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texan
03-10-2014, 11:27 PM
I am hearing they got a subsidy on Ocare. Real Nice Mr. President, have you no shame?

Such a great law, fair and balanced for everyone. You are disgraceful.

Germanicus
03-10-2014, 11:34 PM
I agree. The unions movement is no longer relevant. The unions have served their purpose. Unions are now obsolete.

Capitalist democracy should not need unions.

Enough is never enough for them. Also, unions divide the working class into selfish conflicting sections and prevent unity.

the priority for the western social soldiers should be to lift up those on minimum wage and also to fight for the people that are living in places like China and Africa through deAmericanization of the global economy, a move to stable exchange rates and an active motivated transition to a Global Minimum Wage.

Modern western unionists are no heros like the unionists of the past. They are a selfish force and a wedge in society.

midcan5
03-11-2014, 06:48 AM
Midcan puts on his conservative libertarian hat: 'I hear the moon is made of cheese, that darn Obama. I read somewhere the earth is flat, I can see it is flat. I heard that Obama is a space alien, why that must be true for sure.' Hat off.

You guys are hilarious and a historical joke to boot. There is a real world out there and in it unions still perform necessary tasks, even if among them is the simple threat of unionization. Having spent the early part of my career in a union, I can see both sides. You corporate tools are like well trained seals, say union and dance.

"With all their faults, trade unions have done more for humanity than any other organization of men that ever existed"
Clarence Darrow

"Corporate propaganda directed outwards, that is, to the public at large, has two main objectives: to identify the free enterprise system in popular consciousness with every cherished value, and to identify interventionist governments and strong unions (the only agencies capable of checking a complete domination of society by corporations) with tyranny, oppression and even subversion. The techniques used to achieve these results are variously called 'public relations', 'corporate communications' and 'economic education'." Alex Carey 'Taking the Risk out of Democracy' [see also http://mitworld.mit.edu/video/827 ]

"You don’t have to love unions, you don’t have to believe that their policy positions are always right, to recognize that they’re among the few influential players in our political system representing the interests of middle- and working-class Americans, as opposed to the wealthy. Indeed, if America has become more oligarchic and less democratic over the last 30 years — which it has — that’s to an important extent due to the decline of private-sector unions." Paul Krugman

nic34
03-11-2014, 06:58 AM
I am hearing they got a subsidy on Ocare. Real Nice Mr. President, have you no shame?

Such a great law, fair and balanced for everyone. You are disgraceful.

Who told you, your mother in law?

patrickt
03-11-2014, 07:15 AM
"WASHINGTON – The Obama administration appears ready to give some labor unions a break from costly fees under the new health care law, a move that drew criticism from Republicans who say it unfairly favors a key White House ally.
In regulations published last week, the administration said it intends to propose rules that would exempt "certain self-insured, self-administered plans" from the requirement to pay the fees in 2015 and 2016."
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/11/06/some-labor-unions-could-get-break-from-obamacare-fees/

But, Kudos to Midcan for strawman arguments, distraction, and lying. I realize his support for organized crime is unqualified but it does get sickening. Acknowledging that the criminals will always get breaks from their accomplices on the left is like acknowledging something as basic as the sun appear to rise in the east.

patrickt
03-11-2014, 07:16 AM
Who told you, your mother in law?

That would be a more reliable source than President "You can keep your health insurance" Obama, wouldn't it? But, it's been in the news but I that if it isn't in ThinkProgress, DailyKos, or MSNBC it would be news to you.

"WASHINGTON – The Obama administration appears ready to give some labor unions a break from costly fees under the new health care law, a move that drew criticism from Republicans who say it unfairly favors a key White House ally.In regulations published last week, the administration said it intends to propose rules that would exempt "certain self-insured, self-administered plans" from the requirement to pay the fees in 2015 and 2016."
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/11/06/some-labor-unions-could-get-break-from-obamacare-fees/

Alyosha
03-11-2014, 07:32 AM
Midcan puts on his conservative libertarian hat: 'I hear the moon is made of cheese, that darn Obama. I read somewhere the earth is flat, I can see it is flat. I heard that Obama is a space alien, why that must be true for sure.' Hat off.

You guys are hilarious and a historical joke to boot.

The irony, the irony.

Libertarian conservative hat? Libertarians are social liberals and fiscal conservatives, therefore you needn't add conservative to the mix. It's redundant.




"You don’t have to love unions, you don’t have to believe that their policy positions are always right, to recognize that they’re among the few influential players in our political system representing the interests of middle- and working-class Americans, as opposed to the wealthy. Indeed, if America has become more oligarchic and less democratic over the last 30 years — which it has — that’s to an important extent due to the decline of private-sector unions." Paul Krugman

Paul Krugman wanted to start a jobs program that prepared for an alien invasion. How anyone on the left can take him seriously after that is quite beyond me.

Cigar
03-11-2014, 07:34 AM
Who told you, your mother in law?

That's a great place Texas ... looks like 1 in 3 are walking around Uninsured.

I'd be really careful

Peter1469
03-11-2014, 07:35 AM
Midcan has no conservative or libertarian hat. :smiley:


Midcan puts on his conservative libertarian hat: 'I hear the moon is made of cheese, that darn Obama. I read somewhere the earth is flat, I can see it is flat. I heard that Obama is a space alien, why that must be true for sure.' Hat off.

You guys are hilarious and a historical joke to boot. There is a real world out there and in it unions still perform necessary tasks, even if among them is the simple threat of unionization. Having spent the early part of my career in a union, I can see both sides. You corporate tools are like well trained seals, say union and dance.

"With all their faults, trade unions have done more for humanity than any other organization of men that ever existed"
Clarence Darrow

"Corporate propaganda directed outwards, that is, to the public at large, has two main objectives: to identify the free enterprise system in popular consciousness with every cherished value, and to identify interventionist governments and strong unions (the only agencies capable of checking a complete domination of society by corporations) with tyranny, oppression and even subversion. The techniques used to achieve these results are variously called 'public relations', 'corporate communications' and 'economic education'." Alex Carey 'Taking the Risk out of Democracy' [see also http://mitworld.mit.edu/video/827 ]

"You don’t have to love unions, you don’t have to believe that their policy positions are always right, to recognize that they’re among the few influential players in our political system representing the interests of middle- and working-class Americans, as opposed to the wealthy. Indeed, if America has become more oligarchic and less democratic over the last 30 years — which it has — that’s to an important extent due to the decline of private-sector unions." Paul Krugman

texan
03-11-2014, 09:43 AM
Who told you, your mother in law?

Such a typical response from one who must have his head in his arse!

There are no secrets with all the media today online and on air. There is nothing that can't be sourced in 30 seconds, not to mention this is in the news. But here you are acting 1999'ish mostly because you have no logical debate on why the unions don't participate and then when they finally do it will be with subsidies nobody else gets. All directly related to cronyism (I bet you screamed Chaney Halliburton at one time too).

The problem is it is such an over the top payback its offensive. Run your weak ass crap by my friend that is paying (IMO an actual needy family that could use help but gets none) $1200 per month more with Obama's tax increase and Obamacare change. I hope they can buy gas which is up on his watch at least times 2. Thanks for helping the middle class with insurance sir.

What do you have to say? Dah! Thanks for the contribution, I am sure your mother is very proud.

Captain Obvious
03-11-2014, 09:43 AM
Midcan has no conservative or libertarian hat. :smiley:

http://makeameme.org/media/created/WANNA-TAKE-A-culhxu.jpg

nic34
03-11-2014, 09:51 AM
That would be a more reliable source than President "You can keep your health insurance" Obama, wouldn't it? But, it's been in the news but I that if it isn't in ThinkProgress, DailyKos, or MSNBC it would be news to you.

"WASHINGTON – The Obama administration appears ready to give some labor unions a break from costly fees under the new health care law, a move that drew criticism from Republicans who say it unfairly favors a key White House ally.In regulations published last week, the administration said it intends to propose rules that would exempt "certain self-insured, self-administered plans" from the requirement to pay the fees in 2015 and 2016."
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/11/06/some-labor-unions-could-get-break-from-obamacare-fees/


Oh, FOX NOOS.... well that's different..... fair, and ummm, balanced!

:laugh:

Peter1469
03-11-2014, 10:08 AM
Oh, FOX NOOS.... well that's different..... fair, and ummm, balanced!

:laugh:

Without Fox Noos, we would have only DNC noos.

But I imagine that you would be good with that. :smiley:

patrickt
03-11-2014, 11:34 AM
If folks like Nic and Midcan, they are pulling for the administration to shut down all news sources that are not compatible with the far left. Could the attack on a free press be any more obvious that it is with the criminals in this administration? Putting commissars in newsrooms? Taping phones of reporters? Threatening news outlets with the FCC? As for the incestuous in-and-out of journalists to the White House, it's incredible?

patrickt
03-11-2014, 11:36 AM
Oh, FOX NOOS.... well that's different..... fair, and ummm, balanced!

:laugh:

What a pitiful ad hom attack. I suppose that's good when someone has nothing intelligent to say. I'll leave you alone so you can watch MSNBC undisturbed.

nic34
03-11-2014, 02:26 PM
I have no problem with you all using Fox as a "source", but calling them fair and balanced is laughable......

texan
03-11-2014, 02:55 PM
Your entire dialog here might be interesting if you could tell the difference between opinion sources and news.

Fair and balanced means they put both sides opinions on and let them go at it like a crossfire show, bro!

The news is the news not to be confused with crossfire.

Jeez, it would be awesome if dems would actually watch a channel instead of commenting second hand from sources that have another point of view. The difference between Fox is they will put many real hard core leftists and dems on vs. the other shows that compete with Fox that mostly go with soft opinions.

Captain Obvious
03-11-2014, 03:02 PM
I have no problem with you all using Fox as a "source", but calling them fair and balanced is laughable......

Yeah, just like thinking huffpo and thinkprogress are objective.

texan
03-11-2014, 03:46 PM
The Huff Po will from time to time have a balanced piece, but make no mistake it is paid for and owned by the left. So What! I will look at what people put forth if they are not crazy every moment of the day. Britebart is an equivalent on the right. They still have some good stories but they are right no doubt.

One thing I realized is 90% of the people on this site run from a debate.

nic34
03-11-2014, 03:59 PM
Crossfire is not on Fox, its on CNN.... and neither is Alan Colmes...

patrickt
03-11-2014, 05:50 PM
I have some respect for media outlets that take a side. Outlets like MSNBC, ABC, AP, and NPR who insist they're non-partisan are disgusting.

texan
03-12-2014, 08:22 AM
Crossfire is not on Fox, its on CNN.... and neither is Alan Colmes...


Oh boy more tough debate in a thread....................You habla English? I said "like a" crossfire show. Hit me with some more of your really clever not well read banter.

nic34
03-12-2014, 08:54 AM
So what crossfire do they have?

Not much.

MSNBC is not 24/7 and has conservative hosts.

Fox is the RNC propaganda outlet 24/7.

When are they going to run off Shepard Smith?

nic34
03-12-2014, 08:57 AM
I have some respect for media outlets that take a side. Outlets like MSNBC, ABC, AP, and NPR who insist they're non-partisan are disgusting.

FSTV and Link take a side. And are 100% viewer funded.

Peter1469
03-12-2014, 09:00 AM
So what crossfire do they have?

Not much.

MSNBC is not 24/7 and has conservative hosts.

Fox is the RNC propaganda outlet 24/7.

When are they going to run off Shepard Smith?

You're just upset that FOX isn't part of the DNC like the rest of the media. :wink:

patrickt
03-12-2014, 09:55 AM
Your just upset that FOX isn't part of the DNC like the rest of the media. :wink:

Close, Peter, but for leftists any news outlet that isn't totally under the control of the White House is RNC propaganda.

nathanbforrest45
03-12-2014, 09:57 AM
I have some respect for media outlets that take a side. Outlets like MSNBC, ABC, AP, and NPR who insist they're non-partisan are disgusting.


Now wait just a minute. NPR always gives both sides of the story. One hour and 45 minutes for the socialist view and 1.45 seconds for the conservative.

texan
03-12-2014, 10:14 AM
Dear NIC34,
The entire secret of their ratings is the crossfire setting. The original Crossfire show was off the charts in ratings. FOX built the entire commentary network on Crossfire scenario's. 90% of the time they will have a Geraldine Ferraro type debating a Karl Rove type. Some are so far left or right you can't see them, but everyone from one side to the other has a voice. Hosts don't really matter, if a liberal host can get ratings they will hire them.

You would know this if you were not just regurgitating BS from spin machines. This is also how we know you don't ever watch and are commenting from the weeds. This is very simple strategy and marketing.

Here is a little secret for you, the MSNBC's of the world are not generally popular because they stifle debate from the other-side. Now sure they have to allow some, but it is usually a softer target. Someone who kisses ass to stay on air because they know they will be fired if they strongly disagree and are passionate about it. On the other hand a liberal host can be over the top passionate about something to a fault and keep their job.

Lou Dobbs fired from CNN for being too critical of Obama, Rumors of people being fired over Obama are Stossel, Leno, and Mark Halprin suspended for calling him a name but your Ed show can call women bitches, there is a long list of these things happening. That is my proof for making the statement that no passion is allowed by liberal networks. But one can call a republican anything.

Said Pat Buchanan "I know these blacklisters. They operate behind closed doors, with phone calls, mailed threats, and off-the-record meetings," Buchanan wrote. "They work in the dark because, as Al Smith said, nothing un-American can live in the sunlight." He is 100% right. He is fired over a book that was nothing more than a thought and it opened some things up for debate. The left didn't like it so they fired him.

You never see a person fired or in-danger at FOX no matter how staunch their opinion on the left.

This simple formula is the difference between ratings and making money vs. not being watched and not making money. When one spends all their time pointing fingers at their opponent and not on offense they get beat. Hello ultra liberal programs. Give FOX credit they understand this and build programming around this known fact.

Read them and weep pal, I write the truth and it is indisputable!

I realize some folks can't stand debate, they want to yell shut-up. I feel you are in this category.