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Peter1469
03-31-2014, 05:04 AM
Well maybe. But the website is down (https://www.healthcare.gov/marketplace/b/create-account/). Again.

GrassrootsConservative
03-31-2014, 05:38 AM
If people don't sign up does that mean that 200,000,000+ people will all be paying the individual mandate?

Libhater
03-31-2014, 05:39 AM
I thought it got another extension..... to sometime around November of 2016

Cigar
03-31-2014, 08:12 AM
I thought it got another extension..... to sometime around November of 2016

Yes, if you're already in the system and have not yet completed it.

This is still, not nearly as long of an extension as George W Bush gave to Prescriptions Drug applicants. You know, the Republican plan that Democrats rallied behind after it became Law. :laugh:

Chris
03-31-2014, 08:13 AM
Obamacare Website Fails as Deadline Arrives (http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/obamacare-deadline/obamacare-website-fails-deadline-arrives-n67666)


People trying to apply and enroll for private health insurance through Obamacare before Monday's midnight deadline discovered the website was "currently unavailable."

Healthcare.gov, the online marketplace bedeviled by bugs since its launch last fall, went down for several hours Monday morning, a statement from the Department of Health and Human Services said. The "tech team is working now to bring the system online as soon as possible," HHS said in a statement....


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CduA0TULnow&feature=kp

Cigar
03-31-2014, 08:14 AM
Well maybe. But the website is down (https://www.healthcare.gov/marketplace/b/create-account/). Again.

If your looking for an alliterative, and we all know you're not, the internet isn't the only way to register even on the last day. :grin:

MrJimmyDale
03-31-2014, 08:14 AM
Yes, if you're already in the system and have not yet completed it. This is still, not nearly as long of an extension as George W Bush gave to Prescriptions Drug applicants. You know, the Republican plan that Democrats rallied behind after it became Law. :laugh:deflection?

Cigar
03-31-2014, 08:15 AM
Amazing the traffic they are getting even in it's final hours of registration :grin:

GOP’s self-defeating myopia: Why its Obamacare mania is now a gift to Democrats Turns out the political conventional wisdom around the Affordable Care Act is wrong -- and the right may be sorry

BRIAN BEUTLER

Here’s a riddle for anyone who thinks the politics of Obamacare are straightforward, and toxic for Democrats. How is it possible, in defiance of public rebuke, widespread misinformation and other headwinds, that insurance enrollment is surging in just about every state in the country?

I suppose it’s possible that these millions of new beneficiaries were all supporters of the law to begin with and don’t hint at more complex views. But I don’t think that’s right.

Over the past several days we’ve been presented with a wealth of evidence that the conventional theory of the Affordable Care Act and the coming midterm elections is flawed.

Going back to last year, before they knew how poor the rollout of the law would be, administration officials knew they’d have to circumvent traditional media to encourage enrollment. But perhaps because the rollout was so bad, the press has been less helpful to the cause of the ACA than the administration expected. Not that it’s the press’s job to encourage enrollment, exactly, but a profusion of glitches and delays has given reporters a lot to write about aside from subsidies and other ACA benefits.

more
http://www.salon.com/2014/03/31/gops_self_defeating_myopia_why_its_obamacare_mania _is_now_a_gift_to_democrats/

Captain Obvious
03-31-2014, 08:16 AM
On one hand it was almost inevitable due to human nature - people will always wait until the last minute to do shit.

On the other hand O'bamacare has been a journey in fail from the getgo, it's only fitting.

Captain Obvious
03-31-2014, 08:20 AM
http://media.npr.org/assets/img/2014/03/27/3-28-toons-1_custom-b8e0d0c506853a380f16e35bf6851a95e03816fb-s4-c85.jpg

Cigar
03-31-2014, 08:36 AM
On one hand it was almost inevitable due to human nature - people will always wait until the last minute to do shit.

On the other hand O'bamacare has been a journey in fail from the getgo, it's only fitting.

If 6 Million in 6 Months is called a Failure, the Democrats will Failure any day ... hell, that's more than the margin of victory in the last Presidential Election.

Can't wait to see the final numbers and the final excuses. I think the latest is, how many have paid. Then after than it will be, how many are going to the doctor. Then after that ... how many are healthy .... and so on ... and so on ... :laugh:

Cigar
03-31-2014, 08:38 AM
http://media.npr.org/assets/img/2014/03/27/3-28-toons-1_custom-b8e0d0c506853a380f16e35bf6851a95e03816fb-s4-c85.jpg



Don't you just hate it how politicians manipulate the dates and access to help their agenda? :grin:

Captain Obvious
03-31-2014, 08:42 AM
Don't you just hate it how politicians manipulate the dates and access to help their agenda? :grin:

This is from NPR - you know, the hopelessly liberal news source.

Chris
03-31-2014, 08:45 AM
Amazing the traffic they are getting even in it's final hours of registration :grin:

GOP’s self-defeating myopia: Why its Obamacare mania is now a gift to Democrats Turns out the political conventional wisdom around the Affordable Care Act is wrong -- and the right may be sorry

BRIAN BEUTLER

Here’s a riddle for anyone who thinks the politics of Obamacare are straightforward, and toxic for Democrats. How is it possible, in defiance of public rebuke, widespread misinformation and other headwinds, that insurance enrollment is surging in just about every state in the country?

I suppose it’s possible that these millions of new beneficiaries were all supporters of the law to begin with and don’t hint at more complex views. But I don’t think that’s right.

Over the past several days we’ve been presented with a wealth of evidence that the conventional theory of the Affordable Care Act and the coming midterm elections is flawed.

Going back to last year, before they knew how poor the rollout of the law would be, administration officials knew they’d have to circumvent traditional media to encourage enrollment. But perhaps because the rollout was so bad, the press has been less helpful to the cause of the ACA than the administration expected. Not that it’s the press’s job to encourage enrollment, exactly, but a profusion of glitches and delays has given reporters a lot to write about aside from subsidies and other ACA benefits.

more
http://www.salon.com/2014/03/31/gops_self_defeating_myopia_why_its_obamacare_mania _is_now_a_gift_to_democrats/




Case in point. I've been using the free http://snag.gy/ for uploading images for posting. It went down over the weekend, no fault of theirs, their host had a hardware failure. So I went back to https://imageshack.com/, but they want to charge now. So a quick search and I found http://postimage.org/.

Moral of the story: In a competitive environment, companies can fail and consumers find an alternative. Not so under government monopoly. Government fails and we have to put up with it, some even continue to cheer it on.

Chris
03-31-2014, 08:46 AM
If 6 Million in 6 Months is called a Failure, the Democrats will Failure any day ... hell, that's more than the margin of victory in the last Presidential Election.

Can't wait to see the final numbers and the final excuses. I think the latest is, how many have paid. Then after than it will be, how many are going to the doctor. Then after that ... how many are healthy .... and so on ... and so on ... :laugh:



The numbers are fudged.

Green Arrow
03-31-2014, 08:46 AM
I prefer this one myself, and it's actually probably more fitting given the subject :tongue:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUJtvN7ToC8

Mr. Right
03-31-2014, 08:59 AM
I read on Drudge that 4 of 5 new sign-ups required subsidies. Big surprise? No, not at all.

Captain Obvious
03-31-2014, 09:00 AM
I read on Drudge that 4 of 5 new sign-ups required subsidies. Big surprise? No, not at all.

Now there's an unbiased news source.

:rollseyes:

nic34
03-31-2014, 09:06 AM
Well maybe. But the website is down (https://www.healthcare.gov/marketplace/b/create-account/). Again.

Do you take a certain amount of joy reporting to us on this issue?

Getting like anti-cigar.... :wink:

nic34
03-31-2014, 09:11 AM
I read on Drudge that 4 of 5 new sign-ups required subsidies. Big surprise? No, not at all.

In other words the ACA is doing what it's supposed to do. Providing "insurance" for the not so well off.

Maybe you shoulda voted for the guy that was for the public option, or even single payer that way all the (tax) money wouldn't be going to big insurance....

Ransom
03-31-2014, 09:11 AM
Before someone blames right wing media....

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304157204579471811445906156?mod=WS J_hp_RightTopStories&mg=reno64-wsj&url=http%3A%2F%2Fonline.wsj.com%2Farticle%2FSB1000 1424052702304157204579471811445906156.html%3Fmod%3 DWSJ_hp_RightTopStories

Mainecoons
03-31-2014, 09:30 AM
Four out of the five require subsidies. On the last day, once again their site crashed.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/101530699

Where is Bagdad Cigar to assure us what a grand success this thing is?

Cigar
03-31-2014, 10:05 AM
The numbers are fudged.

Ok ... tell us exactly what they are ... I'll wait :laugh:

Captain Obvious
03-31-2014, 10:07 AM
Ok ... tell us exactly what they are ... I'll wait :laugh:

They're whatever you want them to be.

Captain Obvious
03-31-2014, 10:11 AM
Maybe they need a promotion:

http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/500x/47922227.jpg

Chris
03-31-2014, 10:13 AM
Ok ... tell us exactly what they are ... I'll wait :laugh:



That's the point. The WH knows the exact numbers but will not disclose them. Why so secretive?

Cigar
03-31-2014, 10:19 AM
Thank for helping make my point ... The GOP said no one wanted ObamaCare.

So is it 1 or 6 Million ... either number is a lot of people show the GOP they were wrong :laugh: again

Green Arrow
03-31-2014, 10:21 AM
Thank for helping make my point ... The GOP said no one wanted ObamaCare.

So is it 1 or 6 Million ... either number is a lot of people show the GOP they were wrong :laugh: again

Not when you consider we have a population of ~360 million and you're going to need all of them to truly show that Americans like this fustercluck.

Even if 6 million was a sufficient number, you'd need at least half of those 6 million to be healthy youngsters, and according to the data, you are mostly signing up old people. You need more younguns if you want to make this work, Cigar.

Chris
03-31-2014, 10:23 AM
Thank for helping make my point ... The GOP said no one wanted ObamaCare.

So is it 1 or 6 Million ... either number is a lot of people show the GOP they were wrong :laugh: again



I'm not speaking for the GOP the way you speak for the DNC, and you just admitted you have no clue what the real numbers are. If the DNC is watching, they might fire you.

Cigar
03-31-2014, 10:28 AM
I'm not speaking for the GOP the way you speak for the DNC, and you just admitted you have no clue what the real numbers are. If the DNC is watching, they might fire you.

Sure I do ... The States are telling how many ... you just don't want to believe it. :laugh:

No matter if you're in denial or not, People, not Numbers are getting Covered ... Like it or No! :grin:

... and there's ain't a darn thing you can do about it but bitch everyday for the last 4 years and beyond ... until the day you die. :wink:

Ransom
03-31-2014, 10:30 AM
I remember when the troubled website was being blamed on the state exchanges not run by the ACA.

Cigar
03-31-2014, 10:32 AM
I remember when the troubled website was being blamed on the state exchanges not run by the ACA.

Now they are the supper heroes ... deny all you want, but the numbers will not lie :laugh:


New Analysis: 9.5 Million Uninsured People Covered Under Obamacare

About 9.5 million Americans who were previously uninsured have gotten health coverage under Obamacare, according to a new analysis.

The Los Angeles Times reported the number, which combines data from an unpublished study by RAND Corp. with other publicly available figures. It's one of the most comprehensive efforts yet to asses the law's impact on the uninsured as open enrollment comes to a close.

The numbers break down like this:


- 6 million people have enrolled in private coverage through Healthcare.gov and its state counterparts. The Times estimated that about one-third of them -- or about 2 million -- were uninsured, based in part on new numbers from RAND.


http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/rand-study-obamacare-uninsured





Deny Deny Deny Deny Deny Deny Deny Deny :laugh:

Captain Obvious
03-31-2014, 10:36 AM
Now they are the supper heroes ...

Massive Freudian slip.

Chris
03-31-2014, 10:38 AM
Sure I do ... The States are telling how many ... you just don't want to believe it. :laugh:

No matter if you're in denial or not, People, not Numbers are getting Covered ... Like it or No! :grin:

... and there's ain't a darn thing you can do about it but bitch everyday for the last 4 years and beyond ... until the day you die. :wink:



Give us the WH source for the official count then, cigar....

Cigar
03-31-2014, 10:38 AM
Massive Freudian slip.

You concentrate on the typos ... I'll concentrate on the Numbers ... let's see who comes out ahead between the two of us :laugh:

Cigar
03-31-2014, 10:39 AM
Give us the WH source for the official count then, cigar....

WHY ... you'll just Deny it :laugh:

Ransom
03-31-2014, 10:40 AM
The 6 million count is those who have chosen a plan. Including those that qualify for medicare. Young people didn't sign up, Harry Reid himself claiming one of the huge problems is the older generations struggling with the internet.

This has been a failed rollout and it's continued struggles put the GOP in a good position to take the Senate back this November.

I pray for that.

Chris
03-31-2014, 10:43 AM
WHY ... you'll just Deny it :laugh:


Can't deny what you can't deliver.

Cigar
03-31-2014, 10:45 AM
Can't deny what you can't deliver.

I remember what you were saying in October ... now I see what you're say today. :grin:

BB-35
03-31-2014, 10:56 AM
in a bit over 3-1/2 years during WW2 we were able to build and launch 22 aircraft carriers.

Same amount of time,roughly, Obama couldn't make a working website

Cigar
03-31-2014, 11:00 AM
Four out of the five require subsidies. On the last day, once again their site crashed.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/101530699

Where is Bagdad Cigar to assure us what a grand success this thing is?

:grin: The Fact that exist ... still ... and growing rapidity :laugh:

Captain Obvious
03-31-2014, 11:01 AM
:grin: The Fact that exist ... still ... and growing rapidity :laugh:

Ceebonics?

Chris
03-31-2014, 11:10 AM
I remember what you were saying in October ... now I see what you're say today. :grin:



What was I saying in October? Quick, now, go find it....

Cigar
03-31-2014, 11:18 AM
Ceebonics?

Yep ... learn it, you'll need it :laugh:


What really cracks me up, was all the Righty's on this Forum who were jumping for joy, hyperventilating, and stroking themselves into an organism of the Website problems ... and I just calmly said ... see you the end of March.

Well ... it's the End of March ... who's your Daddy Now? :laugh:

Mr. Right
03-31-2014, 12:30 PM
Yep ... learn it, you'll need it :laugh:


What really cracks me up, was all the Righty's on this Forum who were jumping for joy, hyperventilating, and stroking themselves into an organism of the Website problems ... and I just calmly said ... see you the end of March.

Well ... it's the End of March ... who's your Daddy Now? :laugh:

ORGANISM? LOL!!

I don't get it Cigar. What is it you're celebrating. < than 2% of the citizens have signed up. Some will blame the POS website. Others, like myself, refuse to sign up to this government run scam. Who wants to board a ship they know is sinking?

Cigar
03-31-2014, 12:33 PM
ORGANISM? LOL!!

I don't get it Cigar. What is it you're celebrating. < than 2% of the citizens have signed up. Some will blame the POS website. Others, like myself, refuse to sign up to this government run scam. Who wants to board a ship they know is sinking?

I'm Celebrating that our fellow American Citizens now have the Opportunity to receive affordable Health Care.

Why would anyone have a problem with their fellow American Citizens now having the Opportunity to receive affordable Health Care? :huh:

Mainecoons
03-31-2014, 01:29 PM
Do you take a certain amount of joy reporting to us on this issue?

Getting like anti-cigar.... :wink:

Only because you keep trying to run away from the reality here.

Mainecoons
03-31-2014, 01:31 PM
Look at the bright side. All those folks who lost their insurance are being "balanced out" by all those folks who have signed up with subsidies and who really don't have a clue what is going to happen when they try to use these junk policies and the docs/hospitals say, "wait a minute, have you made your deductible yet? Can you afford the copay?"

bladimz
03-31-2014, 02:56 PM
This outrage levied against the ACA might be more convincing to me if our good friends in the GOP weren't so lazer-focused on repealing the program. 50+ times and counting. Time, money (plenty of it) and worthless effort poured into it every time. I'm sorry, but they are looking like they are much more concerned that Obama might gain a "victory". For God's sake, if they are really worried about the law itself, please, please... produce an alternative, improved program. But that might be a positive reaction to the ACA; and that's not the GOP's M.O.

Chris
03-31-2014, 03:29 PM
This outrage levied against the ACA might be more convincing to me if our good friends in the GOP weren't so lazer-focused on repealing the program. 50+ times and counting. Time, money (plenty of it) and worthless effort poured into it every time. I'm sorry, but they are looking like they are much more concerned that Obama might gain a "victory". For God's sake, if they are really worried about the law itself, please, please... produce an alternative, improved program. But that might be a positive reaction to the ACA; and that's not the GOP's M.O.



It's hard to repeal failure.

Outrage? How about ROTFLMAO.




Cigar, even WaPo admits the numbers are fudged: Making up good news about Obamacare (http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/marc-thiessen-made-up-good-news-about-obamacare/2014/03/31/1ed97eba-b8d1-11e3-899e-bb708e3539dd_story.html)


The Obama administration is celebrating that it has achieved its (downwardly revised) goal of signing up more than 6 million Americans for Obamacare by 11:59 p.m. March 31. Mission accomplished!

Not quite. The administration has not revealed how many of those 6 million people have paid their premiums. If you have not paid, you have not actually “enrolled.” It’s like putting merchandise in your Amazon cart but never clicking “buy.”

Besides, the number that matters is not how many Americans signed up for Obamacare but rather how many previously uninsured Americans signed up for Obamacare. By that standard, Obamacare may be headed for an epic failure.

...

bladimz
03-31-2014, 03:41 PM
It's hard to repeal failure.

Outrage? How about ROTFLMAO.




@Cigar (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=294), even WaPo admits the numbers are fudged: Making up good news about Obamacare (http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/marc-thiessen-made-up-good-news-about-obamacare/2014/03/31/1ed97eba-b8d1-11e3-899e-bb708e3539dd_story.html)Then why do they struggle so mightily to do it? Especially without proposing an alternative, better program?

KC
03-31-2014, 03:55 PM
Haven't signed up yet, don't intend to.

keymanjim
03-31-2014, 04:12 PM
I'm Celebrating that our fellow American Citizens now have the Opportunity to receive affordable Health Care.

Why would anyone have a problem with their fellow American Citizens now having the Opportunity to receive affordable Health Care? :huh:
Except, obamacare makes health insurance more expensive and healthcare harder to find.

Way to go, dingbats.

Chris
03-31-2014, 04:28 PM
Then why do they struggle so mightily to do it? Especially without proposing an alternative, better program?



Dunno, not a Republican anymore than I'm a Democrat and can't explain either.

Plenty alternatives have been offered.

bladimz
03-31-2014, 04:37 PM
Dunno, not a Republican anymore than I'm a Democrat and can't explain either.

Plenty alternatives have been offered.Oh. Just not viable alternatives?

bladimz
03-31-2014, 04:38 PM
Except, obamacare makes health insurance more expensive and healthcare harder to find.

Way to go, dingbats.That's one opinion.

Peter1469
03-31-2014, 05:10 PM
Oh. Just not viable alternatives?

If the GOP would listen to me, they would STFU about Obamacare and alternatives until after the November elections. Let the voters think about the law that had to be passed so they could find out what was in it.

nic34
03-31-2014, 05:24 PM
If the GOP would listen to me, they would STFU about Obamacare and alternatives until after the November elections. Let the voters think about the law that had to be passed so they could find out what was in it.

Realistically, it'll take years....

barbarap
03-31-2014, 05:27 PM
If the GOP would listen to me, they would STFU about Obamacare and alternatives until after the November elections. Let the voters think about the law that had to be passed so they could find out what was in it.

The GOP doesn't want to wait because as people begin to reap the benefits of the ACA, they will become better at sifting through the talking points and the truth.

nic34
03-31-2014, 05:30 PM
The GOP doesn't want to wait because as people begin to reap the benefits of the ACA, they will become better at sifting through the talking points and the truth.

You might be right in the short term.... the GOP is BANKING on the mid-terms.......

Maybe they're looking to repeal 50 more times.... then because of looking foolish again, they'll lose it all in 2016. :laugh:

Bob
03-31-2014, 05:47 PM
http://thepoliticalforums.com/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by Peter1469 http://thepoliticalforums.com/images/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://thepoliticalforums.com/showthread.php?p=563294#post563294)
If the GOP would listen to me, they would STFU about Obamacare and alternatives until after the November elections. Let the voters think about the law that had to be passed so they could find out what was in it.

The GOP doesn't want to wait because as people begin to reap the benefits of the ACA, they will become better at sifting through the talking points and the truth.

That is not what Peter means. He means once we have both houses, and then the POTUS, we can then revoke it.

Sad to say, for a fringe group, they came out like kings as to the law. But the majority got hurt.

Notice how Obama claims that 60 million did not have insurance but now he claims he roped in 6 million. A lot lost policies so maybe most who got insured merely got a new policy to replace the policy cancelled.

The damned left wing media is so in love with Obama they refuse to properly analyze the law.

Chris
03-31-2014, 06:15 PM
Oh. Just not viable alternatives?


It's ironic that for a long while the liberal comeback was Obamacare was based on the Heritage Foundation suggestion of mandating insurance like auto insurance. As a much more free-market solution, there alone was a better alternative.

Do you think the Dems while in power would consider seriously any alternative?