Nanny state future America

[CAPUSAFcadet23]

In the movie Demolition Man future society is depicted as an nanny state utopia where everything that is bad for you is banned. The leader of that society even looked like Michael Bloomberg. Do you think America is headed for this future? What can be done stop these tyrants from taking away our liberties? Who the hell do they think they are telling me what to eat, believe, and wear? I think if the utopians were to seize power and take away all liberties the proud patriots of the US Armed forces would be angered at the ruining of the United States and retake America! I think the utopian ideology is a threat to our liberties. They want to take away our freedoms. The utopians think that they are superior to the average American. They disrespect the American way of life.
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[Cigar]

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[The Sage of Main Street]

In the movie Demolition Man, future society is depicted as an nanny state utopia where everything that is bad for you is banned. The leader of that society even looked like Michael Bloomberg. Do you think America is headed for this future? What can be done stop these tyrants from taking away our liberties? Who the hell do they think they are telling me what to eat, believe, and wear? I think if the utopians were to seize power and take away all liberties the proud patriots of the US Armed forces would be angered at the ruining of the United States and retake America! I think the progressive ideology are a threat to our liberties. They want to take away our freedoms. The progs think that they are superior to the average American. They disrespect the American way of life.
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Cut off the children of the rich from Daddy's Money at age 18. Their present unAmerican birth privileges give them an unearned Born to Rule attitude. So they either become corporate tyrants or government busybody nannies. The other ones in power in the twin tyrannies of business and government are just brown-nosing ambitious imbeciles and don't affect the policy of the Preppy Republic.

[MrJimmyDale]

^^^^^I think that might even cure global warming!!!!!

[CAPUSAFcadet23]

Cut off the children of the rich from Daddy's Money at age 18. Their present unAmerican birth privileges give them an unearned Born to Rule attitude. So they either become corporate tyrants or government busybody nannies. The other ones in power in the twin tyrannies of business and government are just brown-nosing ambitious imbeciles and don't affect the policy of the Preppy Republic.

Down with those utopians who want to take away our freedoms! They are not in touch with the average American!

[MrJimmyDale]

Down with the Preppy Republic! They are not in touch with the average American! Sage has ruined you..........

:)

[CAPUSAFcadet23]

Seriously why do these liberal progs want take away everything that is good about America?

[MrJimmyDale]

Seriously why do these liberal progs want take away everything that is good about America? Everything is about power and money........from both sides

[CAPUSAFcadet23]

Everything is about power and money........from both sides

Then what can the American people do to fight against the greedy politicians that want to take away our liberty? Form another political party?

[patrickt]

Some of the utiopians even want a force of heroes to stamp out bullying in the schools.

[CAPUSAFcadet23]

Some of the utiopians even want a force of heroes to stamp out bullying in the schools.

Maybe I was a little naive but I'm okay with the force of heroes as long as they teach those being bullied to fend for themselves.

[exotix]

In the movie Demolition Man future society is depicted as an nanny state utopia where everything that is bad for you is banned.



Problem is, the Utopian society that had emerged in Demolition Man was because America had become the vision of teabaggers ... Sandy Hook every moment.

[Ravi]

In the movie Demolition Man future society is depicted as an nanny state utopia where everything that is bad for you is banned. The leader of that society even looked like Michael Bloomberg. Do you think America is headed for this future? What can be done stop these tyrants from taking away our liberties? Who the hell do they think they are telling me what to eat, believe, and wear? I think if the utopians were to seize power and take away all liberties the proud patriots of the US Armed forces would be angered at the ruining of the United States and retake America! I think the utopian ideology is a threat to our liberties. They want to take away our freedoms. The utopians think that they are superior to the average American. They disrespect the American way of life.
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Wait, wut? Do you claim to speak for all the nanny state military members?

Because if you do, you are both delusional and highly amusing.

[CAPUSAFcadet23]

Wait, wut? Do you claim to speak for all the nanny state military members?

Because if you do, you are both delusional and highly amusing.

Sorry II believe there are military members of all beliefs. Not everyone in the military is a die hard conservative. The most liberal person I knew just enlisted. I was just blowing off steam.

[bladimz]

Demolition Man is a SyFy fantasy... You can fuss about that or you can look at something a little more realistic and of much more relevence.

Here's just the trailer of a film that's available through netflix:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCbAyk8aRxI
If you get the chance, watch the movie... it tells you what's going on in this country right now, and what's happening to the middle class. OUR middle class.

Worrying about some "utopians" seems like a waste of time. Stick with reality.

[Peter1469]

Problem is, the Utopian society that had emerged in Demolition Man was because America had become the vision of teabaggers ... Sandy Hook every moment.

Post fail.

[Peter1469]

Demolition Man is a SyFy fantasy... You can fuss about that or you can look at something a little more realistic and of much more relevence.

Here's just the trailer of a film that's available through netflix:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCbAyk8aRxI
If you get the chance, watch the movie... it tells you what's going on in this country right now, and what's happening to the middle class. OUR middle class.

Worrying about some "utopians" seems like a waste of time. Stick with reality.

The administration policies are deliberately killing the middle class.

[exotix]

Post fail.
More like a thread fail ... Demolition Man ? Really ?

[CAPUSAFcadet23]

The administration policies are deliberately killing the middle class.

I agree. Too many regulations keep businesses from growing.

[bladimz]

I agree. Too many regulations keep businesses from growing.This is much bigger than just some "too many regulations" belly-aching. We de-regulated Wall Street and that turned out just fabulous. I'm still doing handsprings.

[bladimz]

The administration policies are deliberately killing the middle class.What's killing the middle class is that it's not allowed to grow. It's being forced to shrink. One good way to keep it going in that direction is to deny hard-working americans who used to belong to the middle class the opportunity to become a part of the middle class again. A really great way to do that is to keep the minimum wage at a point that allows a person working a 40-hour week at minimum to make circa 15K... below poverty level in this country. Where is the sound thinking that insists that raising the min. wage is wrong?

[Mainecoons]

Yeah, we've watched as more and more government taxation and regulation has killed more and more jobs and made it cheaper to "hire" machines rather than people. And your solution is to increase that incentive.

That same government, starting with Teddy's immigration "reform" and open borders by default policies has flooded the unskilled and semi-skilled labor markets driving down wages. And your solution is more of that.

You still don't get it, Blad. You never will.

[Peter1469]

And that is government meddling like with Obamacare et al.


What's killing the middle class is that it's not allowed to grow. It's being forced to shrink. One good way to keep it going in that direction is to deny hard-working americans who used to belong to the middle class the opportunity to become a part of the middle class again. A really great way to do that is to keep the minimum wage at a point that allows a person working a 40-hour week at minimum to make circa 15K... below poverty level in this country. Where is the sound thinking that insists that raising the min. wage is wrong?

[bladimz]

And that is government meddling like with Obamacare et al.With all the strong anti-unionist attitude among conservatives, i guess most of them think that business should have the freedom to call the shots on how little they can pay their employees. If you don't want unions to speak on behalf of the individual workers, who else can? Only the government, my friend. If the unions aren't wanted in the picture, and you don't want government to even raise the min. wage, it sounds like you simply believe that "free-market competition" will set a fair wage. That's not realistic. That's a dream.

[Mainecoons]

Like I said, you'll never get it. The government has piled one disincentive on top of another for hiring people. In addition to the ones I mentioned above, add free trade with sweat shop countries.

Your beloved leftist government has destroyed the middle class Blad. Be a man and take responsibility for what your ideas have done.

[exotix]

And that is government meddling like with Obamacare et al.
The OP could have used Rollerball as the example .. where Big Corps. can create a much better nanny-state ... LOL.

[Peter1469]

I am only against government sector unions. As far as the private sector goes, let the people decide. Unions could be great if they weren't organs of the DNC.


With all the strong anti-unionist attitude among conservatives, i guess most of them think that business should have the freedom to call the shots on how little they can pay their employees. If you don't want unions to speak on behalf of the individual workers, who else can? Only the government, my friend. If the unions aren't wanted in the picture, and you don't want government to even raise the min. wage, it sounds like you simply believe that "free-market competition" will set a fair wage. That's not realistic. That's a dream.

[Peter1469]

The OP could have used Rollerball as the example .. where Big Corps. can create a much better nanny-state ... LOL.

I am against that too Exo.

[Cigar]

Seriously why do these liberal progs want take away everything that is good about America?

The answer is really simple, because it ain't just YOUR America Anymore; so feel free to check-out at the front desk :thumbsup:

[donttread]

In the movie Demolition Man future society is depicted as an nanny state utopia where everything that is bad for you is banned. The leader of that society even looked like Michael Bloomberg. Do you think America is headed for this future? What can be done stop these tyrants from taking away our liberties? Who the hell do they think they are telling me what to eat, believe, and wear? I think if the utopians were to seize power and take away all liberties the proud patriots of the US Armed forces would be angered at the ruining of the United States and retake America! I think the utopian ideology is a threat to our liberties. They want to take away our freedoms. The utopians think that they are superior to the average American. They disrespect the American way of life.
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This would be far less of an issue if the feds would operate within the Constitution

[nathanbforrest45]

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Well, that's an exceptionally stupid post based on the topic.

[Cigar]

Well, that's an exceptionally stupid post based on the topic.

Glad to help :laugh:

[nathanbforrest45]

Glad to help :laugh:


Or rather "Glad to show off my stupidity".

[Cigar]

Or rather "Glad to show off my stupidity".

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[nathanbforrest45]

Unions are by their very nature socialist/collective organizations. The "us vs them" mentality effectively destroys any semblance of the individual and free trade. "Workers" are not entitled to anything other than what they have agreed to. Is coercion of the owners more moral than coercion of the worker? If I think I am worth $10.00 an hour and a company is only willing to pay $8.00 by what right can I shut down that plant until they meet my demands. I am not chained to my job. I can always go elsewhere. Negotiation is one thing, coercion and vandalism to get your way is quite another.

[The Sage of Main Street]

This would be far less of an issue if the feds would operate within the Constitution

Americans are brainwashed to look at the Constitution like Fundamentalists look at the Bible. It should have been just a temporary start-up document, to be superseded by all subsequent legislation. The fact that we first have to ask whether a proposal is Constitutional. rather than only ask whether it is good for the country, proves that the Constitution is not good for the country.

[donttread]

americans are brainwashed to look at the constitution like fundamentalists look at the bible. It should have been just a temporary start-up document, to be superseded by all subsequent legislation. The fact that we first have to ask whether a proposal is constitutional. Rather than only ask whether it is good for the country, proves that the constitution is not good for the country.

wtf?

[zelmo1234]

Down with those utopians who want to take away our freedoms! They are not in touch with the average American!

Would that mean the freedom to earn money and do with it what you wish, like give it to your kids.

I am still waiting for the brilliant Sage to tell me why he can't make it in this great country? other than the fact he is not willing to work we have not figured it out just yet

[zelmo1234]

Problem is, the Utopian society that had emerged in Demolition Man was because America had become the vision of teabaggers ... Sandy Hook every moment.

Yes the TEA baggers that want to put armed guards in the schools so the shooting s don't' happen anymore of the liberal progressives that want guns as far from schools as they can get them, so more shootings happen, and they can intact more gun laws that do nothing to stop these events. eventually disarming the public so they can have total control over them?

Oh! and I finally found that TEA party manifesto that you keep telling us about! Here is a copy for you reading pleasure

http://constitutionus.com/

[zelmo1234]

Demolition Man is a SyFy fantasy... You can fuss about that or you can look at something a little more realistic and of much more relevence.

Here's just the trailer of a film that's available through netflix:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCbAyk8aRxI
If you get the chance, watch the movie... it tells you what's going on in this country right now, and what's happening to the middle class. OUR middle class.

Worrying about some "utopians" seems like a waste of time. Stick with reality.

What is happening to the middle class is exactly what the liberals and progressives want to happen to the middle class

This is not happening by accident

[zelmo1234]

This is much bigger than just some "too many regulations" belly-aching. We de-regulated Wall Street and that turned out just fabulous. I'm still doing handsprings.

OR? We could look at the fact that the equity in housing policies forced banks to loan money to people that could not afford to pay the loans back?

And the deregulations just provided a way for them to do this without going bankrupt.

Bye the Bye, those policies of having to loan money to people that can't pay it back are still in place today

[zelmo1234]

What's killing the middle class is that it's not allowed to grow. It's being forced to shrink. One good way to keep it going in that direction is to deny hard-working americans who used to belong to the middle class the opportunity to become a part of the middle class again. A really great way to do that is to keep the minimum wage at a point that allows a person working a 40-hour week at minimum to make circa 15K... below poverty level in this country. Where is the sound thinking that insists that raising the min. wage is wrong?

Yes because minimum wage has always been the pathway to the middle class? NOT!

What is keeping wages low is unemployment!

In 2006, you could get a signing bonus for taking a full time job and McDonalds or Burger King and staying for 3 months.

You have liberal policies that are preventing the economy from growing, and that is keeping unemployment high and the work force participation and historical lows.

Raising the minimum wage will only produce more unemployment, inflation and further weaken the middle class! But liberals are hell bent on pushing this issue.

Like I said earlier the decline of the middle calss is by liberal design, because this is the key to there power base!

[zelmo1234]

With all the strong anti-unionist attitude among conservatives, i guess most of them think that business should have the freedom to call the shots on how little they can pay their employees. If you don't want unions to speak on behalf of the individual workers, who else can? Only the government, my friend. If the unions aren't wanted in the picture, and you don't want government to even raise the min. wage, it sounds like you simply believe that "free-market competition" will set a fair wage. That's not realistic. That's a dream.

Why is it in times of economic growth and low unemployment that wages go up?

[zelmo1234]

The answer is really simple, because it ain't just YOUR America Anymore; so feel free to check-out at the front desk :thumbsup:

OR! feel free to vote for those that are likely to bring freedom back to America! They are not likely to be found in the Republican party and they sure the hell will not be found in the Democratic party.

However the reset button is near at hand, when we hit the insolvency wall and the social welfare programs end! Conservative values will make a huge comeback

[zelmo1234]

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What you have a White Ass now? what the hell?

[zelmo1234]

Americans are brainwashed to look at the Constitution like Fundamentalists look at the Bible. It should have been just a temporary start-up document, to be superseded by all subsequent legislation. The fact that we first have to ask whether a proposal is Constitutional. rather than only ask whether it is good for the country, proves that the Constitution is not good for the country.

They already have that it is called an amendment!

Most are too lazy to try and change it!

[Mini Me]

In the movie Demolition Man future society is depicted as an nanny state utopia where everything that is bad for you is banned. The leader of that society even looked like Michael Bloomberg. Do you think America is headed for this future? What can be done stop these tyrants from taking away our liberties? Who the hell do they think they are telling me what to eat, believe, and wear? I think if the utopians were to seize power and take away all liberties the proud patriots of the US Armed forces would be angered at the ruining of the United States and retake America! I think the utopian ideology is a threat to our liberties. They want to take away our freedoms. The utopians think that they are superior to the average American. They disrespect the American way of life.
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Bloomberg is the epitomy of Nanny state!

He is also a big apologist for the sins of Wall Street, like Cuomo and Chuck Schumer of NY. They are abberations, and not typical of true liberals who value personal liberty. Third Way Duhmocraps!

The Duhmocrap well was poisoned years ago with these types. As well as Rethuglicans.

[Mini Me]

OR! feel free to vote for those that are likely to bring freedom back to America! They are not likely to be found in the Republican party and they sure the hell will not be found in the Democratic party.

However the reset button is near at hand, when we hit the insolvency wall and the social welfare programs end! Conservative values will make a huge comeback


Yeah, those con values will result in millions of destitute folks, homeless, and roaming the streets, while Granny scrounges for food out of dumpsters, and rioters run amok, and rape and steal and burn cities to the ground! And the internment camps will overflow, as we will be run by martial law, and slavery makes its comeback with the corporate fascists and MIC in complete control!

This is the NWO Utopia you dream about!

Gosh! It almost sounds like pre Hitler Germany! Amazing!

[Mini Me]

Seriously why do these liberal progs want take away everything that is good about America?

America began a serious downhill slide after the Reagan inauguration, and the corporate bosses took over the reigns of power from the people.

But I cannot teach history to you, as you are so deep into the poisoned well of corporatist pigs and "conservatism".
The brainwashing runs so deep, its so hard to reverse.

[Mini Me]

Then what can the American people do to fight against the greedy politicians that want to take away our liberty? Form another political party?

Yes!

We need to open up the process to more INDEPENDENT parties, and do away with the electoral system and have real campaign finance reform to take big corporate PAC money out of the equation.nd roll back the diasaterous "Citizen's United" decision by the USSC!

I will go with Jessie ventura in 2016, a man who means what he says, and says what he means, and deeply cares about our nay\tion and its people, and is not owned by any special interest!

The two party FARCE must end! Thats how we take America back!

[Mini Me]

Sorry II believe there are military members of all beliefs. Not everyone in the military is a die hard conservative. The most liberal person I knew just enlisted. I was just blowing off steam.

There is hope for you!

At least you keep an open mind! Molon Labe!

[Peter1469]

Wow.... :shocked:

[Mini Me]

I agree. Too many regulations keep businesses from growing.

That's only a little bit true, like in the case of the EPA's over reach with enviro radicalism..

Its that the "smart money" here in the US is going overseas, where the returns are much greater! Its the damn GLOBALISM, and "race to the bottom" doing this.Multinational corps have no loyalty whatsoever to the US citizens, and the corporate stranglehold now is too strong to roll back, as politicians get huge bribes to do their bidding. They have betrayed the social compact with our own people, and are Traitors to the US, pure and simple!

Big corporations and Wall Street and the bankers rule us now!

[Mini Me]

Yeah, we've watched as more and more government taxation and regulation has killed more and more jobs and made it cheaper to "hire" machines rather than people. And your solution is to increase that incentive.

That same government, starting with Teddy's immigration "reform" and open borders by default policies has flooded the unskilled and semi-skilled labor markets driving down wages. And your solution is more of that.

You still don't get it, Blad. You never will.

Massive immigration has kept wages too low for too long, agreed! But that's the way the corporate pigs want it! And Dems want their votes. Ans so, NOTHING ever gets done on immigration!

But it all gets back to way too much corporate power usurping the power of the people via massive amounts of corp money flowing to conservative Koch Bros. selfish agendas!

Being anti-labor is deliterious to our nation, no matter how you slice it!
And sending industry and jobs overseas is too.
And allowing illegals and foreign workers in is also.

How can anyone be so blind as to not see this?

[Mini Me]

Like I said, you'll never get it. The government has piled one disincentive on top of another for hiring people. In addition to the ones I mentioned above, add free trade with sweat shop countries.

Your beloved leftist government has destroyed the middle class Blad. Be a man and take responsibility for what your ideas have done.

WRONG!

Its unbridled corporate power, and Globalist thinking that destroys America.

Obama talks liberal, but acts like Bush. He's another phony Bilderberger elite puppet, just like the Rethuglicans.

Once you connect all the dots, everything will become clear to you. It all falls into place when you understand what the New World Order is all about. You have been CONNED!

[Mini Me]

I am only against government sector unions. As far as the private sector goes, let the people decide. Unions could be great if they weren't organs of the DNC.

The unions are organs of the DNC BY DEFAULT!

Because Rethugs are so anti labor and pro corporate stooges.

The Dem party is the last refuge of the underdogs. Illusional as that is.

This is all a huge pretend game, you know!

[Mini Me]

The answer is really simple, because it ain't just YOUR America Anymore; so feel free to check-out at the front desk :thumbsup:

Its like the Hotel California:

You can check in, but never check out.

You stab it with your steely knives, but just cant kill the beast!

1969. We were on the road to freedom, but the rebellion was crushed by the Blue Meanies.

And here we are today, fighting for the same issues as back then. Corporate power vs. People Power.

[Mini Me]

OR? We could look at the fact that the equity in housing policies forced banks to loan money to people that could not afford to pay the loans back?

And the deregulations just provided a way for them to do this without going bankrupt.

Bye the Bye, those policies of having to loan money to people that can't pay it back are still in place today

BULLSHIT!

You know nothing of today's mortgage biz! I have been in the biz over 12 years!
Standards to day are very strict: 43% LTV(loan to value) maximum! Full employment needed, decent FICO, self employed need not apply.

Sub Prime loans died in 2007. Its all FULL DOC now!

[Peter1469]

BULLSHIT!

You know nothing of today's mortgage biz! I have been in the biz over 12 years!
Standards to day are very strict: 43% LTV(loan to value) maximum! Full employment needed, decent FICO, self employed need not apply.

Sub Prime loans died in 2007. Its all FULL DOC now!

Not around here....