Obamacare Shock: Get Ready for Your Premiums to Double or Even Triple

[Chris]

Some justify success as what the law is. But how do you justify a law based on lies?

Obamacare Shock: Get Ready for Your Premiums to Double or Even Triple (http://www.humanevents.com/2014/03/19/obamacare-sticker-shock-get-ready-for-your-jacked-up-premiums-to-double-or-even-triple/)


The third of Barack Obama’s Big Lies, after “you can keep your plan” and “you can keep your doctor,” was his promise that Americans would save quite a bit of money on insurance under ObamaCare. In fact, he spoke of families saving a cool $2500 a year. As with all socialist redistribution schemes, there are some people doing better under the Affordable Care Act… but most of us are not, and quite a few Americans are reeling from incredible premium hikes, followed up by enormous deductibles and other out-of-pocket costs if they actually try to use their benefits.

And it’s going to get worse. A lot worse. You have scarcely begun to pay for Obama’s folly, America.

<snip personal cases>

The worst is yet to come, as The Hill reported on Wednesday morning:



Health industry officials say ObamaCare-related premiums will double in some parts of the country, countering claims recently made by the administration.

The expected rate hikes will be announced in the coming months amid an intense election year, when control of the Senate is up for grabs. The sticker shock would likely bolster the GOP’s prospects in November and hamper ObamaCare insurance enrollment efforts in 2015.


Insurance officials who listened to Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius chirp about premium increases slowing in the coming year are scratching their heads in confusion:



“The increases are far less significant than what they were prior to the Affordable Care Act,” the secretary said in testimony before the House Ways and Means Committee.

Her comment baffled insurance officials, who said it runs counter to the industry’s consensus about next year.

“It’s pretty shortsighted because I think everybody knows that the way the exchange has rolled out … is going to lead to higher costs,” said one senior insurance executive who requested anonymity.

The insurance official, who hails from a populous swing state, said his company expects to triple its rates next year on the ObamaCare exchange.


Among the factors for these 2015 premium hikes are the nasty “risk pool” equations stemming from the reluctance of young and healthy people to buy ObamaCare policies, uncertainty created by President Obama’s incessant tinkering with the law, new fees and regulatory costs… and the fact that “some insurers initially underpriced their policies to begin with, expecting to raise rates in the second year.”

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[Peter1469]

They aren't going to meet their goals this year, not in number or in ratio of young healthy to old sick people. Next years premiums are going to skyrocket. Either the government will bail the insurers out with tax dollars or the death spiral will start. Less people will sign up and more will drop the expensive plans.

Then the government will provide an answer: single payer.

[hanger4]

They aren't going to meet their goals this year, not in number or in ratio of young healthy to old sick people. Next years premiums are going to skyrocket. Either the government will bail the insurers out with tax dollars or the death spiral will start. Less people will sign up and more will drop the expensive plans.Then the government will provide an answer: single payer.Isn't single payer what was wanted all along ??

[Peter1469]

Isn't single payer what was wanted all along ??

The progressives did.

[Ivan88]

Give every head of household $1,000 per month and let folks find their own health care deals.

[Peter1469]

Give every head of household $1,000 per month and let folks find their own health care deals.

Why not $10,000 per month?

[Cigar]

Give every head of household $1,000 per month and let folks find their own health care deals.

Then ask them to Die for their Country for a Stupid War :rollseyes:

Great way to treat Veterans :huh:

[Cigar]

Some justify success as what the law is. But how do you justify a law based on lies?

Obamacare Shock: Get Ready for Your Premiums to Double or Even Triple (http://www.humanevents.com/2014/03/19/obamacare-sticker-shock-get-ready-for-your-jacked-up-premiums-to-double-or-even-triple/)

But 1st ... let there be $6.00 per/gallon Gas, then Obama is coming to get your Guns ... Run Run Run for your lives ... The Socialist Muslim anti-American half Black Hitler is going to End The World


http://upload.democraticunderground.com/imgs/2014/140321-obamacare-demagoguery-fail.jpg

[Peter1469]

But 1st ... let there be $6.00 per/gallon Gas, then Obama is coming to get your Guns ... Run Run Run for your lives ... The Socialist Muslim anti-American half Black Hitler is going to End The World

Lots of straw men. But, that is what you get paid to do....

[Chris]

Then ask them to Die for their Country for a Stupid War :rollseyes:

Great way to treat Veterans :huh:


What on earth has this to do with the topic. This is the kind of crap members should be able to rid their threads of.

[Chris]

But 1st ... let there be $6.00 per/gallon Gas, then Obama is coming to get your Guns ... Run Run Run for your lives ... The Socialist Muslim anti-American half Black Hitler is going to End The World


http://upload.democraticunderground.com/imgs/2014/140321-obamacare-demagoguery-fail.jpg


Again, absolutely nothing but a distraction from discussion of the topic.

[Peter1469]

You can ignore it. Maybe even laugh at it.

[Chris]

You can ignore it. Maybe even laugh at it.

You didn't follow your advice but I should?

[Chris]

Back on topic..., the act, measured successful by some because it is law.


A Costly Failed Experiment (http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702303802104579451162959061196?mod=WS J_Opinion_LEADSecond&mg=reno64-wsj&url=http%3A%2F%2Fonline.wsj.com%2Farticle%2FSB1000 1424052702303802104579451162959061196.html%3Fmod%3 DWSJ_Opinion_LEADSecond)


With Sunday marking the fourth anniversary of the Affordable Care Act being signed into law, it's worth revisiting the initial purpose of the president's signature legislation: Universal coverage was the main goal. Four years later, not even the White House pretends that this goal will be realized. Most of those who were uninsured before the law was passed will remain uninsured, according to the Congressional Budget Office.

Democrats also fixated on another goal: protection for people with pre-existing conditions. One of the first things the new law did was create federal risk pools so that people who had been denied coverage for health reasons could purchase insurance for the same premium a healthy person would pay. Over the next three years, about 107,000 people took advantage of that opportunity.

Think about that. One of the main reasons given for interfering with the health care of 300 million people was to solve a problem that affected a tiny sliver of the population.

More recently, the president has had to explain why between four million and seven million people are losing their health insurance despite his promise that they would not....

While the president and his party struggle to find more convincing reasons why we need ObamaCare, three huge problems won't go away.

• An impossible mandate....
• Unworkable subsidies....
• Perverse incentives in the exchanges....

So four years into this failed experiment, what are the alternatives? Getting rid of the mandates, letting people choose their own insurance benefits, and giving everyone the same universal tax credit for health insurance would be a good start. More easily accessible health savings accounts for people in high-deductible plans is another good idea.

Every provision in ObamaCare that encourages employers either not to hire people or to reduce their hours should go. Everything in the law that prevents employers from providing individually owned health insurance that travels from job to job should go. And everything that makes HealthCare.gov more complicated than eHealth (a 10-year-old private online exchange) should go.

[texan]

When did the dem's start caring about veterans? I missed that somewhere along the way.

Obama has done such a great job over 5 Years plus. I mean look around you.............Your cost of living is up about 25%, Your HC costs are up, your doctors are gone and policies are gone, your taxes are up, your gas is double, the world is not in great turmoil. Many jobs available because he really focused on that instead of HC.

Oh yes great job. Message to "the ones we have been waiting for;" you haven't done a very good job. I grade it at best as a C- and I am trying to be nice. Had they did actual real life interviews for the job prior to an election Barack Obama would have not made the first cut. But hey is really cool.

http://o.onionstatic.com/images/25/25609/16x9/380.jpg?6593

[nic34]

So how are we "four years into this failed experiment"? I thought enrollment started just last October?

Someone making things up?

[Chris]

So how are we "four years into this failed experiment"? I thought enrollment started just last October?

Someone making things up?



Try actually reading something, nic, post #14, opening line of the citation states very clearly: "With Sunday marking the fourth anniversary of the Affordable Care Act being signed into law...."

Get it?

[nic34]

Isn't single payer what was wanted all along ??


You're right! Give that man a prize!

So where were you? Supporting the status quo all along?

[nic34]

Try actually reading something, nic, post #14, opening line of the citation states very clearly: "With Sunday marking the fourth anniversary of the Affordable Care Act being signed into law...."

Get it?

So how has anything "failed" when the complete system hasn't even been in place for 6 months"?

Don't act ignorant. Nothing is ever in place the minute it is "signed into law".

[Peter1469]

So how has anything "failed" when the complete system hasn't even been in place for 6 months"?

Don't act ignorant. Nothing is ever in place the minute it is "signed into law".

The numbers relied upon by the insurance companies to set premiums were 7M signed up (and who actually pay) with 35% of those young and healthy.

If you don't get that (they aren't), then premiums will skyrocket next year. Then less people will sign up and others will have to drop their plans. That is called the death spiral.

[Chris]

So how has anything "failed" when the complete system hasn't even been in place for 6 months"?

Don't act ignorant. Nothing is ever in place the minute it is "signed into law".


And still is not in place and never will be. I think you're starting to get the point of the OP and the follow up article. The effect of the failure will be a rise in premiums. Thus "The third of Barack Obama’s Big Lies."

And stop with the pathetic ad homs, nic. I thought you were above that, VIP and all.

[nic34]

Some justify success as what the law is. But how do you justify a law based on lies?

Obamacare Shock: Get Ready for Your Premiums to Double or Even Triple (http://www.humanevents.com/2014/03/19/obamacare-sticker-shock-get-ready-for-your-jacked-up-premiums-to-double-or-even-triple/)

...and I thought you were above posting heresay and gossip...you aren't entitled to your own facts...and "Insurance experts quoted by The Hill" don't cut it. chris.

Right-Wing Media Feed False Panic Over Obamacare Premiums

In The New Republic, Jonathan Cohn pointed out that, "the real news here is more complicated and ambiguous." Because the health care market is not monolithic, premiums may rise for some people and fall for others, but the ACA includes provisions intended to alleviate both high premiums and market instability.

http://mediamatters.org/blog/2014/03/20/right-wing-media-feed-false-panic-over-obamacar/198549

The ACA isn't the cure, but at least better than the non-system there already wasn't.

[texan]

They are going even higher than they have already? Mine is up $600 a year. Many families I know have gone up $6000 a year. Of course then there is "numerous" people that Cigar knows that are paying less. LOL.

[Captain Obvious]

...and I thought you were above posting heresay and gossip...you aren't entitled to your own facts...and "Insurance experts quoted by The Hill" don't cut it. chris.

Right-Wing Media Feed False Panic Over Obamacare Premiums

In The New Republic, Jonathan Cohn pointed out that, "the real news here is more complicated and ambiguous." Because the health care market is not monolithic, premiums may rise for some people and fall for others, but the ACA includes provisions intended to alleviate both high premiums and market instability.

http://mediamatters.org/blog/2014/03/20/right-wing-media-feed-false-panic-over-obamacar/198549

The ACA isn't the cure, but at least better than the non-system there already wasn't.

A blog from a left-wing hack source.

... sure

The ACA didn't really change anything other than preexisting conditions and a couple other things like that but it did shift a lot of power and information into the Fed's hands over the matter.

Gave unions and Congress exemptions... I guess the plan was too good for them.

Some things are supposed to kick in down the road, but who knows with this fly-by-night carnival act.

[Chris]

...and I thought you were above posting heresay and gossip...you aren't entitled to your own facts...and "Insurance experts quoted by The Hill" don't cut it. chris.

Right-Wing Media Feed False Panic Over Obamacare Premiums

In The New Republic, Jonathan Cohn pointed out that, "the real news here is more complicated and ambiguous." Because the health care market is not monolithic, premiums may rise for some people and fall for others, but the ACA includes provisions intended to alleviate both high premiums and market instability.

http://mediamatters.org/blog/2014/03/20/right-wing-media-feed-false-panic-over-obamacar/198549

The ACA isn't the cure, but at least better than the non-system there already wasn't.



Your entire defense of the ACA seems to be to attack messengers you disagree with, nic, but can't seem to muster that disagreement. Pathetic.

And you're counter-source only plays up the uncertainty involved reported by the article you decry and despite Obama's three lies of certainty.



The ACA isn't the cure, but at least better than the non-system there already wasn't.

No, it's a curse.

[nic34]

You don't even recognize your own bias.

Just point it out for others, that's your job.

[Chris]

You don't even recognize your own bias.

Just point it out for others, that's your job.



And once again mere ad hom replaces cogent, rational discussion. Pathetic how you try to shift the blame, nic. Bias, which we all have, and ad hom, which only some employ, are two different things.

Did Obama not promise with certainty three things with regard to the ACA, and have not all three met with failure?

[texan]

Dear Chris,
Contrary to the facts, tell me why its better than the previous system that didn't exist?
Texan

[nic34]

Dear Chris,
Contrary to the facts, tell me why its better than the previous system that didn't exist?
Texan

The non-system before:

From 2000-2007, the number of uninsured in America grew by 7 million

In the mid-2000s, tens of millions of people were uninsured or underinsured. Cathy Schoen, senior vice president of The Commonwealth Fund, said in 2009 congressional testimony (http://www.commonwealthfund.org/Publications/Testimonies/2009/Feb/Testimony-Insurance-Design-Matters-Underinsured-Trends-Health-and-Financial-Risks.aspx), “From 2000 to 2007, a time of relatively low unemployment, the number uninsured increased by 7 million.” She also noted:

From 2003 to 2007, the number of adults who were insured all year but were underinsured increased by 60 percent. Based on those who incur high out-of-pocket costs relative to their income not counting premiums despite having coverage all year, an estimated 25 million adults under age 65 were underinsured in 2007.

http://www.commonwealthfund.org/Publications/Testimonies/2009/Feb/Testimony-Insurance-Design-Matters-Underinsured-Trends-Health-and-Financial-Risks.aspx (http://www.commonwealthfund.org/Publications/Testimonies/2009/Feb/Testimony-Insurance-Design-Matters-Underinsured-Trends-Health-and-Financial-Risks.aspx)

[Chris]

Dear Chris,
Contrary to the facts, tell me why its better than the previous system that didn't exist?
Texan

The previous system didn't raise our premiums and let us keep our plans and doctors. Not saying those things didn't happen, but they weren't system driven. And not saying there isn't a better way, but centrally planned and controlled healthcare, er, insurance is not one.

[Chris]

The non-system before:

From 2000-2007, the number of uninsured in America grew by 7 million

In the mid-2000s, tens of millions of people were uninsured or underinsured. Cathy Schoen, senior vice president of The Commonwealth Fund, said in 2009 congressional testimony (http://www.commonwealthfund.org/Publications/Testimonies/2009/Feb/Testimony-Insurance-Design-Matters-Underinsured-Trends-Health-and-Financial-Risks.aspx), “From 2000 to 2007, a time of relatively low unemployment, the number uninsured increased by 7 million.” She also noted:

From 2003 to 2007, the number of adults who were insured all year but were underinsured increased by 60 percent. Based on those who incur high out-of-pocket costs relative to their income not counting premiums despite having coverage all year, an estimated 25 million adults under age 65 were underinsured in 2007.

http://www.commonwealthfund.org/Publications/Testimonies/2009/Feb/Testimony-Insurance-Design-Matters-Underinsured-Trends-Health-and-Financial-Risks.aspx (http://www.commonwealthfund.org/Publications/Testimonies/2009/Feb/Testimony-Insurance-Design-Matters-Underinsured-Trends-Health-and-Financial-Risks.aspx)


And yet everyone, regardless they had insurance, received healthcare. That was the law.

[nic34]

^^wrong^^

Try getting healthcare for your pancreatic cancer in an ER.....

[Paperback Writer]

I think insurance should only be for catastrophic. Why shouldn't someone pay for a typical office visit? It should be provided for everyone so that no one with a life-threatening disease or illness goes without. That's the humane thing. But go ahead, purchase more bombs with the dollars. I'm sure there are still some children in the middle east playing outside today you can eradicate.

[Chris]

^^wrong^^

Try getting healthcare for your pancreatic cancer in an ER.....



Try now.

You're confusing insurance with healthcare. The latter makes for great emotional appeal but the former means little in a system with lousy but expensive healthcare, it only makes it worse and more expensive. Such is socialized healthcare.

[Chris]

I think insurance should only be for catastrophic. Why shouldn't someone pay for a typical office visit? It should be provided for everyone so that no one with a life-threatening disease or illness goes without. That's the humane thing. But go ahead, purchase more bombs with the dollars. I'm sure there are still some children in the middle east playing outside today you can eradicate.


It should at least only be for unpredicated health issues, not for mere maintenance of health and prevention of issues.

[nic34]

^^address problems after they arise^^

Perfect conservative mindset.... pay more later...

[Chris]

^^address problems after they arise^^

Perfect conservative mindset.... pay more later...


Do you have some new definition for insurance, nic? That is what we're discussing.

[Peter1469]

^^address problems after they arise^^

Perfect conservative mindset.... pay more later...

How so? It sounds like pay as you go unless you have an unexpected health care cost.

[Paperback Writer]

^^address problems after they arise^^

Perfect conservative mindset.... pay more later...

We found that we get better health not from the doctor's but from diet. Americans actually spend more $$ on healthcare than we do in the UK, but we spend it more wisely.

You'd do better to bring down costs of good food or expand food stamps to more people and then eliminate all public health outside of chronic, terminal, or catastrophic.

[Chris]

Diet and exercise.

[Ethereal]

You're right! Give that man a prize!

So where were you? Supporting the status quo all along?

Are you under the impression that more government intervention in the healthcare system is going against the status quo?

[Paperback Writer]

I obviously do not have a say in your system, but you are an enormously large nation with plentiful open spaces and yet extremely high food prices. You would be in much better health and not need to pump so much money in your health care system if inflation wasn't so artificially high, if regulations supported small to mid-sized farms (they grow healthier foods), and you went to a 35 hour work week that allowed for more free time and less stress.

[Chris]

I obviously do not have a say in your system, but you are an enormously large nation with plentiful open spaces and yet extremely high food prices. You would be in much better health and not need to pump so much money in your health care system if inflation wasn't so artificially high, if regulations supported small to mid-sized farms (they grow healthier foods), and you went to a 35 hour work week that allowed for more free time and less stress.

Regretfully our government supports the opposite and progressives support that government. Something even simple as better diet and more exercise that anyone can do is overlooked, even criticized.

[Ethereal]

I obviously do not have a say in your system, but you are an enormously large nation with plentiful open spaces and yet extremely high food prices. You would be in much better health and not need to pump so much money in your health care system if inflation wasn't so artificially high, if regulations supported small to mid-sized farms (they grow healthier foods), and you went to a 35 hour work week that allowed for more free time and less stress.

That's why we need land, monetary, tax, and regulatory reform, so more people will be at liberty to farm and otherwise develop what nature has provided. Only then will people be free from the debt slavery that the international banking cartel has foisted upon them.

[Paperback Writer]

Regretfully our government supports the opposite and progressives support that government. Something even simple as better diet and more exercise that anyone can do is overlooked, even criticized.

Americans are obsessed with a 40 hour (honestly 50 hour) work week that destroys the immune system. Top that with bad diet and you're all a major health crisis waiting to happen.

There is no excuse for high food prices in the US. If Democrats want to help the poor, they ought to first do something about the FDA and Department of Agriculture. Your regulations strangle small to mid-sized farms whilst rewarding large agribusiness whose products mostly come overseas.

[Chris]

Americans are obsessed with a 40 hour (honestly 50 hour) work week that destroys the immune system. Top that with bad diet and you're all a major health crisis waiting to happen.

There is no excuse for high food prices in the US. If Democrats want to help the poor, they ought to first do something about the FDA and Department of Agriculture. Your regulations strangle small to mid-sized farms whilst rewarding large agribusiness whose products mostly come overseas.


That's just it, they do plenty to see the major agribusinesses make out like bandits and squeeze the mid- to small-size farmers out. And that's all covered up by a red-herring over food stamps.

[nic34]

I obviously do not have a say in your system, but you are an enormously large nation with plentiful open spaces and yet extremely high food prices. You would be in much better health and not need to pump so much money in your health care system if inflation wasn't so artificially high, if regulations supported small to mid-sized farms (they grow healthier foods), and you went to a 35 hour work week that allowed for more free time and less stress.

That's great and all, but the way the system the regressives have us on now, the taxes on corporations somehow don't make it to the treasury, thanks to tax cuts and loopholes.... so you know, there wouldn't be enough $$$ coming from the middle and lower classes to cover all the subsidies given out to the most profitable companies in history..... see the dilema?

[Peter1469]

That's great and all, but the way the system the regressives have us on now, the taxes on corporations somehow don't make it to the treasury, thanks to tax cuts and loopholes.... so you know, there wouldn't be enough $$$ coming from the middle and lower classes to cover all the subsidies given out to the most profitable companies in history..... see the dilema?

Those farm bills that are being pushed for the benefit of Big Agriculture are supported by the establishment of both parties....

[Paperback Writer]

That's great and all, but the way the system the regressives have us on now, the taxes on corporations somehow don't make it to the treasury, thanks to tax cuts and loopholes.... so you know, there wouldn't be enough $$$ coming from the middle and lower classes to cover all the subsidies given out to the most profitable companies in history..... see the dilema?


Yes, your government is a puppet covering the hand of globalists. What shall you do about it? Put another puppet on the hand?

[Chris]

That's great and all, but the way the system the regressives have us on now, the taxes on corporations somehow don't make it to the treasury, thanks to tax cuts and loopholes.... so you know, there wouldn't be enough $$$ coming from the middle and lower classes to cover all the subsidies given out to the most profitable companies in history..... see the dilema?



Regressives, what regressives? Nic, your progressives are in charge, and failing, and all you can think of is more taxes to spend more.

[Chris]

It gets better, funnier...

Obamacare turns four, but still wetting the bed (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/mar/23/curl-obamacare-turns-four-but-still-wetting-the-be/)


Obamacare turned four years old Sunday. But unlike a human offspring, which would developing by leaps and bounds, the poor little government program is still peeing the bed.

When historians recount the life of Obamacare (likely to be cut not-so-tragically short fairly soon), they might just start with how America’s comedians, all mostly liberal and easy on the president for five full years, took aim at him shortly after the invasive health care overhaul debuted.

Like the seven-minute interview with comedian Zach Galifianakis on his hit Internet webcast “Between Two Ferns,” in which President Obama asks his bearded interviewer, “Have you heard of healthcare.gov?”

“Uhhhhhh, here we go. Let’s get this out of the way. What did you come here to plug?”

“Have you heard of the Affordable Care Act?” says the president.

“Oh yeah, I heard about that. That’s the thing that doesn’t work. Why did you get the guy who created the Zune to make your website?”

Zing. And this one, from Thursday night’s “Tonight Show” with Jimmy Fallon, featuring the host made up as Vladimir Putin and an Obama look-alike chatting on the phone about Russia’s annexation of the Crimea region of Ukraine.

“Look, don’t you see what you’re doing though?” Barack says to Vlad. “You’re forcing people to accept something that the majority of them don’t even want.”

“Yes,” says Putin, “In Russia, we have word for this: Obamacare.” Burn.

The skit brought uproarious laughter from the New York City studio audience, no doubt packed with young hipsters who voted for America’s first black president. But these days, Obamacare — a pledge to provide government-subsidized health coverage for what Mr. Obama says are 46 million uninsured Americans — is a laughing matter for everyone, even his most sycophantic supporters....

Guess those supporters on this forum didn't get the message.

[nic34]

Gee, a Washtimes hack piece.... it IS getting funnier.

You know what they say about those that live in glass houses.....

[nic34]

Regressives, what regressives? Nic, your progressives are in charge, and failing, and all you can think of is more taxes to spend more.


... and then proclaims Obama a "progressive" ....... with a deadlock senate with some progressives in it, and a regressive house as IN CHARGE!

That's even funnier....

[zelmo1234]

So how has anything "failed" when the complete system hasn't even been in place for 6 months"?

Don't act ignorant. Nothing is ever in place the minute it is "signed into law".

4 years is a minute? Really?

[zelmo1234]

...and I thought you were above posting heresay and gossip...you aren't entitled to your own facts...and "Insurance experts quoted by The Hill" don't cut it. chris.

Right-Wing Media Feed False Panic Over Obamacare Premiums

In The New Republic, Jonathan Cohn pointed out that, "the real news here is more complicated and ambiguous." Because the health care market is not monolithic, premiums may rise for some people and fall for others, but the ACA includes provisions intended to alleviate both high premiums and market instability.

http://mediamatters.org/blog/2014/03/20/right-wing-media-feed-false-panic-over-obamacar/198549

The ACA isn't the cure, but at least better than the non-system there already wasn't.

Hey! Media Matters is not going to cut it either! They are nothing but the mouthpiece of the DNC

The law is terrible, Single payer is not the answer either, personal responsibility is always the answer, always has been!

[zelmo1234]

The non-system before:

From 2000-2007, the number of uninsured in America grew by 7 million

In the mid-2000s, tens of millions of people were uninsured or underinsured. Cathy Schoen, senior vice president of The Commonwealth Fund, said in 2009 congressional testimony (http://www.commonwealthfund.org/Publications/Testimonies/2009/Feb/Testimony-Insurance-Design-Matters-Underinsured-Trends-Health-and-Financial-Risks.aspx), “From 2000 to 2007, a time of relatively low unemployment, the number uninsured increased by 7 million.” She also noted:

From 2003 to 2007, the number of adults who were insured all year but were underinsured increased by 60 percent. Based on those who incur high out-of-pocket costs relative to their income not counting premiums despite having coverage all year, an estimated 25 million adults under age 65 were underinsured in 2007.

http://www.commonwealthfund.org/Publications/Testimonies/2009/Feb/Testimony-Insurance-Design-Matters-Underinsured-Trends-Health-and-Financial-Risks.aspx (http://www.commonwealthfund.org/Publications/Testimonies/2009/Feb/Testimony-Insurance-Design-Matters-Underinsured-Trends-Health-and-Financial-Risks.aspx)

Great, but more people have lost insurance under the ACA than have signed up? Are you saying that making things worse is actually better?

[zelmo1234]

^^wrong^^

Try getting healthcare for your pancreatic cancer in an ER.....

If you know anyone that was denied treatment based on there ability to pay for that treatment, You can shut them down.

Now they may not have had access to the latest and greatest, but they will not have that under the ACA either! It will deny more care than any other insurance plan!

[zelmo1234]

^^address problems after they arise^^

Perfect conservative mindset.... pay more later...

If this is true????? Why is it more expensive under the ACA! Should not the cost be going down?

[zelmo1234]

I obviously do not have a say in your system, but you are an enormously large nation with plentiful open spaces and yet extremely high food prices. You would be in much better health and not need to pump so much money in your health care system if inflation wasn't so artificially high, if regulations supported small to mid-sized farms (they grow healthier foods), and you went to a 35 hour work week that allowed for more free time and less stress.

I like the first part about the small farms, but the 35 hour week why should we limit earning potential of people?

[zelmo1234]

Gee, a Washtimes hack piece.... it IS getting funnier.

You know what they say about those that live in glass houses.....

So now the WA times is not to be trusted, Can you provide some information from the Huffington post they are totally in the bag for the Bamster!

[Chris]

Gee, a Washtimes hack piece.... it IS getting funnier.

You know what they say about those that live in glass houses.....



And nic stoops to merely attacking the messenger again. No wonder you miss the message.

[Chris]

... and then proclaims Obama a "progressive" ....... with a deadlock senate with some progressives in it, and a regressive house as IN CHARGE!

That's even funnier....


There are two, three, four other posters here who make extensive incohent use of ellipses.