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dattaswami
03-14-2012, 11:52 AM
Ans: All bad qualities are created by God with a positive sense only. When we misplace these qualities, they become negative. In spiritual path, feeling egoistic or proud that you are the devotee of God develops faith and confidence in yourself. Becoming jealous by seeing a good devotee will provoke the development of devotion in you. Thus, ego and jealousy are good with positive values. There is nothing negative in the creation because everything is created by God with a positive sense only. But, the same become negative by misplacement.

Suppose you harm others due to ego and jealousy, they become negative. Even in worldly matters, the positive value is realized. It is said that a student grows in knowledge by the spirit of competition, which is nothing but positive jealousy (spardhaya vardhate vidya). The spiritual knowledge leads to realization of experiences in life and this is the best way to eradicate both. If you realize that God is responsible for any achievement of any human being, both are destroyed. To help the realization of this concept, God gives us practical experiences in life. Often, God disposes many things proposed by man.

Generally, your plans fail and your achievements are unplanned. By this, God preaches us that we are not responsible for our achievements and that He is actually responsible. When you are not realizing this even after several experiences, God condemns you and then several parameters of nature start working for failure or success. If you have realized that you are not responsible for achievement, ego is eradicated. Since you are realized that achievements of others are also due to God, there is no place for jealousy and it is also dried like a tree after cutting its root. Therefore, the acquirement of spiritual knowledge leading to the realization of God given experiences in the life is the best way to eradicate ego and jealousy.


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MMC
03-14-2012, 04:42 PM
To Counter Ahankar/Vanity.....one only need respond with Dinta/Humility.

Para Vidya.....Self knowledge; self realization; spirtual knowledge the sum of the objective world- like the knowledge of the Vedas, Astrology, Conduct, Morals, and Ethics. :wink:

MMC
03-14-2012, 04:46 PM
Attachment/Moha also could be part of jealousy.

dattaswami
03-14-2012, 09:44 PM
Attachment/Moha also could be part of jealousy.
Selfishness is not some material to be blown away applying some physical instruments and physical forces. It is conceptual nervous energy existing in the mind and the concept is totally wrong. A wrong concept can be removed by right concept only. A diamond can be cut by another diamond only. Of course, while cutting the diamond, not only another diamond is required but also the force in the process of cutting is required. Another diamond is knowledge and the force in the process of cutting is devotion. Therefore, the right concept associated with devotion to God can only succeed in destroying the selfishness.

When the selfishness is cut at the root, your service to God will be perfect and will please God. The service to God with selfishness will not fetch you the real grace from God. You can only receive some boons to satisfy your selfishness. In fact, the selfishness grows more and more by the boons just like the fire grows more and more by receiving the ghee. The process of pacification of selfishness increases it more and more. You can never subside the selfishness by such process of pacification. The selfishness really subsides when it is cut by knowledge associated with devotion. Then your service to God without selfishness will fetch you the real and immense grace from the God.
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MMC
03-15-2012, 03:15 AM
Selfishness is not some material to be blown away applying some physical instruments and physical forces. It is conceptual nervous energy existing in the mind and the concept is totally wrong. A wrong concept can be removed by right concept only. A diamond can be cut by another diamond only. Of course, while cutting the diamond, not only another diamond is required but also the force in the process of cutting is required. Another diamond is knowledge and the force in the process of cutting is devotion. Therefore, the right concept associated with devotion to God can only succeed in destroying the selfishness.

When the selfishness is cut at the root, your service to God will be perfect and will please God. The service to God with selfishness will not fetch you the real grace from God. You can only receive some boons to satisfy your selfishness. In fact, the selfishness grows more and more by the boons just like the fire grows more and more by receiving the ghee. The process of pacification of selfishness increases it more and more. You can never subside the selfishness by such process of pacification. The selfishness really subsides when it is cut by knowledge associated with devotion. Then your service to God without selfishness will fetch you the real and immense grace from the God.
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Then there were LASERS!!!!! :wink: Which then proved that only another diamond could cut another diamond. To be proven false.

Moreover.....that which is of the physical and the mind cannot be taken into the planes of soul. As the book was already written. Hence paying the karma debt from the previous life.

Until those get on the path. They will return!

roadmaster
03-15-2012, 03:21 AM
We are merely tools. If I plant a seed and one becomes saved, I was merely the tool He does all the work and speaks to their hearts. There is no need for jealously. We are just here and all have a purpose. He is responsible for our achievements but He also gives us gifts such as wisdom ect. To say we are not important to him is not true. I do not believe our achievements are unplanned. Through Him all things are possible.

dattaswami
03-15-2012, 05:29 AM
We are merely tools. If I plant a seed and one becomes saved, I was merely the tool He does all the work and speaks to their hearts. There is no need for jealously. We are just here and all have a purpose. He is responsible for our achievements but He also gives us gifts such as wisdom ect. To say we are not important to him is not true. I do not believe our achievements are unplanned. Through Him all things are possible.

God is helping you million times more than your family
If you have to be grateful to your parents, wife and children, how much you should be grateful to God on the same basis of help done to you? Since you have not realized the help of God, you are less grateful to God. You have over estimated the help of your family and you are more grateful to the worldly bonds. God is helping you million times more than your family and His help is continuous for millions of births even though you are not grateful to Him. The help from your family is limited to this birth and if you analyze you will find that business is always hidden in your worldly bonds. Veda says that any soul loves you since you are the means of its happiness (Atmanah kamayaÖ.). Hence, voting for God and rejecting worldly bonds is not violation of justice but it is based on the same very very justice only.

Lack of deep knowledge and analysis makes it to appear as voting for God against justice. But in fact, it is only voting for highest justice and rejecting higher justice. When you reject prostitute before your wife, it is voting to higher justice against lower justice or injustice. Justice and injustice are only comparative terms. If a bachelor loves a prostitute and marries her as social reform, such love to the prostitute becomes justice only. Hence, justice becomes injustice and vice-versa in different contexts. It is only a relative concept. Therefore, establishment of justice means establishment of both Pravrutti and Nivrutti (identifying the present human form of God and selfless service to Him). You can identify the justice at every level through the torchlight of analytical knowledge. Therefore, if you cannot identify justice in Pravrutti, how can you identify justice in Nivrutti? If you cannot vote for your wife against a prostitute, how can you vote for God against your wife?

Hence, analytical knowledge and voting for justice continue without any change in both Pravrutti and Nivrutti. Hence, Lord stressed on establishment of justice only and this covers both Pravrutti and Nivrutti. The high justice becomes injustice before higher justice.

roadmaster
03-15-2012, 07:06 AM
Ah but you canít even compare Christianity to Buddhism. Even in the followers they could find no peace before death. Buddha make it clear he was a man not a God, he doesnít deny God but is more of an agnostic and most important denies the soul. Egotism or selfish desire causes the illusion of an ego. Buddhism does know greed, just doesnít know God. They speak of selfish desire but canít distinguish between selfish love. No prophecy foretold the coming of Buddha, Confucius or Muhammad.

Just a suggestion but maybe you should seek wisdom and ask the truth to be reveled to you instead of relying on others and their thinking. Maybe not, your choice.

dattaswami
03-15-2012, 07:14 AM
Ah but you canít even compare Christianity to Buddhism. Even in the followers they could find no peace before death. Buddha make it clear he was a man not a God, he doesnít deny God but is more of an agnostic and most important denies the soul. Egotism or selfish desire causes the illusion of an ego. Buddhism does know greed, just doesnít know God. They speak of selfish desire but canít distinguish between selfish love. No prophecy foretold the coming of Buddha, Confucius or Muhammad.

Just a suggestion but maybe you should seek wisdom and ask the truth to be reveled to you instead of relying on others and their thinking. Maybe not, your choice.

When God enters the soul and body of His most beloved devotee (son of God), such devotee is called as the human incarnation. In the human incarnation, we find both God and Son of God mixed with each other in a perfect homogeneous state so that both are inseparable like the wire and the current in the live wire. The wire is the Son of God and current is God. The live wire is the human incarnation. The live wire must be treated as the current and there is no alternative way to experience the existence of current.

In this context, the misunderstanding arises. The live wire says that it is moving the fan. In fact, the current is speaking this through the wire. People misunderstand that the bloody wire is boasting about itself as itself moving the fan. The live wire looks like any other wire as far as the properties of the wire (metallic nature, leanness, etc.,) are concerned. This makes other wires to think that the live wire is also an ordinary wire without current, which is boasting about itself. This confusion lead to the crucifixion of Jesus by the public.

When Jesus claimed that He is the truth, the light and the Father of the heaven, this claim was not from the Son of God, but it was from God Himself. But, the observers have misunderstood this statement as that of Jesus. When the speaker is invisible, the mike looks as if it is speaking by itself. Here, at any time the speaker is not converted into mike or the current is not converted into wire. The two units exist separately even during the time of the human incarnation in which, both are homogeneously mixed to form a single phase. If this point is realized, Jesus might have escaped the crucifixion. It is this point, which is stressed by Mohammed. He said that God would never become human being or the vice-versa. This does not mean that the Son of God should not be treated as God in the human incarnation by the devotees.

If you deny this assumption of treating the Son of God as God, the devotees become dissatisfied because they prayed God for the experience of God and service to God. Then the very purpose of the human incarnation is lost. Mohammed clarified this concept to avoid the danger. But, His followers misunderstood that He denied the very concept of human incarnation. Thus Buddha and Mohammed should be taken as the preachers who warned about the reality of the concept to avoid the danger of loosing the highest fruit and punishing the human incarnation respectively. The followers have extrapolated the preaching and as a result, Buddhists thought that God does not exist and Muslims thought that the human incarnation does not exist.

The concept of human incarnation is introduced and explained well by Krishna in the Gita and Jesus in the Bible. Krishna says that God enters the human being and Jesus says that God is in flesh. This clearly means that God is neither the human being nor the flesh at any time. Buddha and Mohammed clarified the misunderstandings of the human beings about this concept. Buddha indicated God as unimaginable through silence and Mohammed indicated God as invisible.

The desire to become God comes generally, when God is seen by eyes in human form. Generally, the concept of human incarnation is avoided only to avoid the birth of this desire to become God. When God is invisible, generally the human tendency is to get some benefit from the invisible God and not to become God. But, Alas! The Advaitin has not left even the invisible God! He wants to become even that invisible God! Why becoming God? He claims that he is already God. For this, he proposed that God is the invisible awareness (soul), which exists in his body mixed with qualities, which is called as the individual soul (jeeva). He proposed that simple filtration of qualities from the soul will yield the absolute God because according to him God is pure awareness without qualities. The Advaitin gave his own false concept of God and also his own false way to become God.