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texan
04-10-2014, 01:16 PM
We should thank and appreciate the ones who made the civil rights bill happen. It is really odd to hear him talk about republicans like that....................The Democrats are the segregationists.

Peter1469
04-10-2014, 01:26 PM
Major dems filibustered the Civil Rights Act.

Mainecoons
04-10-2014, 01:30 PM
Ah but they found the faith. Don't you remember Lyndon's "Great" Society which he described as something that, "I'll have those niggers voting Democratic for the next 200 years."

It worked. :rofl:

Only problem is, the same Democrat descendants of the lovely Ms. Sanger have aborted so many of them that the Democrats have to recruit a new class of welfare slaves from the hispanics.

Peter1469
04-10-2014, 01:40 PM
Ah but they found the faith. Don't you remember Lyndon's "Great" Society which he described as something that, "I'll have those niggers voting Democratic for the next 200 years."

It worked. :rofl:

Only problem is, the same Democrat descendants of the lovely Ms. Sanger have aborted so many of them that the Democrats have to recruit a new class of welfare slaves from the hispanics.

If the dems were pro-life they would have 50 million more voters.

Ravi
04-10-2014, 01:42 PM
You read this stuff and know that conservatives really do believe that black people are stupid.

Peter1469
04-10-2014, 01:49 PM
You read this stuff and know that conservatives really do believe that black people are stupid.

Actually it is dems that believe that.

They think that blacks are too stupid to get a photo id, get a job, education, etc.

The Sage of Main Street
04-10-2014, 02:43 PM
We should thank and appreciate the ones who made the civil rights bill happen. It is really odd to hear him talk about republicans like that....................The Democrats are the segregationists.

You mean like the Republicans who started the People's Republic of China? Or do you mean the Republicans who started the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics?

Peter1469
04-10-2014, 04:43 PM
You mean like the Republicans who started the People's Republic of China? Or do you mean the Republicans who started the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics?

That is one wise dude. ^^^^ :wink:

The Sage of Main Street
04-11-2014, 11:28 AM
That is one wise dude. ^^^^ :wink:
That's what I was mocking when I accused Spectre of being a Commie because his username comes from the opening sentence of the Communist Manifesto. (The RWNJs would also accuse me of being a Commie for knowing those words).

Also, I mocked having PTSD by wanting to grease him. I was influenced in doing that by those who are trying to use it as an excuse to avoid military service. The Chickenhawks and Chickenhawklovers are claiming, "I'm willing to die for my country or I wouldn't talk so tough, but I'm not willing to come back with the wrong politics caused by PTSD."

Peter1469
04-11-2014, 11:53 AM
That's what I was mocking when I accused Spectre of being a Commie because his username comes from the opening sentence of the Communist Manifesto. (The RWNJs would also accuse me of being a Commie for knowing those words).

Also, I mocked having PTSD by wanting to grease him. I was influenced in doing that by those who are trying to use it as an excuse to avoid military service. The Chickenhawks and Chickenhawklovers are claiming, "I'm willing to die for my country or I wouldn't talk so tough, but I'm not willing to come back with the wrong politics caused by PTSD."

Yes of course.

Look thanks for your service and all that. But that goes only so far. For example see John McCain. :smiley:

BB-35
04-11-2014, 11:56 AM
That is one wise dude. ^^^^ :wink:

How about the double whammy THE GERMAN DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC

Mainecoons
04-11-2014, 03:23 PM
You read this stuff and know that conservatives really do believe that black people are stupid.

Are you black?

:rofl:

nic34
04-11-2014, 04:26 PM
Ah but they found the faith. Don't you remember Lyndon's "Great" Society which he described as something that, "I'll have those niggers voting Democratic for the next 200 years."


I've googled that, and can only find it on sites I don't trust. Do you have a good source for it?

After five pages of hits I didn't find any that weren't from right-wing blogs. Maybe it would be censored (using the N word) if published in a reputable source?

nic34
04-11-2014, 04:40 PM
We should thank and appreciate the ones who made the civil rights bill happen. It is really odd to hear him talk about republicans like that....................The Democrats are the segregationists.

Democrat "segregationists" like Thurmond and Helms became republicans or independents in the late 60's and 70's. After that, segregationist voters became republican. You for one, should know. :wink:

patrickt
04-11-2014, 05:36 PM
We should thank and appreciate the ones who made the civil rights bill happen. It is really odd to hear him talk about republicans like that....................The Democrats are the segregationists.

President Obama is not only unfamiliar with the U.S. Constitution but he's not familiar with U.S. History, either.

patrickt
04-11-2014, 05:40 PM
You read this stuff and know that conservatives really do believe that black people are stupid.

Ravi, does lying about it make you feel better? Have you lied so often you have really lost touch with reality? Just to help you out, Ravi:
The original House version:[19] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_Rights_Act_of_1964#cite_note-King-19)

Democratic Party: 152–96 (61–39%)
Republican Party: 138–34 (80–20%)
Cloture in the Senate:[20] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_Rights_Act_of_1964#cite_note-20)

Democratic Party: 44–23 (66–34%)
Republican Party: 27–6 (82–18%)
The Senate version:[19] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_Rights_Act_of_1964#cite_note-King-19)

Democratic Party: 46–21 (69–31%)
Republican Party: 27–6 (82–18%)
The Senate version, voted on by the House:[19] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_Rights_Act_of_1964#cite_note-King-19)

Democratic Party: 153–91 (63–37%)
Republican Party: 136–35 (80–20%)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_Rights_Act_of_1964

Okay, Ravi, which party had the most support for the Civil Rights Act of 1964? It's an easy question, Ravi, since you only have two to choose from.

Peter1469
04-11-2014, 08:07 PM
I've googled that, and can only find it on sites I don't trust. Do you have a good source for it?

After five pages of hits I didn't find any that weren't from right-wing blogs. Maybe it would be censored (using the N word) if published in a reputable source?

I believe it was caught on audio by the Canadian Free Press.

Bob
04-11-2014, 08:18 PM
If the dems were pro-life they would have 50 million more voters.

Actually, abortions have caused crime to fall among the blacks.

http://freakonomics.com/2005/05/15/abortion-and-crime-who-should-you-believe/

Use link for entire article

Two very vocal critics, Steve Sailer and John Lott, have been exerting a lot of energy lately trying to convince the world that the abortion reduces crime hypothesis is not correct. A number of readers have asked me to respond to these criticisms. First, let’s start by reviewing the basic facts that support the Donohue-Levitt hypothesis (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&ved=0CDUQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fpricetheory.uchicago.edu%2Flevitt %2FPapers%2FDonohueLevittTheImpactOfLegalized2001. pdf&ei=roD0UMqLOcbL0AGymYDgDQ&usg=AFQjCNEfFX4oPJiBZ7qeCfphscTehyyNQQ&sig2=f2AWNuJhIbLacdY7o8P88w&bvm=bv.1357700187,d.dmQ) that legalized abortion in the 1970s explains a substantial part of the crime decline in the 1990s:
1) Five states legalized abortion three years before Roe v. Wade. Crime started falling three years earlier in these states, with property crime (done by younger people) falling before violent crime.
2) After abortion was legalized, the availability of abortions differed dramatically across states. In some states like North Dakota and in parts of the deep South, it was virtually impossible to get an abortion even after Roe v. Wade. If one compares states that had high abortion rates in the mid 1970s to states that had low abortion rates in the mid 1970s, you see the following patterns with crime. For the period from 1973-1988, the two sets of states (high abortion states and low abortion states) have nearly identical crime patterns. Note, that this is a period before the generations exposed to legalized abortion are old enough to do much crime. So this is exactly what the Donohue-Levitt theory predicts. But from the period 1985-1997, when the post Roe cohort is reaching peak crime ages, the high abortion states see a decline in crime of 30% relative to the low abortion states. Our original data ended in 1997. If one updated the study, the results would be similar.)
3) All of the decline in crime from 1985-1997 experienced by high abortion states relative to low abortion states is concentrated among the age groups born after Roe v. Wade. For people born before abortion legalization, there is no difference in the crime patterns for high abortion and low abortion states, just as the Donohue-Levitt theory predicts.
4) When we compare arrest rates of people born in the same state, just before and just after abortion legalization, we once again see the identical pattern of lower arrest rates for those born after legalization than before.
5) The evidence from Canada, Australia, and Romania also support the hypothesis that abortion reduces crime.
6) Studies have shown a reduction in infanticide, teen age drug use, and teen age childbearing consistent with the theory that abortion will reduce other social ills similar to crime.
These six points all support the hypothesis. There is one fact that, without more careful analysis, argues against the Donohue-Levitt story:
7) The homicide rate of young males (especially young Black males) temporarily skyrocketed in the late 1980s, especially in urban centers like Los Angeles, New York City, and Washington, DC, before returning to regular levels soon thereafter. These young males who were hitting their peak crime years were born right around the time abortion was legalized.
If you look at the serious criticisms that have been leveled against the Donohue-Levitt hypothesis, virtually all of them revolve around this spike in homicide by young men in the late 1980s-early 1990s. (There are also some non-serious criticisms, which I will address below.) This is the point that Sailer is making, and also the point made far more rigorously by Ted Joyce in an article (http://islandia.law.yale.edu/donohue/Joyce%20(2004).pdf)published in the Journal of Human Resources.
So, a reasonable thing to ask yourself is: Was there anything else going on in the late 1980s that might be causing young Black males to be killing each other at alarming rates that might be swamping the impact of legalized abortion over a short time period? The obvious culprit you might think about is crack cocaine. Crack cocaine was hitting the inner cities at exactly this time, disproportionately affecting minorities, and the violence was heavily concentrated among young Black males such as the gang members we write about in Freakonomics. So to figure out whether this spike in young Black male homicides is evidence against legalized abortion reducing crime, or even evidence legalized abortion causes crime, one needs to control for the crack epidemic to find the answer. This is the argument that I have been making for years. First in the Slate exchange (http://slate.msn.com/id/33569/entry/33575/)with Steve Sailer back in 1999, then in the Donohue and Levitt response to Ted Joyce (http://islandia.law.yale.edu/donohue/Donohue%20and%20Levitt%20(2004).pdf), and now in a recent paper by Roland Fryer, Paul Heaton, me, and Kevin Murphy (http://post.economics.harvard.edu/faculty/fryer/papers/fryer_heaton_levitt_murphy.pdf).
The key points I mentioned in Slate five years ago in debating Sailer are reprinted below:
Your hypothesis that crack, not abortion, is the story, provides a testable alternative to our explanation of the facts. You argue:
The arrival of crack led to large increases in crime rates between 1985 and the early ’90s, particularly for inner-city African-American youths. The fall of the crack epidemic left many of the bad apples of this cohort dead, imprisoned, or scared straight. Consequently, not only did crime fall back to its original pre-crack level, but actually dropped even further in a “overshoot” effect.
States that had high abortion rates in the ’70s were hit harder by the crack epidemic, thus any link between falling crime in the ’90s and abortion rates in the ’70s is spurious. (use link please)

Refugee
04-11-2014, 08:23 PM
You mean like the Republicans who started the People's Republic of China? Or do you mean the Republicans who started the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics?

The word 'Republican' (political) doesn't have the same meaning that China or Russia used it for. They also used the word 'communist' to describe themselves, but were anything but. Laos uses the title of 'Democratic', but not in our sense of democracy. Words have different interpretations elsewhere.

Bob
04-11-2014, 08:32 PM
You read this stuff and know that conservatives really do believe that black people are stupid.

About 10 days back, a black veteran of Vietnam who stops off to chat with me and we discuss our Army days started to explain to me that the blacks got it wrong and should vote republican.

He knew that democrats fought against the civil rights act of 1964. He then informed me that Martin Luther King was a republican. I gently told him, yes, I am aware of that.

I suggest you all study the law carefully since you can read about the entire events in the records of the congress. They explain how the democrats fought like wildcats to prevent it's passage.

Bob
04-11-2014, 08:41 PM
The word 'Republican' (political) doesn't have the same meaning that China or Russia used it for. They also used the word 'communist' to describe themselves, but were anything but. Laos uses the title of 'Democratic', but not in our sense of democracy. Words have different interpretations elsewhere.

If only that sunk in. We have tried and tried to bring democrats around but they still try to mock the word republic.

Bob
04-11-2014, 08:48 PM
Ah but they found the faith. Don't you remember Lyndon's "Great" Society which he described as something that, "I'll have those niggers voting Democratic for the next 200 years."

It worked. :rofl:

Only problem is, the same Democrat descendants of the lovely Ms. Sanger have aborted so many of them that the Democrats have to recruit a new class of welfare slaves from the hispanics.

The Army sent me to the troubled south in 1962. I was at Ft. Benning, GA. I brought CA values to the fort so blacks were cool with me. But I did not realize how much control they had imposed on them by the Army. Few don't understand that while the whites were banned from outright open discrimination, so were the blacks. They were not allowed that bad habit either.

The closest I got to finding out if that area had signs was a time I rode in a car into Alabama to see a local drag race. I saw no signs. But it might be due to the Army base where the locals wanted the business from the army. I dunno.

Negros got pretty down and dirty in Germany since over there they could just do as they pleased.

Peter1469
04-11-2014, 09:19 PM
Democrats in the US are one of two types. One issue voters (abortion). Or just plain uneducated.


About 10 days back, a black veteran of Vietnam who stops off to chat with me and we discuss our Army days started to explain to me that the blacks got it wrong and should vote republican.

He knew that democrats fought against the civil rights act of 1964. He then informed me that Martin Luther King was a republican. I gently told him, yes, I am aware of that.

I suggest you all study the law carefully since you can read about the entire events in the records of the congress. They explain how the democrats fought like wildcats to prevent it's passage.

The Sage of Main Street
04-12-2014, 12:05 PM
thanks for your service and all that. But that goes only so far. For example see John McCain. :smiley:

Any time you disagree with McCain, you can always accuse him of having PTSD.

The Sage of Main Street
04-12-2014, 12:10 PM
How about the double whammy THE GERMAN DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC

That is a Contradiction In Terms, which Diploma Dumbos call an "oxymoron" because they are morons and don't know what oxymoron really means.

patrickt
04-12-2014, 12:22 PM
Bob, in all fairness, in the South in 1962, signs weren't needed. Everyone, black and white, knew. In 1958 I was talking with a black man who was moving back from the North. I said, "Really? I thought Chicago was the promised land. You can go to any restaurant you want."

"That's true. I can take my wife and son and walk into any restaurant and sit down. And sit. And sit. While everyone grins at me. I don't get a menu. The waiter doesn't hear me. Eventually my family has to walk out while people giggle. It's bad in the South but at least you know."

Also, CA values? Surely you're not saying that an absence of racism is a CA value? I was born and raised in the South and blacks were cool with me, too, but they weren't with some people in the South.

When you start a thread with, "Obama says...." keep in mind the man was forced to admit his autobiographies were fiction and he's lied consistently to the country. What hasn't he lied about?

Peter1469
04-12-2014, 01:44 PM
Any time you disagree with McCain, you can always accuse him of having PTSD.

I just say that he should retire.

texan
04-12-2014, 08:39 PM
Ex KKK guys in that party and they call republicans racist LOL.

Robert Byrd, I am sorry and I am a dem so its ok.