Your recommendation is to vastly expand it... then fix it.

More liberal brilliance.

[Chris]

Become government. Then get a backbone...

If government's part of the problem then increasing government can only increase the problem. Regulate government.

[Codename Section]

This will continue unless the masses, the 99%, revolt and demand fundamental economic reforms.

Occupy Wall Street

Got infiltrated and where are they now?

[Chris]

Chloe what's the latest on OWS?

[Chloe]

@Chloe (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=565) what's the latest on OWS?

Im honestly not sure. I haven't checked in a while because of school and other things.

[Chris]

Im honestly not sure. I haven't checked in a while because of school and other things.



Which is probably then about where it's at. :-)

[Chris]

Found this: OWS First to Order New Damen Crew Vessel (http://www.marinelink.com/news/vessel-first-order362946.aspx): "Dutch company Offshore Wind Services B.V. (OWS), a specialist in providing crew transfer vessels to the offshore wind industry, is the first to order the next generation Damen Twin Axe Fast Crew Supplier 2610."

http://i.snag.gy/FAgLS.jpg

[The Wash]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=my6bfA14vMQ

NO JUSTICE, NO PEACE!


Fuck yeh, devil dog! Rage Against the fucking Machine

[nic34]

http://assets-s3.rollingstone.com/assets/images/story/tom-morello-remembers-pete-seeger-he-had-a-backbone-of-steel-20140129/1000x306/20140129-tompete-x600-1391030131.jpg

[Ethereal]

i wonder when the so-called anarchists are going to realize how childish *they* sound.

Yes, because self-reliance, non-aggression, and market economies are sooooo childish... :rollseyes:


no offense, son.

life has rules.

Oh, wow, what a profound sentiment, life has rules. Such novel commentary.


and not just the ones that pretend libertarians (not referring to you) want.

that does not mean that all rules are good ones and that some shouldn't be changed.

but it does mean that grown ups don't stamp their feet when they get a traffic ticket.

As usual, nothing of substance, just a heap of platitudinous tripe.

[Ethereal]

nothing to be afraid of

I'm not attempting to instill fear in anyone. As a voluntaryist, I rely on persuasion and communication to achieve reform. But just because I'm peaceful does not mean I am incapable of expressing anger over systemic injustice and ignorance. I feel there is far more to learn about from listening to that song than there is in listening to Obama's SOTU. Sorry if my expression makes you feel insecure, but maybe you should seek counseling for that... :sad: