The GOP 'No More National Parks' policy

[exotix]

Today

The Party of *Kill America* strikes again.


House To Vote On Controversial ‘No More National Parks’ Policy (http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2014/03/20/3416916/house-no-more-national-parks/)

http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2014/03/20/3416916/house-no-more-national-parks/


Responding to President Obama’s decision last week (http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2014/03/11/3390781/obama-new-california-national-monument/) to protect a stretch of California’s Coast near Point Arena as a new national monument, the House of Representatives is planning to vote next week (http://rules.house.gov/) to overturn a 108 year-old law that presidents of both parties have used to protect iconic American places, including the Grand Canyon, the Statue of Liberty, and Arches National Park.

The bill, H.R. 1459 (http://www.thomas.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c113:H.R.1459.IH:), aims to block presidents from using the Antiquities Act of 1906 to establish new national monuments by putting caps on how many times it can be used, requiring congressional review of proposed monuments, and forcing local communities to engage in an ironic exercise of reviewing the environmental impacts of protecting lands for future generations.

The bill’s sponsor, Rep. Rob Bishop (R-UT), criticized President Obama’s (http://robbishop.house.gov/news/documentsingle.aspx?DocumentID=372488) use of the Antiquities Act to expand the California Coastal Monument last week as an end-run around Congress.

“In other words, the House was punked by the President,” said Bishop.


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[Ravi]

Scratch a republican, find a turd.

[Ravi]

btw, Zion is awesome.

[Green Arrow]

I'm reading the actual bill, and I don't see where it says "no more national parks."

[exotix]

I'm reading the actual bill, and I don't see where it says "no more national parks."
Yes ?
What does the Bill say ?

[Green Arrow]

Yes ?
What does the Bill say ?

That it will subject the President to the National Environmental Policy Act of 1969. It prohibits:

(1) the President from making more than one such declaration in a state during any presidential four-year term of office without an express Act of Congress, or
(2) such a declaration from including private property without the informed written consent of the affected private property owner. Requires such a declaration:
(1) to be considered a major federal action under NEPA if it affects more than 5,000 acres;
(2) to be categorically excluded under NEPA and to expire three years after the date of the declaration (unless specifically designated as a monument by federal law) if it affects 5,000 acres or less; and
(3) to be followed by a feasibility study that includes an estimate of the costs associated with managing the monument in perpetuity, including any loss of federal and state revenue.

[exotix]

That it will subject the President to the National Environmental Policy Act of 1969. It prohibits:

(1) the President from making more than one such declaration in a state during any presidential four-year term of office without an express Act of Congress, or
(2) such a declaration from including private property without the informed written consent of the affected private property owner. Requires such a declaration:
(1) to be considered a major federal action under NEPA if it affects more than 5,000 acres;
(2) to be categorically excluded under NEPA and to expire three years after the date of the declaration (unless specifically designated as a monument by federal law) if it affects 5,000 acres or less; and
(3) to be followed by a feasibility study that includes an estimate of the costs associated with managing the monument in perpetuity, including any loss of federal and state revenue.
Well it's a good thing it's a waste of time ... as usual for the House GOP ... since it won't pass in the Senate and/or veto'd by Obama ...

But you do pay the House GOP to sport frivolous actions ... yes ?

[Mainecoons]

Scratch a republican, find a turd.

Scratch an idiot, get a post like this.

[Green Arrow]

Well it's a good thing it's a waste of time ... as usual for the House GOP ... since it won't pass in the Senate and/or veto'd by Obama ...

But you do pay the House GOP to sport frivolous actions ... yes ?

How is it frivolous? It's not a bad proposal.

[exotix]

How is it frivolous? It's not a bad proposal.
Explain please.

[hanger4]

Explain please.Why don't you explain this lie ?? ''The GOP 'No More National Parks' policy''.

[Green Arrow]

Explain please.

It creates a layer of oversight and holds the President to the law. It also helps to push the President back within constitutional bounds by making him go through Congress.

[exotix]

It creates a layer of oversight and holds the President to the law. It also helps to push the President back within constitutional bounds by making him go through Congress.
In other words, to keep King Dictator Obama from using a 108 year-old law that presidents of both parties have used to protect iconic American places, including the Grand Canyon, the Statue of Liberty, and Arches National Park.

That's important. Got it.

[Green Arrow]

In other words, to keep King Dictator Obama from using a 108 year-old law that presidents of both parties have used to protect iconic American places, including the Grand Canyon, the Statue of Liberty, and Arches National Park.

That's important. Got it.

No, that's not it. President Obama is not kept from using the law, new restrictions are just placed on it. He can still unilaterally declare one site per state per term, and all he has to do to get more places on the list is go to Congress. Congress never turns this kind of shit down.

[exotix]

No, that's not it. President Obama is not kept from using the law, new restrictions are just placed on it. He can still unilaterally declare one site per state per term, and all he has to do to get more places on the list is go to Congress. Congress never turns this kind of shit down.
I guess that was teh point when this guy showed up to blame a Park Ranger for his govt. shutdown ... LOL

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[Green Arrow]

I guess that was teh point when this guy showed up to blame a Park Ranger for his govt. shutdown ... LOL

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For future reference, are you capable of having an intelligent, adult discussion?

[hanger4]

For future reference, are you capable of having an intelligent, adult discussion?Do you really have to ask ?? :)

[exotix]

For future reference, are you capable of having an intelligent, adult discussion?
Sure I am ... say for instance this OP is *target-rich* with inforamtion we haven't even discussed yet ... say for instance the Bills' sponsor (R-UT) Bob Bishop who's in hysterics and on the verge of a nervous breakdown ... LOL.



“The President’s use of the Antiquities Act to expand the Coastal California National Monument is disappointing to say the least.

It is also purely political and undermines sincere efforts to reach consensus on questions of conservation.

The House passed legislation to incorporate these public lands into the national monument with bipartisan support- both at the committee level and on the House floor.

The fact that this bill hasn’t yet been considered in the Senate is not an oversight, it was intentional.

The legislation was held up in the Senate so the President could usurp the congressional process. .... in other words, the House was punked by the President.

There is no immediate urgency to make this a national monument.

Had the Senate done its job, the bill would have been considered and passed under regular order ... there was broad support for the measure.

The President seems to view the legislative process as relevant only when it is politically convenient.

Unfortunately, that is not how our founding fathers intended for the federal government to operate.

I am troubled by the way President Obama and Harry Reid misuse the powers entrusted to them by the American people.

This only hurts our country as we move forward tackling some of the biggest issues facing the American people.”

[Green Arrow]

Well, he's right. How is he wrong, exotix?

[exotix]

Well, he's right. How is he wrong, exotix?
Well, the next thing you know Obama will confiscate land to build parks and monuments commemorating women, gays, minorities and any other group that *reflects diversity* ... this seems to be the underlying sentiment of the House GOP ... because the founding fathers no doubt would be horrified ... LOL


From the OP ...

The vote — set to coincide with the one year anniversary (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CCgQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.whitehouse.gov%2Fthe-press-office%2F2013%2F03%2F25%2Fpresident-obama-designates-five-new-national-monuments&ei=3g0qU4mxJObr0gGr1IHYAg&usg=AFQjCNGTsz121SARBB7xZ4cUeedW3k19tA&sig2=AWvKK82SxhAo0eKnxXJGXQ&bvm=bv.62922401,d.dmQ) of President Obama’s establishment of monuments honoring Harriet Tubman (http://harris.house.gov/press-release/congressman-harris-applauds-president-obama’s-designation-harriet-tubman-monument) and Colonel Charles P. Young (http://www.portman.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/press-releases?ID=8c1b55f9-00cb-4f82-808a-ca316e22aec4) (with the support of Republicans and Democrats in Congress) — would also stymie a growing effort (http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/green/report/2014/02/19/84191/better-reflecting-our-countrys-growing-diversity/) to protect sites that honor women, the LBGT community, Latinos, African Americans, Native Americans, Asian Americans, and other communities that are currently under-represented among national parks and monuments.

Better Reflecting Our Country’s Growing Diversity

http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/green/report/2014/02/19/84191/better-reflecting-our-countrys-growing-diversity/

President Obama used his authority under the 1906 Antiquities Act to establish the César E. Chávez National Monument to commemorate the important Latino leader, the United Farm Workers, and the civil rights movement.

http://www.americanprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/12097280505_74ca7fcfc6_z-62011.jpg

[Green Arrow]

Well, the next thing you know Obama will confiscate land to build parks and monuments commemorating women, gays, minorities and any other group that *reflects diversity* ... this seems to be the underlying sentiment of the House GOP ... because the founding fathers no doubt would be horrified ... LOL


From the OP ...

The vote — set to coincide with the one year anniversary (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CCgQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.whitehouse.gov%2Fthe-press-office%2F2013%2F03%2F25%2Fpresident-obama-designates-five-new-national-monuments&ei=3g0qU4mxJObr0gGr1IHYAg&usg=AFQjCNGTsz121SARBB7xZ4cUeedW3k19tA&sig2=AWvKK82SxhAo0eKnxXJGXQ&bvm=bv.62922401,d.dmQ) of President Obama’s establishment of monuments honoring Harriet Tubman (http://harris.house.gov/press-release/congressman-harris-applauds-president-obama’s-designation-harriet-tubman-monument) and Colonel Charles P. Young (http://www.portman.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/press-releases?ID=8c1b55f9-00cb-4f82-808a-ca316e22aec4) (with the support of Republicans and Democrats in Congress) — would also stymie a growing effort (http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/green/report/2014/02/19/84191/better-reflecting-our-countrys-growing-diversity/) to protect sites that honor women, the LBGT community, Latinos, African Americans, Native Americans, Asian Americans, and other communities that are currently under-represented among national parks and monuments.

Better Reflecting Our Country’s Growing Diversity

http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/green/report/2014/02/19/84191/better-reflecting-our-countrys-growing-diversity/

President Obama used his authority under the 1906 Antiquities Act to establish the César E. Chávez National Monument to commemorate the important Latino leader, the United Farm Workers, and the civil rights movement.

http://www.americanprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/12097280505_74ca7fcfc6_z-62011.jpg




Where is all of that in Mr. Bishop's remarks?

[exotix]

Where is all of that in Mr. Bishop's remarks?
It's called *Sense of GOP Congress* ... this simply began when (R-KY) McConnell simply touted upon Obamas' inauguration that *Our number one priority is to make sure Obama is a one-term President* ...

And you ask ?

Well, the bolded simply says that Obama has no mandate ... only (R) Bishop and House GOP paranoid conspiracies do .. LOL.



'The House passed legislation to incorporate these public lands into the national monument with bipartisan support- both at the committee level and on the House floor.

The fact that this bill hasn’t yet been considered in the Senate is not an oversight, it was intentional.

The legislation was held up in the Senate so the President could usurp the congressional process. '

[Green Arrow]

It's called *Sense of GOP Congress* ... this simply began when (R-KY) McConnell simply touted upon Obamas' inauguration that *Our number one priority is to make sure Obama is a one-term President* ...

Well, they failed, he got a second term, so methinks they've changed course.


And you ask ?

Well, the bolded simply says that Obama has no mandate ... only (R) Bishop and House GOP paranoid conspiracies do .. LOL.



'The House passed legislation to incorporate these public lands into the national monument with bipartisan support- both at the committee level and on the House floor.

The fact that this bill hasn’t yet been considered in the Senate is not an oversight, it was intentional.

The legislation was held up in the Senate so the President could usurp the congressional process. '

What is wrong with their bill? It would have done exactly what President Obama did and had bipartisan support, but died in Senate committees. If anyone should be called out and ridiculed, it's the Senate committees.

[countryboy]

It creates a layer of oversight and holds the President to the law. It also helps to push the President back within constitutional bounds by making him go through Congress.
Gasp! Oh the humanity.

[The Sage of Main Street]

Protecting useless vegetation and vermin costs us cheap products from the hoarded abundant resources. To those who care more about men than beasts, the Trustfundie Treehuggers also cost us high-paying jobs to extract what is really valuable to anyone who hasn't had his mind warped by Bambi cartoons.

[Paperback Writer]

Our liberals in the UK are not stupid nor insipid (aside from Blair). I just wanted to point that out. They actually read articles before responding and would be honest enough to tell the OP that her thread title was wrong and does not match the proposal.

[Green Arrow]

Our liberals in the UK are not stupid nor insipid (aside from Blair). I just wanted to point that out. They actually read articles before responding and would be honest enough to tell the OP that her thread title was wrong and does not match the proposal.

Our liberals (and our conservatives...really, just Americans in general) are unfortunately not.

[exotix]

Our liberals in the UK are not stupid nor insipid (aside from Blair). I just wanted to point that out. They actually read articles before responding and would be honest enough to tell the OP that her thread title was wrong and does not match the proposal.
Depends on how you look at it ... how many *nutters* in the U.K. would actually propose shutting-down the London Bridge ... call it ' Brit Bridgegate' with a page 3 girl ... LOL.

[Peter1469]

Well it's a good thing it's a waste of time ... as usual for the House GOP ... since it won't pass in the Senate and/or veto'd by Obama ...

But you do pay the House GOP to sport frivolous actions ... yes ?I have been saying the GOP should STFU until after November.... :smiley:

[Peter1469]

Depends on how you look at it ... how many *nutters* in the U.K. would actually propose shutting-down the London Bridge ... call it ' Brit Bridgegate' with a page 3 girl ... LOL.

London Bridge is nothing to look at....

[exotix]

I have been saying the GOP should STFU until after November.... :smiley:
The congressional GOP is only interested in staying elected ... by appeasing only those constituents in gerryrmandered districts ... nothing else ... except Koch money.

[Green Arrow]

The congressional GOP is only interested in staying elected ... by appeasing only those constituents in gerryrmandered districts ... nothing else ... except Koch money.

And Democrats aren't?

[Paperback Writer]

Depends on how you look at it ... how many *nutters* in the U.K. would actually propose shutting-down the London Bridge ... call it ' Brit Bridgegate' with a page 3 girl ... LOL.

Our nutters are relegated to setting their watches by Kate sightings.

[The Sage of Main Street]

London Bridge is nothing to look at....

I see London
I see France
I see Exotix's
Underpants.

[Adelaide]

I think national parks and protecting certain areas is a very good thing, but I also realise that it costs a lot of money for the government. Parks Canada's budget is around $500 million but I'm sure it costs more than that. If a US president is adding too many national parks and landmarks, it makes sense to give more power to congress to control how many or the cost of any additions a president wants to make.