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Codename Section
04-12-2014, 03:28 PM
Interesting

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/ohio-regulators-link-seismic-activity-fracking

COLUMBUS, Ohio (AP) — Geologists in Ohio have for the first time linked earthquakes in a geologic formation deep under the Appalachians to hydraulic fracturing, leading the state to issue new permit conditions Friday in certain areas that are among the nation's strictest.
A state investigation of five small tremors last month in the Youngstown area, in the Appalachian foothills, found the injection of sand and water that accompanies hydraulic fracturing, or fracking, in the Utica Shale may have increased pressure on a small, unknown fault, said State Oil & Gas Chief Rick Simmers. He called the link "probable."
While earlier studies had linked earthquakes in the same region to deep-injection wells used for disposal of fracking wastewater, this marks the first time tremors in the region have been tied directly to fracking, Simmers said. The five seismic events in March couldn't be easily felt by people.
The oil and gas drilling boom targets widely different rock formations around the nation, so the Ohio findings may not have much relevance to other areas other than perhaps influencing public perception of fracking's safety. The types of quakes connected to the industry are generally small and not easily felt, but the idea of human activity causing the earth to shake often doesn't sit well.

Bob
04-12-2014, 03:35 PM
They ought to quit worrying. I would need to see far more data before blaming small quakes on that. But even if they are right to blame this on fracking, the quakes can't be felt. Nothing to worry about.

The Sage of Main Street
04-12-2014, 03:38 PM
Behind the puppet-show scenes on the media, the Big Oil cartel doesn't want too much production. That would cut into their ability to gouge us mercilessly.

Dr. Who
04-12-2014, 08:12 PM
They ought to quit worrying. I would need to see far more data before blaming small quakes on that. But even if they are right to blame this on fracking, the quakes can't be felt. Nothing to worry about.

Cancer can't always be seen or felt, but it is still something to worry about. We don't know what effects are being wrought on the planet by fracking.

Liberal Doses
04-13-2014, 02:08 AM
Cancer can't always be seen or felt, but it is still something to worry about. We don't know what effects are being wrought on the planet by fracking.

What about the unknowns of CO2 Sequestration? Drilling holes deep and pumping CO2 into a layer that is supposed to keep it trapped. Yeah, it will most likely percolate up into aquifers like farts in a hot tub upsetting the delicate balance there.

For God's sake these enviro-mental cases are not happy unless they have a crisis. Like peak oil. I peek at my oil on the dip stick. Dip stick, another name for enviro zealots.

Bob
04-13-2014, 04:08 AM
What about the unknowns of CO2 Sequestration? Drilling holes deep and pumping CO2 into a layer that is supposed to keep it trapped. Yeah, it will most likely percolate up into aquifers like farts in a hot tub upsetting the delicate balance there.

For God's sake these enviro-mental cases are not happy unless they have a crisis. Like peak oil. I peek at my oil on the dip stick. Dip stick, another name for enviro zealots.

you will get free carbonated water if that happens.

Bob
04-13-2014, 04:11 AM
Cancer can't always be seen or felt, but it is still something to worry about. We don't know what effects are being wrought on the planet by fracking.

That analogy is way off point.

Fracking is an old technology and has not produced any ill effects thus far. This is about micro small earthquakes of the type one can't feel. It is only detected by most sensitive instruments. As small as they are, they may just be natural and of no concern.

Peter1469
04-13-2014, 06:06 AM
Cancer can't always be seen or felt, but it is still something to worry about. We don't know what effects are being wrought on the planet by fracking.

I could see small quakes, but not much more that that. We are barely scratching the surface. The problem with fracking is that it is expensive to do it safely.

Alyosha
04-13-2014, 06:53 AM
That analogy is way off point.

Fracking is an old technology and has not produced any ill effects thus far. This is about micro small earthquakes of the type one can't feel. It is only detected by most sensitive instruments. As small as they are, they may just be natural and of no concern.

It hasn't?

Liberal Doses
04-15-2014, 08:31 PM
you will get free carbonated water if that happens.

OK, Einstein, after you tie your shoelaces, and get that whacky hair combed in place, tell me what effect will high levels of carbonation do to the delicate micro-organisms and other life forms which reside in the aquifer?

Bob
04-15-2014, 08:34 PM
http://thepoliticalforums.com/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by Bob http://thepoliticalforums.com/images/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://thepoliticalforums.com/showthread.php?p=574922#post574922)
you will get free carbonated water if that happens.


OK, Einstein, after you tie your shoelaces, and get that whacky hair combed in place, tell me what effect will high levels of carbonation do to the delicate micro-organisms and other life forms which reside in the aquifer?

Well, you are a level 1 rep and a level 1 power, so what makes you my boss?

But you presume to need those micro-organisms where I like pure water. Carbonated beverages are sold all over earth.

Do you know that petroleum is generated constantly in the earth?

Bob
04-15-2014, 08:37 PM
http://thepoliticalforums.com/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by Bob http://thepoliticalforums.com/images/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://thepoliticalforums.com/showthread.php?p=574923#post574923)
That analogy is way off point.

Fracking is an old technology and has not produced any ill effects thus far. This is about micro small earthquakes of the type one can't feel. It is only detected by most sensitive instruments. As small as they are, they may just be natural and of no concern.



It hasn't?

Why hello beautiful.

I really don't believe Fracking harms anything. It has long been used and if it harms, why hasn't anyone came up with proof given they have had many years to prove it.

Peter1469
04-15-2014, 08:38 PM
OK, Einstein, after you tie your shoelaces, and get that whacky hair combed in place, tell me what effect will high levels of carbonation do to the delicate micro-organisms and other life forms which reside in the aquifer?

I am going back to one of the politics threads. :smiley:

Bob
04-15-2014, 08:42 PM
I could see small quakes, but not much more that that. We are barely scratching the surface. The problem with fracking is that it is expensive to do it safely.

The quakes they mention are super tiny. They can't be felt by humans. Though I have experience with Bentonite, aka drillers mud as a supervisor over a Bart Job in San Francisco, I have not studied fracking. But given it is water and sand injected at high pressures, I can't see how it could amount to any danger.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydraulic_fracturing