Young Republicans confirm that their peers hate Republicans

[Cigar]

Young Republicans confirm that their peers hate Republicans (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/03/06/1282624/-Young-Republicans-confirm-that-their-peers-hate-Republicans)
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So the college Republicans commission a report to find out why their peers hate their party so much, and we can sit there and laugh that they spent money (http://www.politico.com/story/2013/06/gop-youth-vote-report-92119_Page2.html) to discover the obvious:


Words that up-for-grabs voters associate with the GOP: “The responses were brutal: closed-minded, racist, rigid, old-fashioned.”

But there were some nuggets of good info in there, such as one-quarter of young voters won't even consider voting for a candidate who holds anti-gay views. I'm telling you, the millennials are changing this country for the better. On the other hand, we can go back to laughing when we see how these young Republicans react to that info:


“On the ‘open-minded’ issue, yes, we will face serious difficulty so long as the issue of gay marriage remains on the table,” the authors wrote. “In the short term, the party ought to promote the diversity of thought within its ranks and make clear that we welcome healthy debate on the policy topic at hand.”

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And:



Republicans need to avoid allowing the abortion debate to be “conflated” with debates over contraception, rape and Planned Parenthood, the report recommended.

And:


“If we don’t believe that Republicans are the ‘fend for yourself’ party, then it’s time for us to explain why — and to show our work,” the report said. “This will go a long way overall, but particularly with Latino voters, who tend to think the GOP couldn’t care less about them.”

Ha ha ha ha ha ha! Have they taken a look at their party recently? They can't "promote diversity" because the very word "diversity" is anathema to the GOP. Witness GOProud's inability to exhibit at CPAC, lest the party's Christianists boycott the event. And they are absolutely the party of "fend for yourself." Where do you think that "43 percent" shit comes from, or the "you didn't built that" hysteria of 2012?

What these college Republicans are asking for would sever the GOP—excising its largest block of foot soldiers (evangelicals) for the potential promise of future support from young poor-performing voters, not to mention voters of color and single women.
This isn't a party that will suffer short-term pain for long-term advantage. It's not about to excommunicate the very people that are killing it.

[Captain Obvious]

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[Cigar]

WARNING: Auto_Denial Activated

[Germanicus]

Maybe Baby Boomers should not be allowed to vote. There are too many of them and they are racist and homophobic. And stupid. Plus they have created this mess and expect us to pay for it. Amongst other things. You make a good point with how stuck the republicans are. There is no way they can please young conservatives and old conservatives at the same time. And I agree about this being a waste of money.

[Green Arrow]

Right, both parties suck. That's why I'm an independent who votes for every party.

[Common]

I think if you ask the right questions it would break down to they hate what the teaparty has done to the republican party

[Common]

Right, both parties suck. That's why I'm an independent who votes for every party.

hear hear but I thought you were a libertarian

[Green Arrow]

hear hear but I thought you were a libertarian

Ideologically, I'm a left-libertarian. That's small "l" libertarian, meaning I don't subscribe to the Libertarian Party. I feel the LP is inconsistent with libertarian philosophy. They are minarchist libertarians, while I am an anarchist libertarian.

[Cigar]

Do Republicans think that when they say the things they say at CPAC, that they are somehow Converting the over 5 Million Margin of Victory Obama got from Democrats?

I mean ... at the end of the day, it really is a Numbers Game and there's only so many Vote you can get through Gerrymandering and Suppression.

Sooner or later you need a Message for NEW Republican Voters. :wink:

[Green Arrow]

Do Republicans think that when they say the things they say at CPAC, that they are somehow Converting the over 5 Million Margin of Victory Obama got from Democrats?

I mean ... at the end of the day, it really is a Numbers Game and there's only so many Vote you can get through Gerrymandering and Suppression.

Sooner or later you need a Message for NEW Republican Voters. :wink:

The GOP, like the Democrats, are not trying to win new voters. Both parties are just trying to get their respective bases, and that's it. It's why both parties have been getting increasingly more partisan in recent years.

And come on, man. Both parties use gerrymandering. Don't peddle that shit with me.

[Cigar]

The GOP, like the Democrats, are not trying to win new voters. Both parties are just trying to get their respective bases, and that's it. It's why both parties have been getting increasingly more partisan in recent years.

And come on, man. Both parties use gerrymandering. Don't peddle that shit with me.

Not true ... in just 5 short years; it looks like the Democrats picked up additional support from Gays, Women, Latinos, Veterans and The Elderly.

[Green Arrow]

Not true ... in just 5 short years; it looks like the Democrats picked up additional support from Gays, Women, Latinos, Veterans and The Elderly.

Sure, because they initially pandered to those groups, much like the GOP did. Pandering doesn't mean that they aren't still mostly playing to their bases, though.

[Cigar]

Sure, because they initially pandered to those groups, much like the GOP did. Pandering doesn't mean that they aren't still mostly playing to their bases, though.

If listening to your constituents who Voted you into Office by a 5 Million margin is called Pandering ... then I guess you're correct. :wink:

[Green Arrow]

If listening to your constituents who Voted you into Office by a 5 Million margin is called Pandering ... then I guess you're correct. :wink:

Thing is, the Democrats don't until election years.

[Mainecoons]

Gays: Want to redefine marriage, not just get civil unions. Democrats happy to oblige.
Women: Buying into the lies about conservatives that Democrats are happy to feed them.
Latinos: Love those Democrat sponsored open borders and promises of free welfare.
Veterans: Mostly vote Republican still. McCain won this group by 10 percentage points. It was closer in 2012.
Elderly: Romney carried this vote 56 to 44 in 2012. In 2008, McCain, it was 53 to 45 Republican. Elderly went more Republican.
Young people: Out of work or under employed in the Obama economy and they still don't get it?

[Green Arrow]

Gays: Want to redefine marriage, not just get civil unions. Democrats happy to oblige.

False. Conservatives want to change the meaning of what the LGBTQ movement is going for, but that doesn't make it true.


Women: Buying into the lies about conservatives that Democrats are happy to feed them.

Lies, yes, but conservatives seem all too gleeful to make those lies look true. Kinda like the lies about conservatives hating Latinos and being racists:


Latinos: Love those Democrat sponsored open borders and promises of free welfare.

Case in point.


Veterans: Mostly vote Republican still. McCain won this group by 10 percentage points. It was closer in 2012.

Lately beginning to turn libertarian, as well. Not sure where Cigar is getting that veterans are voting Democrat in large numbers.


Elderly: Romney carried this vote 56 to 44 in 2012. In 2008, McCain, it was 53 to 45 Republican. Elderly went more Republican.

I'd average it about 60-40.


Young people: Out of work or under employed in the Obama economy and they still don't get it?

I've told you before that your way of constantly belittling young people is not going to make them want to side with you.

[Mister D]

WARNING: Auto_Denial Activated

WARNING: Over used.

[Mainecoons]

I've told you before that your way of constantly belittling young people is not going to make them want to side with you.

If they're still voting for people like Obama, they don't get it. Sorry.

[Green Arrow]

If they're still voting for people like Obama, they don't get it. Sorry.


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Except they do get it, they just aren't being given better alternatives.

[The Xl]

If they're still voting for people like Obama, they don't get it. Sorry.


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Their is a very solid 17-29 year old libertarian block, probably the biggest libertarian block in the country. Those people get it.

Sadly, the rest of the young people fall into this lesser of two evil bullshit, much like the other age blocks do. They consider Obama the lesser of the evils, the 40+ crowd considers Romney the lesser of the two evils.

Unfortunately, both sides are wrong.

[Green Arrow]

Their is a very solid 17-29 year old libertarian block, probably the biggest libertarian block in the country. Those people get it.

Sadly, the rest of the young people fall into this lesser of two evil bullshit, much like the other age blocks do. They consider Obama the lesser of the evils, the 40+ crowd considers Romney the lesser of the two evils.

Unfortunately, both sides are wrong.

While I agree that a vote for the lesser of two evils is still evil, I don't agree that there wasn't a lesser evil. Functionally, Obama and Romney are the same, but there are certain areas where I do believe Romney would be worse, such as corporatism. For McCain, it was war and foreign adventurism.

[The Xl]

While I agree that a vote for the lesser of two evils is still evil, I don't agree that there wasn't a lesser evil. Functionally, Obama and Romney are the same, but there are certain areas where I do believe Romney would be worse, such as corporatism. For McCain, it was war and foreign adventurism.

I agree that McCain was more dangerous than Obama. I don't think Romney was.

McCain is the absolute exception in modern politics, though. That man was insane

[Bob]

Not true ... in just 5 short years; it looks like the Democrats picked up additional support from Gays, Women, Latinos, Veterans and The Elderly.

Really?????

So why have the D's been losing elections?

Why are R's gaining governors?

Why are the D's in fear that R's will win back the Senate?

Americans took a chance on the Congress and now that they did a good job, want the same thing to happen in the Senate.

[Green Arrow]

I agree that McCain was more dangerous than Obama. I don't think Romney was.

McCain is the absolute exception in modern politics, though. That man was insane

Romney, to me, would be a worse corporatist than Obama precisely for the reason Republicans loved him: corporate experience. Obama had none. Obama is a corporatist, but only a mildly competent one. Romney understands the corporate world in ways Obama could never dream of, though.

[patrickt]

Ideologically, I'm a left-libertarian. That's small "l" libertarian, meaning I don't subscribe to the Libertarian Party. I feel the LP is inconsistent with libertarian philosophy. They are minarchist libertarians, while I am an anarchist libertarian.

What happened to socialist? What happened to left-anarchist?

Of course, young Republicans report that their peers, some of their peers, hate Republicans. Liberals hate. It's what they do. They hate Republicans but Republicans shouldn't feel special. Liberals spread their hate wide.

[Green Arrow]

What happened to socialist? What happened to left-anarchist?

Left-libertarians ARE socialists. That's the "left" modifier on "libertarian." As for anarchism, libertarianism encompasses a broad range of little-to-no-government philosophies. Some libertarians, like the Libertarian Party and The Xl, are minarchists. Some libertarians, like myself, Chris, and Codename Section, are at the other end of the libertarian spectrum, which is anarchism. Many more fall somewhere in between.


Of course, young Republicans report that their peers, some of their peers, hate Republicans. Liberals hate. It's what they do. They hate Republicans but Republicans shouldn't feel special. Liberals spread their hate wide.

Hate is a human trait, not a uniquely liberal one. I've seen plenty of conservatives spread some pretty hateful rhetoric around.

[Chris]

You rang?

Yes, left libertarian are socialist and right libertarian capitalist. Now both are defined as libertarian or voluntaryist and while I don't entirely understand how socialism can work, if it is voluntary, then I see no problem with it. Perhaps some examples. A group of farmer pool resources in a cooperative to put up a granary along the railroad. Or small speciality farmers pool together on a roadside market. A town decides collectively to work as a socialist group to grow olives, like Marinaleda, Spain. The owner of a firm decides to allow his employees to work on socialist principles with no hierarchy and no bosses, like Valve, a gaming company. Some of it makes sense - though note each socialist group does this within a larges capitalist economy, they all trade for resources and to sell products.

Socialism has a connotation in the US, especially among conservatives, of being statist, such as Russian, China, Cuba, North Korea. It's not so much the socialism that's the problem as the statism. The left tends as well to associate capitalism with statism, but again, it's not so much the capitalism that's the problem as the statism. Why, statism monopolizes power, and power corrupts.

[darroll]

Think of something real nasty and the dems will legalize it.

[GrassrootsConservative]

This is what Moochelle Obama meant when she said that young people are knuckleheads.

[GrassrootsConservative]

Think of something real nasty and the dems will legalize it.

How about killing womens' babies while they are still in the womb?

Oh.. wait.... They already did that.

/Edit: And the following is all true as well I would like to draw attention to what this man has said:

Liberals hate. It's what they do. They hate Republicans but Republicans shouldn't feel special. Liberals spread their hate wide.

Brilliant truth.