Koch Brothers ~ *Fighting to Restore a Free Society*

[exotix]

Today

Where is one instance of Govt. attacking us in this Op-Ed ?

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702303978304579475860515021286


*I have devoted most of my life to understanding the principles that enable people to improve their lives.

It is those principles—the principles of a free society—that have shaped my life, my family, our company and America itself.

Unfortunately, the fundamental concepts of dignity, respect, equality before the law and personal freedom are under attack by the nation's own government.

That's why, if we want to restore a free society and create greater well-being and opportunity for all Americans, we have no choice but to fight for those principles.

I have been doing so for more than 50 years, primarily through educational efforts. It was only in the past decade that I realized the need to also engage in the political process*

~ Charles Koch



(R-Kansas) Sen. Jerry Moran ... a Koch Brothers beneficiary ... actually took to the floor to read the entire Koch Brother Op-Ed ... 'a meshing faux-patriotic treacle, propaganda and self-pitying whining' ... to a nearly empty Senate Chambers ... LOL

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/04/03/1289398/-Sen-Moran-performs-ultimate-in-constituent-services-by-reading-Charles-Koch-s-op-ed-on-Senate-floor#

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[Peter1469]

The left hates the Koch Brothers because they advocate for freedom and what not.

F'em. They deserve it, right Exo?

[exotix]

The left hates the Koch Brothers because they advocate for freedom and what not.

F'em. They deserve it, right Exo?
Depends ... the Dems have found a campaign platform in shredding the Kochs ... this is why Charles Koch needed to write this Op-Ed ... at Harry Reid ...

[Peter1469]

Depends ... the Dems have found a campaign platform in shredding the Kochs ... this is why they needed to write this Op-Ed ... at Harry Reid ...

That is true. And they do have the media on their side.

[Bob]

It used to be the Scaife family they hated. Suddenly they hate Koch. I am fortunate to get the left wing propaganda and got the alert to smash the Koch family. You have to keep an eye on the enemy.

[Peter1469]

They are libertarians and believe in less government and more freedom.

Liberals and the media (but I repeat myself) can not allow this message to spread. Only the State can keep us safe.

[Bob]

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[zelmo1234]

It is funny that you never hear them bashing Soro's, he give about 3 times the money that the Koch family does, but that apparently is good money?

I don't know how you tell the difference

[Chris]

It is funny that you never hear them bashing Soro's, he give about 3 times the money that the Koch family does, but that apparently is good money?

I don't know how you tell the difference


Apparently you have to be a partisan to see the difference.

Ad hom aside, what it amounts to for the left is attacking the notion of a free society.

[patrickt]

They are libertarians and believe in less government and more freedom.

Liberals and the media (but I repeat myself) can not allow this message to spread. Only the State can keep us safe.

That would make them the enemy of the left.

[Chris]

Where is one instance of Govt. attacking us in this Op-Ed ?

It's not government but the left. One instance, Robert Reich, avowed socialist, Slouching toward oligarchy (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/opinion/oped/bal-slouching-toward-oligarchy-commentary-20140401,0,965634.story):


America is not yet an oligarchy, but that's where Charles and David Koch and a few other billionaires are taking us.

Note that Reich doesn't attack the Koch's for what they stand for, a free society, but ad homs them with a straw man of the opposite, oligarchy.

Apparently Reich even misses his own spot on explanation:


...around a quarter century ago, as income and wealth began concentrating at the top, the Republican and Democratic parties started to morph into mechanisms for extracting money, mostly from wealthy people.

He even separates the Koch's from the politicians:


So far in the 2014 election cycle, Americans for Prosperity, the Koch brothers' political front group, has aired more than 17,000 broadcast TV commercials, compared with only 2,100 aired by Republican Party groups.

Americans for Prosperity has also been outspending top Democratic super PACs....

Yet he blindly ignores the parties to attack the Kochs blindly and misleadingly. Why? Reich wants the state to manage the economy, he favors state capitalism over free-market capitalism.

[exotix]

It's not government but the left. One instance, Robert Reich, avowed socialist, Slouching toward oligarchy (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/opinion/oped/bal-slouching-toward-oligarchy-commentary-20140401,0,965634.story):

Note that Reich doesn't attack the Koch's for what they stand for, a free society, but ad homs them with a straw man of the opposite, oligarchy.

Apparently Reich even misses his own spot on explanation:

He even separates the Koch's from the politicians:

Yet he blindly ignores the parties to attack the Kochs blindly and misleadingly. Why? Reich wants the state to manage the economy, he favors state capitalism over free-market capitalism.
Look how you blind lockstep with Koch Oligarchical *Liberty & Freedom* ... how is this *Liberty & Freedom* ?

[Chris]

Look how you blind lockstep with Koch Oligarchical *Liberty & Freedom* ... how is this *Liberty & Freedom* ?


You're the one mixing metaphors. Makes my head spin, it does. Answer: It's not.

[exotix]

You're the one mixing metaphors. Makes my head spin, it does. Answer: It's not.
Allow me to rephrase ... how is replacing 'collectivism' with 'imperialism' (of the 1%) ... *Liberty & Freedom* ?

[Chris]

Allow me to rephrase ... how is replacing 'collectivism' with 'imperialism' (of the 1%) ... *Liberty & Freedom* ?

Your question has nothing to do with the Kochs. Ask something meaningful for a change. And do try to write a proper sentence.

[exotix]

Your question has nothing to do with the Kochs. Ask something meaningful for a change. And do try to write a proper sentence.
Yes ?

What are the Kochs, conservatives and the tea party offering you ?

Free stuff like *Liberty & Freedom* ?


LOL.

[Chris]

Yes ?

What are the Kochs, conservatives and the tea party offering you ?

Free stuff like *Liberty & Freedom* ?


LOL.


Only a child considers freedom free. It's a responsibility.

[zelmo1234]

Only a child considers freedom free. It's a responsibility.

He is not looking for freedom, He wants no part of the effort that Freedom requires. He wants the state to take from those that are willing to put forth the effort and give it to him, so he does not have to feel bad by not putting forth the effort!

think about all of the things that liberals want shorter work week, more private time less responsibility and more free stuff. YES they are very much child like

[exotix]

Only a child considers freedom free. It's a responsibility.
He is not looking for freedom, He wants no part of the effort that Freedom requires. He wants the state to take from those that are willing to put forth the effort and give it to him, so he does not have to feel bad by not putting forth the effort!

think about all of the things that liberals want shorter work week, more private time less responsibility and more free stuff. YES they are very much child like
Let's face it ... the Kochs want to give you a piece of paper that says you now have liberty & freedom ... you just need to vote for Ted Cruz and the tea party.

LOL.

[Peter1469]

The left really is in a tizzy over the Koch Bros. :smiley:

[Chris]

Let's face it ... the Kochs want to give you a piece of paper that says you now have liberty & freedom ... you just need to vote for Ted Cruz and the tea party.

LOL.


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[patrickt]

It used to be the Scaife family they hated. Suddenly they hate Koch. I am fortunate to get the left wing propaganda and got the alert to smash the Koch family. You have to keep an eye on the enemy.

Liberals live, and kill, for hate.

[Green Arrow]

What about the Steyer Brothers?

[nathanbforrest45]

What are the Koch brothers doing that is different from George Soros and the entire Hollywood left?

[exotix]

What are the Koch brothers doing that is different from George Soros and the entire Hollywood left?
Well for one ... the Kochs want to take over the Hollywood Pr0n Industry ... http://i61.tinypic.com/34nlbmo.gif



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[Bob]

Look how you blind lockstep with Koch Oligarchical *Liberty & Freedom* ... how is this *Liberty & Freedom* ?

If Koch is that effective, that you pretend to be offended, that you slash and burn him, he is doing it all correctly.

He stands for the public. You stand for self interest.

[exotix]

If Koch is that effective, that you pretend to be offended, that you slash and burn him, he is doing it all correctly.

He stands for the public. You stand for self interest.
That's not what I asked ... I asked how the Kochs intend to *restore your Liberty & Freedom* ... I then furthered that the Kochs will hand you a piece of paper that you now have *Liberty & Freedom* once you elect their *investments* ...

Which is suspiciously what European Colonists did wherever they raised their flag ... and exactly what the U.S. did to Native Americans ... and you know what the Spanish did in California ...

Call it ... *free stuff*

LOL.

[Bob]

That's not what I asked ... I asked how the Kochs intend to *restore your Liberty & Freedom* ... I then furthered that the Kochs will hand you a piece of paper that you now have *Liberty & Freedom* once you elect their *investments* ...

Which is suspiciously what European Colonists did wherever they raised their flag ... and exactly what the U.S. did to Native Americans ... and you know what the Spanish did in California ...

Call it ... *free stuff*

LOL.

Good lord man.

Nobody told you I must play your game the same way you play it.

You spend FAR more TIME fretting over Koch than I do or have. Soros seems to be fine with you yet he and Koch have more in common than differences.

Both are willing to pour millions to further their ideology.

Koch happens to be in favor of freedom. When he spends millions, while I might talk, he backs up his words with effort.

Koch has to be a very thoughtful person to wage a war to preserve freedom. Soros would run this country as any communist would. I can't back him, yet you do.

Freedom is very elusive. People will spend much of their time working out ideas to remove or restrict our freedoms.

Income taxes is an example.

This is the daily job of congress in fact.

We don't see committee meetings to destroy laws. They create laws.

Funny thing about laws, the honest don't need them, the crooks ignore them.

[exotix]

Good lord man.

Nobody told you I must play your game the same way you play it.

You spend FAR more TIME fretting over Koch than I do or have. Soros seems to be fine with you yet he and Koch have more in common than differences.

Both are willing to pour millions to further their ideology.

Koch happens to be in favor of freedom. When he spends millions, while I might talk, he backs up his words with effort.

Koch has to be a very thoughtful person to wage a war to preserve freedom. Soros would run this country as any communist would. I can't back him, yet you do.

Freedom is very elusive. People will spend much of their time working out ideas to remove or restrict our freedoms.

Income taxes is an example.

This is the daily job of congress in fact.

We don't see committee meetings to destroy laws. They create laws.

Funny thing about laws, the honest don't need them, the crooks ignore them.
You're smarter than I thought ... so why didn't you just come out and say it ... the Kochs simply want zero-taxes for themselves ... this is why Ted Cruz is frightened ...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-drpEm7GpAo

[Chris]

Failing to bait with the Kochs, exo strikes out with Cruz bait. Anyone biting?

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[Bob]

You're smarter than I thought ... so why didn't you just come out and say it ... the Kochs simply want zero-taxes for themselves ... this is why Ted Cruz is frightened ...

You are not getting me at my best. I believe that at the age of 75, doctors tell us that the brain cells are in decline. Trouble is, when I was very young, I paid almost no attention to politics. I voted, but that was it.

As I married and had family to support, that was more important than politics.

It was a period when I decided to use that high IQ and dig into this thing we call politics that I was enlightened.

Grabbing the best books to study, I worked and worked on a political philosophy. I wanted one that worked for all conditions, not merely one or the other condition.

Then one has to pick the game plan for voting.

I had been a lifetime member of the Democrats. Voted only democrats for a very long time.

Something did not feel right.

Well, I don't vote for democrats now.

I used to hate people like Koch. But I also hated the Soros's of the world. My enemy had money.

There comes a time when you have to learn the truth. Fortunately I reached that point and wised up that it is not the Koch of the world who is my enemy, but it is those in DC who fight me all the time passing laws to remove freedom.

Notice how it works. Normally you have republicans crying out to dismantle something. Democrats want more and more laws passed. They never tire of laws.

How do you feel about the library in DC devoted to US law, having 2.65 million books?

How can you be free when there are 2.65 million books to run your life as laws?

[The Sage of Main Street]

Today

Where is one instance of Govt. attacking us in this Op-Ed ?

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702303978304579475860515021286


*I have devoted most of my life to understanding the principles that enable people to improve their lives.

my family, our company

own government.

That's why Americans have no choice
*

~ Charles Koch



(R-Kansas) Sen. Jerry Moran ... a Koch Brothers beneficiary .... 'a meshing faux-patriotic treacle, propaganda and self-pitying whining' ... to a nearly empty Senate Chambers ... LOL

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/04/03/1289398/-Sen-Moran-performs-ultimate-in-constituent-services-by-reading-Charles-Koch-s-op-ed-on-Senate-floor#

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The only thing that enabled them was Daddy's Money. They seem to have some talent, but that's the whole point. Heirheads steal jobs that would have gone to the talented, and without Daddy's Money, the Kochs' talent most probably would have been wasted. The movie 21 showed what miserable lives MIT students have, except those living off fat allowances as the Kochs did there.

[zelmo1234]

That's not what I asked ... I asked how the Kochs intend to *restore your Liberty & Freedom* ... I then furthered that the Kochs will hand you a piece of paper that you now have *Liberty & Freedom* once you elect their *investments* ...

Which is suspiciously what European Colonists did wherever they raised their flag ... and exactly what the U.S. did to Native Americans ... and you know what the Spanish did in California ...

Call it ... *free stuff*

LOL.

If there "Investments?" are elected and actually shrink the size and power of the government is greatly going to increase your liberty and freedom!

So it would be great if their investments get elected.

Now Soro's on the other hand. His investments he pays 3 times as much for them and if they are elected then you lose freedom and liberty!

And which one do you blindly support again? I forget?

[The Sage of Main Street]

Depends ... the Dems have found a campaign platform in shredding the Kochs ... this is why Charles Koch needed to write this Op-Ed ... at Harry Reid ...

Senator Moran proves that Kansans are right about evolution. In the U.S. Senate at least, dinosaurs do live at the same time as human beings!

[exotix]

You are not getting me at my best. I believe that at the age of 75, doctors tell us that the brain cells are in decline. Trouble is, when I was very young, I paid almost no attention to politics. I voted, but that was it.

As I married and had family to support, that was more important than politics.

It was a period when I decided to use that high IQ and dig into this thing we call politics that I was enlightened.

Grabbing the best books to study, I worked and worked on a political philosophy. I wanted one that worked for all conditions, not merely one or the other condition.

Then one has to pick the game plan for voting.

I had been a lifetime member of the Democrats. Voted only democrats for a very long time.

Something did not feel right.

Well, I don't vote for democrats now.

I used to hate people like Koch. But I also hated the Soros's of the world. My enemy had money.

There comes a time when you have to learn the truth. Fortunately I reached that point and wised up that it is not the Koch of the world who is my enemy, but it is those in DC who fight me all the time passing laws to remove freedom.

Notice how it works. Normally you have republicans crying out to dismantle something. Democrats want more and more laws passed. They never tire of laws.

How do you feel about the library in DC devoted to US law, having 2.65 million books?

How can you be free when there are 2.65 million books to run your life as laws?
Who was it that said *Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose* ?

Some California Hippy I think.

[Peter1469]

Janis Joplin. ^^^

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXV_QjenbDw

[zelmo1234]

You're smarter than I thought ... so why didn't you just come out and say it ... the Kochs simply want zero-taxes for themselves ... this is why Ted Cruz is frightened ...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-drpEm7GpAo

And of course you would have proof of them saying that????

Or is it just possible that they do not want the USA to have highest corporate tax rate in the world, so people will be able to manufacture things here in the USA and still be able to compete!

Now of curse this might require people such as yourself to actually work for a living, so this is not real popular with liberals that feel entitled to what other people earn!

[zelmo1234]

The only thing that enabled them was Daddy's Money. They seem to have some talent, but that's the whole point. Heirheads steal jobs that would have gone to the talented, and without Daddy's Money, the Kochs' talent most probably would have been wasted. The movie 21 showed what miserable lives MIT students have, except those living off fat allowances as the Kochs did there.

Here is a little clue for you? The talented are still making money. that is why almost 8-% of all millionaires are first generation?

Now the lazy, such as yourself, they have a real trouble with those that are willing to work! And they tend to favor the government taking money from those that do work and giving it to them so they don't have to face the fact that they are really not worth the air they consume

[zelmo1234]

Janis Joplin. ^^^

Yep and I believe that Freedom was good enough for her and bobby Magee!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXV_QjenbDw

[Chris]

No wonder activists hate the Koch brothers so much (http://www.adamsmith.org/blog/politics-government/no-wonder-activists-hate-the-koch-brothers-so-much)


...But, but, if a rich guy is fighting for there not to be privileges granted by govenment then what are we all gonna do? Hundreds of thousands of jobs as well paid activists, demonstrators, organisers of petitions, demanders of special privileges, all will disappear! For the entire foundation of all of this social justice stuff is that the rich are using government to screw the working stiff. If anyone actually catches on to the idea that it's people buying privilege from said government that is the problem then where go our careers in campaigning for privilege for our guys from government?

No wonder the activists actually hate the Koch brothers. They're not playing that part assigned to them in the great political kabuki play and by refusing to do so they're putting those lovely careers "influencing " DC at risk.

[Mainecoons]

However, it is OK for Soros to spend millions trying to legalize dope in the U.S. And also spending millions on dopes like Obama.

Let us know when some of us understand this deal cuts both ways.

[Mainecoons]

Let us know when the libs start complaining about George Soros and the millions he is spending on getting dope legalized and getting dopes like Obama elected.

I won't hold my breath.

[Bob]

Allow me to rephrase ... how is replacing 'collectivism' with 'imperialism' (of the 1%) ... *Liberty & Freedom* ?

Why is it that Democrats in Government are so damned wealthy? Then they complain the most about wealth.

[Bob]

Who was it that said *Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose* ?

Some California Hippy I think.

That quote is unknown to me. But if you study the world, freedom is huge. Today on PBS was a report on women in Afghanistan who marry a person they love only to suffer beatings and married off to a person they don't like.

America is better than that, but even you must know stories here in this country where you wish people had more freedom.

[Chris]

Is Atlas Shrugging? Koch Warning on Collectivism Echoes Slow Jobs Growth (http://www.nysun.com/national/is-atlas-shrugging-brkoch-warning-on-collectivism/88655/)


...In his piece, Mr. Koch seems to make a plea for a big dose of free-market capitalism. He argues, “The central belief and fatal conceit of the current administration is that you are incapable of running your own life, but those in power are capable of running it for you. This is the essence of big government and collectivism.”

Charles Koch and his brother David have been vilified by the left for fighting hard to get political candidates with free-market points of view elected....

Charles Koch’s op-ed reveals a consistency of thought. He writes, “I have spent decades opposing cronyism and all political favors, including mandates, subsidies and protective tariffs — even when we benefit from them. I believe that cronyism is nothing more than welfare for the rich and powerful, and should be abolished.”

Koch concludes that the current batch of administration policies “destroys value, raises costs, hinders innovation and relegates millions of citizens to a life of poverty, dependency and hopelessness.”

...

Think of Obamacare as the ultimate central-planning, collectivist, big-government approach. The government is mandating what health-care insurance to buy, and taxing you if you don’t buy it. You may lose your favorite doctor or hospital or insurance plan, all while job hiring and work effort are undermined. These intellectual eggheads tell you what you can and cannot do, and where you can and cannot do it. And they prescribe a multi-trillion-dollar government expansion of spending and taxing while they’re at it.

The good news here is that Obamacare is incredibly unpopular. The bad news is that it’s going to be incredibly difficult to rewrite or replace this law.

But Mr. Koch’s big fear is that collectivism can’t and won’t stop with Obamacare. He has a point. The Obama machine continues to roll out poverty-trap incentives, paying people not to work. Obama’s EPA is aiming to obliterate the entire coal industry and all the blue-collar workers in it. The president can’t even give the okay to the Keystone pipeline, which is favored by all but the far-Left environmental radicals.

Obama’s National Labor Relations Board now wants to unionize college football players. Our corporate tax rates are the highest in the world. And the entire IRS tax system is so corrupt and complex, it has become a major hindrance to growth. I could go on and on.

So why is it surprising that the economic recovery is happening at only half the rate of a normal expansion?...

...

So with the economy only crawling toward recovery, the solution is not character assassination or more government collectivism. Mr. Charles Koch has it exactly right: We need more liberty and freedom to restore American values and economic prosperity. Politicians and regulators can’t do it. Only hard-working and innovative people can.

...

[Peter1469]

If it isn't big government, the left vilifies it. That is what they do.

[Chris]

Who was it that said *Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose* ?

Some California Hippy I think.


Janis Joplin. ^^^

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXV_QjenbDw


Written by Kris Kristofferson and Fred Foster, first recorded by Roger Miller, made famous by Janis Joplin.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxI84HXXoQs

[Peter1469]

Janis was certainly something for her day.