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Chris
02-27-2014, 08:31 AM
Not sure why it is but the following is certainly true: Leftists become incandescent when reminded of the socialist roots of Nazism (http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/danielhannan/100260720/whenever-you-mention-fascisms-socialist-roots-left-wingers-become-incandescent-why/)


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On 16 June 1941, as Hitler readied his forces for Operation Barbarossa, Josef Goebbels looked forward to the new order that the Nazis would impose on a conquered Russia. There would be no come-back, he wrote, for capitalists nor priests nor Tsars. Rather, in the place of debased, Jewish Bolshevism, the Wehrmacht would deliver “der echte Sozialismus”: real socialism.

Goebbels never doubted that he was a socialist. He understood Nazism to be a better and more plausible form of socialism than that propagated by Lenin. Instead of spreading itself across different nations, it would operate within the unit of the Volk.

So total is the cultural victory of the modern Left that the merely to recount this fact is jarring. But few at the time would have found it especially contentious. As George Watson put it in The Lost Literature of Socialism:



It is now clear beyond all reasonable doubt that Hitler and his associates believed they were socialists, and that others, including democratic socialists, thought so too.

The clue is in the name. Subsequent generations of Leftists have tried to explain away the awkward nomenclature of the National Socialist German Workers’ Party as either a cynical PR stunt or an embarrassing coincidence. In fact, the name meant what it said.

Hitler told Hermann Rauschning, a Prussian who briefly worked for the Nazis before rejecting them and fleeing the country, that he had admired much of the thinking of the revolutionaries he had known as a young man; but he felt that they had been talkers, not doers. “I have put into practice what these peddlers and pen pushers have timidly begun,” he boasted, adding that “the whole of National Socialism” was “based on Marx”.

Marx’s error, Hitler believed, had been to foster class war instead of national unity – to set workers against industrialists instead of conscripting both groups into a corporatist order. His aim, he told his economic adviser, Otto Wagener, was to “convert the German Volk to socialism without simply killing off the old individualists” – by which he meant the bankers and factory owners who could, he thought, serve socialism better by generating revenue for the state. “What Marxism, Leninism and Stalinism failed to accomplish,” he told Wagener, “we shall be in a position to achieve.”


The author goes on to consider why leftist are upset by history:


Leftist readers may by now be seething. Whenever I touch on this subject, it elicits an almost berserk reaction from people who think of themselves as progressives and see anti-fascism as part of their ideology. Well, chaps, maybe now you know how we conservatives feel when you loosely associate Nazism with “the Right”.

To be absolutely clear, I don’t believe that modern Leftists have subliminal Nazi leanings, or that their loathing of Hitler is in any way feigned. That’s not my argument. What I want to do, by holding up the mirror, is to take on the equally false idea that there is an ideological continuum between free-marketers and fascists.

The idea that Nazism is a more extreme form of conservatism has insinuated its way into popular culture. You hear it, not only when spotty students yell “fascist” at Tories, but when pundits talk of revolutionary anti-capitalist parties, such as the BNP and Golden Dawn, as “far Right”.

What is it based on, this connection? Little beyond a jejune sense that Left-wing means compassionate and Right-wing means nasty and fascists are nasty.

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Ravi
02-27-2014, 08:55 AM
Ah, how some love revisionist history. Hermann Rauschning has been thoroughly discredited as a fraud who made up the quotes he attributed to Hitler.

On the other hand, Hitler himself wrote about his views on Marxism in his book.




In the years 1913 and 1914 I expressed my opinion for the first time in various circles, some of which are now members of the National Socialist Movement, that the problem of how the future of the German nation can be secured is the problem of how Marxism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marxism) can be exterminated.





— Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf






In this way the struggle against the present State was placed on a higher plane than that of petty revenge and small conspiracies. It was elevated to the level of a spiritual struggle on behalf of a WELTANSCHAUUNG, for the destruction of Marxism in all its shapes and forms.





— Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf






In view of the complete subordination of the present State to Marxism, the National Socialist Movement feels all the more bound not only to prepare the way for the triumph of its idea by appealing to the reason and understanding of the public but also to take upon itself the responsibility of organizing its own defence against the terror of the International (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_International), which is intoxicated with its own victory.





— Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf

Chris
02-27-2014, 09:00 AM
Ah, how some love revisionist history. Hermann Rauschning has been thoroughly discredited as a fraud who made up the quotes he attributed to Hitler.

On the other hand, Hitler himself wrote about his views on Marxism in his book.




In the years 1913 and 1914 I expressed my opinion for the first time in various circles, some of which are now members of the National Socialist Movement, that the problem of how the future of the German nation can be secured is the problem of how Marxism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marxism) can be exterminated.





— Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf






In this way the struggle against the present State was placed on a higher plane than that of petty revenge and small conspiracies. It was elevated to the level of a spiritual struggle on behalf of a WELTANSCHAUUNG, for the destruction of Marxism in all its shapes and forms.





— Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf






In view of the complete subordination of the present State to Marxism, the National Socialist Movement feels all the more bound not only to prepare the way for the triumph of its idea by appealing to the reason and understanding of the public but also to take upon itself the responsibility of organizing its own defence against the terror of the International (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_International), which is intoxicated with its own victory.





— Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf






All true, ravi, and already posted in the OP, had you bothered to read past the headline:


Hitler told Hermann Rauschning, a Prussian who briefly worked for the Nazis before rejecting them and fleeing the country, that he had admired much of the thinking of the revolutionaries he had known as a young man; but he felt that they had been talkers, not doers. “I have put into practice what these peddlers and pen pushers have timidly begun,” he boasted, adding that “the whole of National Socialism” was “based on Marx”.

Marx’s error, Hitler believed, had been to foster class war instead of national unity – to set workers against industrialists instead of conscripting both groups into a corporatist order. His aim, he told his economic adviser, Otto Wagener, was to “convert the German Volk to socialism without simply killing off the old individualists” – by which he meant the bankers and factory owners who could, he thought, serve socialism better by generating revenue for the state. “What Marxism, Leninism and Stalinism failed to accomplish,” he told Wagener, “we shall be in a position to achieve.”

IOW, for Hitler, Nazism was socialism not at the global but the national level. Naturally the two socialist factions were antagonistic.

Ravi
02-27-2014, 09:04 AM
The little part in red that you are so proud of comes from Rauschning, the discredited fabricator.

Confirmation bias bites you on the ass. Again.

Chris
02-27-2014, 09:12 AM
The little part in red that you are so proud of comes from Rauschning, the discredited fabricator.

Confirmation bias bites you on the ass. Again.

Proud of? Why are you always making things up, ravi?

BTW, it came from Hitler. Those are Hitler's words.

Peter1469
02-27-2014, 10:39 AM
If you are a Marxist you can legitimately refer to Nazis as right. Otherwise, you are just confused.

Chris
02-27-2014, 10:45 AM
If you are a Marxist you can legitimately refer to Nazis as right. Otherwise, you are just confused.

Marxist right wing, sure, simply because of the distinction between national and global goals.

Thing is the global goals of leftwing Marxist never went beyond national boundaries either--Soviet Union, China, Cuba, Argentina, North Korea.

And the claim in the OP is merely Naziism's Marxist/socialist roots.

Politically, there's little difference between right and left wings in US government today.