Gunman kills 4 outside Jewish school in France

[Mister D]

A motorcycle gunman opened fire Monday in front of a Jewish school in the French city of Toulouse, killing a rabbi, his two small sons and one other child, the prosecutor's office said.It was at least the third deadly motorcycle shooting in France in a week, shocking the country and prompting strong emotions and high-level discussions in Israel. French prosecutors were studying possible terrorist links, but the motive for Monday's attack was unclear.
Concerns about a serial killer emerged, as investigators examined whether Monday's shooting was linked to two deadly shooting attacks in the Toulouse region last week that killed three French paratroopers and left another seriously injured. French media reported those paratroopers were of Arab origin..

http://news.yahoo.com/gunman-kills-4-outside-jewish-school-france-101331556.html

[Mister D]

Something may be brewing.

[Conley]

Thanks for the update. What a weird case. I guess now it sounds more like a psychotic serial killer than a calculated terrorist act, if the person is going after French of Arab descent, Jews and children...awful.

[Mister D]

I'll keep an eye on this. I want to see how this turns out.

[MMC]

Someone going after Arabs and Jews? :undecided:

[Mister D]

Someone going after Arabs and Jews? :undecided:

Arabs serving the French government and Jews. If this had been a random attack on immigrants I'd suspect a right wing group but, IMO, something else is at play. Of course I could be wrong...

[MMC]

Arabs serving the French government and Jews. If this had been a random attack on immigrants I'd suspect a right wing group but, IMO, something else is at play. Of course I could be wrong...

I Do Say Ole Boy.....you think the killer( :teapot: Tea Leaves, Earl Grey?) would have left any clues, Holmes? :detective: :laugh:

[Mister D]

I Do Say Ole Boy.....you think the killer( :teapot: Tea Leaves, Earl Grey?) would have left any clues, Holmes? :detective: :laugh:

:grin: They may have a few leads. Not sure.

[MMC]

:grin: They may have a few leads. Not sure.

:point:

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:laugh:

[Mister D]

:point:

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:laugh:

But Clouseau always solves the case! :wink:

[MMC]

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[Mister D]

Great cartoon.

Curious to see who they might suspect.

[MMC]

Probably some wacked job like that guy in Norway.

[Mister D]

Probably some wacked job like that guy in Norway.

I'd suspect the same if they weren't Arab soliders. I think that might signify something else.

[Peter1469]

It is something to watch.

[Mister D]

The Mayor of Toulouse mentioned right wingers but that's no surprise I guess after Oslo.

[MMC]

TOULOUSE, France (AP) — A gunman who killed four people at a French Jewish school may have filmed the attack, the interior minister said Tuesday, as hundreds of police combed southern France for the killer, suspected in three other deaths.

Interior Minister Claude Gueant said the attacker was "wearing around his neck an apparatus" that could be used to film and post video online. He said that gave investigators new clues to the killer's "profile," though he admitted that they don't appear to close to an arrest.

Gueant described the suspect as "someone very cold, very determined, very much a master of his movements, and by consequence, very cruel."

In all three killings, the assailant fled on a motorbike.....snip~

http://news.yahoo.com/french-school-killer-may-filmed-shootings-082105889.html
Associated Press – 3 hrs ago<<<<< More here!

Hundreds of the Surete are out in force. :wink:

[Mister D]

I have a feeling these weren't "racist" attacks.


Gueant described the suspect as "someone very cold, very determined, very much a master of his movements, and by consequence, very cruel."

These were fairly random attacks. :rollseyes: Thsi isn't criminal master mind stuff.

[MMC]

I have a feeling these weren't "racist" attacks.



These were fairly random attacks. :rollseyes: Thsi isn't criminal master mind stuff.

A Master of Movements??? :wtf20: I do say Inspector, do you think it could be one of those Break-Dancing Terrorists? :detective:

[Conley]

Yeah, what does that mean? It does seem like it'd be hard to shoot accurately and film at the same time. How strange.

[Mister D]

Sounds to me like they are just trying to cover for themselves. They probably lack a lead in the case right now and instead of telling the truth (i.e. random crimes like that are very difficult to solve) they paint the guy as a master mind who covers his tracks well.

[Conley]

Sounds to me like they are just trying to cover for themselves. They probably lack a lead in the case right now and instead of telling the truth (i.e. random crimes like that are very difficult to solve) they paint the guy as a master mind who covers his tracks well.

Excellent point. No doubt there's at least some truth to that. Someone should have gotten some identifying info on the motorcycle. Track the plates, something...

[MMC]

Thats right.....gets some CSI action going out there. Bikes leave tracks. If this was in America we would already know what type of bike, tires-make and model and size. What gas stations were around for a bike of that type to refuel and still be with the bikes mileage range. Plus there would be a description of what the rider was wearing.

[MMC]

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Course if it is this guy.....their screwed! :laugh:

[MMC]

Elite French counter-terrorism police were closing in Wednesday to arrest a possible suspect in the murder this week of three children and a teacher at a Jewish school in the southwestern city of Toulouse, France.
The suspect in the attacks was described as 24 years old, of French descent from Toulouse with an Algerian mother, who had trained in camps on the Afghanistan-Pakistan border and proclaimed ties al-Qaida-linked jihadi groups. The other suspect was described as his brother.
"Two French police officers were injured in a shootout during a raid on a house in Toulouse on Wednesday to arrest suspects in the killings," MSNBC reported (http://worldnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/03/21/10784684-french-police-raid-house-for-suspects-in-jewish-school-attack-officers-injured). The raid was still ongoing at a house in the north of the city, the report said.

"The suspect is thought to be a 24-year-old man who had previously travelled to the lawless border area between Pakistan and Afghanistan which is known to house al Qaeda safehouses," a French police official told Agence France Press, (http://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/Europe/French-police-corner-al-Qaeda-suspect-after-shootings/Article1-828562.aspx) adding that "a source close to the inquiry told AFP a 24-year-old suspect had exchanged words with the RAID team and had declared himself to be a member of al Qaeda, the armed Islamist group founded by late Saudi extremist Osama bin Laden."

The chief suspect is reported to have cited the death of Palestinian children as the reason for the attacks, and to have targeted the French troops of (like himself) north African descent because he considered them traitors. Some reports say he previously served as a French soldier in Afghanistan. Police reportedly tracked him based on recent emails trying to sell his motorbike.

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/envoy/french-police-close-suspects-toulouse-killings-055423403.html
The Envoy (http://thepoliticalforums.com/blogs/envoy/) – 1 hr 43 mins ago<<<<< More here!

Looks Like they have the suspect trapped and cornered.

[Conley]

Al Queda eh? One good thing about our forces here in this country is that they don't say they have the suspect cornered...they wait until he is in cuffs to comment.

Also what a genius trying to sell the same motorbike he used as his vehicle. Thank goodness most criminals and psychos are complete morons.

[MMC]

D.....Da Inspector will be happy this case is being solved.

[Mister D]

D.....Da Inspector will be happy this case is being solved.

D nailed this one! :shocked: I suspected this guy was neither right wing nor white (i.e. French). Apparently, he wounded 3 cops already.

[MMC]

lol.....Thought ya might like to see the update. When I had put it up he had wounded two. But he wasnt going anywheres. Plus the piece said the French Police brought in the guys mother, to get him to surrender.

[Mister D]

Well they caught up with this guy pretty fast. I'm curious as to what led to him.

[MMC]

I think it was the motorcycle and something about his brother was using it too.

[Mister D]

I think it was the motorcycle and something about his brother was using it too.

Makes sense. Hey, that bike lookks familiar!

[MMC]

Makes sense. Hey, that bike lookks familiar!

Yeah that was pretty stupid. Still he did this as he felt they were traitors. I don't see how he got this with the kids.

[Mister D]

Yeah that was pretty stupid. Still he did this as he felt they were traitors. I don't see how he got this with the kids.

I suspected that was the motive right away. It didn't make sense that a right wing guy would target military troops. I thought that was highly unlikely. Of course all the dip shits spoke of possible neo-Nazi connections. Never waste a tragedy.

[MMC]

I suspected that was the motive right away. It didn't make sense that a right wing guy would target military troops. I thought that was highly unlikely. Of course all the dip shits spoke of possible neo-Nazi connections. Never waste a tragedy.

:detective: I do say Ole boy.....what clue was that to lead you to such an observation. Indububbably Holmes, once again you were on the right track from the start. :clock: :wink:

[Mister D]

:detective: I do say Ole boy.....what clue was that to lead you to such an observation. Indububbably Holmes, once again you were on the right track from the start. :clock: :wink:

:grin: Seriously, I just couldn't imagine a right wing nationalist attacking military troops like that. Like i said, if these had been random attacks on migrants it would have been different.

[MMC]

They did catch on fast to them from when you first put up the piece. Sadly Military personell will have to stay on alert even when being home.

[Mister D]

Better safe than sorry, right?

[MMC]

Better safe than sorry, right?

Absolutely, to be aware.....is to be alive! :wink:

[Mister D]

Since the guy has possible AQ links it's all the more reason to stay on alert for a bit.

[Peter1469]

It looks like the guy busted out of a prison in Afghanistan.

[Mister D]

It looks like the guy busted out of a prison in Afghanistan.

I wonder if he entered France legally?

[Peter1469]

Drudge has a link to an article but it is not working right now.

[Conley]

It looks like the guy busted out of a prison in Afghanistan.

Wow. That's wild.

[MMC]

Anything else come up with the Drudge?

[Mister D]

The killer was not a "Frenchman" and what Sarkozy suggests is pretty scary.

French President Nicolas Sarkozy says an investigation is under way to see if the suspect in a series of radical Islam-inspired killings had any accomplices.Sarkozy also said that anyone who regularly visits "websites which support terrorism or call for hate or violence will be punished by the law." He promised a crackdown on anyone who goes abroad "for the purposes of indoctrination in terrorist ideology."
He spoke soon after Mohamed Merah, a 23-year-old Frenchman, died after a 32-hour standoff with police in the southern city of Toulouse.

Continues

http://news.yahoo.com/police-islamic-gunman-dead-french-standoff-113237385.html

[Peter1469]

Looks like it is over. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2118052/Toulouse-shooting-First-picture-Al-Qaeda-fanatic-Mohammed-Merah-suspected-killing-7.html

It seem that this dude watched way too much TV.

The Toulouse terrorist burst out of his flat's bathroom 'shooting insanely' with a cache of weapons at police before leaping to his death from a window.

In scenes reminiscent of a Hollywood film, the 32-hour siege at the Al Qaeda terrorist's Toulouse home ended after the vicious gunfight - injuring two officers, one who is in a serious condition.



Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2118052/Toulouse-shooting-First-picture-Al-Qaeda-fanatic-Mohammed-Merah-suspected-killing-7.html#ixzz1pqjHGNKs

[Peter1469]

Sorry, I just updated the old thread.

[Mister D]

I guess it really isn't that hard to get your hands on firearms in France if you are willing to break the law. Once again, this shows that only criminals (a terrorist in this case) will be armed.

[Mister D]

No biggie.

[Mister D]

Cool. The merge feature works.

[Peter1469]

You can get guns anywhere if you are willing to break the law. And material to make explosives.

[MMC]

Or one can make a weapon. Zip guns are common in prisons.

[Mister D]

So there is no reason to deny firearms to law abiding citizens.

[Mister D]

Looks like they shuld have been wary of this guy.

A senior US official has confirmed to ABC News that Mohamed Merah (http://thepoliticalforums.com/Blotter/toulouse-murders-manhunt-shooter-killed-rabbi-children/story?id=15961628), the 23-year-old suspect in three French terror attacks, was on the FBI's "no-fly" list, and said that French authorities would be aware that the US had placed Merah on the list as a terror risk.
Just hours after a special forces raid in which Merah died, France's foreign minister said there were legitimate questions about how Merah was able to launch three attacks in which seven people died even though Merah had been on law enforcement's radar ever since a late 2011 trip to Pakistan.

http://news.yahoo.com/french-school-shooter-us-no-fly-list-195740948--abc-news.html

[Conley]

It seems that is often the case both in the US and abroad. The criminal is on a watch list but somehow through incompetency or whatever is able to avoid detection until after committing some atrocity. We had an article recently about how in the US still isn't enforcing visa for example. It does little good to put these guys on lists if the governments are not going to use them.

[Mister D]

The international cooperation seems to be there. They knew we flagged him so this is an internal problem. Not that it's unique to France as you point out.

[Conley]

The international cooperation seems to be there. They knew we flagged him so this is an internal problem. Not that it's unique to France as you point out.

They knew we flagged him or do we just have one of our guys saying they should have known we flagged him? I can see how France would ignore our watchlists. Some of it is no doubt just the price of massive government and the bureaucracy, but considering protection of its citizens is one of the real duties of the federal government, it would be nice to see an improvement in this area.

[Mister D]

A 2011 trip to Pakistan should have set off alarm bells. He's not even from there.

[Mister D]

I would think that anyone on our no fly list would be reported to his country of origin or residence.