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Cigar
03-17-2014, 02:15 PM
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Arizona GOP congressional candidate: Slavery wasn’t so bad, ‘kept business rolling’
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An Arizona Republican who is running to represent the state’s 2nd District in Congress wrote on Facebook that the institution of slavery wasn’t really so hard on slaves and was actually good for the economy.

According to the Root’s Keli Goff, Arizona congressional hopeful Jim Brown was trying to make a statement about federal spending and the nature of “entitlements” when he veered off course into racially offensive territory.

“Back in the day of slavery, slaves were kept in slavery by denying them education and opportunity while providing them with their basic needs,” wrote Brown. “Not by beating them and starving them,” he said, adding “Although there were isolated cases, of course.”

“Basically slave owners took pretty good care of their slaves and livestock and this kept business rolling along,” he said.

As Goff noted, “This flies in the face of all credible historical accounts.”

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/03/15/arizona-gop-congressional-candidate-slavery-wasnt-so-bad-kept-business-rolling/

Conservative writer upset ’12 Years A Slave’ doesn’t show happy slaves A Conservative writer is upset that the Oscar-winning movie 12 Years a Slave displays a negative light on slavery, instead of the happy times. Apparently the author of the article believes that being enslaved is a happy time for those who are taken from their country in chains, their families ripped apart, beaten into submission and forced to work grueling hours in the sun for nothing.

Politix reports, “But that negativity is merely anti-slavery “propaganda,” according to James Bowman in conservative magazine The American Spectator.”

Via American Spectator:


If ever in slavery’s 250-year history in North America there were a kind master or a contented slave, as in the nature of things there must have been, here and there, we may be sure that Mr McQueen does not want us to hear about it. This, in turn, surely means that his view of the history of the American South is as partial and one-sided as that of the hated Gone With the Wind.

…Yes, there was much cruelty and hardship in the slave-owning South, as there has been in most of the rest of the world most of the time, and Mr. McQueen’s camera is all over that. But it strains ordinary credulity to suppose that there was nothing else.

Mary Noble from Politix asks, “We are wondering, was Bowman equally aggrieved by the lack of happy Jews in Schindler’s List?”


http://freakoutnation.com/2014/03/05/conservative-writer-upset-12-years-a-slave-doesnt-show-happy-slaves/

Reince Priebus: Paul Ryan demonized ‘inner cities’ to help them Republican National Committee Chairman Reince Priebus on Sunday explained that Rep. Paul Ryan (R-WI) had recently blamed poverty on “inner cities” because he was working hard to help those communities.

In an interview with conservative radio host Bill Bennett last week, Ryan quoted the work of Charles Murray, a white nationalist, who has used “racist pseudoscience and misleading statistics to argue that social inequality is caused by the genetic inferiority,” according to the Southern Poverty Law Center.

“We have got this tailspin of culture in our inner cities in particular of men not working, and just generations of men not even thinking about working and learning the value and culture of work,” Ryan opined. “So, there’s a real culture problem here that has to be dealt with.”

The Wisconsin Republican later admitted that his comments were “inarticulate.”

On Sunday, CNN’s Candy Crowley asked Priebus if he thought the remarks were “artfully phrased.”

“I’m not sure,” Priebus shrugged. “Here’s what I would say, why was Paul even talking about this? The reason he was talking about it is he devoted a large part of his life — starting back when he worked for Jack Kemp — on finding ways to tackle poverty, to free up capital, to create opportunities in urban areas around this country.”

“Whatever race, whatever gender, we are the ones leading the way, I think, in this country on these issues,” he added. “And so I commend Paul for his work that he’s doing around country.”

Watch the video below from CNN’s State of the Union, broadcast March 16, 2014.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/03/16/reince-priebus-paul-ryan-demonized-inner-cities-to-help-them/

GOP Rejects Tea Party Candidate For Racist 'Operation Wetback' Project A candidate running for Rep. Steve Daines' (R-MT) vacated seat was turned away by the local Republican Party for the candidate's racist views.

According to The Missoulian (http://missoulian.com/news/state-and-regional/yellowstone-county-gop-turns-away-congressional-candidate-cites-racism/article_f8b482d0-aab5-11e3-bad8-0019bb2963f4.html) on Thursday, local Republicans turned away tea party candidate Drew Turiano from the Lincoln-Reagan Dinner on Saturday.

"We asked Mr. Turiano not to attend our event because we have no intention of allowing him a platform to spread hate and intolerance," Yellowstone County Republican Chairwoman Jennifer Owen said. "There is simply no place for racism in this party."

In the past Turiano has supported (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/26/drew-turiano-wetback_n_4344236.html) "Operation Wetback" a proposal to deport all immigrants living in the country illegally as well as their children even if they were born in the United States. While Turiano said that he was excluded from the event for his affiliation with the tea party (Owen denied that was the reason) he also acknowledged that it might have been for his support of Operation Wetback.

Read more: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/drew-turiano-montana-lincoln-reagan-dinner



Enjoy the Denials :laugh:

Mister D
03-17-2014, 02:19 PM
:laugh: So many lies. You have no dignity at all.

Cigar
03-17-2014, 02:23 PM
:laugh: So many lies. You have no dignity at all.

But YOU have NO Link to YOUR Facts. :grin:

Mister D
03-17-2014, 02:26 PM
But YOU have NO Link to YOUR Facts. :grin:

Neither do you. :smiley_ROFLMAO:Besides, you made the claims. You defend them.

Cigar
03-17-2014, 02:31 PM
Neither do you. :smiley_ROFLMAO:Besides, you made the claims. You defend them.

Which one of the Four (4) Links in my post are you denying truth; or is it automatically All of them :rollseyes:

Mister D
03-17-2014, 02:40 PM
Which one of the Four (4) Links in my post are you denying truth; or is it automatically All of them :rollseyes:

We can start here:


If ever in slavery’s 250-year history in North America there were a kind master or a contented slave, as in the nature of things there must have been, here and there, we may be sure that Mr McQueen does not want us to hear about it. This, in turn, surely means that his view of the history of the American South is as partial and one-sided as that of the hated Gone With the Wind.

…Yes, there was much cruelty and hardship in the slave-owning South, as there has been in most of the rest of the world most of the time, and Mr. McQueen’s camera is all over that. But it strains ordinary credulity to suppose that there was nothing else.

This isn't Black History class, Toby. :laugh: What he said is true. Moreover, no where does he suggest or imply that Negroes were happy to be slaves. What he criticizes is the popular and laughable depiction of slavery in the American south. Do you really think American planters ran about terrorizing their slaves 24/7? Wait...you probably do. :smiley_ROFLMAO:

Bob
03-17-2014, 02:46 PM
How bad was slavery?

First, know this

Africa is a major home to slavery. Today it still exists there.

Next, who beats a horse, a dog or other animal.

Some of course do.

But most do not.

FACTS

Slaves were taken care of

I invite any of you to the homes of both Washington and Jefferson to bear witness to their living conditions.

Why, given we had 12 slave owning presidents, don't we read the history of their mistreatment of the slaves they owned?

We don't get the names of the owners who allegedly beat slaves. We get stories.

Democrat are full of stories. They were the major owner of slaves, yet they lecture the rest of us.

Go figure that one out.

Here is a good one from Clint Eastwood

My Twilight Years ~ Clint Eastwood

As I enjoy my twilight years, I am often struck by the inevitability that the party must end. There will be a clear, cold morning when there isn’t any “more.” No more hugs, no more special moments to celebrate together, no more phone calls just to chat.

It seems to me that one of the important things to do before that morning comes, is to let every one of your family and friends know that you care for them by finding simple ways to let them know your heartfelt beliefs and the guiding principles of your life so they can always say, “He was my friend, and I know where he stood.”

So, just in case I’m gone tomorrow, please know this.

I voted against that incompetent, lying, flip-flopping, insincere, double-talking, radical socialist, terrorist excusing, bleeding heart, narcissistic, scientific and economic moron currently in the White House!

Participating in a gun buy back program because you think that criminals have too many guns is like having yourself castrated because you think your neighbors have too many kids.

Regards,

Clint

Bob
03-17-2014, 02:50 PM
We are not beaten by the Feds though they demand part of our daily wages in tribute to the owners.

We are however treated like slaves were. By saying slaves were beaten, the ploy is that we will really believe this.

The art of Democrats propaganda is the repetition tactic.

Give no actual cases to study, just say it over and over it praying they can blame others.

Trouble is, democrats were the slave owners. They now lord it over the public. I see no repenting by them for those sins.

midcan5
03-17-2014, 03:06 PM
The wingnuts who claim to be great lovers of freedom apologizing for slavery above is one of the most hypocritical spectacles I have seen ever. Do these birdbrains think for a moment what it was like to be a slave, a bought sold and totally controlled human being. It shows you that the right wing has no substance and no depth of soul or compassion.

http://www.americanlynching.com/photos-old.htm

Maybe just a few slaves were beaten or hung thus it was just like being in heaven, you right wingers are total and complete idiots. Ideology makes you stupid, does that not occur to you? I guess not.

Mister D
03-17-2014, 03:09 PM
The wingnuts who claim to be great lovers of freedom apologizing for slavery above is one of the most hypocritical spectacles I have seen ever. Do these birdbrains think for a moment what it was like to be a slave, a bought sold and totally controlled human being. It shows you that the right wing has no substance and no depth of soul or compassion.

http://www.americanlynching.com/photos-old.htm

Maybe just a few slaves were beaten or hung thus it was just like being in heaven, you right wingers are total and complete idiots. Ideology makes you stupid, does that not occur to you? I guess not.

Yes, your ideology does make you stupid. So who apologized for slavery? What? lol

Bob
03-17-2014, 03:16 PM
The wingnuts who claim to be great lovers of freedom apologizing for slavery above is one of the most hypocritical spectacles I have seen ever. Do these birdbrains think for a moment what it was like to be a slave, a bought sold and totally controlled human being. It shows you that the right wing has no substance and no depth of soul or compassion.

http://www.americanlynching.com/photos-old.htm

Maybe just a few slaves were beaten or hung thus it was just like being in heaven, you right wingers are total and complete idiots. Ideology makes you stupid, does that not occur to you? I guess not.

We are slaves today. Never mind how it was well over a century ago. I make no apology. Matter of fact, I feel sorry for the past slaves. But not for your reasons. Were they to be beat daily, how long do you suppose you can force a slave to work? Would you work were you beaten to the point you needed to be in a hospital?

Slaves worked for the same reason we all have to work. To try to use what little bit of freedom remaining to us as we wish.

Say I plan to buy a car. A car is governed by the government.
I want gasoline. Governed by the government.
Take my kid to school. It is run by government.
Stop at the store. Governed by government.
Food there; governed.
Taxed on leaving the store. Pay the government.
Hell, this country has 2.65 million law books. If that is not control, what the hell is?

Bob
03-17-2014, 03:18 PM
What cracks me up about the slaves were lynched argument is how much this just like right now.

This country hauls men to court who are actually innocent.

Declares them guilty and puts them to death.

Then proclaims how just it is and how fair it is.

Only a democrat defends this hypocrisy.

Ravi
03-17-2014, 04:47 PM
We can start here:



This isn't Black History class, Toby. :laugh: What he said is true. Moreover, no where does he suggest or imply that Negroes were happy to be slaves. What he criticizes is the popular and laughable depiction of slavery in the American south. Do you really think American planters ran about terrorizing their slaves 24/7? Wait...you probably do. :smiley_ROFLMAO:
What he does is excuse slavery because some moron was content being a slave. If that is even true.

Ravi
03-17-2014, 04:49 PM
What cracks me up about the slaves were lynched argument is how much this just like right now.

This country hauls men to court who are actually innocent.

Declares them guilty and puts them to death.

Then proclaims how just it is and how fair it is.

Only a democrat defends this hypocrisy.
Yes the government does do that. Which is why everyone should be against the death penalty.

How does that justify slavery? Next you'll be telling me that paying taxes is the same thing as being forced to work all your life on a plantation with no pay.

Oh, wait.

Mister D
03-17-2014, 04:52 PM
What he does is excuse slavery because some moron was content being a slave. If that is even true.

no, he doesn't excuse slavery or apologize for it. For some reason, that there likely were a great many contented slaves bothers some folks. So much so they can't discuss this rationally.

Mister D
03-17-2014, 04:53 PM
Yes the government does do that. Which is why everyone should be against the death penalty.

How does that justify slavery? Next you'll be telling me that paying taxes is the same thing as being forced to work all your life on a plantation with no pay.

Oh, wait.

I don't know. How does it justify slavery?

Ravi
03-17-2014, 04:54 PM
no, he doesn't excuse slavery or apologize for it. For some reason, that there likely were a great many contented slaves bothers some folks. So much so they can't discuss this rationally.
Likely? I don't care if they were all happy, it doesn't excuse it. Next you'll tell me Catholic choir boys like it.

Mister D
03-17-2014, 04:55 PM
Likely? I don't care if they were all happy, it doesn't excuse it. Next you'll tell me Catholic choir boys like it.

no one excusing slavery Ravi. Man, they wind you up and you go!

Mister D
03-17-2014, 04:56 PM
It's so easy to get away with lying in this political environment. If people want to believe what you're saying they will.

Ravi
03-17-2014, 05:05 PM
It's so easy to get away with lying in this political environment. If people want to believe what you're saying they will.

True. A lot of posters believe you.

Gerrard Winstanley
03-17-2014, 06:07 PM
Either we can keep raising a ruckus every week over the semantic technicalities of something the elites among our ancient ancestors dedicated themselves to, or move onto more pressing concerns. Slavery was vile - the bare notion of claiming another human being as disposable property is perverse, be you a friendly owner or not -, but we are in no position to apologize for it, let alone comprehend it.

Mister D
03-17-2014, 06:12 PM
Either we can keep raising a ruckus every week over the semantic technicalities of something the elites among our ancient ancestors dedicated themselves to, or move onto more pressing concerns. Slavery was vile - the bare notion of claiming another human being as disposable property is perverse, be you a friendly owner or not -, but we are in no position to apologize for it, let alone comprehend it.

What do you mean by semantic technicalities?

Gerrard Winstanley
03-17-2014, 06:18 PM
What do you mean by semantic technicalities?
Whether it's "racist", "xenophobic", "Republican" to voice an opinion on slavery, however ill-judged or disagreeable it may be. The game's getting really stupid now.

Mister D
03-17-2014, 06:28 PM
Whether it's "racist", "xenophobic", "Republican" to voice an opinion on slavery, however ill-judged or disagreeable it may be. The game's getting really stupid now.

He didn't really voice an opinion on slavery and he's right but what he actually said isn't even being addressed.

Yes, the game is stupid but far too many Americans are willing to play it. This is what passes for political discussion in the US. This is what people talk about.

Gerrard Winstanley
03-17-2014, 06:32 PM
He didn't really voice an opinion on slavery.

Yes, the game is stupid but far too many Americans are willing to play it. This is what passes for political discussion in the US. This is what people talk about.
We have no licence to repent for, and little basis to understand, the actions of long-deceased generations, operating under a radically different moral code and with none of the scientific, philosophical or political enlightenment we enjoy today. I care very little whether most Americans think this is a good idea, it's actually pretty unhealthy.

Mister D
03-17-2014, 06:36 PM
We have no licence to repent for, and little basis to understand, the actions of long-deceased generations, operating under a radically different moral code and with none of the scientific, philosophical or political enlightenment we enjoy today. I care very little whether most Americans think this is a good idea, it's actually pretty unhealthy.

We enjoy nothing of the kind but I agree we can't and shouldn't repent for what our ancestors did. It's an empty, meaningless gesture.

Gerrard Winstanley
03-17-2014, 06:39 PM
We enjoy nothing of the kind but I agree we can't and shouldn't repent for what our ancestors did. It's an empty, meaningless gesture.
Do you think it's okay to beat women? Hold blacks as subhuman chattel? Castrate homosexuals? We're not perfect, but there has been a massive shift in general ethical standards over the last two centuries.

Mister D
03-17-2014, 07:06 PM
Do you think it's okay to beat women? Hold blacks as subhuman chattel? Castrate homosexuals? We're not perfect, but there has been a massive shift in general ethical standards over the last two centuries.

Has there? I was born in the most barbaric century in recorded history. I reject this modern conceit and all such notions of moral progress. Our technological achievements make us believe we're better men. We're not.

Cigar
03-17-2014, 07:07 PM
Either we can keep raising a ruckus every week over the semantic technicalities of something the elites among our ancient ancestors dedicated themselves to, or move onto more pressing concerns. Slavery was vile - the bare notion of claiming another human being as disposable property is perverse, be you a friendly owner or not -, but we are in no position to apologize for it, let alone comprehend it.

Dude I'm just reporting the actual words that coming out of their mouths :grin:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=cJX1REQB12o

Cigar
03-17-2014, 07:08 PM
We can start here:



This isn't Black History class, Toby. :laugh: What he said is true. Moreover, no where does he suggest or imply that Negroes were happy to be slaves. What he criticizes is the popular and laughable depiction of slavery in the American south. Do you really think American planters ran about terrorizing their slaves 24/7? Wait...you probably do. :smiley_ROFLMAO:

Wonder Bread speaks :smiley_ROFLMAO:

Mister D
03-17-2014, 07:09 PM
Wonder Bread speaks :smiley_ROFLMAO:

Dude, that was lame.

Cigar
03-17-2014, 07:13 PM
Dude, that was lame.

What lame is that you think there's a competition ... :laugh:

Mister D
03-17-2014, 07:23 PM
What lame is that you think there's a competition ... :laugh:

What? :smiley_ROFLMAO:Dude, just stop. You're not good at this.

Gerrard Winstanley
03-18-2014, 02:05 AM
Dude I'm just reporting the actual words that coming out of their mouths :grin:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=cJX1REQB12o
You're both as bad as each-other.

nathanbforrest45
03-18-2014, 06:55 AM
My grandparents on my mother's side came from Sicily in the 1880's and my ancestors on my father's side were sharecroppers in Arkansas and Tennessee. Neither side owned slaves so I have nothing, absolutely nothing, to apologize for.

One cannot even utter the word slave without automatically being labeled a racist as though only Africans were enslaved in the history of the world.

Gerrard Winstanley
03-18-2014, 08:58 AM
Has there? I was born in the most barbaric century in recorded history. I reject this modern conceit and all such notions of moral progress. Our technological achievements make us believe we're better men. We're not.
You deny the ethical conceptions of the man on the street are essentially different?

Mister D
03-18-2014, 10:01 AM
You deny the ethical conceptions of the man on the street are essentially different?

I would if there were such a man. That's another modern (i.e. western) conceit. I flatly deny that we are any better than our forebears.