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Cigar
03-03-2014, 10:39 AM
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Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) declared Friday that "we are all Ukrainians" in response to the news that Russia had taken over parts of Ukrainian Crimea.

"We are all Ukrainians," McCain said in an interview with TIME magazine (http://swampland.time.com/2014/02/28/ukraine-john-mccain-putin-crimea/) published Friday. The comments came ahead of President Barack Obama's announcement that he would address the events.

McCain said that Russian President Vladimir Putin thinks "this is a chess match reminiscent of the Cold War and we need to realize that and act accordingly." The senior senator from Arizona added that that didn't mean he foresaw "a conflict with Russia, but we need to take certain measures that would convince Putin that there is a very high cost to actions that he is taking now."

The comment was a near carbon copy to what McCain said in 2008 when Russia invaded Georgia. At the time McCain said (http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/2008/08/mccain-to-georgian-president-t.html), "I know I speak for every American I say to him today, we are all Georgians."


http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/mccain-we-are-all-ukranians-now

:grampa:

Captain Obvious
03-03-2014, 10:41 AM
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Paperback Writer
03-03-2014, 10:44 AM
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Bloody hell! I scrolled down and nearly choked on my tea.

Peter1469
03-03-2014, 10:47 AM
I am not a Ukrainian. I am an American. John McCain should retire.

Cigar
03-03-2014, 10:49 AM
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Ever Notice how long this has gone on and not once was deemed Off-Topic by the Managing Experts on being On-Topic.

http://img.chan4chan.com/img/2011-07-18/yo-dawg-i-heard-you-liked-to-stay-on-topic-so-we-put-a-thread-in-your-thread-so-you-can-discuss-two-things-at-once.jpg

Mister D
03-03-2014, 10:51 AM
Ever Notice how long this has gone on and not once was deemed Off-Topic by the Managing Experts on being On-Topic.

http://img.chan4chan.com/img/2011-07-18/yo-dawg-i-heard-you-liked-to-stay-on-topic-so-we-put-a-thread-in-your-thread-so-you-can-discuss-two-things-at-once.jpg
5
posts? OH WAIT...6 NOW. :grin:

Cigar
03-03-2014, 10:51 AM
I am not a Ukrainian. I am an American. John McCain should retire.

John McCain should go Fly a Jet ... oh wait ... he can't. :rollseyes:

Captain Obvious
03-03-2014, 10:53 AM
Ever Notice how long this has gone on and not once was deemed Off-Topic by the Managing Experts on being On-Topic.

http://img.chan4chan.com/img/2011-07-18/yo-dawg-i-heard-you-liked-to-stay-on-topic-so-we-put-a-thread-in-your-thread-so-you-can-discuss-two-things-at-once.jpg

Technically this is on topic.

You're trolling, I'm trolling back.

See how that works?

Paperback Writer
03-03-2014, 10:54 AM
Honestly, I don't think you could have a more perfect thread than this. All it requires to attain the level of the sublime is for Sage of Main Street to comment on McCain's economic status or Germanicus to relate why Americans ought all be Chinese now.

Captain Obvious
03-03-2014, 10:56 AM
Honestly, I don't think you could have a more perfect thread than this. All it requires to attain the level of the sublime is for Sage of Main Street to comment on McCain's economic status or Germanicus to relate why Americans ought all be Chinese now.

And at some point around 2am (yank time), Ivan will chime in with some boobie cartoons and/or anti-American propaganda.

Is this place fucking great or what?

I'm being serious too, I love it here.

Paperback Writer
03-03-2014, 11:04 AM
And at some point around 2am (yank time), Ivan will chime in with some boobie cartoons and/or anti-American propaganda.

Is this place fucking great or what?

I'm being serious too, I love it here.

I am in US time. I only post on American forums when I'm in the States.

Peter1469
03-03-2014, 11:11 AM
I am in US time. I only post on American forums when I'm in the States. Are there good Brit forums? I will be in London for a bit coming up soon. Not that I will have time for forums....

Paperback Writer
03-03-2014, 11:17 AM
Are there good Brit forums? I will be in London for a bit coming up soon. Not that I will have time for forums....

Naturally. UK debate is one such and you can see the growth of nationalists on that one.

Cigar
03-03-2014, 01:05 PM
Merkel to Obama: Putin "In another World" (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/03/03/1281737/-Merkel-to-Obama-Putin-In-another-World)
In case the Ukrainian crisis doesn't scare you enough, consider this from the New York Times:

The Russian occupation of Crimea has challenged Mr. Obama as has no other international crisis, and at its heart, the advice seemed to pose the same question: Is Mr. Obama tough enough to take on the former K.G.B. colonel in the Kremlin? It is no easy task. Chancellor Angela Merkel of Germany told Mr. Obama by telephone on Sunday that after speaking with Mr. Putin she was not sure he was in touch with reality, people briefed on the call said. “In another world,” she said.

http://mobile.nytimes.com/... (http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/03/03/world/europe/pressure-rising-as-obama-works-to-rein-in-russia.html?referrer)=
Merkel is not prone to dramatics. The idea that Putin is not in touch with reality frankly scares the living hell out of me. If read the history of WW1 you find that at its core were a series of misjudgments and misreadings of the other sides intention. This is, in fact, how most wars starts. WW2 in this sense is the exception, not the rule.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/03/03/1281737/-Merkel-to-Obama-Putin-In-another-World#

Paperback Writer
03-03-2014, 01:06 PM
I have an idea. Why don't you start another war? All by yourselves this time. :D

Peter1469
03-03-2014, 01:20 PM
Putin and Russians don't think like we do in the West. Russian pride factors much more importantly over there than harmony with the world community. Cut off Putin's foriegn bank accounts?, he will just replace the money with Russian surplus. It isn't like Russia is drowning in social welfare payment obligations. They can afford it.

Captain Obvious
03-03-2014, 01:23 PM
I have an idea. Why don't you start another war? All by yourselves this time. :D


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Rlqjxst6xU

Paperback Writer
03-03-2014, 01:27 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Rlqjxst6xU

George Carlin was bloody brilliant. He and Bill Hicks were some of the best comedians ever.

Cigar
03-03-2014, 01:28 PM
I have an idea. Why don't you start another war? All by yourselves this time. :D

I agree ... if the problem is on another Continent ... it's their problem not ours. :grin:

Captain Obvious
03-03-2014, 01:28 PM
George Carlin was bloody brilliant. He and Bill Hicks were some of the best comedians ever.

Yeah, my oldest boy was a big Thomas the Tank Engine fan when Carlin played Mr. Conductor.

It was kind of funny when he got older and we started watching Carlin comedy specials seeing his surprise.

Cigar
03-03-2014, 01:30 PM
George Carlin was bloody brilliant. He and Bill Hicks were some of the best comedians ever.

NO Truer words were ever spoken ... but White People don't like to hear that Truth

Paperback Writer
03-03-2014, 01:31 PM
I agree ... if the problem is on another Continent ... it's their problem not ours. :grin:

If only that were true. :rollseyes:

Paperback Writer
03-03-2014, 01:33 PM
NO Truer words were ever spoken ... but White People don't like to hear that Truth

White people? Ha-ha-ha. So the whole concept of world history is non-existent in American schools, eh? I'll help by suggesting you start with Genghis Khan and work your way to Mohammad and Shaka Zulu.

hanger4
03-03-2014, 01:37 PM
Putin and Russians don't think like we do in the West. Russian pride factors much more importantly over there than harmony with the world community. Cut off Putin's foriegn bank accounts?, he will just replace the money with Russian surplus. It isn't like Russia is drowning in social welfare payment obligations. They can afford it.Don't think the Ruskies have much in the way of surpluses Pete. Their stocks are crashing and the banking system is in dire straights. http://www.google.com/m?q=Russion+stocks+collapse

Cigar
03-03-2014, 01:43 PM
White people? Ha-ha-ha. So the whole concept of world history is non-existent in American schools, eh? I'll help by suggesting you start with Genghis Khan and work your way to Mohammad and Shaka Zulu.

You posted The George Carlin Video ... no me.

Did you actually play it?

Peter1469
03-03-2014, 01:50 PM
But they have cash.



Don't think the Ruskies have much in the way of surpluses Pete. Their stocks are crashing and the banking system is in dire straights. http://www.google.com/m?q=Russion+stocks+collapse

Paperback Writer
03-03-2014, 02:13 PM
You posted The George Carlin Video ... no me.

Did you actually play it?

Captain Obvious posted it, not me. I suppose all white people post alike then, yeh? :laugh:

Captain Obvious
03-03-2014, 02:14 PM
Captain Obvious posted it, not me. I suppose all white people post alike then, yeh? :laugh:

They lips is thin, they hair is straight...

Paperback Writer
03-03-2014, 02:15 PM
They lips is thin, they hair is straight...

Look, dinosaurs!

http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i204/pandemonium91/MovieRants/movie_idiocracy05.jpg

Paperback Writer
03-03-2014, 02:16 PM
I bloody love this forum!

Cigar
03-03-2014, 02:22 PM
I bloody love this forum!

I FUCKING love this forum!

... removed the skirt from your post :laugh:

Paperback Writer
03-03-2014, 02:26 PM
I FUCKING love this forum!

... removed the skirt from your post :laugh:

I hope that not only does America keep abortion legal, but forgets about that pledge to make it rare. :laugh:

Cigar
03-03-2014, 02:31 PM
I hope that not only does America keep abortion legal, but forgets about that pledge to make it rare. :laugh:

Well some Brain Surgeons are against abortion and birth control :rollseyes:

Brilliant

Paperback Writer
03-03-2014, 02:38 PM
Well some Brain Surgeons are against abortion and birth control :rollseyes:

Brilliant

I feel quite strange right now.

Ethereal
03-03-2014, 03:58 PM
John McCain never saw an unnecessary conflict he didn't like.

Ethereal
03-03-2014, 04:02 PM
Look, dinosaurs!

http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i204/pandemonium91/MovieRants/movie_idiocracy05.jpg

Idiocracy is one of the most underrated movies of all time.

Ethereal
03-03-2014, 05:25 PM
I favor a privatized response to Russian aggression. Politicians, activists, business leaders, and advocates for liberty all over the globe should band together in a voluntary and private capacity to effectuate a potential military response to Russian aggression, assuming it comes to that. What would such a response entail? Mercenaries and volunteers utilizing asymmetric warfare and distributed networks to bog down Russian forces and inflict heavy costs on any occupying force.

Paperback Writer
03-03-2014, 05:29 PM
I favor a privatized response to Russian aggression. Politicians, activists, business leaders, and advocates for liberty all over the globe should band together in a voluntary and private capacity to effectuate a potential military response to Russian aggression, assuming it comes to that. What would such a response entail? Mercenaries and volunteers utilizing asymmetric warfare and distributed networks to bog down Russian forces and inflict heavy costs on any occupying force.


Er, right. You get on that then and tell me how it works out. I'll be waiting to hear how it goes. :happy1:

Peter1469
03-03-2014, 05:39 PM
Why?


I favor a privatized response to Russian aggression. Politicians, activists, business leaders, and advocates for liberty all over the globe should band together in a voluntary and private capacity to effectuate a potential military response to Russian aggression, assuming it comes to that. What would such a response entail? Mercenaries and volunteers utilizing asymmetric warfare and distributed networks to bog down Russian forces and inflict heavy costs on any occupying force.

Dr. Who
03-03-2014, 07:11 PM
Putin and Russians don't think like we do in the West. Russian pride factors much more importantly over there than harmony with the world community. Cut off Putin's foriegn bank accounts?, he will just replace the money with Russian surplus. It isn't like Russia is drowning in social welfare payment obligations. They can afford it.

True.