If Mitt Romney had been elected, the recession would already be over.

[Blackrook]

If Mitt Romney had been elected in November 2012, the recession would already be over.

[Cigar]

Thanks for the prediction ... BTW when is that $6.00 per/gallon Gas arriving :laugh:

[Chris]

Why's that? I'd say he would have intervened same as Bush and Obama. like Hoover and FDR, and only prolonged it.

[Green Arrow]

Contrary to all evidence. Fantasy is interesting to me, but I find yours lacking.

[midcan5]

If Santa Claus had brought me the Corvette ZR1, that would have been nice. Now I'm waiting for the Easter Bunny and maybe this year the Great Pumpkin will come too. What does the Great Pumpkin bring Blackrook? You seem to know a lot about fantasyland?

Midcan's history: http://thepoliticalforums.com/threads/15994-Republican-Ideology-the-Past-One-Hundred-Years

[zelmo1234]

It is likely that he would have repealed the ACA and that would have helped the jobs market!

If the Senate would have held out? then it is likely that he would have gave and indefinite waiver to everyone. doing much the same thing.

So this would have helped.

However to say that it would be over in 12 months time??? Not likely, but we would have been much further than we are today!

[Chris]

It is likely that he would have repealed the ACA and that would have helped the jobs market!

If the Senate would have held out? then it is likely that he would have gave and indefinite waiver to everyone. doing much the same thing.

So this would have helped.

However to say that it would be over in 12 months time??? Not likely, but we would have been much further than we are today!


Interesting question. Didn't he champion RomneyCare? So would he have tried to dismantle ObamaCare?

[Peter1469]

Interesting question. Didn't he champion RomneyCare? So would he have tried to dismantle ObamaCare?

Romneycare was a state level initiative.

[zelmo1234]

Interesting question. Didn't he champion RomneyCare? So would he have tried to dismantle ObamaCare?

Well he was running on the Repeal the ACA and let the states decide ! which is constitutional bye the bye!

He also said that he would sign and general waiver day one!

Do you think that he was lying and does that fit his character?

[nathanbforrest45]

News flash this morning. Under Obamacare up to 2 million people will quit their jobs or cut back on their hours in order to maintain the subsidies required to pay for Obamacare. This means there will be even less working and paying taxes to fund this monstrosity foisted on the American people.

[Cigar]

Well he was running on the Repeal the ACA and let the states decide ! which is constitutional bye the bye!

He also said that he would sign and general waiver day one!

Do you think that he was lying and does that fit his character?

Then The American People Voted; just like they've always done for the other 43 previous US Presidents.



Nominee

Barack Obama (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama)

Mitt Romney (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitt_Romney)



Party
Democratic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Party_%28United_States%29)
Republican (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republican_Party_%28United_States%29)


Home state
Illinois (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illinois)
Massachusetts (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massachusetts)



Running mate
Joe Biden (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Biden)
Paul Ryan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Ryan)



Electoral vote
332

206



States carried
26 + DC (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington,_D.C.)
24


Popular vote
65,915,796

60,933,500



Percentage
51.1%

47.2%

[nathanbforrest45]

Yes yes yes. We know the American people were fools and we are stuck with this pox for another two plus years. We are aware of that. Tell me, were you quiet from 2000 to 2008 and never criticized the Bush Administration? Were you silent from 1980 to 1992 during the Reagan Bush administrations? Are we supposed to simply accept being destroyed because 25% of the population of America elected the most inept and Anti American administration in the history of the United States.

You sir are beyond contempt.

[Cigar]

And then ... the truth ...


CBO delivers welcome news to Obamacare backers
http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/cbo-offers-welcome-news-obamacare-backers#break

CBO delivers welcome news to Obamacare backers
02/04/14 05:06 PM
By Steve Benen


If Republican press releases and reports from conservative and major media outlets are any indication, the Congressional Budget Office’s findings on the Affordable Care Act are simply brutal. National Review, which probably published its report before actually looking at the CBO’s findings, ran this headline: “The CBO Just Nuked Obamacare.”

As we discussed earlier, the coverage has been profoundly misleading. Despite what Americans are being told, the CBO did not find that the health care reform law would cost the nation over 2 million jobs. What it actually said is that the law will empower more than 2 million Americans to leave the workforce if they want to, no longer feeling forced to stay at a job in order to have benefits for them and their family.

Why “Obamacare” critics consider this a bad thing remains unclear.

But Michael Hiltzik, to his credit, took the reporting one step further.

The Congressional Budget Office is out with its latest report on the Affordable Care Act, and here are a few bottom lines:

— The ACA is cheaper than it expected.

— It will “markedly increase” the number of Americans with health insurance.

— The risk-adjustment provisions, which Congressional Republicans want to overturn as a “bailout” of the insurance industry, will actually turn a profit to the U.S. Treasury.

Given all this, why are the first news headlines on the CBO report depicting it as calling Obamacare a job killer?


Because a whole lot of congressional offices issued press statements before getting their facts straight? Because a few too many reporters don’t understand CBO reports as well as they should?

This is one of those strange days in which most of the political world seems to have gotten an important story backwards. The Affordable Care Act’s critics have spent the day eagerly touting a CBO report that offers a whole lot of good news for the Affordable Care Act’s supporters – and much of the media has played along in a depressing display.

Indeed, the CBO’s findings – which, again, are readily available online for all to see – actually add fresh evidence that discredits talking points pushed by the law’s detractors.

For Obamacare critics, the law has increased part-time employment over full-time employment. The CBO found “there is no compelling evidence” to support the argument.

For Obamacare critics, the law will worsen the nation’s finances. The CBO found that the Affordable Care Act will actually reduce the deficit by more than $1 trillion over the next 20 years.

For Obamacare critics, the law will force consumers to pay more for health care. The CBO found that the Affordable Care Act’s premiums are even better than originally projected.

For Obamacare critics, the law will cause the ranks of the uninsured to swell. The CBO found that the Affordable Care Act will bring coverage to 13 million Americans this year and 25 million Americans over the next two decades.

Conservatives who’ve spent the day urging Americans to look at the CBO report have inadvertently encouraged the public to review a document that supports the White House’s arguments.



Obamacare ‘Bailout’ Actually Saves $8 Billion: CBO Source: Yahoo Finance

Republicans filed out of a closed-door strategy session today without a final decision on how to approach the coming debate over raising the debt ceiling, according to The Washington Post. But a report issued by the Congressional Budget Office Tuesday morning may help make the decision for them.

Many congressional Republicans believe that they should not raise the nation’s borrowing limit unless President Obama agrees to give them something in return. Approval of the Keystone XL pipeline or a repeal of the so-called risk corridors in the Affordable Care Act are the two items topping their potential wish list. The CBO report might shift the balance between those options because it projects that the risk corridor program, which Republicans have insistently characterized as a bailout of the insurance industry, will probably generate a net profit for the federal government.

The risk corridors are a temporary measure to protect insurers from unexpectedly large losses in the first few years of the health care law’s implementation. Companies that incur costs from medical claims that are significantly higher than expected would be compensated by the government, and those with costs that are significantly below expectations would have to pay back part of that windfall, also to the government.

A joint analysis by the CBO and Congress’s Joint Committee on Taxation found that in the coming years, the government will pay out an estimated $8 billion to insurers as part of the risk corridor program. That will be offset, however, by an estimated $16 billion paid back to the government by health insurers. The CBO had previously projected that the risk corridors would have no net impact on the budget.

Read more: http://finance.yahoo.com/news/obamacare-bailout-actually-saves-8-194100056.html


In addition to Republican lies about the ACA costing 2 million jobs, the so-called "bailout" talking point is also full of lies. The very same CBO report that Republicans cite note that the repeal of the risk corridor provisions that Republicans call a bailout would increase the deficit by $8 billion. Sadly, since Republicans would rather the ACA fail than help people, they probably see this as a good result. Increase misery for political effect sort of like a Christie created traffic jam.



:grin: Yet another Lie ... Debunked :tongue:

[Cigar]

Yes yes yes. We know the American people were fools and we are stuck with this pox for another two plus years. We are aware of that. Tell me, were you quiet from 2000 to 2008 and never criticized the Bush Administration? Were you silent from 1980 to 1992 during the Reagan Bush administrations? Are we supposed to simply accept being destroyed because 25% of the population of America elected the most inept and Anti American administration in the history of the United States.

You sir are beyond contempt.

No I was not quiet ... but I never questioned George W Bush citizenship, or asked for his college grades or ridiculed his wife and kids.

I was totally against the Iraq War then and I'm still don't know why we have one single American there.

NEXT :laugh:

[Peter1469]

People feel like they can go without a job because they now have Obamacare? I know that suckers are born every minute, but come on. :shocked:

Wait to see what the electorate thinks. November 2014.

[Chris]

Romneycare was a state level initiative.


Well he was running on the Repeal the ACA and let the states decide ! which is constitutional bye the bye!

He also said that he would sign and general waiver day one!

Do you think that he was lying and does that fit his character?


I'm just curious what you think on this hypothetical--and many are the campaign promises made...


So you think he would have pushed it down to the state level?

[Chris]

Romneycare was a state level initiative.


And then ... the truth ...


CBO delivers welcome news to Obamacare backers
http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/cbo-offers-welcome-news-obamacare-backers#break

CBO delivers welcome news to Obamacare backers
02/04/14 05:06 PM
By Steve Benen


If Republican press releases and reports from conservative and major media outlets are any indication, the Congressional Budget Office’s findings on the Affordable Care Act are simply brutal. National Review, which probably published its report before actually looking at the CBO’s findings, ran this headline: “The CBO Just Nuked Obamacare.”

As we discussed earlier, the coverage has been profoundly misleading. Despite what Americans are being told, the CBO did not find that the health care reform law would cost the nation over 2 million jobs. What it actually said is that the law will empower more than 2 million Americans to leave the workforce if they want to, no longer feeling forced to stay at a job in order to have benefits for them and their family.

Why “Obamacare” critics consider this a bad thing remains unclear.

But Michael Hiltzik, to his credit, took the reporting one step further.

The Congressional Budget Office is out with its latest report on the Affordable Care Act, and here are a few bottom lines:

— The ACA is cheaper than it expected.

— It will “markedly increase” the number of Americans with health insurance.

— The risk-adjustment provisions, which Congressional Republicans want to overturn as a “bailout” of the insurance industry, will actually turn a profit to the U.S. Treasury.

Given all this, why are the first news headlines on the CBO report depicting it as calling Obamacare a job killer?


Because a whole lot of congressional offices issued press statements before getting their facts straight? Because a few too many reporters don’t understand CBO reports as well as they should?

This is one of those strange days in which most of the political world seems to have gotten an important story backwards. The Affordable Care Act’s critics have spent the day eagerly touting a CBO report that offers a whole lot of good news for the Affordable Care Act’s supporters – and much of the media has played along in a depressing display.

Indeed, the CBO’s findings – which, again, are readily available online for all to see – actually add fresh evidence that discredits talking points pushed by the law’s detractors.

For Obamacare critics, the law has increased part-time employment over full-time employment. The CBO found “there is no compelling evidence” to support the argument.

For Obamacare critics, the law will worsen the nation’s finances. The CBO found that the Affordable Care Act will actually reduce the deficit by more than $1 trillion over the next 20 years.

For Obamacare critics, the law will force consumers to pay more for health care. The CBO found that the Affordable Care Act’s premiums are even better than originally projected.

For Obamacare critics, the law will cause the ranks of the uninsured to swell. The CBO found that the Affordable Care Act will bring coverage to 13 million Americans this year and 25 million Americans over the next two decades.

Conservatives who’ve spent the day urging Americans to look at the CBO report have inadvertently encouraged the public to review a document that supports the White House’s arguments.



Obamacare ‘Bailout’ Actually Saves $8 Billion: CBO Source: Yahoo Finance

Republicans filed out of a closed-door strategy session today without a final decision on how to approach the coming debate over raising the debt ceiling, according to The Washington Post. But a report issued by the Congressional Budget Office Tuesday morning may help make the decision for them.

Many congressional Republicans believe that they should not raise the nation’s borrowing limit unless President Obama agrees to give them something in return. Approval of the Keystone XL pipeline or a repeal of the so-called risk corridors in the Affordable Care Act are the two items topping their potential wish list. The CBO report might shift the balance between those options because it projects that the risk corridor program, which Republicans have insistently characterized as a bailout of the insurance industry, will probably generate a net profit for the federal government.

The risk corridors are a temporary measure to protect insurers from unexpectedly large losses in the first few years of the health care law’s implementation. Companies that incur costs from medical claims that are significantly higher than expected would be compensated by the government, and those with costs that are significantly below expectations would have to pay back part of that windfall, also to the government.

A joint analysis by the CBO and Congress’s Joint Committee on Taxation found that in the coming years, the government will pay out an estimated $8 billion to insurers as part of the risk corridor program. That will be offset, however, by an estimated $16 billion paid back to the government by health insurers. The CBO had previously projected that the risk corridors would have no net impact on the budget.

Read more: http://finance.yahoo.com/news/obamacare-bailout-actually-saves-8-194100056.html


In addition to Republican lies about the ACA costing 2 million jobs, the so-called "bailout" talking point is also full of lies. The very same CBO report that Republicans cite note that the repeal of the risk corridor provisions that Republicans call a bailout would increase the deficit by $8 billion. Sadly, since Republicans would rather the ACA fail than help people, they probably see this as a good result. Increase misery for political effect sort of like a Christie created traffic jam.



:grin: Yet another Lie ... Debunked :tongue:


Interesting spin on the CBO report. Here's another take: 6 Takeaways from the CBO's Latest Budget Report (http://reason.com/blog/2014/02/04/6-takeaways-from-the-cbos-latest-budget)


...1. Over the next decade, there will be millions fewer full-time workers because Obamacare creates disincentives to work....

2. Fewer people are expected to gain insurance through Obamacare as a result of the botched rollout of the exchanges....

3. CBO estimates that Obamacare’s risk corridors program—the provision which has been dubbed a bailout of insurance companies—will result in a net revenue gain for the government rather than a net payout to insurance companies....

4. Taken by themselves, Obamacare’s insurance provisions will increase the deficit by $1.4 trillion....

http://i.snag.gy/QFVjk.jpg

5. Under current law, annual budget deficits will remain roughly equal to their current size for a few years before they start to rise again....

6. The federal debt is huge....

[Cigar]

People feel like they can go without a job because they now have Obamacare? I know that suckers are born every minute, but come on. :shocked:

Wait to see what the electorate thinks. November 2014.

I personally know two individuals who completed their own start up last month, solely because they have Health Care.

Trust me, if you have a family and any one of them have a preexisting condition, you don't take those chances without Health Care.

Not one of these individuals thinks they are getting a handout, because they are paying for actual Health Care.

[Cigar]

Interesting spin on the CBO report. Here's another take: 6 Takeaways from the CBO's Latest Budget Report (http://reason.com/blog/2014/02/04/6-takeaways-from-the-cbos-latest-budget)

Exactly ... I have a friend who owns a small Painting Business and his wife will stop working in June of this year, because he now can get Health Care. The ONLY reason why she was working, was for Health Care ... and because she had to work for Health Care, the rest of her paycheck went totally to Day Care for his 3 and 5 year old.

They both Love ObamaCare :wink:

Mission Accomplished

[Max Rockatansky]

If Mitt Romney had been elected in November 2012, the recession would already be over.

If pigs could fly you and I could make a fortune selling Pith helmets.

http://imageshack.com/a/img593/3687/mlsc.jpg

[Chris]

Exactly ... I have a friend who owns a small Painting Business and his wife will stop working in June of this year, because he now can get Health Care. The ONLY reason why she was working, was for Health Care ... and because she had to work for Health Care, the rest of her paycheck went totally to Day Care for his 3 and 5 year old.

They both Love ObamaCare :wink:

Mission Accomplished


One case? You sound presidential giving a SOTU and pointing out special cases and then applauding yourself.

[Mainecoons]

http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-obamacare-patients-20140205,0,5417742.story?page=2&sc=8518799809940411274#axzz2sSP2eGdj

Note the liberal source.

[nic34]

Why the new CBO report on Obamacare is good news

same source...

http://www.latimes.com/business/hiltzik/la-fi-mh-cbo-20140204,0,3106578.story#axzz2sSRtX7Dk

[Peter1469]

Why the new CBO report on Obamacare is good news

same source...

http://www.latimes.com/business/hiltzik/la-fi-mh-cbo-20140204,0,3106578.story#axzz2sSRtX7Dk

They are still trying to convince young health people into paying much more for insurance than they should so that old sick people get good deals. Let's see how that flies in November. :smiley:

[zelmo1234]

I'm just curious what you think on this hypothetical--and many are the campaign promises made...


So you think he would have pushed it down to the state level?

I think that he would have pushed for repeal, and if he could not get it, he would have signed a Waiver, making the law of the land null and void.

Just like they did with the building of the fence on the southern boarder!

[zelmo1234]

Exactly ... I have a friend who owns a small Painting Business and his wife will stop working in June of this year, because he now can get Health Care. The ONLY reason why she was working, was for Health Care ... and because she had to work for Health Care, the rest of her paycheck went totally to Day Care for his 3 and 5 year old.

They both Love ObamaCare :wink:

Mission Accomplished

When the small business waiver end at the end of this year, all of my employee's will lose there health insurance, and 23 of them will lose there jobs.

They HATE the ACA

For every one person that this law helps 5 are hurt by the ACA. It is a terrible law that did nothing that it promised to do?

Why is it that we can't have something better?

[nic34]

Why is it that we can't have something better?

Ask the conservatives...

[Mainecoons]

You mean the ones who were totally ignored when ObombedItCare was written and passed solely by the Democrats and their health insurance corporatist buddies?

[Captain Obvious]

If Mitt Romney had been elected in November 2012, the recession would already be over.

http://www.rahstar.com/images/talking%20out%20of%20your%20ass.jpg

[Cigar]

One case? You sound presidential giving a SOTU and pointing out special cases and then applauding yourself.

Everyone I know is Special ... just ask them :laugh:

[Cigar]

Something you guys need to get a firm grip on ... ObamaCare will NEVER go away ... it will only get better.

Just like ever other piece of Major Legislation ever passed.

Time to get use to it :laugh:

[Peter1469]

Something you guys need to get a firm grip on ... ObamaCare will NEVER go away ... it will only get better.

Just like ever other piece of Major Legislation ever passed.

Time to get use to it :laugh:

November 2014. :wink:

[Captain Obvious]

November 2014. :wink:

I think he's right to a degree, it's going to be here in one form or another.

I do think it's going to implode on itself once people realize what they've bought into and the gubmint can't force young people to pay for the high utilization of elderly people.

It will collapse and be redesigned into a shell of it's former self but keeping some of the regulatory changes and maybe the expanded Medicaid - which is all that really needed done.

[Chris]

Something you guys need to get a firm grip on ... ObamaCare will NEVER go away ... it will only get better.

Just like ever other piece of Major Legislation ever passed.

Time to get use to it :laugh:

Probably, no matter how bad it gets, it won't go away.

[Peter1469]

It is unsustainable. Once we realize that it will be gone. Sure we will keep the pre-existing condition thing. Maybe we will find a way to not tie insurance to an employer.


I think he's right to a degree, it's going to be here in one form or another.

I do think it's going to implode on itself once people realize what they've bought into and the gubmint can't force young people to pay for the high utilization of elderly people.

It will collapse and be redesigned into a shell of it's former self but keeping some of the regulatory changes and maybe the expanded Medicaid - which is all that really needed done.

[Cigar]

Probably, no matter how bad it gets, it won't go away.

Something for you to always remember ... Black-2-Black Loses :grin:

[Chris]

Something for you to always remember ... Black-2-Black Loses :grin:

And you celebrate all of us losing.

[Peter1469]

Something for you to always remember ... Black-2-Black Loses :grin:
Right. And the voters get to learn a hard lesson. Obamacare. :smiley:

[Captain Obvious]

And you celebrate all of us losing.

You think Cigaro supports the O'bama because he understands politics?

[AmazonTania]

Why the new CBO report on Obamacare is good news

same source...

http://www.latimes.com/business/hiltzik/la-fi-mh-cbo-20140204,0,3106578.story#axzz2sSRtX7Dk

If you are desperate enough, you can spin a 2.5 million net loss in jobs as 'good news.'

Or maybe they're just playing on the ignorance of the American electorate. It helps to read the actual report, instead of reading what others are saying about the report. If it helps, you can start by reading on page 117.

http://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/files/cbofiles/attachments/45010-Outlook2014.pdf

[Green Arrow]

Well he was running on the Repeal the ACA and let the states decide ! which is constitutional bye the bye!

He also said that he would sign and general waiver day one!

Do you think that he was lying and does that fit his character?

Yes.

[Green Arrow]

There are hundreds of threads on Obama and Obamacare. This thread is about Romney and how he would have been as President, so can we get back to the topic?

[Toro]

Had Mitt Romney been elected, the unemployment rate would be 60%.


See how easy it is to spout counterfactuals?