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Captain Obvious
03-25-2014, 10:41 AM
Now here's a trendy political issue that's all the rage with kids nowadays.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/25/nsa-house-bill-bulk-phone-data-collection-end


Administration plan would require NSA to seek a court order to search phone records held by telecoms companies

Peter1469
03-25-2014, 03:57 PM
The House is also advancing related legislation. We will see what the senate does with both of them.

Paperback Writer
03-25-2014, 04:14 PM
Obama can just change how the NSA functions. He is the CEO of the United States. Why is it so difficult for him?

Bob
03-25-2014, 04:50 PM
The House is also advancing related legislation. We will see what the senate does with both of them.

Indeed and further, it seems to me that the House is far ahead of Obama. As of yesterday, I had heard nothing about any Obama plans. [wtf are we doing with a president with a Kenyan name again?]

If you want to see this on TV, check this out.


http://www.c-span.org/video/?318479-1/briefing-fisa-overhaul

Peter1469
03-25-2014, 05:10 PM
Obama can just change how the NSA functions. He is the CEO of the United States. Why is it so difficult for him?

He could make changes to an executive agency that correspond to legislative authority concerning that agency. Often legislation leave a bit of latitude just for that.

If the current House legislation were to pass the House and Senate and become law (with a presidential signature or not) it appears that some of the changes Obama currently wants would likely be outside of the authority I described above.

Green Arrow
03-25-2014, 05:14 PM
Indeed and further, it seems to me that the House is far ahead of Obama. As of yesterday, I had heard nothing about any Obama plans. [wtf are we doing with a president with a Kenyan name again?]

If you want to see this on TV, check this out.


http://www.c-span.org/video/?318479-1/briefing-fisa-overhaul

You want a President Billybob Jones?

Green Arrow
03-25-2014, 05:16 PM
Obama can just change how the NSA functions. He is the CEO of the United States. Why is it so difficult for him?

It's not unlike the closure of Guantanamo Bay. Democrats argue that it's because of "Republican obstruction," but they know as well as the rest of us that he could close it unilaterally if he wanted to.

All this measure is, is another token proposal to please the masses while no real change occurs. We ought to do away with the NSA and CIA completely.

Peter1469
03-25-2014, 05:22 PM
It's not unlike the closure of Guantanamo Bay. Democrats argue that it's because of "Republican obstruction," but they know as well as the rest of us that he could close it unilaterally if he wanted to.

All this measure is, is another token proposal to please the masses while no real change occurs. We ought to do away with the NSA and CIA completely.

The President could close GITMO unilaterally. But the Congress can (and did) write legislation stating that no appropriated funds can be spent to bring GITMO detainees into the US prison system. That was bipartisan.

Heyduke
03-25-2014, 05:29 PM
It's not unlike the closure of Guantanamo Bay. Democrats argue that it's because of "Republican obstruction," but they know as well as the rest of us that he could close it unilaterally if he wanted to.

All this measure is, is another token proposal to please the masses while no real change occurs. We ought to do away with the NSA and CIA completely.

Yep. He'll either offer something that has no chance of passing, or he'll close one door and open another.

Privacy advocates have a chance to win some of the battles, but it'll be 1 step forward and 2 steps back as a general rule. I'm pretty sure that the NSAs Utah data center that never gets any press coverage is still on schedule.

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http://www.endtheillusion.org/images/OneNationUnderSurveillanceSM.png

Green Arrow
03-25-2014, 06:02 PM
The President could close GITMO unilaterally. But the Congress can (and did) write legislation stating that no appropriated funds can be spent to bring GITMO detainees into the US prison system. That was bipartisan.

They don't need to be brought into the prison system. If we have no intention of giving them trials, they should be released.

Peter1469
03-25-2014, 06:35 PM
They don't need to be brought into the prison system. If we have no intention of giving them trials, they should be released.

The ones that we have cleared have not been accepted in any nation that we would trust turning them over to. The ones we haven't cleared may be tried. All can be held until the war with transnational terrorists are over.

Green Arrow
03-25-2014, 07:36 PM
The ones that we have cleared have not been accepted in any nation that we would trust turning them over to. The ones we haven't cleared may be tried. All can be held until the war with transnational terrorists are over.

Then we will never be rid of them, because that war will never end.

Peter1469
03-25-2014, 08:18 PM
Then we will never be rid of them, because that war will never end.

We could give the ones cleared back to the nations that we don't trust. That would get rid of most of them.

Green Arrow
03-25-2014, 08:22 PM
We could give the ones cleared back to the nations that we don't trust. That would get rid of most of them.

Or, hell, everyone wants to piss off Russia these days. Just parachute them onto the Kremlin's front lawn.

Peter1469
03-25-2014, 08:47 PM
Or, hell, everyone wants to piss off Russia these days. Just parachute them onto the Kremlin's front lawn.

Russia would probably shoot the plane down.

patrickt
03-25-2014, 08:53 PM
I think the White House solution will be to have Homeland Security take over the tasks of the NSA with the DNC supervising.