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Bob
02-10-2014, 01:25 PM
Oh, you will want to read all of the article or HOW can YOU support Obama?


http://freedomoutpost.com/2014/02/liberals-compassionate-alleviating-poverty-support-obama/



Things are rapidly changing. Since January of 2008, 1,154,000 Americans have left the labor force joining the ranks of those living in poverty. People continue to leave the labor force in overwhelming numbers as there is simply no work to be found. The unemployment rate among teens is 20% and among African Americans it is even higher. Obamacare, as well substantial over regulation on free market enterprise have all but destroyed any economic opportunity this country once provided. The congressional budget office also just reported that Obamacare will force another 2.5 million people (http://freedomoutpost.com/2014/02/obamacare-creates-incentive-work-less-cbo-estimates-obamacare-will-cost-2-million-full-time-equivalent-jobs-2017/) out of labor participation because working will threaten their subsidies. That is how socialism destroys incentive and motivation while creating dependency.
Oddly enough, the left, who supposedly take such an interest in alleviating poverty and advocating equality, are deafly silent in the face of these dire circumstances. Any position they do take usually entails more support for the growing welfare state while attacking conservatives for offering solutions that may actually work. Again, the left isn't concerned with actually alleviating poverty, they are more concerned with creating a world in which they, as social engineers can pull the strings and determine outcomes. They would rather see everyone equally poor as opposed to seeing an improvement in economic opportunity. To their depraved minds this is fairness.

Captain Obvious
02-10-2014, 01:52 PM
You cannot cure poverty.

Without the poor, the privileged wealthy would not exist.

The Xl
02-10-2014, 01:55 PM
You can greatly diminish poverty with education, a stable and legitimate currency, and with a citizenry that actually wants to fix poverty.

We are 0/3 on those variables.

The Sage of Main Street
02-10-2014, 02:14 PM
Class supremacist plutocracy is worse than a Zero Sum. It actually decreases the pie. The more power there is in the 1%, the closer we get to using only 1% of our potential. Their employees have no motivation to produce more when it makes only the rich richer.

College education is class-biased indentured servitude, which turns off even the talented, since they get no immediate reward for their talent. Such a dysfunctional system is based on the arrogant claim that the rich create jobs for the talented and therefore have the right to expect the talented to sacrifice their youth. Anyone who believes that has no pride, which indicates that he has no talent to make him proud of himself. Anyone deserving self-respect realizes that he creates the wealth of the employer, not the other way around. If we reversed this self-legislated rule of conceited bullies and let the talented make the demands, they would produce so much wealth that they could afford to pay someone $20 an hour for sweeping the floor.

Germanicus
02-10-2014, 04:55 PM
Equally poor. ((: That is negative. Who wrote that anyway? Bill ORielly?

The wealthy must maintain their advantage at all costs. Because without an advantage they would be fucked.

Income disparity in the USA is out of control. It is disgusting.

zelmo1234
02-10-2014, 04:59 PM
Equally poor. ((: That is negative. Who wrote that anyway? Bill ORielly?

The wealthy must maintain their advantage at all costs. Because without an advantage they would be fucked.

Income disparity in the USA is out of control. It is disgusting.

YES With a full 80% of our millionaires being first generation they would have no clue how to make money!

The problem is that they do not pay people, such as yourselves for not taking risks and for not working hard, try those two things and see how fast your fortune changes.

Germanicus
02-10-2014, 05:05 PM
Im not trying to change my fortune.

I want to change yours.

zelmo1234
02-10-2014, 05:27 PM
Im not trying to change my fortune.

I want to change yours.

Of Course you do, I worked hard and made it, and like al liberals you think because you did not work hard, you deserve it!

Beevee
02-10-2014, 06:04 PM
You cannot cure poverty.

Without the poor, the privileged wealthy would not exist.

Brunei would claim differently. And it's Muslim.

http://english.pravda.ru/world/asia/02-11-2009/110246-brunei-0/

Bob
02-10-2014, 06:52 PM
Class supremacist plutocracy is worse than a Zero Sum. It actually decreases the pie. The more power there is in the 1%, the closer we get to using only 1% of our potential. Their employees have no motivation to produce more when it makes only the rich richer.

College education is class-biased indentured servitude, which turns off even the talented, since they get no immediate reward for their talent. Such a dysfunctional system is based on the arrogant claim that the rich create jobs for the talented and therefore have the right to expect the talented to sacrifice their youth. Anyone who believes that has no pride, which indicates that he has no talent to make him proud of himself. Anyone deserving self-respect realizes that he creates the wealth of the employer, not the other way around. If we reversed this self-legislated rule of conceited bullies and let the talented make the demands, they would produce so much wealth that they could afford to pay someone $20 an hour for sweeping the floor.

Apparently you believe in something that is not the topic posited in post number 1.

And at the company that hired the person just out of a higher form of education, the current workers being paid more have experience on the job. Students graduate with all sorts of grade levels as their display of talent.

Let me hit you with my theory.

Those of us who have vast experience see things, probably different than those who have next to no experience. I may be wrong but it is my theory.

So I do appreciate the vast difference in views.

My belief is the damned rich as you probably view them apparently used their own resources to be able to hire others who in your view are paid not enough so you rant that the rich are unfair to the poor or the person whom you think of as talented yet paid poorly.

There are far too many humans for me to make a general rule of some sort as you seem to be trying for.

But my first post dealt with the poor of this country whom it seems to me to be increased by the direct policies of the Obama team who claims they want to help the poor. While the poor get some support by his policies in cash, that did not put them to work. Thus by being paid to not work, they have less reason to work.

Democrats by policy assume they know better than the rest of us and can fix poverty. I claim that since they have tried to pull that stunt, by any reasonable measure, they keep failing. Even Obama has by his policies driven a lot of people out of a job based on the number of actual working. To hell with figures on unemployment, look at the figures of the actual employed and notice the fall in those figures.

Bob
02-10-2014, 06:53 PM
Equally poor. ((: That is negative. Who wrote that anyway? Bill ORielly?

The wealthy must maintain their advantage at all costs. Because without an advantage they would be fucked.

Income disparity in the USA is out of control. It is disgusting.

If you had a machine that could do the same job, why hire the human? Do you call the taxi when your car is parked in the garage?

This social engineering by Democrats is a major problem.

Bob
02-10-2014, 06:55 PM
YES With a full 80% of our millionaires being first generation they would have no clue how to make money!

The problem is that they do not pay people, such as yourselves for not taking risks and for not working hard, try those two things and see how fast your fortune changes.

Excellent points.

I forgive Democrats for their ignorance since I too was once one of them.

darroll
02-10-2014, 07:04 PM
Some people love living in poverty.
Look at the Bums in years gone by.
They were probably happier than you and I.

Blackrook
02-10-2014, 07:14 PM
The problem is that Obama and everyone who works for him is hostile to business and have created a hostile business environment. People are hiding their money rather than risk it in business expansion and hiring new workers. The moment we have a Republican President, businessmen will feel confident again and we'll start to pull out of this mess.

HB Surfer
02-10-2014, 11:36 PM
The single greatest factor of poverty in the U.S.A. is single mothers. Children raised without fathers have a hugely higher rate of poverty, prison, and poor education.

If we want to solve the poverty problem, the best first solution is to fix our families.

The Sage of Main Street
02-11-2014, 12:49 PM
YES With a full 80% of our millionaires being first generation they would have no clue how to make money!

The problem is that they do not pay people, such as yourselves for not taking risks and for not working hard, try those two things and see how fast your fortune changes.

In a rational society, only 1% of those born in the 1% would wind up in the 1% on their own. Not only does being 20 times what is rational put too many undeserving people in high positions, but they also must control how class-climbers can join them. Workoholic money-obsessed zombies getting ahead are a danger to society and only create another layer of oppression. These HeirDads don't displace the Heirheads; they reinforce the aristocratic tyranny.

Risk means stupidity. Rewarding gamblers necessitates that the employees in one of their lucky guesses have to sacrifice their fair share of the revenue they themselves created in order to make up for the risk-takers' massive losses from when they guessed wrong. The employees in their bad bets have to risk wasting their time, money, and career progress.

If a general gambles wildly, like these self-glorified risk-takers do, he's not the only one who gets killed. The captain of the Titanic risked rushing through dangerous waters in order to set a trans-Atlantic speed record. If he had succeeded, everyone would have glorified him for being such a daring adventurer. He would have been the Steve Jobs of navigation.

The Sage of Main Street
02-11-2014, 12:56 PM
Brunei would claim differently. And it's Muslim.

http://english.pravda.ru/world/asia/02-11-2009/110246-brunei-0/

Like these pampered degenerate savages, whose IQs are too genetically inferior to have developed oil on their own, Osama bin Laden was also a bored rich kid looking for a thrill. Before that inevitably happens to these Muzzies, an unspoiled and intelligent people like the Chinese should colonize Brunei and seize its oil.

The Sage of Main Street
02-11-2014, 01:13 PM
Apparently you believe in something that is not the topic posited in post number 1.

And at the company that hired the person just out of a higher form of education, the current workers being paid more have experience on the job.



I may be wrong but it is my theory.



My belief is the damned rich as you probably view them apparently used their own resources



But my first post dealt with the poor of this country whom it seems to me to be increased by the direct policies of the Obama team who claims they want to help the poor. While the poor get some support by his policies in cash, that did not put them to work. Thus by being paid to not work, they have less reason to work.

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If people aren't paid in college, they aren't worth anything. In order to get better employees, we must demand that the corporate parasites pay them to get training. Preparation is the most important part of production. The experience of these amateurs, who worked without pay in college, will never give them an advance over people with talent. Think of Lou Gehrig and Wally Pipp.

A Thread Is Not a Tightrope. However, in your snit you conveniently ignore the fact that recruiting naturally superior people and rewarding them up front to develop themselves will create enough wealth to take care of the poor. Letting the 1% rule us and tell us we must sacrifice in order to serve them by living like little boys in college will only develop 1% of our human potential. The poor are lucky they don't starve to death in a society that has turned its talent pool into a puddle.

Mac-7
02-11-2014, 01:16 PM
The single greatest factor of poverty in the U.S.A. is single mothers. Children raised without fathers have a hugely higher rate of poverty, prison, and poor education.

If we want to solve the poverty problem, the best first solution is to fix our families.

That's blasphemy.

Libs worship single motherhood.

The Sage of Main Street
02-11-2014, 01:39 PM
The problem is that Obama and everyone who works for him is hostile to business and have created a hostile business environment. People are hiding their money. The moment we have a Republican President, businessmen will feel confident again and we'll start to pull out of this mess.

That's how we got into this mess, high-rolling by incompetent Greedhead addicted gamblers. If it was only "their own money" they wasted, how come everybody else lost too? Your Enron paradise was worse for us than Allah's.

The Sage of Main Street
02-11-2014, 01:45 PM
The single greatest factor of poverty in the U.S.A. is single mothers. Children raised without fathers have a hugely higher rate of poverty, prison, and poor education.

If we want to solve the poverty problem, the best first solution is to fix our families.

Bring back orphanages. No foster homes, that's just for a paycheck, not parenting. So is this Whorefare AFDC. If you don't want to pay to raise these spawn of sluts, then mandatory abortions and sterilization should be legislated.

The Sage of Main Street
02-11-2014, 01:50 PM
That's blasphemy.

Libs worship single motherhood.

Libs are the slime that oozes out of rich Right Wingers' trophy wives, just like the Cons are. So you're giving us a choice between two evil classmates. Only slavish peasants who believe in "the rich who are on our side" would choose between the two preppy factions.

Mac-7
02-11-2014, 01:59 PM
Libs are the slime that oozes out of rich Right Wingers' trophy wives, just like the Cons are. So you're giving us a choice between two evil classmates. Only slavish peasants who believe in "the rich who are on our side" would choose between the two preppy factions.



You have to believe in something and the conservative principles this country was founded on sound pretty good to me.

HB Surfer
02-12-2014, 12:32 AM
Bring back orphanages. No foster homes, that's just for a paycheck, not parenting. So is this Whorefare AFDC. If you don't want to pay to raise these spawn of sluts, then mandatory abortions and sterilization should be legislated.

How about instead, we promote families, reward families instead of rewarding broken homes?

nathanbforrest45
02-12-2014, 01:16 AM
The problem is that Obama and everyone who works for him is hostile to business and have created a hostile business environment. People are hiding their money rather than risk it in business expansion and hiring new workers. The moment we have a Republican President, businessmen will feel confident again and we'll start to pull out of this mess.

I disagree. In as much as Republicans of late have been as anti business as Democrats it is going to take more than just a Republican in the White House. It will take a conservative, free market president to restore our exceptionalism.

nathanbforrest45
02-12-2014, 01:18 AM
That's blasphemy.

Libs worship single motherhood.

Almost as much as they worship would be mothers who rid themselves of those pesky fetuses.

zelmo1234
02-12-2014, 04:54 AM
How about instead, we promote families, reward families instead of rewarding broken homes?

I actually think that it should be very hard to get divorced in this country!

And This would do more to turn the economy that anything the government could come up with!

zelmo1234
02-12-2014, 05:03 AM
If you really want to cure poverty then you have to reform the system completely!

Welfare as it exists today would need to end. and those on assistance would need to be required to work 10 times harder, just to get there benefits than if they were to get a job!

Much of this work can be done in areas where there is not hope or quality of life! Imagine a crew of thousands of welfare recipients descending on a poor inner city neighborhood with brooms and trash bags, then roofing windows and paint.

Then given radios and patrolling the streets at night! working 4 12 hour days, just to get there benefits. soon they would find jobs and that would start to bring hope! as people worked to improve there community they would start to have pride. and dare I say it build self esteem!

Then you make sure that you stop social promotion of students in schools, they must learn to be promoted to the next grade.

YES you have those that will refuse and you put the all together in the most fallen down school and you make them fix it up! then you switch the best students into that new building send them to the most run down again, instead of an 8 hour school day they get 10, and if they bring there grade up then they get out of the work program!

Guess what soon they will find it is easier to learn than to labor~

Tuff love is the way that you end poverty, not free lunch! That is why the war on poverty failed!

Mac-7
02-12-2014, 05:28 AM
If you really want to cure poverty then you have to reform the system completely!

Welfare as it exists today would need to end. and those on assistance would need to be required to work 10 times harder, just to get there benefits than if they were to get a job!

Much of this work can be done in areas where there is not hope or quality of life! Imagine a crew of thousands of welfare recipients descending on a poor inner city neighborhood with brooms and trash bags, then roofing windows and paint.

Then given radios and patrolling the streets at night! working 4 12 hour days, just to get there benefits. soon they would find jobs and that would start to bring hope! as people worked to improve there community they would start to have pride. and dare I say it build self esteem!

Then you make sure that you stop social promotion of students in schools, they must learn to be promoted to the next grade.

YES you have those that will refuse and you put the all together in the most fallen down school and you make them fix it up! then you switch the best students into that new building send them to the most run down again, instead of an 8 hour school day they get 10, and if they bring there grade up then they get out of the work program!

Guess what soon they will find it is easier to learn than to labor~

Tuff love is the way that you end poverty, not free lunch! That is why the war on poverty failed!

I think its insulting to say that some Americans are too good to work and deserve government handouts to maintain their comfortable lifestyle.

obama is doing everything he can to destroy the American Dream an replace it with the wipe-every-nose nanny state.

zelmo1234
02-12-2014, 05:54 AM
I think its insulting to say that some Americans are too good to work and deserve government handouts to maintain their comfortable lifestyle.

obama is doing everything he can to destroy the American Dream an replace it with the wipe-every-nose nanny state.

It is what Liberalism has left on there plate! Once again they have proven that there policies are total failures.

If you actually look at them, you will see that they are designed to enslave people in poverty and dependence, thus causing them to vote for those that continue to promise to help them! Democrats need those in poverty, prosperity only weakens there power and power and control of people is what they lust more than anything!

SS, Medicare/Medicaid, Disability, Unemployment, the Educations System, Welfare! All designed to assure poverty for the masses, and disguised by the veil of compassion

The Sage of Main Street
02-12-2014, 11:17 AM
Conservative principles sound pretty good to me.
Money talks and that's the only sound you are hearing, which is hype from hypocrites who don't follow any conservative principles themselves.

The Sage of Main Street
02-12-2014, 11:47 AM
How about instead, we promote families, reward families instead of rewarding broken homes?

The father works 40 hours a week and the mother stays home. With the 1% siphoning off all the money today, both parents are working overtime just to survive economically. Not only do the latchkey kids get no parenting, the birth rate goes down because the couple is too busy or exhausted to have sex.

The rich fear White people and want to turn them into a minority. Our ancestors wouldn't have come here if they weren't defiant. They would have been satisfied to be slavish peasants in Europe. We have inherited those democratic genes; it's about time we start expressing them and overthrow this class tyranny. The cowardly and stupid ruling class is going to collapse soon anyway. We all know that the Chinese will take over if we don't stand up to them with the strength of democracy instead of this decadent and demoralizing Class Supremacy.

The Sage of Main Street
02-12-2014, 12:00 PM
Welfare as it exists today would need to end. and those on assistance would need to be required to work 10 times harder, just to get there benefits than if they were to get a job!

Much of this work can be done in areas where there is not hope or quality of life! Imagine a crew of thousands of welfare recipients descending on a poor inner city neighborhood with brooms and trash bags, then roofing windows and paint.

Then given radios and patrolling the streets at night! working 4 12 hour days, just to get there benefits.

Then you make sure that you stop social promotion of students in schools, they must learn to be promoted to the next grade.

instead of an 8 hour school day they get 10, and if they bring there grade up then they get out of the work program!





Who socially promoted you when you don't even know the difference between there and their? It's annoys me to be preached to by high and mighty hypocrites and know-nothing know-it-alls spouting words of wiseguy wisdom using 5th Grade grammar.

The Sage of Main Street
02-12-2014, 12:03 PM
I think it's insulting to say that some Americans are too good to work and deserve government handouts to maintain their comfortable lifestyle.

Obama is doing everything he can to destroy the American Dream an replace it with the wipe-every-nose nanny state.

Only the rich can afford nannies and their brats spend their whole lives dependent on Daddy's Money to get ahead.

zelmo1234
02-12-2014, 05:55 PM
Who socially promoted you when you don't even know the difference between there and their? It's annoys me to be preached to by high and mighty hypocrites and know-nothing know-it-alls spouting words of wiseguy wisdom using 5th Grade grammar.

Well that is what I pay my executive assistant to correct. I am sure she makes more in a week that you make, Well period! But then if my mistake makes you superior? don't hold your breath for me to call you master!

And one that has NO clue at how a business runs should not throw stones about grammar!

The Sage of Main Street
02-13-2014, 12:44 PM
Well, that is what I pay my executive assistant to correct. I am sure she makes more in a week than you make, Well period! But then if my mistake makes you superior? Don't hold your breath for me to call you master!

And one that has NO clue at how a business runs should not throw stones about grammar!

Bizz Skool is for dummies who should never have been admitted to college in the first place. Dubya has the IQ of a ping-pong ball but has one of the most-desired MBA degrees in the country, which discredits all these Greedhead training centers. All the self-promoted achievements of Capitalism were really from intimidating and freeloading off meek submissive High IQ Cash Cows for Corpies. Aggressive predators don't earn money; they only make money, just like counterfeiters. Don't expect respect from any intelligent people. I hope you're satisfied with having drooling idiots cheer you on.

Many of your employees could do your job; it only seems difficult to you because you have no special mental ability. But most people are wise enough to not sacrifice their personal lives and personalities because of a zombie 24/7 obsession with making as much money as they can, any way they can.