Everywhere the CIA Goes, AQ Gains a Foothold

[Ethereal]

Before 9/11, AQ was mostly limited to the Tora Bora region of Afghanistan. Since then, they've expanded their operations to Pakistan, Libya, Iraq, Yemen and Syria. In fact, I'd say they are a truly global movement at this point. So, why is it that wherever the CIA goes, AQ ends up establishing a new foothold in that place? Take Libya, for example. MI6 and CIA have been trying to oust Qaddafi for years. After they succeeded, AQ established a new base of operations there, infamously killing four Americans in the Benghazi attack. Or what about Syria? Again, this is another regime that MI6 and CIA have been trying to overthrow for some time, and after successfully destabilizing the country, allowed AQ to gain yet another foothold in a Middle Eastern country. It's pretty much the same story with the other countries. The neo-cons in MI6 and CIA subvert and infiltrate the country in some way, and then AQ sets up shop shortly thereafter. Is this a coincidence? What is happening here? Is the CIA just a miserable failure, as Klapper recently admitted to the country (http://No longer on the run? Intel chief Clapper says Al Qaeda no less a threat than a decade ago), or is there something more sinister afoot?

[Codename Section]

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA%E2%80%93al-Qaeda_controversy

If it is true, we will never know.

[Peter1469]

I think it is incompetence. A NEOCON agenda run amok.

[Codename Section]

I <3 Edward Snowden in a non-gay way

http://noarmycanstopanidea.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/Edward-Snowden-meme-quote.jpg

[Peter1469]

:shocked:

[Codename Section]

I wish they'd go back to feeding people LSD http://www.sfweekly.com/2012-03-14/news/cia-lsd-wayne-ritchie-george-h-white-mk-ultra/

At least then we all get something out of it.

[Ethereal]

I think it is incompetence. A NEOCON agenda run amok.

This is what I hope it is, but it's hard to ignore the CIA's corporate ties and their slush funds.

[Ivan88]

When Americans wake up to the fact that Al CIAda is Al Qaeda, it will be too late.
What ya gonna do when our beloved Talmu-"Islamic" terrorists start doing in America what we so love to have them do in Libya & Syria?
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[Ethereal]

So, before 9/11, AQ was limited to mostly Tora Bora region. Now, they are in multiple different countries and show absolutely no sign of weakening. I think it's safe to say that the war on terror has been a miserable failure at this point. Far from losing, AQ is growing stronger everyday. This isn't speculative, this is reality. You are no safer from an AQ attack than you were on 9/11. That's what our own intelligence officials are saying straight to the public. All this war, surveillance, and subversion has netted us absolutely nothing in the way of tangible results. All the costs are real, while all the benefits are hypothetical. It's about time the American people took back the wheel from the rogues in the CIA. They aren't accomplishing the mission we assigned to them; in fact, they are doing about as bad a job as could be expected. Do results matter anymore?

[Ethereal]

I'm willing to put the AQ-CIA link aside and simply concentrate on just how horrible a job the CIA has done since 9/11. Using any objective measure, they have failed miserably. If this were a football game, AQ would be winning 100-0, yet we have absolutely no intention of changing our offensive or defensive schemes. Does anyone dispute this?

[Codename Section]

I'm willing to put the AQ-CIA link aside and simply concentrate on just how horrible a job the CIA has done since 9/11. Using any objective measure, they have failed miserably. If this were a football game, AQ would be winning 100-0, yet we have absolutely no intention of changing our offensive or defensive schemes. Does anyone dispute this?

I think based on the CIA's track record they are either as you said malicious or incompetent without the ability to learn from mistakes.

[Ivan88]

The CIA is not incompetent. Nor do they not learn from mistakes. And, they have not failed.

They are doing a great job. Trouble with most so called Americans is that they don't really know what the CIA's job is, and don't want to know.
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[Cthulhu]

I <3 Edward Snowden in a non-gay way

http://noarmycanstopanidea.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/Edward-Snowden-meme-quote.jpg

I see things like this, and typically the average guy can get depressed, be overrun with defeatist "why should I try?" kind of thoughts, or just give up and go with the flow and hope they 'never come for him'.

But at the same time, all things have their opposites. The scales always balance. They have great power for certain, but they are not gods. They don't know everything, they can't do everything. And one thing I have learn is that the more moving parts to something that exist, the more parts it has to safe guard against failure.

Proverbs 28:10-



10 Whoso causeth the righteous to go astray in an evil way, he shall afall (http://www.lds.org/scriptures/ot/prov/28?lang=eng#) himself into his own bpit (http://www.lds.org/scriptures/ot/prov/28?lang=eng#): but the upright shall have good cthings (http://www.lds.org/scriptures/ot/prov/28?lang=eng#) in possession.

This monster, is something that will affect many, but it is not invincible. Because this monster takes people to run. People for a number of reason shift their allegiances. And the monster callous approach to life will be what kills it. It will be betrayed and consumed by its own jaws.

http://theunrecordedman.files.wordpress.com/2013/10/snake-eats-own-tail.jpg

And that makes me smile.:cool2:

[Peter1469]

This is what I hope it is, but it's hard to ignore the CIA's corporate ties and their slush funds.

True. I think the corporate interests push the NEOCON agenda.

[The Wash]

Devil dog's going hard.

[Ethereal]

Devil dog's going hard.

I'm just echoing the sentiments of General Clapper: Intel chief Clapper says Al Qaeda no less a threat than a decade ago (http://http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/01/29/no-longer-on-run-intel-chief-clapper-says-al-qaeda-threat-no-less-than-decade/)

AQ is just as big a threat to Americans as ever, says Clapper. I feel like that should outrage people. How can they be just as dangerous as they were in 2001? We've expended insane amounts of blood and treasure in fighting AQ for over ten years and the net effect on AQ has been zero, zero being a rosy assumption? You kidding me? I had more accountability and responsibility as a lance corporal.

[The Wash]

I'm just echoing the sentiments of General Clapper: Intel chief Clapper says Al Qaeda no less a threat than a decade ago (http://http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/01/29/no-longer-on-run-intel-chief-clapper-says-al-qaeda-threat-no-less-than-decade/)

AQ is just as big a threat to Americans as ever, says Clapper. I feel like that should outrage people. How can they be just as dangerous as they were in 2001? We've expended insane amounts of blood and treasure in fighting AQ for over ten years and the net effect on AQ has been zero, zero being a rosy assumption? You kidding me? I had more accountability and responsibility as a lance corporal.

I heard that.

I do not believe that they have that much money, hire brilliant people and fuck everything up by accident. This is a genuine conspiracy, IMO.

[donttread]

Before 9/11, AQ was mostly limited to the Tora Bora region of Afghanistan. Since then, they've expanded their operations to Pakistan, Libya, Iraq, Yemen and Syria. In fact, I'd say they are a truly global movement at this point. So, why is it that wherever the CIA goes, AQ ends up establishing a new foothold in that place? Take Libya, for example. MI6 and CIA have been trying to oust Qaddafi for years. After they succeeded, AQ established a new base of operations there, infamously killing four Americans in the Benghazi attack. Or what about Syria? Again, this is another regime that MI6 and CIA have been trying to overthrow for some time, and after successfully destabilizing the country, allowed AQ to gain yet another foothold in a Middle Eastern country. It's pretty much the same story with the other countries. The neo-cons in MI6 and CIA subvert and infiltrate the country in some way, and then AQ sets up shop shortly thereafter. Is this a coincidence? What is happening here? Is the CIA just a miserable failure, as Klapper recently admitted to the country (http://No longer on the run? Intel chief Clapper says Al Qaeda no less a threat than a decade ago), or is there something more sinister afoot?

The CIA has been screwing with ME governments etc for decades. They have purposely destabilized the region for Exxon glory. They are essentially a highly effective terrorism creation program.