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Peter1469
03-11-2014, 08:10 AM
Climate Change and Genghis Khan (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/how-climate-change-helped-genghis-khan-scientists-believe-a-sudden-period-of-warmer-weather-allowed-the-mongols-to-invade-with-such-success-9182580.html)

It appears that global warming helped Genghis Khan create the largest empire known to man.


A long period of warm, wet weather spanning several decades helped one of history’s most fearsome tyrants to conquer most of Asia and Eastern Europe and form the largest continuous land empire the world has known, a study has found.

Genghis Khan owes his place in history to a sudden shift in the Asiatic climate from the cold, arid period that immediately preceded his ascent as leader of the Mongol empire, to the warmer, wetter weather that allowed his horsemen to expand out from Central Asia.


Scientists studying ancient Siberia pine trees in central Mongolia that date back nearly 2,000 years believe that Khan’s rise to power coincided precisely with a period of unusually heavy rainfall over a couple of decades which allowed the arid grasslands of the Asian Steppe to flourish.

Germanicus
03-11-2014, 08:21 AM
That is interesting Peter. Thanks for posting. Climate change is certainly nothing new. Like what about how Europeans/Brits like Shakespeare were hoarding grain when the temps were changing at that time hurting crop production? That is interesting too.

Shakespeare was a complete jerk. He would have done well in modern capitalism. (: He would have speculated on food and caused shortage to raise the price.. Bloody poms.

Cigar
03-11-2014, 08:54 AM
http://indulgy.net/tN/PL/mf/239887117621140197yObeqcN7c.jpg

Peter1469
03-11-2014, 08:59 AM
Not scary. It is history.


“The transition from extreme drought to extreme moisture right then strongly suggests that climate played a role in human events. It wasn’t the only thing, but it must have created the ideal conditions for a charismatic leader to emerge out of the chaos, develop an army and concentrate power,” Dr Hessl said.


“Where it’s arid, unusual moisture creates unusual plant productivity, and that translates into horsepower. Genghis was literally able to ride that wave,” she said.

Captain Obvious
03-11-2014, 11:50 AM
Didn't Khan die of a nosebleed, on his wedding day or something like that?

Peter1469
03-11-2014, 01:08 PM
Didn't Khan die of a nosebleed, on his wedding day or something like that?

I don't think so.


Genghis Khan died in 1227 during a military campaign against the Chinese kingdom of Xi Xia. His final resting place remains unknown. (http://www.history.com/topics/genghis-khan)

Captain Obvious
03-11-2014, 02:54 PM
It was Atilla the Hun I was thinking of, my bad.

Bob
03-11-2014, 03:26 PM
Climate Change and Genghis Khan (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/how-climate-change-helped-genghis-khan-scientists-believe-a-sudden-period-of-warmer-weather-allowed-the-mongols-to-invade-with-such-success-9182580.html)

It appears that global warming helped Genghis Khan create the largest empire known to man.


A long period of warm, wet weather spanning several decades helped one of history’s most fearsome tyrants to conquer most of Asia and Eastern Europe and form the largest continuous land empire the world has known, a study has found.

Genghis Khan owes his place in history to a sudden shift in the Asiatic climate from the cold, arid period that immediately preceded his ascent as leader of the Mongol empire, to the warmer, wetter weather that allowed his horsemen to expand out from Central Asia.


Scientists studying ancient Siberia pine trees in central Mongolia that date back nearly 2,000 years believe that Khan’s rise to power coincided precisely with a period of unusually heavy rainfall over a couple of decades which allowed the arid grasslands of the Asian Steppe to flourish.

You can see how it would work. Animals, such as horses, played a huge role in the more mobile army. Horses had to be fed. Rains and warm weather foment grasses. Ergo, horses eat, men ride and with sufficent trained troops, wage wars and win.

What I like to point out to people are the advantages of warm climates.

When you look at the great lakes, never would have they been around to use, to enjoy and so forth but for global warming. Lake Tahoe would still be frozen but for warming.

Yosemite would not exist but for both cooling and warming.

They act as if there is something wrong by the earth warming at times then cooling at times.

Bob
03-11-2014, 03:28 PM
I was watching once on TV a program about Khan. Turns out that many Mongolians today have been tested and have his DNA.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rd3CxB-e9Dc

Bob
03-11-2014, 03:36 PM
I had Netflix send me a 1 1/2 hr film about a Cave in France that humans were in and the worlds oldest known art is in the cave. The drawings on the cave walls included horses, lions, rhinocerous, various horned deer like animals, etc. They claim they are the world's oldest art. And art they are. The artist had actual talent.

Anyway, this cave is just above a river and once was open to the elements. Then a rock slide covered up the entrance. A tiny opening was noticed and they decided to find out what it amounted to and discovered the cave.

Well, during the film, it was brought up that this part of France had been in the ice age when humans were at the cave. This was about 35,000 years ago. It was said that they had to deal daily with ice and snow.

Anyway, the film is not a rock-em sock-em movie, but it is interesting.

This is the trailer.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZFP5HfJPTY

Peter1469
03-11-2014, 05:05 PM
I may have been in that cave. I certainly have been in several in France.

Bob
03-11-2014, 05:08 PM
I may have been in that cave. I certainly have been in several in France.

According to the film, only scientists are allowed in the cave. They have a steel door for security that seems to be very strong. Even the filming was only allowed 60 minutes and the film said this will be the only film. allowed.

Peter1469
03-11-2014, 05:30 PM
According to the film, only scientists are allowed in the cave. They have a steel door for security that seems to be very strong. Even the filming was only allowed 60 minutes and the film said this will be the only film. allowed.

There are lots of cool caves in France.

Contrails
03-11-2014, 06:39 PM
Climate Change and Genghis Khan (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/how-climate-change-helped-genghis-khan-scientists-believe-a-sudden-period-of-warmer-weather-allowed-the-mongols-to-invade-with-such-success-9182580.html)

It appears that global warming helped Genghis Khan create the largest empire known to man.

Is that supposed to be an argument in favor of global warming?

Bob
03-11-2014, 06:57 PM
Is that supposed to be an argument in favor of global warming?

Well, take a long look at the Great Lakes.

Scientists have informed the world that since 1998 there has been no global warming.

The term global warming offends me. I can't see how they can make such a claim. The globe has many zones. I would love to find out how many of we pilots believe in global warming as it is stated by Democrats?


This is politics. Pure partisan politics.

They do it so they can take charge of one more part of your life.

Contrails
03-11-2014, 07:14 PM
Well, take a long look at the Great Lakes.
I do, every day. Have you seen the weather forecasts in Australia?


Scientists have informed the world that since 1998 there has been no global warming.
Really? The same scientists that say 2001-2010 was the warmest decade on record? (http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories2010/20100728_stateoftheclimate.html)

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/2013EF000165/full

The term global warming offends me. I can't see how they can make such a claim. The globe has many zones. I would love to find out how many of we pilots believe in global warming as it is stated by Democrats?

This is politics. Pure partisan politics.

They do it so they can take charge of one more part of your life.

Why are you offended by facts?

Peter1469
03-11-2014, 07:31 PM
Is that supposed to be an argument in favor of global warming?

Yes, but you wouldn't understand it. :wink:

Contrails
03-11-2014, 08:11 PM
Yes, but you wouldn't understand it. :wink:

Maybe you should read what the paper says about the Mongolian climate of 800 years ago and how it differs from what we're experiencing today.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/03/140310152156.htm

Peter1469
03-11-2014, 08:31 PM
Get your greedy hands out of our pockets. Taxpayers should not suffer your snake oil. We have a lot of real pollution issues to deal with without you soaking up all the money. GMO, pesticides, factory farming, etc.; just get out of the way.


Maybe you should read what the paper says about the Mongolian climate of 800 years ago and how it differs from what we're experiencing today.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/03/140310152156.htm

Bob
03-11-2014, 08:36 PM
I do, every day. Have you seen the weather forecasts in Australia?


Bob replies: Your Great Lakes that you love so much to view have ice breakers busting up paths through the ice.


Really? The same scientists that say 2001-2010 was the warmest decade on record? (http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories2010/20100728_stateoftheclimate.html)


Bob says; I believe you mean in the USA. We are speaking of global. Besides, how do you average the earth?

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/2013EF000165/full


Why are you offended by facts?

I don't call averages facts that matter.

Contrails
03-11-2014, 08:37 PM
Get your greedy hands out of our pockets. Taxpayers should not suffer your snake oil. We have a lot of real pollution issues to deal with without you soaking up all the money. GMO, pesticides, factory farming, etc.; just get out of the way.

Your concerns over GMO, pesticides and factory farming will be moot if global warming turns productive land into deserts.


"This last big drought is an example of what may happen in the future, not just in Mongolia but in a lot of inner Asia," said Pederson. "The heat is a double whammy -- even if rainfall doesn't change, the landscape is going to get drier."

Bob
03-11-2014, 08:39 PM
There are lots of cool caves in France.

We have some good ones a few miles from me as well. But what fascinates me is ours don't have 35,000 year old art inside them. They do not believe this cave in France was inhabited by humans. There are some skulls inside of animals. One skull was set up on the top of a chunk of rock that might have been used as an altar. There is art work of a female from breasts below. However in the film, it does not show up very well.

Peter1469
03-11-2014, 08:40 PM
Warming will be better for man than cooling.

Peter1469
03-11-2014, 08:41 PM
We have some good ones a few miles from me as well. But what fascinates me is ours don't have 35,000 year old art inside them. They do not believe this cave in France was inhabited by humans. There are some skulls inside of animals. One skull was set up on the top of a chunk of rock that might have been used as an altar. There is art work of a female from breasts below. However in the film, it does not show up very well.


I was in one cave in France that was a recreation of the real one that they didn't want people to screw up. It was neat.

Bob
03-11-2014, 08:43 PM
You know how one can tell this is a farce? Those claims of global warming?

Plants consume carbon dioxide. Do you read of any nation rushing out to plant billions of plants?

Why not plant the natural consumer of Carbon dioxide if the earth were actually warming?

One more proof

If they feared carbon dioxide, by this time the world would have banned carbonated beverages.

Notice your store is well stocked with carbon dioxide beverages.

Contrails
03-11-2014, 08:44 PM
I don't call averages facts that matter.

Do declining crop yields matter?

http://nas-sites.org/americasclimatechoices/more-resources-on-climate-change/climate-change-lines-of-evidence-booklet/evidence-impacts-and-choices-figure-gallery/figure-28/

Bob
03-11-2014, 08:48 PM
I was in one cave in France that was a recreation of the real one that they didn't want people to screw up. It was neat.

In the film, they did say they planned to construct a replica cave. I did not realize it is done.

So, they also show the drawings as if they were the originals. Were you impressed by art that old?

We have some Indian tribe art in Southern Cal not too far from Palm Springs in a park.

http://www.nps.gov/jotr/index.htm

Bob
03-11-2014, 08:49 PM
Do declining crop yields matter?

http://nas-sites.org/americasclimatechoices/more-resources-on-climate-change/climate-change-lines-of-evidence-booklet/evidence-impacts-and-choices-figure-gallery/figure-28/

Yet we find it was government that prevented water from being stored.

Contrails
03-11-2014, 09:06 PM
You know how one can tell this is a farce? Those claims of global warming?

Plants consume carbon dioxide.
Humans consume oxygen but ask any doctor what the consequences of breathing more than 21% concentration does.


Do you read of any nation rushing out to plant billions of plants?

Why not plant the natural consumer of Carbon dioxide if the earth were actually warming?
The average American would have to plant 27 trees a year to offset their CO2 emissions. Where are you going to find room for that many trees?


One more proof

If they feared carbon dioxide, by this time the world would have banned carbonated beverages.

Notice your store is well stocked with carbon dioxide beverages.

The CO2 in soda comes from the atmosphere to begin with so there is no really no net change. Besides, a 2 liter bottle of soda releases about 0.1 pound of CO2 compared to 20 pounds from each gallon of gas burned. You do the math and tell me which source is more significant.

Peter1469
03-11-2014, 09:15 PM
Yes the art was impressive.


In the film, they did say they planned to construct a replica cave. I did not realize it is done.

So, they also show the drawings as if they were the originals. Were you impressed by art that old?

We have some Indian tribe art in Southern Cal not too far from Palm Springs in a park.

http://www.nps.gov/jotr/index.htm

Peter1469
03-11-2014, 09:16 PM
Do your part and hold your breath. Keep your hand out of our pockets, or it will get cut off.


Humans consume oxygen but ask any doctor what the consequences of breathing more than 21% concentration does.


The average American would have to plant 27 trees a year to offset their CO2 emissions. Where are you going to find room for that many trees?



The CO2 in soda comes from the atmosphere to begin with so there is no really no net change. Besides, a 2 liter bottle of soda releases about 0.1 pound of CO2 compared to 20 pounds from each gallon of gas burned. You do the math and tell me which source is more significant.

Bob
03-11-2014, 10:28 PM
http://thepoliticalforums.com/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by Contrails http://thepoliticalforums.com/images/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://thepoliticalforums.com/showthread.php?p=546332#post546332)
Humans consume oxygen but ask any doctor what the consequences of breathing more than 21% concentration does.


The average American would have to plant 27 trees a year to offset their CO2 emissions. Where are you going to find room for that many trees?



The CO2 in soda comes from the atmosphere to begin with so there is no really no net change. Besides, a 2 liter bottle of soda releases about 0.1 pound of CO2 compared to 20 pounds from each gallon of gas burned. You do the math and tell me which source is more significant.



Gasoline only weighs about 6 lb / gallon. So how does that math work that you come up with 20 pounds of carbon dioxide per gallon?

Still, were this very serious, as I said, the governments of the world would go wild planting a lot of plants. Trees but a part.

The common way to produce Carbon Dioxide is never to take it from the atmosphere.

Contrails
03-12-2014, 08:30 AM
Gasoline only weighs about 6 lb / gallon. So how does that math work that you come up with 20 pounds of carbon dioxide per gallon?
CO2 contains carbon and oxygen, Bob, but only the carbon comes from the gasoline.
From here: http://www.ehow.com/facts_7311765_much-dioxide-per-gallon-gas_.html#ixzz2vkotBoom

Multiply the average carbon content per gallon (2,421 grams) by the amount of carbon that remains un-oxidized (0.99) by the ratio of molecular weight of CO2 to carbon (44/12) = 8,788 grams/8.8 kg/19.4 pounds per gallon.


Still, were this very serious, as I said, the governments of the world would go wild planting a lot of plants. Trees but a part.
You mean like they are here (http://www.fs.fed.us/restoration/reforestation/index.shtml), and in Germany (http://www.bundeswaldinventur.de/), and in China (http://www.nature.org/ourinitiatives/regions/asiaandthepacific/china/explore/china-tengchong-reforestation-project.xml)?


The common way to produce Carbon Dioxide is never to take it from the atmosphere.
The carbon dioxide in sodas comes from dry ice which is distilled liquid air. The best way to reduce CO2 in the atmosphere is to not add it in the first place.

Peter1469
03-12-2014, 08:57 AM
Hold your breath. That should help. Some.


CO2 contains carbon and oxygen, Bob, but only the carbon comes from the gasoline.
From here: http://www.ehow.com/facts_7311765_much-dioxide-per-gallon-gas_.html#ixzz2vkotBoom



You mean like they are here (http://www.fs.fed.us/restoration/reforestation/index.shtml), and in Germany (http://www.bundeswaldinventur.de/), and in China (http://www.nature.org/ourinitiatives/regions/asiaandthepacific/china/explore/china-tengchong-reforestation-project.xml)?


The carbon dioxide in sodas comes from dry ice which is distilled liquid air. The best way to reduce CO2 in the atmosphere is to not add it in the first place.

Contrails
03-12-2014, 10:35 AM
Hold your breath. That should help. Some.

Really? Sticking your head in the sand hasn't.

Peter1469
03-12-2014, 10:37 AM
Really? Sticking your head in the sand hasn't.

:smiley:

No sand here. Enjoy Congress agreeing with me and not appropriating all the money your side needs for their "fix." :grin:

The Sage of Main Street
03-13-2014, 03:59 PM
Not scary. It is history.

Literally is misused. The old mongoloid would have had to be surfing for an educated person to describe his ride to subhuman mass murder that way. And don't you apologists for the status quo give me "heat wave"; no one can ride a heat wave.

Another word the Diploma Dumbos give a wrong meaning to is oxymoron. I'm not delusional, so I don't believe the dozens of times I've posted about that have changed anybody's mind, but realistically, there must be other rebels like me who do have influence. Recently, I read the description "common-man Superman" about Man of Steel. Somebody must have tapped the writer on the shoulder because he added, "which is some kind of contradiction" instead of usual moronic "oxymoron." The wave of scribbling stupidity that preceded this breakthrough of educated English was caused by the simple-minded belief that oxymoron must be something spoken by a moron. Yes, the lazy know-it-alls in the media are that inferior. Actually, an oxymoron is a clever bit of phrasing, like "boneless ribs" and "less is more."

Bob
03-13-2014, 06:27 PM
Since gasoline is about 87% carbon and 13% hydrogen by weight, the carbon in a gallon of gasoline weighs 5.5 pounds (6.3 lbs. x .87).

Contrails
03-13-2014, 09:49 PM
Since gasoline is about 87% carbon and 13% hydrogen by weight, the carbon in a gallon of gasoline weighs 5.5 pounds (6.3 lbs. x .87).

Now you just need to add oxygen.

Dr. Who
03-13-2014, 11:02 PM
It makes sense of some things, like lions being a symbol in England. Obviously these animals now only associated with Africa were widespread throughout Europe at one time, until the climate became too cold. That is just an assumption, because they could also have been decimated by hunting. You're right, the cave artist did have talent.