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nathanbforrest45
04-03-2014, 07:40 PM
Rush Limbaugh today had a caller who's position was that if the Conservatives wanted to gain any support they should stop telling people the best way to accomplish something is without government assistance. His position was that we are scaring people into thinking that what Conservatives are saying is that if you follow us then you are on your own and not to expect any assistance from anyone. He said that philosophy would appeal to those who have already been successful but the rest of the population didn't think this was possible and would fail without public assistance. In essence the only way conservatives would ever be successful would be by becoming liberals.

Have we sunk to the position that people have no self assurance, no self esteem, no belief in their own abilities? Should we treat the general population like children and guide them in every aspect of their lives because, like children they need their parents for survival?

Professor Peabody
04-03-2014, 10:12 PM
Wednesday, February 17, 2010

Poll: Start over on health reform

A Zogby International poll released Tuesday shows that 57 percent of Americans do not like either of the competing health care bills produced by the Senate and House and say Congress should start over, as a group of bipartisan lawmakers head to a health care.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/feb/17/poll-start-over-on-health-reform/[/B]

In schools every one gets a trophy or no one. There are NO winners or losers for fear of damaging their self esteem. Is it any wonder no youngins believes in their own abilities? Then they hit the real world where it's competitive to find and keep jobs, then they wonder why they hear "YOU'RE FIRED!"

Refugee
04-04-2014, 04:36 AM
Rush Limbaugh today had a caller who's position was that if the Conservatives wanted to gain any support they should stop telling people the best way to accomplish something is without government assistance. His position was that we are scaring people into thinking that what Conservatives are saying is that if you follow us then you are on your own and not to expect any assistance from anyone. He said that philosophy would appeal to those who have already been successful but the rest of the population didn't think this was possible and would fail without public assistance. In essence the only way conservatives would ever be successful would be by becoming liberals.

Have we sunk to the position that people have no self assurance, no self esteem, no belief in their own abilities? Should we treat the general population like children and guide them in every aspect of their lives because, like children they need their parents for survival?

This is already occurring in the UK. The main argument against the Conservative party, (Republicans), are not their economic or foreign policies, but that they reduce welfare benefits. The higher number of welfare dependent, the bigger the outcry. Understandable really, as you vote for the man who puts bread on your table and if that’s someone else’s bread, it doesn’t make a huge deal of difference to those receiving it. We actually use the term, ‘Nanny State’. That’s the main argument against an entitlement culture, it produces dependency.

The Labour party, (Democrats), on the other hand openly admit that it is the government’s job to ‘look after’ people, to provide and share equally, although it’s never equal for those that have to fund it and taxes never seem to go down for those paying. In the end it produces a two tier society; those dependent seldom move off benefits, (who refuses anything free?) and those who pay work harder to keep it all going. Amazingly, or perhaps not, throwing someone else’s money at people never actually seems to reduce poverty, in fact it seems to increase it. Everyone by nature always wants more.

The UK has huge numbers on welfare and increasing poverty. That statement might shock liberals, but that’s how it is under UK socialism, would it be any different under Obama?

Peter1469
04-04-2014, 06:04 AM
You're right that is how it is here as well. Though it is not as bad as the UK yet.

texan
04-07-2014, 09:47 AM
I do think that people are feeling a bit helpless, I kind of get why.

Many elected Obama to solve these ills but he simply provoded lip service to get elected. There is no creativity in his efforts. He has simply been poor at adding good jobs. He has been poor on wages (he thinks the $10 per hour helps the midle class? Nope!), Obamacare is a big reason. Companies just said lets wait and see how this affects us long term, so they slowed adding jobs. It's true. Why wouldn't you as a 50 ish employee company? Slow roll everything to see how it shakes out.

Never has anyone that I can remember made such BS promises to everyone and flopped like this guy has so far. The world is on fire around us because we quit leading in the world and started approaching things like we are Switzerland. What do you think? I don't know what do you think? Meanwhile we have rioting around the world, countries on fire all around us, re- lines drawn with no consequences, embasseys overrun and nobody cares............truly lame.

Moral of the story
When you trump up everything and don't really do anything you get apathy. Overtime people lose hope. Great speeches won't solve many problems. There is risk in leadership, sometimes things get messy. But people respect leaders that get out in front, we do not have much respect in the world now and it shows as tyrants flip us the finger and ask what will you do America? Absolutely nothing really.

Spectre
04-07-2014, 09:50 AM
You mean: Should conservatives treat the people the same way progressivists do?

No!

nathanbforrest45
04-07-2014, 10:05 AM
You mean: Should conservatives treat the people the same way progressivists do?

No!


Well, that is what this caller thought we should do.

Terminal Lance
04-07-2014, 10:11 AM
I am not for handouts. I joined the military. Others my age could have done it, too. But right now in the middle of this economic shitbed is the wrong time to cut them. Not only would it flood the market with more people than low wage jobs, but there would be none of the spending money people on entitlements put into the system.

I think Republicans would do well to not focus on entitlements especially now and look at waste fraud and abuse, particularly from DOD contractors because if not they look like hypocrites.

Matty
04-07-2014, 10:23 AM
I do think that people are feeling a bit helpless, I kind of get why.

Many elected Obama to solve these ills but he simply provoded lip service to get elected. There is no creativity in his efforts. He has simply been poor at adding good jobs. He has been poor on wages (he thinks the $10 per hour helps the midle class? Nope!), Obamacare is a big reason. Companies just said lets wait and see how this affects us long term, so they slowed adding jobs. It's true. Why wouldn't you as a 50 ish employee company? Slow roll everything to see how it shakes out.

Never has anyone that I can remember made such BS promises to everyone and flopped like this guy has so far. The world is on fire around us because we quit leading in the world and started approaching things like we are Switzerland. What do you think? I don't know what do you think? Meanwhile we have rioting around the world, countries on fire all around us, re- lines drawn with no consequences, embasseys overrun and nobody cares............truly lame.

Moral of the story
When you trump up everything and don't really do anything you get apathy. Overtime people lose hope. Great speeches won't solve many problems. There is risk in leadership, sometimes things get messy. But people respect leaders that get out in front, we do not have much respect in the world now and it shows as tyrants flip us the finger and ask what will you do America? Absolutely nothing really.
Obama was not elected to improve the economy! He was elected to "fundamentally change America" he has met that goal. Everything he has managed to do is aimed at punishing the successful and redistributing their wealth, even Joe the plumber could see that coming. Hehas destroyed our health care system, he has divided the people. Democrats will spend many days regretting that they elected this man and set the wheels of destruction in motion. I cannot wait until November.

texan
04-07-2014, 01:32 PM
He ran on improving the economy and protecting the middle class and to this day plays those cards. As for the fundamental changing of America I say that has to be perminant so save the mission accompliched message for now. I am not convinced that he has accomplished that just yet. Most of what he has done can be corrected, I am not sure Obamacare can be repealed but I expect someone anyone to fix it so it makes some sense. The lower middle class and middle class should not he picking up the tab for those getting credits and the rich paying nothing. This dude has screwed those who pay the bills.

The Sage of Main Street
04-07-2014, 03:57 PM
Have we sunk to the position that people have no self assurance, no self esteem, no belief in their own abilities? Should we treat the general population like children and guide them in every aspect of their lives because, like children they need their parents for survival?

Sure, because most "successes" would have been nobodies without their Daddy's Money. Limbaugh himself got his start in radio because his Daddy owned a radio station.

The Sage of Main Street
04-07-2014, 04:00 PM
Is it any wonder no youngins believe in their own abilities? Then they hit the real world where it's competitive to find and keep jobs, then they wonder why they hear "YOU'RE FIRED!"
The bosses are the ones their employees ought to be able to fire.