The GOP And The Next Presidential Election.

[Philly Rabbit]

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Hillary Clinton's 2016 presidential election victory is eminent. In fact it is my belief that Hillary's victory will be a landslide. The Democratic strategy reaches far beyond Barrack Obama and his healthcare, far beyond the current makeup of their Democratic voting blocs, far beyond Eric Holder's partisan Justice Department and amnesty for the illegals. It is entrenched for the foreseeable future and an important part of it is Hillary's rise from the outer circle of the Washington clique of Obama insiders to her presidential run and victory as an outsider ready to assume the presidency and repair the deliberately on purpose failed hope of Obama care with a single payer solution and what will deliberately appear as a different course for the entitlement entrenched population.


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But what of the GOP if conservatives manage to overtake the party's inner eastern liberal circle and through grass roots efforts and donations in the mega millions from the heartland either secure the nomination for president of either libertarian Rand Paul or tea party conservative Ted Cruz? The immediate response from the republican establishment will be a condemnation of conservatives who fought hard and worked diligently to get either of the two the nomination. This will be the moment of truth for those conservatives who must not allow the party's inner circle to extinguish them to the lower depths of the political abyss where the ghosts of Barry Goldwater's failed campaign of decades ago still reside.
The republican party's next national defeat as it has witnessed it's own demise with election defeats following one after another will either be it's total capitulation from within or its own salvation as a conservative party that went down fighting leaving a glimmer of hope still present on the national political scene.

[Captain Obvious]

The GOP incurred too much self-inflicted damage that won't be controlled by the time the next election rolls around.

Unless there is some sort of major catastrophe (like a total implosion with O'bamacare - which could happen), the Democrats have a shoo-in for POTUS next term.

No matter how loud the RW bucket brigade screams BENGHAZI!!!!

[Polecat]

What if Michelle runs?

[Common]

I dont believe Hillary is a shoo in for potus or even a shoo in for the nomination yet. Hillary has alot of baggage, age being one of them and whole list of other stuff, like the foster death, bills romps, she being the first to pass universal healthcare and on and on. That might all be faded memories to us, but come time to win POTUS all that comes out of mothballs the dust shaken off and public it goes in attack ads.

The far right has huge issues trying to win POTUS plainly said there are just not enough of them to elect the likes of Ted Cruz he will scare the crap put of moderate republicans and independents. Rand Paul has a better chance but when hes confronted with direct questions he cant avoid, he will either lie and get blasted for lieing or tell the truth and get blasted for his stance, especially social stances that will turn off moderates.

Listen up far left liberals and far right conservatives like it or lump it Moderates and Independents decide who is Potus.

[Philly Rabbit]

The GOP incurred too much self-inflicted damage that won't be controlled by the time the next election rolls around.

Unless there is some sort of major catastrophe (like a total implosion with O'bamacare - which could happen), the Democrats have a shoo-in for POTUS next term.

No matter how loud the RW bucket brigade screams BENGHAZI!!!!

I agree with you. The GOP has been obsessed with old guys who try to copycat the democrats. But where I disagree is on Obama care that in my opinion was designed to deliberately fail as is. Hillary the perceived outsider will then arrive with a single payer solution to the whole problem.

This has been all carefully planned by the democrats right down to the smallest detail and it's purpose is to entrench the Democratic party with the majority of power for the foreseeable future.

[Captain Obvious]

I agree with you. The GOP has been obsessed with old guys who try to copycat the democrats. But where I disagree is on Obama care that in my opinion was designed to deliberately fail as is. Hillary the perceived outsider will then arrive with a single payer solution to the whole problem.

This has been all carefully planned by the democrats right down to the smallest detail and it's purpose is to entrench the Democratic party for the foreseeable future.

The GOP keeps electing the same old stale, yesterday's chopped liver candidates. Newt, Santorum, Romney, Palin maybe. Paul is a fraud, it's the same old recycled shit time and time again.

The only people who get excited about these candidates are bucket brigaders and the institutionalized.

[Common]

The gop rails incessantly about obama being president. Hes president because of the teaparty, he has them to thank for winning both elections.

The teaparty and the net political forums far right went nuts when McCain/Palin ran for potus. They all ranted and raved they werent going to vote, they werent voting for the Rino, they ran McCain in the dirt, they said he was too old and too liberal to be potus.

MORONS, you did this to yourselves. Even being a rino, even if youre so far right you think McCains a liberal and you didnt vote for him, then Obama is YOUR FAULT. If the right would have supported McCain you would not have had an Obama president. The conservative nutcases gave Obama his second term. Blame yourselves

[Ravi]

I agree with you. The GOP has been obsessed with old guys who try to copycat the democrats. But where I disagree is on Obama care that in my opinion was designed to deliberately fail as is. Hillary the perceived outsider will then arrive with a single payer solution to the whole problem.

This has been all carefully planned by the democrats right down to the smallest detail and it's purpose is to entrench the Democratic party with the majority of power for the foreseeable future.

Damn, the dems are geniuses!

[Captain Obvious]

Damn, the dems are geniuses!

It's actually more like advancing by standing still while everyone else takes a step back.

[Bob]

The gop rails incessantly about obama being president. Hes president because of the teaparty, he has them to thank for winning both elections.

The teaparty and the net political forums far right went nuts when McCain/Palin ran for potus. They all ranted and raved they werent going to vote, they werent voting for the Rino, they ran McCain in the dirt, they said he was too old and too liberal to be potus.

MORONS, you did this to yourselves. Even being a rino, even if youre so far right you think McCains a liberal and you didnt vote for him, then Obama is YOUR FAULT. If the right would have supported McCain you would not have had an Obama president. The conservative nutcases gave Obama his second term. Blame yourselves

It seems to me that Obama had about 5 million less voting for him vs Romney than he did when he ran vs McCain.

Democrats really expected Obama to hire them, to pay for fuel, home payments and save their asses.

When he failed, about 5 million stayed home rather than vote for anybody.

I was for Bush and not McCain. of all republicans that ran for President, to me McCain was our worst gamble.

Say, why is it that the left always refuses to discuss the very bitter fight between the Clinton machine vs the Obama machine?

[Bob]

The GOP keeps electing the same old stale, yesterday's chopped liver candidates. Newt, Santorum, Romney, Palin maybe. Paul is a fraud, it's the same old recycled shit time and time again.

The only people who get excited about these candidates are bucket brigaders and the institutionalized.

For 12 years of Reagan /Bush, all you people did on the left was whine. Could you recover you wanted to know. Could you fuck the public again, you prayed to find out. Could you fool the Americans yet again, you inquired. You did it during GW Bush as well. Clinton only helped you fuck us for 8 years.

Well, you found a master bull shitter so you now understand what it takes to fuck the public and fool them.

[Bob]

I dont believe Hillary is a shoo in for potus or even a shoo in for the nomination yet. Hillary has alot of baggage, age being one of them and whole list of other stuff, like the foster death, bills romps, she being the first to pass universal healthcare and on and on. That might all be faded memories to us, but come time to win POTUS all that comes out of mothballs the dust shaken off and public it goes in attack ads.

The far right has huge issues trying to win POTUS plainly said there are just not enough of them to elect the likes of Ted Cruz he will scare the crap put of moderate republicans and independents. Rand Paul has a better chance but when hes confronted with direct questions he cant avoid, he will either lie and get blasted for lieing or tell the truth and get blasted for his stance, especially social stances that will turn off moderates.

Listen up far left liberals and far right conservatives like it or lump it Moderates and Independents decide who is Potus.

Do you think of Reagan as a moderate or Independent?

[Bob]

The GOP incurred too much self-inflicted damage that won't be controlled by the time the next election rolls around.

Unless there is some sort of major catastrophe (like a total implosion with O'bamacare - which could happen), the Democrats have a shoo-in for POTUS next term.

No matter how loud the RW bucket brigade screams BENGHAZI!!!!

Democrats are not held in high esteem other than by the nutbags.

They understand socialism so support it.

Nope, Obama shit his nest and I don't believe the public can be fooled again quite this soon. But they will be fooled by democrats in the future.

[Captain Obvious]

For 12 years of Reagan /Bush, all you people did on the left was whine. Could you recover you wanted to know. Could you fuck the public again, you prayed to find out. Could you fool the Americans yet again, you inquired. You did it during GW Bush as well. Clinton only helped you fuck us for 8 years.

Well, you found a master bull shitter so you now understand what it takes to fuck the public and fool them.

12 years?

:biglaugh:

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[Bob]

Hillary Clinton's 2016 presidential election victory is eminent. In fact it is my belief that Hillary's victory will be a landslide. The Democratic strategy reaches far beyond Barrack Obama and his healthcare, far beyond the current makeup of their Democratic voting blocs, far beyond Eric Holder's partisan Justice Department and amnesty for the illegals. It is entrenched for the foreseeable future and an important part of it is Hillary's rise from the outer circle of the Washington clique of Obama insiders to her presidential run and victory as an outsider ready to assume the presidency and repair the deliberately on purpose failed hope of Obama care with a single payer solution and what will deliberately appear as a different course for the entitlement entrenched population.

First, we know the media adores her, wants her to run, but who has actually got her consent to run?

She was shit on before by the Democrats. They wanted a master Bull Shitter not a person who would say "so what" when tasked to fess up about a major disaster involving the brutal death of a US Ambassador.

Can she fool the public?

Don't know. She could not fool Democrats the last time she tried.

She is rewashed used clothing.

[Bob]

12 years?

:biglaugh:



Reagan two terms comes to 8 of them

Bush for his 4 years then he lost to Clinton

So, yes, it was 12 years.

[Common]

It seems to me that Obama had about 5 million less voting for him vs Romney than he did when he ran vs McCain.

Democrats really expected Obama to hire them, to pay for fuel, home payments and save their asses.

When he failed, about 5 million stayed home rather than vote for anybody.

I was for Bush and not McCain. of all republicans that ran for President, to me McCain was our worst gamble.

Say, why is it that the left always refuses to discuss the very bitter fight between the Clinton machine vs the Obama machine?

I dont know what obama hillary fight has to do with the obama being president because of the teaparty. Obama beat hillary because he appealed to the youth and like all good BSer politicians he said the right things. Its the same with both party candidates

[Common]

Do you think of Reagan as a moderate or Independent?


Reagan was no moderate or independent for his "ERA" he was far right.

He gave the rich a HUGE tax cut and paid for it by giving the middleclass a huge tax hike in social security,the revenue raised by the increase on the middleclass more than paid for the huge tax cut for the rich.

He screwed all the air traffic controllers, reagan was as popular as he was because he followed the biggest idiot we ever had as president Jimmy Carter, after a year fiasco of Iran holding our hostages and degrading us in front of the world, then after months of holding his ass, carter finally decides to try and rescue them and the military rescue fails miserably because of a equipt failure. Couple that with the BIG OIL created ail shortages and odd even day fillups, americans were at the lowest morale I can ever remember, any president would have been a hero who ended that iran hostage crisis.
I loved reagan for that.

[Common]

For 12 years of Reagan /Bush, all you people did on the left was whine. Could you recover you wanted to know. Could you fuck the public again, you prayed to find out. Could you fool the Americans yet again, you inquired. You did it during GW Bush as well. Clinton only helped you fuck us for 8 years.

Well, you found a master bull shitter so you now understand what it takes to fuck the public and fool them.


Lol, you mean like the far right has been whining for the last 5 yrs incessantly non stop. Listen bob, this is simple, the pendulum swings right, then the pendulum swings left, left - right -left -right, get it ?

[Bob]

Lol, you mean like the far right has been whining for the last 5 yrs incessantly non stop. Listen bob, this is simple, the pendulum swings right, then the pendulum swings left, left - right -left -right, get it ?

I could have stood Obama had he any form at all of experience.

I mean that.

I feel this way. Were I to hop onto any commercial aircraft, the pilot must have a lot of experience and hold a license or I won't board that airplane.

I won't go to sea when the ship captain has no experience. It is dangerous.

Presidents must meet a minimum of hands on experience over governments.

Cities at least get it rolling. But Governors have the best training.

Being a Senator only means you were on committees.

Obama never was qualified and though he has some time in the office, just like CEOS who get the boot for running down a company, Obama deserves the boot right now.

And the public is well aware of his failures. His job rating is in the toilet.

So, don't blame me. I am part of the public.

As to your claims it goes back and forth, of course that is right. But the public who ought not vote for president still will vote for them. It is a mistake to waste all that money during campaigns on the public.

To be blunt, I don't put nearly as much emphasis on president as most seem to put.

To me, he is just like the guy in charge of Coca Cola who is the guy named to head the workers. Goverment workers may have good hearts, but as to work habits, they are not that hot.

The typical American Joe lunch-bucket has little clue what presidents do. So to vote for them makes no sense.

I could post a test to find out what the readers think presidents do and I bet they would flunk a test.

[Common]

Democrats are not held in high esteem other than by the nutbags.

They understand socialism so support it.

Nope, Obama shit his nest and I don't believe the public can be fooled again quite this soon. But they will be fooled by democrats in the future.

Who holds Ted Cruz in high esteem lol

[Common]

I could have stood Obama had he any form at all of experience.

I mean that.

I feel this way. Were I to hop onto any commercial aircraft, the pilot must have a lot of experience and hold a license or I won't board that airplane.

I won't go to sea when the ship captain has no experience. It is dangerous.

Presidents must meet a minimum of hands on experience over governments.

Cities at least get it rolling. But Governors have the best training.

Being a Senator only means you were on committees.

Obama never was qualified and though he has some time in the office, just like CEOS who get the boot for running down a company, Obama deserves the boot right now.

And the public is well aware of his failures. His job rating is in the toilet.

So, don't blame me. I am part of the public.

As to your claims it goes back and forth, of course that is right. But the public who ought not vote for president still will vote for them. It is a mistake to waste all that money during campaigns on the public.

To be blunt, I don't put nearly as much emphasis on president as most seem to put.

To me, he is just like the guy in charge of Coca Cola who is the guy named to head the workers. Goverment workers may have good hearts, but as to work habits, they are not that hot.

The typical American Joe lunch-bucket has little clue what presidents do. So to vote for them makes no sense.

I could post a test to find out what the readers think presidents do and I bet they would flunk a test.


All this is moot bob, you dont make the rules and the rules are already set

[Bob]

Reagan was no moderate or independent for his "ERA" he was far right.

He gave the rich a HUGE tax cut and paid for it by giving the middleclass a huge tax hike in social security,the revenue raised by the increase on the middleclass more than paid for the huge tax cut for the rich.

He screwed all the air traffic controllers, reagan was as popular as he was because he followed the biggest idiot we ever had as president Jimmy Carter, after a year fiasco of Iran holding our hostages and degrading us in front of the world, then after months of holding his ass, carter finally decides to try and rescue them and the military rescue fails miserably because of a equipt failure. Couple that with the BIG OIL created ail shortages and odd even day fillups, americans were at the lowest morale I can ever remember, any president would have been a hero who ended that iran hostage crisis.
I loved reagan for that.


Reagan no more made tax policy than Obama crafted the Affordable Care Act he takes full credit for.

Reagan turned in his ideas to congress and prayed to god Congress would listen to him and do what he felt was right for the country.

As to FAR right, not one bit. Reagan was very much in favor of the entire public. This makes him more a moderate or centrist.

Reagan saved all of us tons of tax money. While the Rich did make out, so did the rest of us.

When Reagan accepted a law and signed it, it does not hint he fully agreed with it. The Veto power was his, but one may want 70 percent of what a law says and take it because he figures he can't get the rest to pass.

The air traffic controllers fucked over Reagan so he fired them. I voted for Carter and all Democrats prior to him including the vaunted John Kennedy. I was one dumb fuck since I really did not have clue one what presidents do nor did I seem to care. I was like 99 percent of Democrats who fucked off by sticking to the party line and electing them merely because supposedly we loved the poor and the other guys hated us and loved the rich.

That was so much bull shit that once I recovered from being a Democrat, and learned the truth, i was ashamed I had voted for any Democrat. On this forum, rare are those of us who both voted against Reagan only to later vote for him.

Carter should have been able to be a good president. It was not that he lacked experience. He had it in Georgia. Some who know more about Carter than I happen to know believe that when he got to DC, he had the deluded belief that as president, he was to be obeyed by congress to a large degree. He figured he had the public backing and by god, what he wanted was what the public wanted so the GD congress better well listen to him and do as told.

Congress as I understand this said, hey fucker, go fuck yourself. Congress does not work that way. Carter had nobody at the top level who much understood how it works in DC. Even Obama made the same mistake.

Look how disrespectful Obama is to congress all damned day long. To this day, he is dumb as a rock at how to work with Congress. He still believes he is some sort of dictator over congress.

Big oil shortages were made by OPEC and I know of no way short of the USA using our own oil to handle OPEC.

I laud Carter for trying to use our military in that rescue. Actually it was Carter and not Reagan who got them out. All Reagan did was give Air Force 1 back to Carter so Carter could in person pick them up.

We had the odd even day fill ups during Nixon. I can't recall Carter ever having them.

I liked Reagan once the tax laws were changed.

I felt strange voting for him. I had opposed him for Governor. I voted for Carter. To jump ship pissed off my democrat family. I was not trying to piss anybody off. But contrary to the Democrat myth propagated by their media on TV and in print, I realized how hard it was for Carter to get the hostages and figured he had tried. Had he served one more month in office, he rightfully would have got all the credit.

I came to love Reagan for his principles. Like me, he also had been a Democrat. And like me, he learned the hard way they fuck the public.

I am not angry these days with the rich. I understand money. I understand the system of money. I realize the Treasury prints so much money none of us will be short if we work for a living.

I don't like how up to 42 years of age, democrats fed me so many lies that I believed it is still hard to forgive them.

[Ransom]

Who holds Ted Cruz in high esteem lol

His Constituents.

[Bob]

All this is moot bob, you dont make the rules and the rules are already set

I know that. But one has hopes. If I had my way, for a person to vote for president, they would first be schooled in the real way government works. They would take lessons in the tax system and history of the tax system of the USA.

Too many of them assume it was always as fucked up as it now is.

But Democrats are crafty and so control education they won't allow the public to learn this in public schools.

A good way to check out thinking is what they think about George Washington.

Today, those going against Government have to be fucking nut bags who are Nazis and have no clue what is going on.

So, if you just go along, let those ass holes pack your life chock full of more and more and more regulations, all designed to manage your life, to bull shit you to death, so you fuck up by voting for them, you are one cool dude.

But if you did study history, did study money history, did study how DC actually works, read books by Thomas Paine, read books such as A Time for Truth, by William E. Simon, Did study the history of the world so one knows the various systems, did what I did and get into the cities under communism when the Soviets were in charge, one learns a lot.

I am no radical. I love the public. I worry they are fed so many lies by DC that it may turn out they never recover.

Democrats in a nutshell are liars. And they divide the country. Obama has pissed me off by daily dividing the country. He has the fucking Democrats in both houses doing the same thing. All day long. They keep it up.

I recall during the investigation that Clinton called down oh himself how Democrats lied all day long. Supposedly it was republicans who started the investigation. But Clinton requested the special prosecutor vis a vis Janut Reno. But democrats lied. They blamed republicans. Then while republicans did their best to not discuss what was being investigated, Clinton's goons kept the story going it was republiicans who were investigating. Supposedly Ken Starr was working for republicans but special prosecutors never have worked for a party.

I am so disgusted with democrats I can go on all damned week. But I don't have that great of desire since I know how democrats are. They think I am wrong and don't understand truth. They won't change their minds. I bet you won't either.

[Bob]

His Constituents.

Ted Cruz has plenty of supporters who are as you say, his constituents.

Ted is not ready to be president. Ted first must manage government. Senators do not manage government. They don't hire and fire. They don't run government bureaus. We need one of the Governors to step up.

[Bob]

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Democrats are not held in high esteem other than by the nutbags.

They understand socialism so support it.

Nope, Obama shit his nest and I don't believe the public can be fooled again quite this soon. But they will be fooled by democrats in the future.


Who holds Ted Cruz in high esteem lol

Well, just like Democrats deluded boobs, who supported their Senator, Barack Obama, I assume some would support Ted Cruz. Ted is a firebrand. But he has the same flaw Obama had. They did not run Government growing up.

McCain has not run government so I did not back him until there was nobody else but him and Obama to vote for.

I saw McCain as vastly more experienced as a Senator than was Obama. But the deluded public chose a man of damned near no experience in Government and made him president.

Fucking fools.

I suppose they want to get onto a rapid transit train with some fool who never ran a train too.

Maybe fly with some passenger as pilot on a commercial jet who never flew any type of airplane as well.

Stupid fools.

They think being president is important, they claim.

So why can't they figure out you do not vote for a rank amateur to be president?

Ted is not for me. Christie has experience as a Governor but look at his left wing state. I don't have enough trust in him just yet. I watched his latest town hall on C span and he appeared to give a shit what the people of New Jersey were having in life problems and did his best to work with them to fix their problems. But I need to learn more about him.

Democrats had Governor Bill Richardson to vote for over Hillary and Obama but the fools went for no experience.

At least had they selected Richardson, and I had a choice of him or McCain, I would have really worked hard to see if I could vote for Richardson. To this day, I feel the man does have hands on experience. Democrats don't want him.

[nic34]

I agree with you. The GOP has been obsessed with old guys who try to copycat the democrats. But where I disagree is on Obama care that in my opinion was designed to deliberately fail as is. Hillary the perceived outsider will then arrive with a single payer solution to the whole problem.

And how will she pull that feat of magic that Obama couldn't in 2 terms with a GOP congress?

Or are you guys not that focused on 2014? :laugh:



This has been all carefully planned by the democrats right down to the smallest detail and it's purpose is to entrench the Democratic party with the majority of power for the foreseeable future.

Damn, those Dems are shooourrrr smart!

[nic34]

His Constituents.

Couldn't even carry Texas with that....

[Bob]

I dont know what obama hillary fight has to do with the obama being president because of the teaparty. Obama beat hillary because he appealed to the youth and like all good BSer politicians he said the right things. Its the same with both party candidates

I believe you are pretty much correct.

The mature people of the USA did not support nor vote for Obama.

[The Sage of Main Street]

First, we know the media adore her, wants her to run, but who has actually got her consent to run?

She was shit on before by the Democrats. They wanted a master Bull Shitter not a person who would say "so what"

Can she fool the public?

Don't know. She could not fool Democrats the last time she tried.

She is rewashed used clothing.

I think Terry McAuliffe, the Governor of Virginia, will get it. He's been running DNC finances for years, so he's in with all the party bosses. The bigshots think Hillary is a conceited, bitchy, self-obsessed snob.

McAuliffe is what Republicans should be. He made a lot of money on his own but feels he owes a debt to society and its government for enabling that. GOP (Greedheads on Parole) candidates today are conceited, selfish, stingy assholes who were totally positioned through their Daddy's Money or cheated everybody else to get rich and live in degenerate luxury, walking tall by walking all over people.

[Common]

His Constituents.

Same for all elected democrats, you rightwingers biggest problem is that you think there alot more of you than there are

[Bob]

I think Terry McAuliffe, the Governor of Virginia, will get it. He's been running DNC finances for years, so he's in with all the party bosses. The bigshots think Hillary is a conceited, bitchy, self-obsessed snob.

McAuliffe is what Republicans should be. He made a lot of money on his own but feels he owes a debt to society and its government for enabling that. GOP (Greedheads on Parole) candidates today are conceited, selfish, stingy assholes who were totally positioned through their Daddy's Money or cheated everybody else to get rich and live in degenerate luxury, walking tall by walking all over people.

DNC finances is better than nothing but now that he is the governor, he can get some real life experience in running government.

Hillary as the wife to Bill Clinton was a terror in the White House. She flat shit on people hired to protect her.

They did not want her talking to them and did not want to talk to her.

Imagine workers where she was as Sec. of State. When the stories surface, I believe it will expose her terrible temper. She put it on display to the congress when they talked to her.

When it seemed like Obama would top her, the Democrats bailed out on her like rats from a sinking ship.

As to Terry, it is smart to see what happens in VA over a few years. I am not clear why democrats don't revive having Bill Richardson run for potus again. At least the man has vast experience and has done many tasks even in the Federal level.

[Max Rockatansky]

It seems to me that Obama had about 5 million less voting for him vs Romney than he did when he ran vs McCain.

While this is correct, I think people are drawing the wrong conclusions when comparing the 2008 and 2012 elections. The important number isn't how many less votes a particular politician received in one election compared to another, but whether or not they won the current election.

Would it have mattered if Bush won the 2004 election by 30 million less votes than in 2000 as long as he beat Kerry?

The next election will be won by which side has the least number of voters staying home in disgust. The Democrats will see a high turnout for the first female candidate if Hillary runs (and I'm not completely sure she will). The Republicans will once again cut each other down with their continuing fratricide and the losers staying home on election day.


2008 election: Obama 69,498,516 votes vs. McCain 59,948,323 votes.

2012 election: Obama votes 65,915,796 vs. Romney 60,933,500 votes.

Note here that 3% less registered Republicans voted than registered Democrats.
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Even before the 2012 election, the trend indicated lower voter turnout. This hurt the Republicans both in the actual numbers and, more importantly, in the results. My theory is that Republican in-fighting is the cause of the lower numbers.

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[donttread]

If you keep thinking and voting in two party vision than I garauntee it will continue to get worse!

[zelmo1234]

I think that Hilary will get some pretty tuff opposition from the Democrats, and the Obamas are likely to support that opposition!

The Republicans? I really don't think we know who will be running. There are really 4 that have turned mid west states around, that could run!

I don't want a Senator they make terrible presidents.

[Max Rockatansky]

If you keep thinking and voting in two party vision than I garauntee it will continue to get worse!

Are you posting to me? What does "two party vision" mean?

[Ransom]

Same for all elected democrats, you rightwingers biggest problem is that you think there alot more of you than there are

I'm not in agreement anyone can read stats, the GOP is now a minority and must win with platform and substance, we don't have rock stars. I'll take your advice Sir, where we can win in blue states like NJ and Wisconsin, and we have won back to back House elections, we aren't numerous. We must scrap and work and thus earn every vote. We don't have Chloe's and exotix's, we ain't got nic's and cigar's. We ain't got herds of sheep willing to digest any manure given, they'll simply graze on anything. Endlessly. We got work to do first here in 2014 and then in 2016. Kudos Sir.

[The Sage of Main Street]

DNC finances is better than nothing but now that he is the governor, he can get some real life experience in running government.

Hillary as the wife to Bill Clinton was a terror in the White House. She flat shit on people hired to protect her.

They did not want her talking to them and did not want to talk to her.

Imagine workers where she was as Sec. of State. When the stories surface, I believe it will expose her terrible temper. She put it on display to the congress when they talked to her.

When it seemed like Obama would top her, the Democrats bailed out on her like rats from a sinking ship.

As to Terry, it is smart to see what happens in VA over a few years. I am not clear why democrats don't revive having Bill Richardson run for potus again. At least the man has vast experience and has done many tasks even in the Federal level.

You're looking at the reality behind the scenes. The media don't want you to go there. They are lazy and stupid, preferring to present whatever playacting the rulers perform before them. I also look at the whole life of these skilled performers. In her youth, Hillary was a spoiled, sheltered, and obnoxious born-rich snob and still is. We have to disempower all these enemies of democracy, including the media flunkies who act like movie producers.

[Philly Rabbit]

If the GOP selects another one of their stiff suits from their eastern candidate pool again, they wont get enough support from their conservative base to win. If they're forced to chose one of the two candidates I mentioned who are both considered outside renegades by the party establishment, the party will splinter - Ala Goldwater 64 and wont get enough support from their more moderate - liberal element.

Plus the very real possibility that a third party will arise if they go with another eastern stiff which will really sink their chances.

I think at this point the only chance they have to beat Hillary is if they select a woman but not Palin because she's damaged goods plus she went Hollywood.

[Philly Rabbit]

And how will she pull that feat of magic that Obama couldn't in 2 terms with a GOP congress?

Or are you guys not that focused on 2014? :laugh:






Damn, those Dems are shooourrrr smart!


I think America has become too entitlement minded. Millions no longer depend on other people for financial and emotional support and are now relying on the government to provide both. Meanwhile the illegals keep pouring in and they can no longer find decent paying unskilled jobs because wages are so low for unskilled labor positions which means even more governmental dependency.

[Max Rockatansky]

If the GOP selects another one of their stiff suits from their eastern candidate pool again, they wont get enough support from their conservative base to win. If they're forced to chose one of the two candidates I mentioned who are both considered outside renegades by the party establishment, the party will splinter - Ala Goldwater 64 and wont get enough support from their more moderate - liberal element.

IOW, the Republicans are bound to lose again in 2016. I'm truly sorry to see that happen. It signals the potential end of the Republican party and probably seeing it split into two different factions; the hard right and the moderate right.

I think most Independents would be more supportive of the moderate right. Whether or not that would be enough against the Democrats remains to be seen. I doubt it. Such a thing weakens the right setting up the left to win.

[Philly Rabbit]

IOW, the Republicans are bound to lose again in 2016. I'm truly sorry to see that happen. It signals the potential end of the Republican party and probably seeing it split into two different factions; the hard right and the moderate right.

I think most Independents would be more supportive of the moderate right. Whether or not that would be enough against the Democrats remains to be seen. I doubt it. Such a thing weakens the right setting up the left to win.

It's a simple formula, the right in fights and throws their own under a bus, the left sticks together.

[Ransom]

IOW, the Republicans are bound to lose again in 2016. I'm truly sorry to see that happen. It signals the potential end of the Republican party and probably seeing it split into two different factions; the hard right and the moderate right.

I think most Independents would be more supportive of the moderate right. Whether or not that would be enough against the Democrats remains to be seen. I doubt it. Such a thing weakens the right setting up the left to win.

Let's get closer to that election first before bound to lose predictions are made. Much to play out yet, 14 elections look promising for the GOP. Should we win the Senate for example and hold the House, it changes the dynamic in Washington. Should the Dims keep the Senate....Obamacare and the economy continue to stagnate, deficits continue to stack up, and events abroad continue to destabilize....the American People might wake up. Stress the word might.

[Mainecoons]

IOW, the Republicans are bound to lose again in 2016. I'm truly sorry to see that happen. It signals the potential end of the Republican party and probably seeing it split into two different factions; the hard right and the moderate right.

I think most Independents would be more supportive of the moderate right. Whether or not that would be enough against the Democrats remains to be seen. I doubt it. Such a thing weakens the right setting up the left to win.

"Moderate"--Democrat lite, acceptable to liberals, growing government just a little slower.

[Max Rockatansky]

"Moderate"--Democrat lite, acceptable to liberals, growing government just a little slower.

Democrat extremists call it "Republican lite, acceptable to conservatives, limiting government just a little slower."

Political extremists are funny because they back themselves to a wall and declare all others to be less than themselves when, in reality, they are simply cowardly pussies afraid to step away from the wall they have their backs against. If the civil war that so many of them want ever happens, they'll be the first ones I shoot.

[Max Rockatansky]

Let's get closer to that election first before bound to lose predictions are made.

A runaway train is gaining speed. Someone tells the conductor, "Hey, if we don't get this thing under control before we get to the terminal, we're going to crash". The conductor says "Let's get closer to that station first before bound to crash predictions are made".

[zelmo1234]

Democrat extremists call it "Republican lite, acceptable to conservatives, limiting government just a little slower."

Political extremists are funny because they back themselves to a wall and declare all others to be less than themselves when, in reality, they are simply cowardly pussies afraid to step away from the wall they have their backs against. If the civil war that so many of them want ever happens, they'll be the first ones I shoot.

Yeah! Good luck with that! Some of them might shoot back If the civil war happens the liberals will not be looking for a fair fight!

[zelmo1234]

A runaway train is gaining speed. Someone tells the conductor, "Hey, if we don't get this thing under control before we get to the terminal, we're going to crash". The conductor says "Let's get closer to that station first before bound to crash predictions are made".

Well I think that we need to hope and pray, mostly pray that a leader will step forward that know how to operate the brake on that Train. That does not mean that you don't move to the rear of the train and brace for impact!

But I have not abandon all hope as of yet!

[Max Rockatansky]

Yeah! Good luck with that! Some of them might shoot back If the civil war happens the liberals will not be looking for a fair fight!

Most extremists are dumb asses. Sure, the right wingers are better armed and are excellent shots on targets and unarmed critters while the left-wingers are great at making quiche and are terrific feng shui experts, but they're still extremist dumb asses.

[Max Rockatansky]

Well I think that we need to hope and pray, mostly pray that a leader will step forward that know how to operate the brake on that Train. That does not mean that you don't move to the rear of the train and brace for impact!

But I have not abandon all hope as of yet!

Agreed about not abandoning hope, but leaders are elected and if there are too many extremists, they'll just tear down even the most competent train engineer.

[Philly Rabbit]

"Moderate"--Democrat lite, acceptable to liberals, growing government just a little slower.

Yes exactly, that's the republican inner circle. They care about empowering the national republican party not the country's well being. This is why they resent the tea parties but at the same time court them for their votes like that snake Rubio did in Florida. The tea parties are just a pimple, the tip of the ice berg. They haven't even addressed social security and Medicare but look at the criticism they already garner from the republican establishment. The GOP elites call them extremists but like their support getting their candidates elected at the same time.

[Philly Rabbit]

Agreed about not abandoning hope, but leaders are elected and if there are too many extremists, they'll just tear down even the most competent train engineer.

Can you name any moderate Democrats? Look I don't mean any personal offense but you're an example of just how far left the country has swung. The Democratic party is and is controlled by far left extremists and the so called moderates such as the "conservative" blue dogs vote the party line. Even Jim Webb considered a conservative Democrat in Virginia voted for Obama Care.

So you want a republican light version of the democrats in order to win. Win what?

[pragmatic]

There is no certainty that Hillary will even run, let alone win the nomination. 3 years is a long time in our politically volatile environment.

And the GOP does have a handful of viable governors that could potentially be their nominee. Do hope one of them gets picked. (am a big fan of "governor experience".)




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[Max Rockatansky]

Can you name any moderate Democrats? Look I don't mean any personal offense but you're an example of just how far left the country has swung.

And you, sir, are a perfect example of how far right the country has swung. Yes, there were left wing extremists, but their existence doesn't justify being equally right wing extremist just as any other tit-for-tat action is justified. What is best for the country is to get our fiscal house in order and maximize individual freedoms under the Constitution. I don't see either the far left or the far right doing this since they both have their political agendas of dominating what other Americans should think, say and believe.

[Mainecoons]

You didn't answer his question.

[Max Rockatansky]

You didn't answer his question.

I'm not a Democrat and don't know any.

[Philly Rabbit]

And you, sir, are a perfect example of how far right the country has swung. Yes, there were left wing extremists, but their existence doesn't justify being equally right wing extremist just as any other tit-for-tat action is justified. What is best for the country is to get our fiscal house in order and maximize individual freedoms under the Constitution. I don't see either the far left or the far right doing this since they both have their political agendas of dominating what other Americans should think, say and believe.

Ha ha - you didn't answer my question! :shocked:

Is there a moderate wing of the Democratic party? If there is please point it out for me, would you?

[Peter1469]

The Blue Dogs were pretty much purged by the Democratic leadership.

[Max Rockatansky]

Ha ha - you didn't answer my question! :shocked:

Is there a moderate wing of the Democratic party? If there is please point it out for me, would you?

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