What The Yankees Did To Them.

[Philly Rabbit]

An editorial appearing in the newspaper, the Augusta Constitutionalist, August 26, 1864.


The vandals in front of us having failed to take the city by fair means, and in open combat are resorting to the last expedite of a baffled, unprincipled, and disconsolate bully - that of it's destruction by fire. Within the last four and twenty hours as many as nine buildings have touched the ground, and are now visible only in smoldering walls and charred ruins. During these conflagrations the Yankee batteries played vigorously upon the fire battalion. They obtained the range by the clouds of smoke and flame and had nothing more noble to do than to drop their shells in among the humane noncombatants at their work of charity, and the frightened and houseless women and children fleeing from the wrath of the two fierce and consuming enemies. Can anything be more typical of the desperation of the ruffians who came here under the illusion of winning an easy victory, or the infamy of the universal Yankee nation? It is a perfect symbol of the fear of the intolerable wretch who commands them. Sherman, who said that the waste coat of God almighty was not big enough to make him a coat, supports his pretentions to the character indicated by this blasphemy in every conceivable way, and rolls up mountain upon mountain of guilt every hour that he inspires the breath of life. Of all the Yankee generals he is the poorest, the vainest, the meanest. He is without honor as a man, or conscience as a human being. His wit, by which he sets great store, is that of a Dutch dissenting class leader, his wisdom that of a circus clown, his temper that of Meg Merriles, his honesty that of Ananias and Sapphira, his ambition that of Beast Butler, and his appearance and manners those of Uriah Heep. his fate will be upon the earth wreck and ruin, the exposure of his littleness and puppiness, the disgrace of his military pretentions and the discomfiture of all his schemes; in the world to come - though I judged not least I be judged - you can imagine what awards will be assigned to a villain, who not content with insulting the purity of womanhood and assailing the innocence of children, points his blasphemous tongue like a hissing adder to the face of his Maker. Ugh! what a disgust the thing inspires! Scorn him honest men of all lands! Cast him out as an odious reptile incapable of good, potent only for evil! A paltry villain, a currish knave, the very Fawkes of society, the situs cates of war, a dull sharper, a cheat and shame upon the name of soldier, the very embodiment of an ill-begotten, ill-bred and destined caterpillar, clinging only to sloth and mildew, climbing no higher than the scum of a rank and putrid atmosphere.


- Henry Watterson, writing from inside Atlanta during Sherman's bombardment.


General Sherman, the lunatic terrorist commanding one of the armies of the divided house that couldn't stand by itself reigned down missiles upon the heads of Atlanta's civilians, at least in numbers of five thousand with many of them refugees seeking shelter inside the city with their homes destroyed by Yankees during ensuing battles outside the city's boundaries. Thirty seven days he kept up his murderous cannonade upon Atlanta's innocents even with the knowledge provided by his spies within that anything of any value to the confederates including all machinery had already been removed before lunatic Sherman began his cannonade.General Hood's confederate army which stretched from Atlanta to Jonesboro 15 miles to the south was unable to guard the Macon and Western railroad at all points which served as the confederates last provider of supplies was dug into trenches before Sherman, but Sherman ignoring his enemy before him fired relentlessly upon the city in what was a completely unnecessary act of war criminality being the railroad was cut off by his forces anyway forcing Hood to retreat.


This incident was just one of many in America's first venture into total war on a civilian population.

[Captain Obvious]

Holy stream of consciousness, Batman...

[The Sage of Main Street]

The whining of sore losers.

[Philly Rabbit]

The whining of sore losers.

Is that what you call non combatant civilians who are slaughtered?

What a moral and just republican you are indeed.

[Blackrook]

Abraham Lincoln was serious about winning the war and saving the Union. It would be good had modern Presidents been as serious about winning in Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan. War should be fought to win it.

[Philly Rabbit]

Abraham Lincoln was serious about winning the war and saving the Union. It would be good had modern Presidents been as serious about winning in Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan. War should be fought to win it.

Lincoln was a dictator who violated the constitution at every turn. King Abraham's war of attrition on the southern states didn't save anything let alone the union.


Lincoln destroyed the union.

[Philly Rabbit]

The whining of sore losers.

Did you know that the core of the American army in Europe fighting Hitler's forces were young boys from North and South Carolina, Georgia, Tennessee, Alabama, Arkansas, Florida, Texas, Virginia, and Oklahoma? Many of these young boys had confederate battle flags that they carried with them into battle tucked inside their shirts or inside their kits. They were fighting and bleeding for America but their hearts were all at home in old Dixie.

They weren't wearing football jerseys with a GOP inscription and numerals on them at a tailgate party.

And you call them - yellow?

[The Sage of Main Street]

Is that what you call non combatant civilians who are slaughtered?
.

Sorry, but there is no such thing as a non-combatant in a combat zone. Sherman was a great man who should have become President. He not only saved Yankee lives, but he saved Confederate lives because if he hadn't starved them out, the South would have dragged the war on and still lost.

[The Sage of Main Street]

Did you know that the core of the American army in Europe fighting Hitler's forces were young boys from North and South Carolina, Georgia, Tennessee, Alabama, Arkansas, Florida, Texas, Virginia, and Oklahoma? Many of these young boys had confederate battle flags that they carried with them into battle tucked inside their shirts or inside their kits. They were fighting and bleeding for America but their hearts were all at home in old Dixie.



You contradict yourself, saying that Lincoln destroyed the union, then citing examples of Southerners who later fought for the UNITED States.

[nathanbforrest45]

So, question. Was the Civil War fought to abolish slavery or to preserve the Union?

[The Wash]

Lincoln didn't like blacks anymore than Jefferson Davis did. The war was over money, not slaves. If it was about slaves the Union would have initiated it after giving an ultimatum.

[nathanbforrest45]

Thank you

I am so tired of being called a racist just because I am a Southerner.

[Philly Rabbit]

Sorry, but there is no such thing as a non-combatant in a combat zone. Sherman was a great man who should have become President. He not only saved Yankee lives, but he saved Confederate lives because if he hadn't starved them out, the South would have dragged the war on and still lost.

So you're a total war on civilians kinda guy, well that's certainly a feather in your forum cap.

Sherman was a murdering lunatic and a disgrace to the military uniform and the United States meaning the American people are not barbarians and America is not a barbaric country that attempts to exterminate the civilian populations of the countries it wars against.

Every American military general war hero never resorted to the indiscriminate killing of civilians to achieve victory starting with Washington through MacArthur and Patton up to present day.

You're comments are disgraceful and those of a barbarian who disregards the rules of warfare for a civilized nation. During modern warfare civilian casualties are impossible to eliminate without achieving the destruction of any given military target but the wanton slaughter and deliberate starvation of civilian populations is a barbaric and morally reprehensible procedure for any supposedly civilized nation on this earth to deliberately pursue.

[donttread]

That's how wars were won and surrender achieved from the civil war ( and likely before) through WW2. Once the army was beat back the "winner" killed civilians until they achieved surrender. That's why we no longer "win" wars in the traditional sense, because today's press won't overlook that shit

[1751_Texan]

So you're a total war on civilians kinda guy, well that's certainly a feather in your forum cap.

Sherman was a murdering lunatic and a disgrace to the military uniform and the United States meaning the American people are not barbarians and America is not a barbaric country that attempts to exterminate the civilian populations of the countries it wars against.

Every American military general war hero never resorted to the indiscriminate killing of civilians to achieve victory starting with Washington through MacArthur and Patton up to present day.

You're comments are disgraceful and those of a barbarian who disregards the rules of warfare for a civilized nation. During modern warfare civilian casualties are impossible to eliminate without achieving the destruction of any given military target but the wanton slaughter and deliberate starvation of civilian populations is a barbaric and morally reprehensible procedure for any supposedly civilized nation on this earth to deliberately pursue.

Seeking "civilized" warfare in a time of 'barbaric' treatment of fellow human beings is odd.

[Philly Rabbit]

So, question. Was the Civil War fought to abolish slavery or to preserve the Union?

It was fought to destroy states rights, exterminate the South's culture (reconstruction) and maintain a central economy of economic strength in the eastern (northeastern) states.

[1751_Texan]

It was fought to destroy states rights, exterminate the South's culture (reconstruction) and maintain a central economy of economic strength in the eastern (northeastern) states.

The South gave Lincoln a nice slow underhand pitch and he knocked the leather off the ball.

[The Sage of Main Street]

Was the Civil War fought to abolish slavery or to preserve the Union?

The Republicans provoked it. So obviously it was to raise tariffs, which the South had always tried to vote down. Second, because of the European anti-Capitalist revolutions of 1848, it was to kill off or take the fight out of the bravest of the working class. Along those lines, it was also to use the freed Blacks as cheap and submissive scab labor to break up the unions. So the Union was anti-union.

Not only did the tariff save the plutocracy from having to pay taxes, but it went entirely into the Capitalists' share of business revenue. The high prices it caused didn't benefit the workers in the protected industries at all.

[The Sage of Main Street]

So you're a total war on civilians kinda guy, well that's certainly a feather in your forum cap.

You're comments are disgraceful and those of a barbarian who disregards the rules of warfare for a civilized nation.

You're the type of soft and decadent girlyman coward who thinks that the Vietnam veterans were "baby killers." That snobbish and insulting attitude is what caused preppy John Kerry the election, losing to a Chickenhawk guilty of capital treason for what he did during Vietnam. That's the kind of "choice" the ruling-class scum gives us between their pre-owned candidates.

[The Sage of Main Street]

That's how wars were won and surrender achieved from the civil war ( and likely before) through WW2. Once the army was beat back the "winner" killed civilians until they achieved surrender. That's why we no longer "win" wars in the traditional sense, because today's press won't overlook that shit

Scribbling sissies isolated in Journalism Schools and never learning anything about the real world.

[Philly Rabbit]

The South gave Lincoln a nice slow underhand pitch and he knocked the leather off the ball.

The south had a choice between fighting and apologizing and they chose to fight. And one hell of a fight they put up for four years until King Abraham had to get reelected in 64 and his northern supporters were starting to turn against the great dictator as more and more of their sons were turning up on the casualty lists so the great dictator turned up the volume of his war machine on the civilians.

If that's your idea of a soft underhand pitch then I'd like to hear your discription of a fast ball.

[Philly Rabbit]

You're the type of soft and decadent girlyman coward who thinks that the Vietnam veterans were "baby killers." That snobbish and insulting attitude is what caused preppy John Kerry the election, losing to a Chickenhawk guilty of capital treason for what he did during Vietnam. That's the kind of "choice" the ruling-class scum gives us between their pre-owned candidates.

I'm a US Army 9th infantry Division Delta old infantry grunt and you mister - are full of it.

And the south Vietnamese soldiers weren't cowards no more than the southerners ever were either. They were good soldiers and tough fighters and I know because I fought with them on occasion, they simply lacked their own leadership big mouth and lacked being bled a few times in battle on their own.

They ran out of ammo and supplies - they weren't yellow and they didn't run.

You got all that paly?

[Philly Rabbit]

Lincoln and his suborinates turned up the killing machine on civilians because there was an election coming up in 64 when Atlanta was under seige and if Atlanta had held on for just a while longer - just a few more months, Lincoln would have been out of office on his ass and the Democrats would have won the election and peace and independence for the confederacy would have been achieved. Lincoln you see was in big trouble in the polls up north with the war dragging on and more and more northerners having their sons on the casualty lists that kept ever growing with no real positive results. A better defense in front of Atlanta and the Yankees bogged down at the Chattanooga River on account of it instead of poor confederate leadership which led to the replacement of General Johnston as commander of the Army Of Tennessee by Hood which came too late would have meant doom for Lincoln and his republican party and it's Wall Street banker, industrialist supporters.

[Heyduke]

An editorial appearing in the newspaper, the Augusta Constitutionalist, August 26, 1864.


The vandals in front of us having failed to take the city by fair means, and in open combat are resorting to the last expedite of a baffled, unprincipled, and disconsolate bully - that of it's destruction by fire. Within the last four and twenty hours as many as nine buildings have touched the ground, and are now visible only in smoldering walls and charred ruins. During these conflagrations the Yankee batteries played vigorously upon the fire battalion. They obtained the range by the clouds of smoke and flame and had nothing more noble to do than to drop their shells in among the humane noncombatants at their work of charity, and the frightened and houseless women and children fleeing from the wrath of the two fierce and consuming enemies. Can anything be more typical of the desperation of the ruffians who came here under the illusion of winning an easy victory, or the infamy of the universal Yankee nation? It is a perfect symbol of the fear of the intolerable wretch who commands them. Sherman, who said that the waste coat of God almighty was not big enough to make him a coat, supports his pretentions to the character indicated by this blasphemy in every conceivable way, and rolls up mountain upon mountain of guilt every hour that he inspires the breath of life. Of all the Yankee generals he is the poorest, the vainest, the meanest. He is without honor as a man, or conscience as a human being. His wit, by which he sets great store, is that of a Dutch dissenting class leader, his wisdom that of a circus clown, his temper that of Meg Merriles, his honesty that of Ananias and Sapphira, his ambition that of Beast Butler, and his appearance and manners those of Uriah Heep. his fate will be upon the earth wreck and ruin, the exposure of his littleness and puppiness, the disgrace of his military pretentions and the discomfiture of all his schemes; in the world to come - though I judged not least I be judged - you can imagine what awards will be assigned to a villain, who not content with insulting the purity of womanhood and assailing the innocence of children, points his blasphemous tongue like a hissing adder to the face of his Maker. Ugh! what a disgust the thing inspires! Scorn him honest men of all lands! Cast him out as an odious reptile incapable of good, potent only for evil! A paltry villain, a currish knave, the very Fawkes of society, the situs cates of war, a dull sharper, a cheat and shame upon the name of soldier, the very embodiment of an ill-begotten, ill-bred and destined caterpillar, clinging only to sloth and mildew, climbing no higher than the scum of a rank and putrid atmosphere.


- Henry Watterson, writing from inside Atlanta during Sherman's bombardment.


General Sherman, the lunatic terrorist commanding one of the armies of the divided house that couldn't stand by itself reigned down missiles upon the heads of Atlanta's civilians, at least in numbers of five thousand with many of them refugees seeking shelter inside the city with their homes destroyed by Yankees during ensuing battles outside the city's boundaries. Thirty seven days he kept up his murderous cannonade upon Atlanta's innocents even with the knowledge provided by his spies within that anything of any value to the confederates including all machinery had already been removed before lunatic Sherman began his cannonade.General Hood's confederate army which stretched from Atlanta to Jonesboro 15 miles to the south was unable to guard the Macon and Western railroad at all points which served as the confederates last provider of supplies was dug into trenches before Sherman, but Sherman ignoring his enemy before him fired relentlessly upon the city in what was a completely unnecessary act of war criminality being the railroad was cut off by his forces anyway forcing Hood to retreat.


This incident was just one of many in America's first venture into total war on a civilian population.

I finally watched Spielberg's Lincoln movie last night. I was never that excited to see it, except that I admire DD Lewis' acting talent. And, whatever, it was a typical Spielberg affair (a feel-good blockbuster that takes no risks in its indulgence of certain themes that buoy the mythology of Lincoln).

Lincoln, in my view, is a mixed bag. I neither see him as a super-villian or a super-hero. One thing is certain, the dude had a rough life and his character was forged in a crucible of suffering.

But, this is what I really wanted to say; When I read letters from the time period, and even letters sent from uneducated grunts in the field, I am awestruck by the vocabulary and eloquence of their language. There's something about writing slowly in long-hand cursive, dipping into that ink well, and the flow of the pen scratching on parchment, that stimulates and excercises a creative center in the brain. There's also something about a people having a common faith and scripture which serves as a poetic substrate for advanced levels of nuanced communication.

You match any hand written Civil War letter with something off of today's Twitterverse, and you begin to think that the plot of the movie Idiocracy has come to fruition.

[The Sage of Main Street]

I'm a US Army 9th infantry Division Delta old infantry grunt

And the south Vietnamese soldiers weren't cowards no more than the southerners ever were either. They were good soldiers and tough fighters and I know because I fought with them on occasion,

They ran



The ones I saw in Vietnam were cowards, crooks, and incompetents. When we relieved the 9th Marines at An Hoa, they told us that before they got there, the ARVN had a peace treaty with the Viet Cong. Their compound was lit up all night long and never attacked.

Obviously, my perspective is more convincing than your apologist propaganda. The South Vietnamese never would have needed us to fight the war for them if they had been real men. They had all our foreign aid plus weapons far advanced from what the Communists had. The same held when we left and the gutless gooks collapsed, just as they would have done in 1963 had Kennedy not started propping them up. You can't argue with that. And of course the "civilians" either actively supported Vietnam or wouldn't help us at all. So, if for some reason it was essential for us to be there, they had to be killed indiscriminately, along with the ARVNs for treason.

[Philly Rabbit]

I finally watched Spielberg's Lincoln movie last night. I was never that excited to see it, except that I admire DD Lewis' acting talent. And, whatever, it was a typical Spielberg affair (a feel-good blockbuster that takes no risks in its indulgence of certain themes that buoy the mythology of Lincoln).

Lincoln, in my view, is a mixed bag. I neither see him as a super-villian or a super-hero. One thing is certain, the dude had a rough life and his character was forged in a crucible of suffering.

But, this is what I really wanted to say; When I read letters from the time period, and even letters sent from uneducated grunts in the field, I am awestruck by the vocabulary and eloquence of their language. There's something about writing slowly in long-hand cursive, dipping into that ink well, and the flow of the pen scratching on parchment, that stimulates and excercises a creative center in the brain. There's also something about a people having a common faith and scripture which serves as a poetic substrate for advanced levels of nuanced communication.

You match any hand written Civil War letter with something off of today's Twitterverse, and you begin to think that the plot of the movie Idiocracy has come to fruition.

Lincoln was a self made man. He worked very hard and was dedicted to bettering himself. He rose from humble surroundings and made himself into a wealthy lawyer and a lobbyist for the railroads. He was always running for something in politics.

But he was indeed a racist and a white seperatist and the notion that his war was about freeing the slaves only counted in the new territories to the west because the central government didn't want to discourage settlement there actually by whites then expecting them to try to compete with slave labor for their wages which they would want no part of.

[Heyduke]

Lincoln was a self made man. He worked very hard and was dedicted to bettering himself. He rose from humble surroundings and made himself into a wealthy lawyer and a lobbyist for the railroads. He was always running for something in politics.

But he was indeed a racist and a white seperatist and the notion that his war was about freeing the slaves only counted in the new territories to the west because the central government didn't want to discourage settlement there actually by whites then expecting them to try to compete with slave labor for their wages which they would want no part of.

Lincoln invited Frederick Douglass and company over to the White House and enthusiastically offered up his plan, which was to give every black American free passage back to Africa. That was his initial idea, to which Douglass said, "What the... ? You a dang lanky stanky stove hat wearin' ignant foo." That's a true story, except for the quote. That was Lincoln's brilliant idea, and he really couldn't understand why blacks would want to continue living in America. Maybe he had a point.

But, he did work on a barge down the Mississippi to New Orleans, and he did see the slave markets, and he was genuinely bothered by slavery. In his personal letters, he said as much. In his public speeches, he was not an overt abolutionist, and in his presidential campaign he practically assured the voters that abolition wasn't a priority for him.

But, after hundreds of thousands of soldiers died during the Civil War, he had to attach a purpose to their sacrifice. Abolition fit the bill.