Are you right?

[Cthulhu]

...or are you wrong?

Good delivery on the topic. Something we could all use a little reflection on. And it's also a homework assignment. Blarg.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QleRgTBMX88

[Peter1469]

college course?

[GrassrootsConservative]

Right. Nearly all the time.

[Peter1469]

Very interesting video.

[Chris]

@ the 8:02 mark: "Getting something wrong means there's something wrong with us."

See that all the time, you're wrong so there must be something wrong with you.

BS.

Her point is of course that that's wrong.


Being wrong is how we learn.

[Perianne]

Excellent video.

[Cthulhu]

college course?

Yep. Kind of a lame one actually. Ideal for those who are 18 ish years old and don't know much about the world. But when you argue online with people for leisure, you more or less walk away with about the sum total of what the course has to offer.

[Peter1469]

Yep. Kind of a lame one actually. Ideal for those who are 18 ish years old and don't know much about the world. But when you argue online with people for leisure, you more or less walk away with about the sum total of what the course has to offer.

I was better off with going into the army before college. And the professors appreciated it as well.

[Nemo]

Why waste time arguing? No one will listen. The philosopher Arthur Schopenhauer advised against engaging in argument, maintaining that no one was ever convinced of anything by it other than their own opinions, however wrongheaded. See Arthur Schopenhauer, APHORISMEN ZUR LEBENSWEISHEIT ("Counsels and Maxims"), Ch. III, Sec. 26 (1886). They cannot be contradicted for no amount of contrary evidence can prove them wrong. Their’s is the true way, the only way, notwithstanding the other way of the world. So why bother with such perverse people? It seems a fruitless venture. But then there’s always the nagging uncertainty that, somehow, they might be right after all.

[Bob]

@ the 8:02 mark: "Getting something wrong means there's something wrong with us."

See that all the time, you're wrong so there must be something wrong with you.

BS.

Her point is of course that that's wrong.


Being wrong is how we learn.

How the hell could she see the sign of a table and think it was in Chinese?

She seems to promote the idea she is wrong a lot.

I accept that at face value.

Just as I notice wrong posters, especially on politics.

We all could use the references available to us all.

Such as A time for Truth by William E. Simon http://www.amazon.com/Time-Truth-William-E-Simon/dp/0070573786/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1396906202&sr=1-1&keywords=a+time+for+truth

For those interested in the factual government, this one you won't put down until finished.

I advise we all review Thomas Paine's writings. Wisdom comes from studying.

Notice we do not call Children wise. We bestow wise on humans once they have studied a lot, a variety of things, to the point when they speak, we call them wise.

A good book series is by Will and Ariel Durant. If you want to know about socialism and believe the Soviets invented it, read Lessons of History. http://www.amazon.com/Lessons-History-Will-Durant/dp/143914995X

[Peter1469]

Why waste time arguing? No one will listen. The philosopher Arthur Schopenhauer advised against engaging in argument, maintaining that no one was ever convinced of anything by it other than their own opinions, however wrongheaded. See Arthur Schopenhauer, APHORISMEN ZUR LEBENSWEISHEIT ("Counsels and Maxims"), Ch. III, Sec. 26 (1886). They cannot be contradicted for no amount of contrary evidence can prove them wrong. Their’s is the true way, the only way, notwithstanding the other way of the world. So why bother with such perverse people? It seems a fruitless venture. But then there’s always the nagging uncertainty that, somehow, they might be right after all.

Some people actually listen and react. Others not so much. They will hold to their beliefs until the sun explodes.

[Bob]

Why waste time arguing? No one will listen. The philosopher Arthur Schopenhauer advised against engaging in argument, maintaining that no one was ever convinced of anything by it other than their own opinions, however wrongheaded. See Arthur Schopenhauer, APHORISMEN ZUR LEBENSWEISHEIT ("Counsels and Maxims"), Ch. III, Sec. 26 (1886). They cannot be contradicted for no amount of contrary evidence can prove them wrong. Their’s is the true way, the only way, notwithstanding the other way of the world. So why bother with such perverse people? It seems a fruitless venture. But then there’s always the nagging uncertainty that, somehow, they might be right after all.

Ask yourself this.

Have you believed a thing to be true, argued for that truth and only then changed your mind and argued for the new truth?

I did that on politics.

I spent decades arguing that democrats are telling the truth.

I had a shocking event that changed me. Changed my mind. And now I argue correctly. That they own up to very bad policies and seem to enjoy advocating them.

Climate change comes to mind.

Worse than that, they argue for a poor system of government. Ergo we have the ACA.

[Bob]

I used to be wrong a lot. I voted for Kennedy, Johnson, Carter as well as other democrats.

[Bob]

I was better off with going into the army before college. And the professors appreciated it as well.

I did my best to avoid the draft. And though I went to college early on, i did not remain in college. I never had a deferment. So how did I get drafted by age 23? I don't know. They simply did not get to me. Maybe it was my last name being almost at the end of the alphabet. I feel by that age, having been in the California Cadet Corps for 2 years, that I believe mirrors ROTC, by the time of my draft, I was mature. At least on the way.

The CO appointed me as a platoon SGT. The guys I was in charge of daily were younger than I was. When I got out of the Army, as Peter says, the college professors must have appreciated it more. (I went from being an acting Sgt during Basic and AIT clear back to E-4 specialist in Germany.

I thank each and every taxpayer for the vacations I had on active duty around Germany and especially Berlin and Holland. God loves you for paying for my vacations. :smiley: (JK about God.)

[Bob]

Good Grief, I forgot to mention that the video is great. I plan to show it to others I mail to.

[Nemo]

You were wrong about climate change? Take a look at this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hC3VTgIPoGU
How do you argue with that? Global warming is a fact. It is happening, and at an accelerated rate. The ice is melting. The grim speed of the glacial retreat is there for all to see. It can no longer be denied. There is no point in arguing. The continued debate over the cause has all the absurdity of arguing over shuffleboard scores on a sinking Titanic. We are past the tipping point in the natural balance; and there is nothing that can be done to counteract the colossal elemental forces now set in motion - it is unstoppable. All that can be done at this late date is to deal with the inevitable consequences that are predictable, if not calculable to a mathematical certainty. It is only a matter of time.

[Peter1469]

You were wrong about climate change? Take a look at this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hC3VTgIPoGU
How do you argue with that? Global warming is a fact. It is happening, and at an accelerated rate. The ice is melting. The grim speed of the glacial retreat is there for all to see. It can no longer be denied. There is no point in arguing. The continued debate over the cause has all the absurdity of arguing over shuffleboard scores on a sinking Titanic. We are past the tipping point in the natural balance; and there is nothing that can be done to counteract the colossal elemental forces now set in motion - it is unstoppable. All that can be done at this late date is to deal with the inevitable consequences that are predictable, if not calculable to a mathematical certainty. It is only a matter of time.

If we weren't in global warming we would be in an ice age.

[Bob]

You were wrong about climate change? Take a look at this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hC3VTgIPoGU
How do you argue with that? Global warming is a fact. It is happening, and at an accelerated rate. The ice is melting. The grim speed of the glacial retreat is there for all to see. It can no longer be denied. There is no point in arguing. The continued debate over the cause has all the absurdity of arguing over shuffleboard scores on a sinking Titanic. We are past the tipping point in the natural balance; and there is nothing that can be done to counteract the colossal elemental forces now set in motion - it is unstoppable. All that can be done at this late date is to deal with the inevitable consequences that are predictable, if not calculable to a mathematical certainty. It is only a matter of time.

I ditto Peter's comments about we would be in an ice age.

If you fear ice melting, explain this crane?

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[Nemo]

No. Ironically, an ice age is one of the mediate consequences of global warming.

[Peter1469]

No. Ironically, an ice age is one of the mediate consequences of global warming.

Not another warmist.... :facepalm:

[Bob]

Thank god for Global warming.

Were it not for global warming

We could not visit an ice free NY City
We would not have Yosemite to visit and camp in
We could forget Yellowstone park since it would be asshole deep in ice

Forget the Great Lakes, you would not be aware of them

What pisses me off is this rush to blame man.

Folks, this is old hat to the earth. Earth has endured this before and will again. Long after you are gone, we will have more ice ages and warmings.

At one time, the Arctic was tropical. http://www.cbsnews.com/news/study-north-pole-once-was-tropical/

My belief is it is only being restored to how it used to be. The Antarctic has most of the global ice.

Stop bring afraid of warmth.

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Scientists have found something about the North Pole that could send a shiver down Santa's spine: It used to be downright balmy.

In fact, 55 million years ago the Arctic was once a lot like Miami, with an average temperature of 74 degrees, alligator ancestors and palm trees, scientists say.

That conclusion, based on first-of-their-kind core samples extracted from more than 1,000 feet below the Arctic Ocean floor, is contained in three studies published in Thursday's issue of the journal Nature.

Scientists say the findings are both a glimpse backward at a region heated by naturally produced greenhouse gases run amok and a sneak peek at what manmade global warming could do someday.

Scientists believe a simple fern may have been responsible for cooling things back down by sucking up massive amounts of the carbon dioxide responsible for the warming. But this natural solution to global warming wasn't exactly quick: It took about a million years.

The Earth went through an extended period of natural global warming, capped off by a supercharged spike of carbon dioxide that accelerated the greenhouse effect even more about 55 million years ago. Scientists already knew this "thermal event" happened, but figured that while the rest of the world got really hot, the polar regions were still comfortably cooler, maybe about 52 degrees on average.

But the new research from the multinational Arctic Coring Expedition found the polar average was closer to 74.

[Bob]

No. Ironically, an ice age is one of the mediate consequences of global warming.

Do you realize what you said.

Translated. Global warming is one of the mediate consequences of ice ages.

[patrickt]

Where I worked we had, for a few years, the annual Silver Bullet Award, from the old Lone Ranger, for the best mistake of the year. The first year people thought it was an insult but they quickly realized it was a real award. Then we got a new boss who didn't tolerate mistakes. The award died and so did any effort at innovation or even providing service.

[Peter1469]

I like that. The silver bullet award.


Where I worked we had, for a few years, the annual Silver Bullet Award, from the old Lone Ranger, for the best mistake of the year. The first year people thought it was an insult but they quickly realized it was a real award. Then we got a new boss who didn't tolerate mistakes. The award died and so did any effort at innovation or even providing service.

[Chris]

Where I worked we had, for a few years, the annual Silver Bullet Award, from the old Lone Ranger, for the best mistake of the year. The first year people thought it was an insult but they quickly realized it was a real award. Then we got a new boss who didn't tolerate mistakes. The award died and so did any effort at innovation or even providing service.


I work as a software developer and a lot of teams are like that, bugs are not tolerated and people shy away from admitting to their mistakes. The last team I worked on we instituted peer reviews, and people were slow and reluctant to peer each other's work, but I would get criticisms and go thank the person, and talk to him or her to learn something. In time everyone came around and realized the value of it.

[Bob]

When I managed another Brokers real estate office, the office paid cash bonus for being correct. I installed this system.

We refused to pay for mistakes.

This is how it worked.

Agent A committed to a sales volume of $100,000 per month. This was composed of listings that sold and homes said agent sold. A 50 percent sum for listings.

Worked this way

Sale not closed of a $40,000 home
Listing a $40,000 home = $20,000
Agent's listing sold of a $40,000 home

Credit for bonus = $100,000

Bonus was 1 percent. Bonus paid = $100

So, if the Agent sold and listed two times that sum, the payment remains at $100. He got paid for the correct part of his prediction and not on the entire sum

If he hit $99,999, he got nothing.

The payment was for being a very good judge of what you could accomplish.

What happened is it cut down on the BS artists who claimed they would hit say $300,000 when their ability was not for more than say $80,000

It was a management tool that I used to predict office production.

I based office advertising on it.

The agents wanted the bonus so it was in their self interest to try to be accurate.

I showed them how to use the system.

I told them to take notes of each client.

Make an accurate assessment if the client would buy or list a home that month.
Don't con yourself I told them all.

It was surprising how well it worked. We did not mind paying the bonus at that time.

I used this system during the Nixon admin and inflation was terrible.

First, I got them all to thinking about how hard they planned to work.
I got them to commit to goals.
I got them to achieve goals.

The income of the agents in the office were all well up and far higher than the broker had been able to get them to be, this despite his masters degree in business administration.

I know how to motivate people and he did not. He was a bean counter and became very wealthy.

I return to finish this post.

The outcome was that each month, I was able to count on 73 - 77 percent of the agents stated goals. I left after 6 months so did not know the figures for the 1 year period. When I left, I opened my own office.