Yellowstone Buffalo Fleeing

[KC]

At least they know which side of the road to run on. Does anyone have any theories about why animals are fleeing Yellowstone? I heard there's a possibility that a dormant supervolcano may erupt, but the news source wasn't credible.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_csBXWlUA4#t=28

[junie]

If Yellowstone Could Talk, It Might Squeak. Blame The Helium

A huge amount of ancient helium is rising up from the rocks beneath Yellowstone National Park — about enough to fill up a Goodyear blimp every week.

The gas comes from a vast store of helium that's accumulated in the Earth's crust for hundreds of millions of years, scientists report in the journal this week.

The helium is being released because in the past couple of million years — very recently, in geologic time — that old part of the crust has been feeling the heat from a huge volcano that is now sleeping underneath the park.

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2014/02/18/279246118/if-yellowstone-could-talk-it-might-squeak-blame-the-helium

[Peter1469]

Animals can sense things like earthquakes and tsunamis. Something is compelling them to hit the road.

[Bob]

Animals can sense things like earthquakes and tsunamis. Something is compelling them to hit the road.

Perhaps there is a smell they do not like and are getting away from it?

Perhaps the park site has news.

Update: Yellowstone National Park Public Affairs Chief Al Nash said in a YouTube video (update:%20Yellowstone%20National%20Park%20Public% 20Affairs%20Chief%20Al%20Nash%20said%20in%20a%20Yo uTube%20video%20that%20the%20bison%20movement%20is %20completely%20normal%20and%20caused%20by%20the%2 0harsh%20weather%20and%20that%20that%20"have%20see n%20no%20signs%20to%20suggest%20the%20Yellowstone% 20volcano%20is%20about%20to%20erupt.")that the bison movement is completely normal (caused by the harsh weather) and that they "have seen no signs to suggest the Yellowstone volcano is about to erupt."
Um, should we be worried?
A herd of bison was seen running through Yellowstone National Park, which ordinarily wouldn't cause much alarm. But since their movement coincides with the 4.8-magnitude earthquake that hit last weekend, some folks think they're not running…but fleeing.
Fleeing from what? Well, a supervolcano lies within Yellowstone National Park, so a lot of people are taking the bison's activity as a sign of an impending eruption. Animals have been known to sense geological events before they happen, which is why whenever our cats run under the bed for seemingly no reason, we hit the deck as well.

[KC]

Animals can sense things like earthquakes and tsunamis. Something is compelling them to hit the road.

The question is what is coming? Might it be the Supervolcano?

[Peter1469]

The question is what is coming? Might it be the Supervolcano?
It is over due. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellowstone_Caldera)

[Peter1469]

A PBS story (http://www.pbs.org/wnet/nature/episodes/can-animals-predict-disaster/introduction/130/) on animals sensing coming disasters.


In interviews with scientists and eyewitnesses, NATURE probes the evidence that some animals may have senses that allow them to predict impending natural disasters long before we can.
Some creatures, for instance, may be able to “hear” infrasound, — sounds produced by natural phenomena, including earthquakes, volcanoes, and storms, that are inaudible to the human ear. This ability may give elephants and other animals enough time to react and flee to safety.

Another explanation may lie in animals’ sensitivities to electromagnetic field variations. Quantum geophysicist Motoji Ikeya has found that certain animals react to changes in electrical currents. He now regularly monitors a catfish, the most sensitive of the creatures he has tested, to aid him in warning others of coming disaster.

[Peter1469]

The park rangers speak: (http://news.yahoo.com/scientists-dismiss-claims-yellowstone-volcano-erupt-235751568.html)


Yellowstone National Park assured guests and the public on Thursday that a super-volcano under the park was not expected to erupt anytime soon, despite an alarmist video that claimed bison had been seen fleeing to avoid such a calamity.

Yellowstone officials, who fielded dozens of calls and emails since the video went viral this week following an earthquake in the park, said the video actually shows bison galloping down a paved road that leads deeper into the park. (To see the video, click on http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ij7ZHa1GqPQ)

"It was a spring-like day and they were frisky. Contrary to online reports, it's a natural occurrence and not the end of the world," park spokeswoman Amy Bartlett said.

[nic34]

Yellowstone won't be in my travel plans anytime soon. Glad I've already been there.

[KC]

Yellowstone won't be in my travel plans anytime soon. Glad I've already been there.

I have always wanted to camp there. Never been.

[donttread]

Is there any presedent for this?

[Peter1469]

Is there any presedent for this?

Yes. (http://www.pbs.org/wnet/nature/episodes/can-animals-predict-disaster/introduction/130/)

Also in the tsunami (http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/01/0104_050104_tsunami_animals.html)that hit the Indian Ocean basin in 2004, lots of animals were going nuts prior to the event.

[Codename Section]

Part of why I fight progressivism is because it is anti-evolutionary in a lot of ways. It depends on technology and an abundance of altruism for the human race to survive.

Like if a supervolcano went and we had a global "winter" progressives would be fucked by and large.

[Green Arrow]

Part of why I fight progressivism is because it is anti-evolutionary in a lot of ways. It depends on technology and an abundance of altruism for the human race to survive.

Like if a supervolcano went and we had a global "winter" progressives would be fucked by and large.

Truth.

[nic34]

Part of why I fight progressivism is because it is anti-evolutionary in a lot of ways. It depends on technology and an abundance of altruism for the human race to survive.

Like if a supervolcano went and we had a global "winter" progressives would be fucked by and large.

What is wrong with you? You've never met a real progressive.

Sheeesh.....

[Codename Section]

What is wrong with you? You've never met a real progressive.

Sheeesh.....

Not liberal, Nic, progressive.

Progressives are meddlers, not necessarily communal.

[nic34]

Not liberal, Nic, progressive.

Progressives are meddlers, not necessarily communal.

You and I have different definitions of those terms:

http://prorev.com/proglib.htm

[nic34]

And:

http://prorev.com

[Peter1469]

You and I have different definitions of those terms:

http://prorev.com/proglib.htm

Wow.


Progressives don’t think the commerce clause of the Constitution should be used just because you feel like doing something, such as avoiding single payer health insurance. There is a huge difference between using the commerce clause to guarantee human rights and using it to subsidize health insurance companies.

Well intentioned. Just zero constitutional law knowledge.

[Cthulhu]

I was talking to my brother in law the other day about this - he is a ranching bubba and knows stuff like this.. Apparently they do this every year. So I remain skeptic as to whether this is the indicator of yellowstone's Ka-boom.

Regardless, if it does go boom any time soon, you can kiss the bulk of the US good bye.

[Peter1469]

I was talking to my brother in law the other day about this - he is a ranching bubba and knows stuff like this.. Apparently they do this every year. So I remain skeptic as to whether this is the indicator of yellowstone's Ka-boom.

Regardless, if it does go boom any time soon, you can kiss the bulk of the US good bye.


I think I will be fine here- all things considering. If any of you people out west and north need a place to crash let me know.

[Heyduke]

The festival season has begun. I am currently in the festival business. We promote, attend, and occasionally ruin festivals.

I have no idea if or whether Putin has subsumed the entire European continent, or if they've unravelled any riddles about the Malaysian jetliner, or if the cure for Alzheimers has been invented. I've been living outside. All I know is that it was like 83 degrees where I was trying to work today. And now, I've escaped back to the redwoods and the shade, and I happen to find great relief recharging amongst the ferns by the creek, and I have a couple 12'ers of Lagunitas that I didn't manage to sell last weekend, and those are chilling in the creek, and I have just very recently twisted up a veritable Hindenburg of an organic strain of well preserved outdoor sensimilla var. Kali Myst. I will burn that down shortly.

I'll check back in a week or two, to see if the rest of the world has persisted. At the moment, I need to locate a lighter and a beach chair...

[Max Rockatansky]

If it's a supervolcano, we're all fucked so I wouldn't worry about it.

Odds are, something spooked the Buffalo or they just happened to run out onto and along a road. That's the only video we keep seeing over and over. No others of buffalo, deer or rabbits running for Canada or Mexico. Just that one. If there was something to it, we'd see more of this by now.

[Ravi]

They've been wrong before.

[Bob]

From the looks of that video, my guess is that behind them to the right, where you can't see it, is Old Faithful. That they are running in the direction of the lake which of course is where some evidence of the volcano happens to be.

I read this and am re posting it with some proper bold words to get a better understanding.

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In interviews with scientists and eyewitnesses, NATURE probes the evidence that some animals may have senses that allow them to predict impending natural disasters long before we can.
Some creatures, for instance, may be able to “hear” infrasound, — sounds produced by natural phenomena, including earthquakes, volcanoes, and storms, that are inaudible to the human ear. This ability may give elephants and other animals enough time to react and flee to safety.

Another explanation may lie in animals’ sensitivities to electromagnetic field variations. Quantum geophysicist Motoji Ikeya has found that certain animals react to changes in electrical currents. He now regularly monitors a catfish, the most sensitive of the creatures he has tested, to aid him in warning others of coming disaster.

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Now, notice the frequent use of MAY. Then notice his conclusion depends on a catfish that he had not spoken of.

Does anybody think that is good science?

[Bob]

Some of you, as I have, have been to Yellowstone park. I drove in from the east side so got a very good look at the lake. I drove up to Old Faithful using one road but once I saw that, took that road in the Video. I am pretty certain I drove the same way the Buffalo are running and realize the mountains to the left hand side are bordering Idaho. I had to get to Pocatello to spend the night so I recall the lay of the land. What I had done is head the way the Buffalo are in the video then turned around to drive back where I departed Yellowstone way up the road to the left in that video. I headed down a road that first hits Montana then down into Idaho thence to Pocatello.

Yellowstone lacks large trees. They are mostly lodgepole pines. Those have small trunks though can get to maybe 75 feet tall. Not having measured one, maybe they can get taller. I saw Bison when I was there that spring.

While there, I stopped to watch Old Faithful and spent time at the very nice lodge next to it. I drove up one road headed to Montana where a river runs and saw some of the beautiful waterfalls. I saw some of the volcanic action as well such as the colorful ponds and some that had a foul odor. No doubt from the sulfur. I did not encounter a Bison on the road to the point it blocked me. Probably because they were in some meadow grazing.

I am not 100 percent certain the Bison are pure bloods. Maybe one of you knows for sure. At one point, they Bred Bison with beef to create beefalo. This caused problems when others came along later determined to have wild 100 percent Bison to have roam wild.

[sachem]

Where are the bison fleeing to? When will they get there?

[Green Arrow]

Where are the bison fleeing to? When will they get there?

Where did they come from? Where did they go?

[Captain Obvious]

Where are the bison fleeing to? When will they get there?

They're going to shuffle off...

(wait for it...)

[sachem]

Where did they come from? Where did they go?Exactly.

[sachem]

They're going to shuffle off...

(wait for it...):D

[Cthulhu]

I think I will be fine here- all things considering. If any of you people out west and north need a place to crash let me know.

I think we'll be fine.

If it does blow though, and you guys don't hear from me for a couple weeks. Assume the worst has happened - that we have burrowed into the earth and became dwarves who hunt orcs and fight lava monsters or something. And after centuries of breeding and fighting, we will return to the surface world for conquest only.

[sachem]

By then Internet service should be restored.

[GrassrootsConservative]

I'm in Nebraska.

I'd rather not think about it.

:undecided:

[Bob]

http://thepoliticalforums.com/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by Green Arrow http://thepoliticalforums.com/images/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://thepoliticalforums.com/showthread.php?p=569593#post569593)
Where did they come from? Where did they go?


Exactly.

A lot of Yellowstone is forest as opposed to meadows.

There is a road that intersects with the highway you take to get into Idaho that looks exactly like that video.

It is a great place for the Bison to graze. But they appear to be running down the road that passes the lake. Bison can graze on both sides since there are few trees there. If you look at the map, the road passes the intersection that you take to get to Old Faithful then heads down to the lake. A lot of the park burned yet large areas that are meadows lacked trees to burn and the Bison graze there. I drove around a bit and that was where i spotted the bison.

[Bob]

Where are the bison fleeing to? When will they get there?

They are not fleeing. I believe they grazed and now want water thus head to the lake to drink.

The park says this is what they normally do.

[nic34]

I was talking to my brother in law the other day about this - he is a ranching bubba and knows stuff like this.. Apparently they do this every year. So I remain skeptic as to whether this is the indicator of yellowstone's Ka-boom.

Regardless, if it does go boom any time soon, you can kiss the bulk of the US good bye.

Nuclear winter for 7 years minimum.

You'll need hydroponics and the right varieties to grow. A good solar array and some backup batteries for power. The right kind of batteries can last years if maintained correctly. Your generators will peter out in less than a year.

In other words you'll need tech and altruistic geeks with know how for any group to survive.

[KC]

I was talking to my brother in law the other day about this - he is a ranching bubba and knows stuff like this.. Apparently they do this every year. So I remain skeptic as to whether this is the indicator of yellowstone's Ka-boom.

Regardless, if it does go boom any time soon, you can kiss the bulk of the US good bye.

If that's true the media's blown this one out of proportion. I've been hearing about it a lot.

[Bob]

http://thepoliticalforums.com/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by Cthulhu http://thepoliticalforums.com/images/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://thepoliticalforums.com/showthread.php?p=569181#post569181)
I was talking to my brother in law the other day about this - he is a ranching bubba and knows stuff like this.. Apparently they do this every year. So I remain skeptic as to whether this is the indicator of yellowstone's Ka-boom.

Regardless, if it does go boom any time soon, you can kiss the bulk of the US good bye.


If that's true the media's blown this one out of proportion. I've been hearing about it a lot.

First, fortunately a lake covers the likely spot of an eruption.

Next, nobody can predict if it will be a burp or a huge explosion. Nobody can predict the timing of the event.

However were it super sized, due to prevailing winds, the ash blows east. This no guarantee that some won't end up also blowing west. It depends a lot on when it happens. Maps of the ash do show in the worst case much that is east will be impacted. The nearer one is to the explosion, the more they will have ash.

Ash should be called volcano sand. I used to keep a bottle of the ash from Mt. St. Helens and it was very heavy.

[Bob]

Nuclear winter for 7 years minimum.

You'll need hydroponics and the right varieties to grow. A good solar array and some backup batteries for power. The right kind of batteries can last years if maintained correctly. Your generators will peter out in less than a year.

In other words you'll need tech and altruistic geeks with know how for any group to survive.

Do you understand that you are acting as if the very worst would happen.

How do you know that if it blows, it won't just be a large burp?

Are you in the volcano prediction business?

Also, Volcanos do not produce nuclear winters.

[nic34]

Also, Volcanos do not produce nuclear winters.

Really?

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Toba

[GrassrootsConservative]

Really?

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Toba

And now for the definition of nuclear winter:

https://www.google.com/#q=nuclear+winter+definition

[Bob]

Really?

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Toba

You did not say volcanic winter, you said nuclear winter. Who told you that volcanoes eruptions are radioactive?

You best return to class.

[GrassrootsConservative]

He's not concerned with science or the truth.

[Bob]

He's not concerned with science or the truth.

He thinks it is worse by saying nuclear.

Earth naturally has plenty of radioactive materials. Uranium ore is radioactive but if left wingers bothered to check, the amount of radioactivity is low grade.

It must be enhanced to be very radioactive. For proof, study the problems in Iran with trying to get very radioactive materials to use.

[Max Rockatansky]

All the chit-chat nitpicking aside, on April 10th, 1815 Mt. Tambora erupted with such force that the following year was known as "the year without a summer". Massive crop failures resulted with subsequent famine. A supervolcano eruption in the US would have greater cataclysmic consequences.

http://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/blast-from-the-past-65102374/?no-ist

The most destructive explosion on earth in the past 10,000 years was the eruption of an obscure volcano in Indonesia called MountTambora. More than 13,000 feet high, Tambora blew up in 1815 and blasted 12 cubic miles of gases, dust and rock into the atmosphere and onto the island of Sumbawa and the surrounding area. Rivers of incandescent ash poured down the mountain’s flanks and burned grasslands and forests. The ground shook, sending tsunamis racing across the JavaSea. An estimated 10,000 of the island’s inhabitants died instantly.

It’s the eruption’s far-flung consequences, however, that have most intrigued scholars and scientists. They have studied how debris from the volcano shrouded and chilled parts of the planet for many months, contributing to crop failure and famine in North America and epidemics in Europe. Climate experts believe that Tambora was partly responsible for the unseasonable chill that afflicted much of the Northern Hemisphere in 1816, known as the “year without a summer.” Tamboran gloom may have even played a part in the creation of one of the 19th century’s most enduring fictional characters, Dr. Frankenstein’s monster.

[nic34]

You did not say volcanic winter, you said nuclear winter. Who told you that volcanoes eruptions are radioactive?

You best return to class.

The use of "nuclear" is an expression. Stop being obtuse and grow up.

[Max Rockatansky]

The use of "nuclear" is an expression. Stop being obtuse and grow up.When discussing science it's best to be exact. While they were nitpicking, they were also correct. :)