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Mister D
07-27-2011, 11:54 AM
It's amazing how something this trivial and silly draws the attention of at least some Americans. Meanwhile, the country faces a fiscal crisis... ::)

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/bachmann-criticized-silence-suicides-her-district-154953090.html

An article in the liberal magazine Mother Jones criticizes Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-Minn) for her silence on a tragic string of nine suicides over the past two years in her district. The writer argues that Bachmann's refusal to support antibullying legislation in the state in 2006 and the agenda favored by some of her anti-gay allies in Minnesota may have contributed to a harmful environment. And that climate, Mother Jones reporter Stephanie Mencimer suggests, could have played a role in the teen deaths in the troubled Anoka-Hennepin school district where Bachmann herself had once attended high school.

Conley
07-27-2011, 12:05 PM
Shit like this makes me not even want to follow politics.

I get so fucking upset when I see this kind of bullshit. To try to connect those tragedies to politics and to an individual in particular is just beyond low. If I were the parent of one of these kids I don't know what I would do, but I would hope a jury of my peers would understand. Reprehensible.

Having said that, it makes sense that these soulless bullshitters would want to throw up a smokescreen so that people can't see the real problems in politics today -- and it's not that Bachmann isn't policing her old high school. If anything it is a credit to her that she didn't comment on tragedies she knew nothing about and didn't try to sap some political mileage from horrible events. Sorry to go off on a rage...I get emotional about this sort of thing obviously.

>:( >:( >:(

Mister D
07-27-2011, 12:12 PM
Shit like this makes me not even want to follow politics.

I get so fucking upset when I see this kind of bullshit. To try to connect those tragedies to politics and to an individual in particular is just beyond low. If I were the parent of one of these kids I don't know what I would do, but I would hope a jury of my peers would understand. Reprehensible.

Having said that, it makes sense that these soulless bullshitters would want to throw up a smokescreen so that people can't see the real problems in politics today -- and it's not that Bachmann isn't policing her old high school. If anything it is a credit to her that she didn't comment on tragedies she knew nothing about and didn't try to sap some political mileage from horrible events. Sorry to go off on a rage...I get emotional about this sort of thing obviously.

>:( >:( >:(


I don't blame you. It's outrageous on several levels as you describe.

Yeah, I can't even imagine how I would feel in that situation but, lke it or not, it's a matter for my fucking Congressman, my Senator or Governor for God's sake.

hellraiser
07-27-2011, 05:32 PM
some times the words from a community leader can mean alot. it would have been nice for her or her husband to at least try to help these suffering families.

Mister D
07-27-2011, 05:39 PM
some times the words from a community leader can mean alot. it would have been nice for her or her husband to at least try to help these suffering families.


Should she attend every funeral or wake in her district? Perhaps be available with tissues to comfort everyone who is sad? :'(

hellraiser
07-27-2011, 05:40 PM
some compassion would be nice not to much to ask

Mister D
07-27-2011, 05:42 PM
some compassion would be nice not to much to ask


It's not her job, dude. It is too much to ask and way too much to expect.

hellraiser
07-27-2011, 05:45 PM
i dont think anything is wrong with asking and expecting alot. they are supposed to be the best.

Mister D
07-27-2011, 05:48 PM
i dont think anything is wrong with asking and expecting alot. they are supposed to be the best.


The best of what? No, they are supposed to be working on finding real solutions to real problems. That doesn't include comforting a constituent who has had a loss. That's not her gig.

Why doesn't Obama call the parents? Doesn't he care!? :o

hellraiser
07-27-2011, 05:51 PM
suiciede is a real problem!

anyways how do you know obama didnt call?

Mister D
07-27-2011, 05:54 PM
suiciede is a real problem!

anyways how do you know obama didnt call?


It's not a political problem, hellraiser.

Did Obama call? :D I want evidence! If he didn;t call he's just as guilty as Bachmann! For shame! >:( >:( >:(

Conley
07-27-2011, 05:57 PM
some compassion would be nice not to much to ask


hellraiser 06:52:41 PM Smiting a member.

::)

Mister D
07-27-2011, 05:59 PM
some compassion would be nice not to much to ask


hellraiser 06:52:41 PM Smiting a member.

::)


I sent him a PM to let him know he can't do that twice in one hour. I guess he thinks I was the one who smote him. The second one is from me but that's only because you reap what you sow.

Conley
07-27-2011, 06:09 PM
;D I did as well.

MMC
07-27-2011, 06:16 PM
"What," Mother Jones.....
Me And Mrs. Jones - Billy Paul (1972) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teOM9y-dV7s#)

Let me tell you about.....Me and Mrs. Jones. >:D

Conley
07-27-2011, 06:50 PM
:o

Who is that?!?

MMC
07-27-2011, 07:44 PM
:o

Who is that?!?


Those are the Jones" Girls......I, myself wouldn't kick Catherine Zeta Jones out of my bed. I consider her a raven-haired beauty. ;)

wingrider
07-28-2011, 12:51 AM
carefull there MMC

isn't she marrried to Micheal Douglas?

Conley
07-28-2011, 09:04 AM
Nah I mean the gal in the freeze frame on the YouTube image.

It looks like she had a butt implanted where her chest should be? :D

Mister D
07-28-2011, 09:48 AM
Nah I mean the gal in the freeze frame on the YouTube image.

It looks like she had a butt implanted where her chest should be? :D


Sure does! :o

MMC
07-28-2011, 07:38 PM
carefull there MMC

isn't she marrried to Micheal Douglas?


:D yeah and..... >:D I wouldn't kick her out of his bed neither. ;)

MMC
07-28-2011, 07:42 PM
Nah I mean the gal in the freeze frame on the YouTube image.

It looks like she had a butt implanted where her chest should be? :D


The good news those ones look real.....the bad news, unfortunately they are not my pop-up blockers. >:D

Conley
07-28-2011, 07:44 PM
Nah I mean the gal in the freeze frame on the YouTube image.

It looks like she had a butt implanted where her chest should be? :D


The good news those ones look real.....the bad news, unfortunately they are not my pop-up blockers. >:D


:D

Tell me you did not just post about your "pop up"! I have heard older guys have trouble with that stuff, glad you are still kicking Nuff said!

MMC
07-28-2011, 09:07 PM
Nah I mean the gal in the freeze frame on the YouTube image.

It looks like she had a butt implanted where her chest should be? :D


The good news those ones look real.....the bad news, unfortunately they are not my pop-up blockers. >:D


:D

Tell me you did not just post about your "pop up"! I have heard older guys have trouble with that stuff, glad you are still kicking Nuff said!


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;D As far as I know. When I drop and roll my tongue across the floor to the other siide of the room she is on.....for some reason their eyes seem to open wide. :o >:D

wingrider
07-29-2011, 12:04 AM
reminds me of the story of this old boy went into a bar, he is sitting there drinking a beer when this really ugly guy came in, sat down and ordered a beer. the ugly guy sits there sipping onhis beer when this really georgous babe comes up to him whispers in his ear and they get up and leave .

the first guy turns to the bar tender and said " whats up with that that guy was ugly as a mud fence and he walks out with the prettiest girl in here.

the bartender says ' I can't figure it out either but everynight he comes in here orders a beer , slowly licks his eyebrows and beautiful women leave with him

Conley
07-29-2011, 08:40 AM
???

Maybe I need some more coffee but I don't get it?

He's good with his tongue?

:o :D

MMC
07-29-2011, 11:32 AM
???

Maybe I need some more coffee but I don't get it?

He's good with his tongue?

:o :D


http://ts3.mm.bing.net/images/thumbnail.aspx?q=1051864019670&id=723b2df0f9e590eafbea53052db5aab5&url=http%3a%2f%2fwww.voccoquan.com%2fimages2009%2f gene%2520simmons%2520from%2520Esquire.jpg
Here let me help you with that Mr Innocence..... >:D

http://ts1.mm.bing.net/images/thumbnail.aspx?q=1050854430816&id=0429b9be8003c08adf447c14395bf217&url=http%3a%2f%2ffranny032.files.wordpress.com%2f2 007%2f11%2fkiss-gene-simmons-c11751295.jpg%3fw%3d490

Just ask him..... :D

Conley
07-29-2011, 11:39 AM
:D >:D :D

spunkloaf
08-05-2011, 12:16 AM
From what I can understand, Bachmann hates gay people. She thinks heterosexuals are elite and deserve more happiness than homosexuals. Like most idiot homophobes she thinks homosexuals are here just to fuck with everybody, and she'll spend her political energy to make sure that does not happen.

That being said I'm glad she didn't say a single word to "comfort" families of people she doesn't give a shit about. That would make her a bigger flake than she already is. Smart move on her part. I don't understand what the problem is either. Silence is golden.

Mister D
08-05-2011, 08:05 AM
From what I can understand, Bachmann hates gay people. She thinks heterosexuals are elite and deserve more happiness than homosexuals. Like most idiot homophobes she thinks homosexuals are here just to fuck with everybody, and she'll spend her political energy to make sure that does not happen.

That being said I'm glad she didn't say a single word to "comfort" families of people she doesn't give a shit about. That would make her a bigger flake than she already is. Smart move on her part. I don't understand what the problem is either. Silence is golden.


Where do you get this stuff from? ???

spunkloaf
08-05-2011, 10:06 AM
From what I can understand, Bachmann hates gay people. She thinks heterosexuals are elite and deserve more happiness than homosexuals. Like most idiot homophobes she thinks homosexuals are here just to fuck with everybody, and she'll spend her political energy to make sure that does not happen.

That being said I'm glad she didn't say a single word to "comfort" families of people she doesn't give a shit about. That would make her a bigger flake than she already is. Smart move on her part. I don't understand what the problem is either. Silence is golden.


Where do you get this stuff from? ???


What do you mean? She thinks homosexuality is a disease, and that it's "part of Satan." People who are negatively affected by her words have every right to be pissed off.

Mister D
08-05-2011, 10:10 AM
From what I can understand, Bachmann hates gay people. She thinks heterosexuals are elite and deserve more happiness than homosexuals. Like most idiot homophobes she thinks homosexuals are here just to fuck with everybody, and she'll spend her political energy to make sure that does not happen.

That being said I'm glad she didn't say a single word to "comfort" families of people she doesn't give a shit about. That would make her a bigger flake than she already is. Smart move on her part. I don't understand what the problem is either. Silence is golden.


Where do you get this stuff from? ???


What do you mean? She thinks homosexuality is a disease, and that it's "part of Satan." People who are negatively affected by her words have every right to be pissed off.


I also think homosexuality is a psychosexual disorder of some kind. So what? Does that mean I hate gays? Do you have a citation for this "part of Satan" comment? Why would you be negatively affected by her words? How weak are you? :o

Secondly, the topic wasn't homosexuality. It was this ridiculous suggestion that comforting famililes is part of Bachmann's job.

spunkloaf
08-05-2011, 10:50 AM
Somebody with as much speaking power as she has should not be going around telling people what is best for them in their personal lives, nor rallying everybody else to tell those people what is best for them. She is trying to do good.....fine....but she's going about it the complete wrong way. "We need to have compassion for these people," yeah right. Keep saying that darling, people will eventually get the right message.

http://subterfugemag.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/anti-gay-hate-crime.jpg


http://www.issues.cc/uploads/Westboro-Baptist-Church-911-20110408-223218.jpg


http://www.insidesocal.com/outinhollywood/aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaphelps.jpg


http://www.mamamia.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/westboro_baptist-290x343.jpg


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http://rackjite.com/uploads/god_hates_fags1.jpg


http://www.opednews.com/populum/uploaded/runs-like-a-queer-22149-20090320-39.jpg


http://www.somebodythinkofthechildren.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/gay_rights_sticker.jpg


http://www.psychologytoday.com/files/u745/phelps-followers.jpg


http://www.independent.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00324/33worafrgetty_324952t.jpg


If Michelle Bachmann or any of these other fuckers want to make an impression on anybody, they would publicly denounce and scoff at all the hatred that is going around. Since she wants to demonstrate all this "compassion" for gay people. Fuck you, Bachmann.

Conley
08-05-2011, 10:55 AM
I really wish politicians would shut the hell about this stuff. It's of no importance politically speaking compared to things that affect our lives every day, things that we depend on the government for.

Those photos are disturbing, but I think they represent a very small percentage of the population. A few of them look like Westboro Baptist shots (the guys who demonstrate at soldiers' funerals) and thankfully they're just a tiny collection of nuts.

Mister D
08-05-2011, 10:57 AM
I see racial harmony in this picture but maybe I'm just an optimist.

http://www.psychologytoday.com/files/u745/phelps-followers.jpg

Mister D
08-05-2011, 10:58 AM
I really wish politicians would shut the hell about this stuff. It's of no importance politically speaking compared to things that affect our lives every day, things that we depend on the government for.

Those photos are disturbing, but I think they represent a very small percentage of the population. A few of them look like Westboro Baptist shots (the guys who demonstrate at soldiers' funerals) and thankfully they're just a tiny collection of nuts.


Agreed. They represent a very VERY small percentage of Americans. Aren't there only a handful of Westboro guys, for example, half of whom are blood relatives?

spunkloaf
08-05-2011, 11:04 AM
Face it. It's fun to hate.

That's why liberals get such a bad rap. That's why fags get such a bad rap. I really don't give a shit. Fuck everybody, I'm not going to return that hatred. I believe in something better. Whenever the rest of the world decides to pull its head out of its ass I'll be ready to forgive.

MMC
08-05-2011, 11:06 AM
http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e200/olovo/smilies/includeme.gif :-\

Conley
08-05-2011, 11:10 AM
Face it. It's fun to hate.

That's why liberals get such a bad rap. That's why fags get such a bad rap. I really don't give a shit. Fuck everybody, I'm not going to return that hatred. I believe in something better. Whenever the rest of the world decides to pull its head out of its ass I'll be ready to forgive.


A lot depends on where you live, urban v. rural. There are certainly some areas more tolerant than others...it's not everyone, it's not the whole world. It's just some ignorance. I'm not sure if we've moved on from Bachmann to the kinds of people who promote vandalism and violence against homosexuals but there's no way that's a large segment of society. There are dumb fuckers who do all kinds of crap like that, people who fuck up my car because of the sports team on bumper sticker.

D, yes Westboro is only like 20-30 people I think and at least half are blood. It's too bad they've gotten the pub that they have, without it they may well have just withered away.

spunkloaf
08-05-2011, 11:14 AM
Face it. It's fun to hate.

That's why liberals get such a bad rap. That's why fags get such a bad rap. I really don't give a shit. Fuck everybody, I'm not going to return that hatred. I believe in something better. Whenever the rest of the world decides to pull its head out of its ass I'll be ready to forgive.


A lot depends on where you live, urban v. rural. There are certainly some areas more tolerant than others...it's not everyone, it's not the whole world. It's just some ignorance. I'm not sure if we've moved on from Bachmann to the kinds of people who promote vandalism and violence against homosexuals but there's no way that's a large segment of society. There are dumb fuckers who do all kinds of crap like that, people who fuck up my car because of the sports team on bumper sticker.

D, yes Westboro is only like 20-30 people I think and at least half are blood. It's too bad they've gotten the pub that they have, without it they may well have just withered away.


You have a good point. I don't mean to say Bachmann actually endorses that kind of hatred. But she sure gets those kinds of people excited about voting for her because of her views, and she's completely unapologetic for it. That is something I have a problem with.

Conley
08-05-2011, 11:21 AM
Understood. I am sure you know a lot more about her than I do, living in Minnesota. I hadn't really heard much of her until recently, and I suppose if she really contends for the GOP nomination I'll learn a lot more about her.

spunkloaf
08-05-2011, 11:26 AM
Understood. I am sure you know a lot more about her than I do, living in Minnesota. I hadn't really heard much of her until recently, and I suppose if she really contends for the GOP nomination I'll learn a lot more about her.


I actually don't know much about her other than she's a republican bigot. As long as I can confirm that I don't feel a need to learn much else about anybody who is seeking power, the rest of her story usually falls in line with just about anything I can predict.

MMC
08-05-2011, 11:57 AM
Understood. I am sure you know a lot more about her than I do, living in Minnesota. I hadn't really heard much of her until recently, and I suppose if she really contends for the GOP nomination I'll learn a lot more about her.


I actually don't know much about her other than she's a republican bigot. As long as I can confirm that I don't feel a need to learn much else about anybody who is seeking power, the rest of her story usually falls in line with just about anything I can predict.


Well, there is Good-N-Pawlenty, Jesse the Body Ventura, and lets not forget the Windbag of Minnesota Ed Schultz who says he has all the answers. Yet can never get Elected. Although I do have to give it to Minnesota for producing that fine piece of art on the Weather Channel.

Heather Tesch.....I would definately like to mold that piece. :P >:D

spunkloaf
08-05-2011, 12:03 PM
Understood. I am sure you know a lot more about her than I do, living in Minnesota. I hadn't really heard much of her until recently, and I suppose if she really contends for the GOP nomination I'll learn a lot more about her.


I actually don't know much about her other than she's a republican bigot. As long as I can confirm that I don't feel a need to learn much else about anybody who is seeking power, the rest of her story usually falls in line with just about anything I can predict.


Well, there is Good-N-Pawlenty, Jesse the Body Ventura, and lets not forget the Windbag of Minnesota Ed Schultz who says he has all the answers. Yet can never get Elected. Although I do have to give it to Minnesota for producing that fine piece of art on the Weather Channel.

Heather Tesch.....I would definately like to mold that piece. :P >:D


Yeah we certainly have produced quite a few winners. And losers. I'm torn over Pawlenty. Pisses me off that he thinks he's a republican now.

Conley
08-05-2011, 12:16 PM
Good-N-Pawlenty

:D :D :D

Mister D
08-05-2011, 02:48 PM
Face it. It's fun to hate.

That's why liberals get such a bad rap. That's why fags get such a bad rap. I really don't give a shit. Fuck everybody, I'm not going to return that hatred. I believe in something better. Whenever the rest of the world decides to pull its head out of its ass I'll be ready to forgive.


A lot depends on where you live, urban v. rural. There are certainly some areas more tolerant than others...it's not everyone, it's not the whole world. It's just some ignorance. I'm not sure if we've moved on from Bachmann to the kinds of people who promote vandalism and violence against homosexuals but there's no way that's a large segment of society. There are dumb fuckers who do all kinds of crap like that, people who fuck up my car because of the sports team on bumper sticker.

D, yes Westboro is only like 20-30 people I think and at least half are blood. It's too bad they've gotten the pub that they have, without it they may well have just withered away.


You have a good point. I don't mean to say Bachmann actually endorses that kind of hatred. But she sure gets those kinds of people excited about voting for her because of her views, and she's completely unapologetic for it. That is something I have a problem with.


Who are those kind of people? I think gay marriage is absolutely ridiculous and I don't think homosexuality is is biologically normal. Is anyone who holds those views a bigot? Secondly, Bachmann should have to be apologetic.

Conley
08-05-2011, 02:54 PM
It is too bad there are extremists on both sides of the gay marriage issue...while I can understand the sentiment on both sides, no one can convince me that this is one of the most pressing issues in our society today. It serves as a distraction from the larger issues. Even those who claim that legalizing gay marriage tears down our culture and society must admit that there are far larger threats to our way of life. To me it boils down to an order of priorities.

spunkloaf
08-05-2011, 03:38 PM
Face it. It's fun to hate.

That's why liberals get such a bad rap. That's why fags get such a bad rap. I really don't give a shit. Fuck everybody, I'm not going to return that hatred. I believe in something better. Whenever the rest of the world decides to pull its head out of its ass I'll be ready to forgive.


A lot depends on where you live, urban v. rural. There are certainly some areas more tolerant than others...it's not everyone, it's not the whole world. It's just some ignorance. I'm not sure if we've moved on from Bachmann to the kinds of people who promote vandalism and violence against homosexuals but there's no way that's a large segment of society. There are dumb fuckers who do all kinds of crap like that, people who fuck up my car because of the sports team on bumper sticker.

D, yes Westboro is only like 20-30 people I think and at least half are blood. It's too bad they've gotten the pub that they have, without it they may well have just withered away.


You have a good point. I don't mean to say Bachmann actually endorses that kind of hatred. But she sure gets those kinds of people excited about voting for her because of her views, and she's completely unapologetic for it. That is something I have a problem with.


Who are those kind of people? I think gay marriage is absolutely ridiculous and I don't think homosexuality is is biologically normal. Is anyone who holds those views a bigot? Secondly, Bachmann should have to be apologetic.


Forgive my forwardness, but...
Yes, because you're meddling in issues you know nothing about. Your beliefs stem entirely from hearsay propaganda fed to you by other people, and you have no first-hand experiences to draw from when making your conclusions. How can you even trust what you think you know? The only way you can be entirely certain of your own convictions is if you are secretly gay and you hate yourself. It's quite simple, straight people are not allowed to speculate on homosexuality or determine what gay people can or can't do. If you think somebody is biologically abnormal, the problem is with you. Not with them.

AND you're right. Bachmann does not have to apologize that she's catering to the beliefs of a bunch of haters and winning their votes. The same way Obama doesn't have to apologize that he's black and won a bunch of black people votes.

It doesn't mean I have to like her for it.

So tell me why you think gay marriage is ridiculous. Tell me also why it matters what you or anybody else thinks, and why gay people should yield to other people's opinions about what marriage is supposed to be.

It's sad this country will protect incest relationships before it will protect same sex relationships.




It is too bad there are extremists on both sides of the gay marriage issue...while I can understand the sentiment on both sides, no one can convince me that this is one of the most pressing issues in our society today. It serves as a distraction from the larger issues. Even those who claim that legalizing gay marriage tears down our culture and society must admit that there are far larger threats to our way of life. To me it boils down to an order of priorities.


You're absolutely right, there are more pressing issues. So why are a bunch of people focusing all their energy on worrying about what gay people are doing? Wouldn't it be more economical to let go of that fight and fry some bigger fish? People know damn well gays are not going to go away and will not stop their fight to have marriage rights like heterosexuals. Why continue to fight the inevitable? There are bigger issues. People should give up the battle, let gays have their way (it's so ridiculous and stupid anyways) and worry about other things.

Mister D
08-05-2011, 04:20 PM
Face it. It's fun to hate.

That's why liberals get such a bad rap. That's why fags get such a bad rap. I really don't give a shit. Fuck everybody, I'm not going to return that hatred. I believe in something better. Whenever the rest of the world decides to pull its head out of its ass I'll be ready to forgive.


A lot depends on where you live, urban v. rural. There are certainly some areas more tolerant than others...it's not everyone, it's not the whole world. It's just some ignorance. I'm not sure if we've moved on from Bachmann to the kinds of people who promote vandalism and violence against homosexuals but there's no way that's a large segment of society. There are dumb fuckers who do all kinds of crap like that, people who fuck up my car because of the sports team on bumper sticker.

D, yes Westboro is only like 20-30 people I think and at least half are blood. It's too bad they've gotten the pub that they have, without it they may well have just withered away.


You have a good point. I don't mean to say Bachmann actually endorses that kind of hatred. But she sure gets those kinds of people excited about voting for her because of her views, and she's completely unapologetic for it. That is something I have a problem with.


Who are those kind of people? I think gay marriage is absolutely ridiculous and I don't think homosexuality is is biologically normal. Is anyone who holds those views a bigot? Secondly, Bachmann should have to be apologetic.


Forgive my forwardness, but...
Yes, because you're meddling in issues you know nothing about. Your beliefs stem entirely from hearsay propaganda fed to you by other people, and you have no first-hand experiences to draw from when making your conclusions. How can you even trust what you think you know? The only way you can be entirely certain of your own convictions is if you are secretly gay and you hate yourself. It's quite simple, straight people are not allowed to speculate on homosexuality or determine what gay people can or can't do. If you think somebody is biologically abnormal, the problem is with you. Not with them.

AND you're right. Bachmann does not have to apologize that she's catering to the beliefs of a bunch of haters and winning their votes. The same way Obama doesn't have to apologize that he's black and won a bunch of black people votes.

It doesn't mean I have to like her for it.

So tell me why you think gay marriage is ridiculous. Tell me also why it matters what you or anybody else thinks, and why gay people should yield to other people's opinions about what marriage is supposed to be.

It's sad this country will protect incest relationships before it will protect same sex relationships.


:D I learned long ago that you have no intention of being obnoxious. It just happens.

Do you know more about gay marriage and homosexuality than I do? What specifically? You have no idea, do you? How can you even trust what you think you know? Right back atcha. Thebn we have the ol' you must be a self-hating homosexual. Yeah... :D People with Down's Syndrome, Cystic Fibrosis or haemophilia aren't biologically normal either. There is a genetic disorder present. That does not mean they are worth less than I but don't tell me for a moment that our lungs are supposed to produce enough mucus to kill us, that our blood is not supposed to clot or that human beings are supposed to function at such a low cognitive level. Bologna.

Note to all: do not "speculate" (which means do not disagree with Spunkloaf) on anything he has strong feelings about.

Gay marriage is inane because gay marriages are infertile by definition. It is not I but you who need to justify your demands that we change our customs and laws to suit a tiny minority seeking social acceptance.

Why does it matter what marriage has been since the most remote times? Duh. Even societies far more accepting of homosexuality than our own never considered gay marriages. You know why? Because it's inane. And no one tells you can't have a relationship with another man. You may do as you please.

spunkloaf
08-05-2011, 04:26 PM
Face it. It's fun to hate.

That's why liberals get such a bad rap. That's why fags get such a bad rap. I really don't give a shit. Fuck everybody, I'm not going to return that hatred. I believe in something better. Whenever the rest of the world decides to pull its head out of its ass I'll be ready to forgive.


A lot depends on where you live, urban v. rural. There are certainly some areas more tolerant than others...it's not everyone, it's not the whole world. It's just some ignorance. I'm not sure if we've moved on from Bachmann to the kinds of people who promote vandalism and violence against homosexuals but there's no way that's a large segment of society. There are dumb fuckers who do all kinds of crap like that, people who fuck up my car because of the sports team on bumper sticker.

D, yes Westboro is only like 20-30 people I think and at least half are blood. It's too bad they've gotten the pub that they have, without it they may well have just withered away.


You have a good point. I don't mean to say Bachmann actually endorses that kind of hatred. But she sure gets those kinds of people excited about voting for her because of her views, and she's completely unapologetic for it. That is something I have a problem with.


Who are those kind of people? I think gay marriage is absolutely ridiculous and I don't think homosexuality is is biologically normal. Is anyone who holds those views a bigot? Secondly, Bachmann should have to be apologetic.


Forgive my forwardness, but...
Yes, because you're meddling in issues you know nothing about. Your beliefs stem entirely from hearsay propaganda fed to you by other people, and you have no first-hand experiences to draw from when making your conclusions. How can you even trust what you think you know? The only way you can be entirely certain of your own convictions is if you are secretly gay and you hate yourself. It's quite simple, straight people are not allowed to speculate on homosexuality or determine what gay people can or can't do. If you think somebody is biologically abnormal, the problem is with you. Not with them.

AND you're right. Bachmann does not have to apologize that she's catering to the beliefs of a bunch of haters and winning their votes. The same way Obama doesn't have to apologize that he's black and won a bunch of black people votes.

It doesn't mean I have to like her for it.

So tell me why you think gay marriage is ridiculous. Tell me also why it matters what you or anybody else thinks, and why gay people should yield to other people's opinions about what marriage is supposed to be.

It's sad this country will protect incest relationships before it will protect same sex relationships.


:D I learned long ago that you have no intention of being obnoxious. It just happens.

Do you know more about gay marriage and homosexuality than I do? What specifically? You have no idea, do you? How can you even trust what you think you know? Right back atcha. Thebn we have the ol' you must be a self-hating homosexual. Yeah... :D People with Down's Syndrome, Cystic Fibrosis or haemophilia aren't biologically normal either. There is a genetic disorder present. That does not mean they are worth less than I but don't tell me for a moment that our lungs are supposed to produce enough mucus to kill us, that our blood is not supposed to clot or that human beings are supposed to function at such a low cognitive level. Bologna.

Note to all: do not "speculate" (which means do not disagree with Spunkloaf) on anything he has strong feelings about.

Gay marriage is inane because gay marriages are infertile by definition. It is not I but you who need to justify your demands that we change our customs and laws to suit a tiny minority seeking social acceptance.

Why does it matter what marriage has been since the most remote times? Duh. Even societies far more accepting of homosexuality than our own never considered gay marriages. You know why? Because it's inane. And no one tells you can't have a relationship with another man. You may do as you please.


You can believe what you want to believe but your logic is convoluted, and you will bend it around whatever evidence is presented because you have convinced yourself that homosexuality is abnormal. It's only because you've been told this by other people, nothing more. You have no experience to draw upon. You really have no ground on the issue, it's not in your place to discuss. You can try if you want to, but you simply have no ground. It's nothing personal.

Conley
08-05-2011, 04:40 PM
What definition of normal are we using in a biological context? It is a bit disingenuous to compare homosexuality to diseases like CF and hemophilia. Those are diseases that cause great suffering and have been clearly mapped to one or more genes. Homosexuality is much harder to compartmentalize.

spunkloaf
08-05-2011, 04:50 PM
What definition of normal are we using in a biological context? It is a bit disingenuous to compare homosexuality to diseases like CF and hemophilia. Those are diseases that cause great suffering and have been clearly mapped to one or more genes. Homosexuality is much harder to compartmentalize.


As a matter of fact, treating homosexuality like a disease or disorder serves to make things worse for the person. There have long been attempts to "correct" homosexuality and the attempts have been unsuccessful, harmful or even fatal.

Mister D
08-05-2011, 04:57 PM
Face it. It's fun to hate.

That's why liberals get such a bad rap. That's why fags get such a bad rap. I really don't give a shit. Fuck everybody, I'm not going to return that hatred. I believe in something better. Whenever the rest of the world decides to pull its head out of its ass I'll be ready to forgive.


A lot depends on where you live, urban v. rural. There are certainly some areas more tolerant than others...it's not everyone, it's not the whole world. It's just some ignorance. I'm not sure if we've moved on from Bachmann to the kinds of people who promote vandalism and violence against homosexuals but there's no way that's a large segment of society. There are dumb fuckers who do all kinds of crap like that, people who fuck up my car because of the sports team on bumper sticker.

D, yes Westboro is only like 20-30 people I think and at least half are blood. It's too bad they've gotten the pub that they have, without it they may well have just withered away.


You have a good point. I don't mean to say Bachmann actually endorses that kind of hatred. But she sure gets those kinds of people excited about voting for her because of her views, and she's completely unapologetic for it. That is something I have a problem with.


Who are those kind of people? I think gay marriage is absolutely ridiculous and I don't think homosexuality is is biologically normal. Is anyone who holds those views a bigot? Secondly, Bachmann should have to be apologetic.


Forgive my forwardness, but...
Yes, because you're meddling in issues you know nothing about. Your beliefs stem entirely from hearsay propaganda fed to you by other people, and you have no first-hand experiences to draw from when making your conclusions. How can you even trust what you think you know? The only way you can be entirely certain of your own convictions is if you are secretly gay and you hate yourself. It's quite simple, straight people are not allowed to speculate on homosexuality or determine what gay people can or can't do. If you think somebody is biologically abnormal, the problem is with you. Not with them.

AND you're right. Bachmann does not have to apologize that she's catering to the beliefs of a bunch of haters and winning their votes. The same way Obama doesn't have to apologize that he's black and won a bunch of black people votes.

It doesn't mean I have to like her for it.

So tell me why you think gay marriage is ridiculous. Tell me also why it matters what you or anybody else thinks, and why gay people should yield to other people's opinions about what marriage is supposed to be.

It's sad this country will protect incest relationships before it will protect same sex relationships.


:D I learned long ago that you have no intention of being obnoxious. It just happens.

Do you know more about gay marriage and homosexuality than I do? What specifically? You have no idea, do you? How can you even trust what you think you know? Right back atcha. Thebn we have the ol' you must be a self-hating homosexual. Yeah... :D People with Down's Syndrome, Cystic Fibrosis or haemophilia aren't biologically normal either. There is a genetic disorder present. That does not mean they are worth less than I but don't tell me for a moment that our lungs are supposed to produce enough mucus to kill us, that our blood is not supposed to clot or that human beings are supposed to function at such a low cognitive level. Bologna.

Note to all: do not "speculate" (which means do not disagree with Spunkloaf) on anything he has strong feelings about.

Gay marriage is inane because gay marriages are infertile by definition. It is not I but you who need to justify your demands that we change our customs and laws to suit a tiny minority seeking social acceptance.

Why does it matter what marriage has been since the most remote times? Duh. Even societies far more accepting of homosexuality than our own never considered gay marriages. You know why? Because it's inane. And no one tells you can't have a relationship with another man. You may do as you please.


You can believe what you want to believe but your logic is convoluted, and you will bend it around whatever evidence is presented because you have convinced yourself that homosexuality is abnormal. It's only because you've been told this by other people, nothing more. You have no experience to draw upon. You really have no ground on the issue, it's not in your place to discuss. You can try if you want to, but you simply have no ground. It's nothing personal.


I haven't seen any evidence but I'd be more than happy to wait for it. In any case, what ground do you have on this issue?

Mister D
08-05-2011, 05:01 PM
What definition of normal are we using in a biological context? It is a bit disingenuous to compare homosexuality to diseases like CF and hemophilia. Those are diseases that cause great suffering and have been clearly mapped to one or more genes. Homosexuality is much harder to compartmentalize.


I don't think it's disingenuous at all. I said it is my opinion that homosexuality is some kind of psycho-sexual disorder. I stand by that because it appears to be the most likely explanation and it was the official explanation up until gay activists lobbied against it in the 1970s. I don't think it is biologically normal for a human being to have a homosexual orientation. I see no reason other than hurt feelings to change my mind.

Mister D
08-05-2011, 05:03 PM
What definition of normal are we using in a biological context? It is a bit disingenuous to compare homosexuality to diseases like CF and hemophilia. Those are diseases that cause great suffering and have been clearly mapped to one or more genes. Homosexuality is much harder to compartmentalize.


As a matter of fact, treating homosexuality like a disease or disorder serves to make things worse for the person. There have long been attempts to "correct" homosexuality and the attempts have been unsuccessful, harmful or even fatal.


No, perhaps treating it like it can be changed (if indeed it is genetic) serves to make matters worse. Kidding ourselves, on the other hand, doesn't strike me as a good idea either.

Conley
08-05-2011, 06:12 PM
What definition of normal are we using in a biological context? It is a bit disingenuous to compare homosexuality to diseases like CF and hemophilia. Those are diseases that cause great suffering and have been clearly mapped to one or more genes. Homosexuality is much harder to compartmentalize.


As a matter of fact, treating homosexuality like a disease or disorder serves to make things worse for the person. There have long been attempts to "correct" homosexuality and the attempts have been unsuccessful, harmful or even fatal.


No, perhaps treating it like it can be changed (if indeed it is genetic) serves to make matters worse. Kidding ourselves, on the other hand, doesn't strike me as a good idea either.


??? But many genetic disorders can be treated...so if you believe it is a genetic disorder, why would you be against treating it?

Conley
08-05-2011, 06:16 PM
What definition of normal are we using in a biological context? It is a bit disingenuous to compare homosexuality to diseases like CF and hemophilia. Those are diseases that cause great suffering and have been clearly mapped to one or more genes. Homosexuality is much harder to compartmentalize.


I don't think it's disingenuous at all. I said it is my opinion that homosexuality is some kind of psycho-sexual disorder. I stand by that because it appears to be the most likely explanation and it was the official explanation up until gay activists lobbied against it in the 1970s. I don't think it is biologically normal for a human being to have a homosexual orientation. I see no reason other than hurt feelings to change my mind.


It is more a matter of misdiagnosis and misclassification than hurt feelings. Politics of this sort should be left out of science. The fact of the matter is that we do not know whether there is a genetic basis or not, nor do we even begin to know the root causes. To assume otherwise is foolhardy.

Mister D
08-06-2011, 10:05 AM
What definition of normal are we using in a biological context? It is a bit disingenuous to compare homosexuality to diseases like CF and hemophilia. Those are diseases that cause great suffering and have been clearly mapped to one or more genes. Homosexuality is much harder to compartmentalize.


As a matter of fact, treating homosexuality like a disease or disorder serves to make things worse for the person. There have long been attempts to "correct" homosexuality and the attempts have been unsuccessful, harmful or even fatal.


No, perhaps treating it like it can be changed (if indeed it is genetic) serves to make matters worse. Kidding ourselves, on the other hand, doesn't strike me as a good idea either.


??? But many genetic disorders can be treated...so if you believe it is a genetic disorder, why would you be against treating it?


There is no cure for Down's Syndrome and other genetic disorders at this time. Moreover, we aren't even certain that it is in the genes. If it makes gays feel better that they aren't cajoled into treating a disorder that we simply do not know how to treat let alone cure at this time I have no problem with that. They can't have it both ways though. If they were indeed born that way then it's highly likely that homosexuality is a disorder or disease of some kind.

Mister D
08-06-2011, 10:08 AM
What definition of normal are we using in a biological context? It is a bit disingenuous to compare homosexuality to diseases like CF and hemophilia. Those are diseases that cause great suffering and have been clearly mapped to one or more genes. Homosexuality is much harder to compartmentalize.


I don't think it's disingenuous at all. I said it is my opinion that homosexuality is some kind of psycho-sexual disorder. I stand by that because it appears to be the most likely explanation and it was the official explanation up until gay activists lobbied against it in the 1970s. I don't think it is biologically normal for a human being to have a homosexual orientation. I see no reason other than hurt feelings to change my mind.


It is more a matter of misdiagnosis and misclassification than hurt feelings. Politics of this sort should be left out of science. The fact of the matter is that we do not know whether there is a genetic basis or not, nor do we even begin to know the root causes. To assume otherwise is foolhardy.


Then perhaps gays should not insist that they were born that way. It's foolhardy, no? I agree that nothing is certain about the causes. The human brain is extremely complex.

freecell
08-09-2011, 08:33 PM
I think they will find a way to criticize her regardless. She will never do anything right in somes eyes

Conley
08-09-2011, 09:03 PM
What definition of normal are we using in a biological context? It is a bit disingenuous to compare homosexuality to diseases like CF and hemophilia. Those are diseases that cause great suffering and have been clearly mapped to one or more genes. Homosexuality is much harder to compartmentalize.


I don't think it's disingenuous at all. I said it is my opinion that homosexuality is some kind of psycho-sexual disorder. I stand by that because it appears to be the most likely explanation and it was the official explanation up until gay activists lobbied against it in the 1970s. I don't think it is biologically normal for a human being to have a homosexual orientation. I see no reason other than hurt feelings to change my mind.


It is more a matter of misdiagnosis and misclassification than hurt feelings. Politics of this sort should be left out of science. The fact of the matter is that we do not know whether there is a genetic basis or not, nor do we even begin to know the root causes. To assume otherwise is foolhardy.


Then perhaps gays should not insist that they were born that way. It's foolhardy, no? I agree that nothing is certain about the causes. The human brain is extremely complex.


Agreed. Criminals, alcoholics, and other groups also claim they were 'born that way'. Not suggesting that homosexuality is in league with those other two groups, just that claiming you were 'born that way' is somewhat ignorant and assumes an absurd amount of predestination. I do think if there was an absolute clear 100% link between genetics and homosexuality it would have been illuminated by now. At best genetics is only a part of the equation, and quite probably a small part.

spunkloaf
08-09-2011, 09:15 PM
Face it. It's fun to hate.

That's why liberals get such a bad rap. That's why fags get such a bad rap. I really don't give a shit. Fuck everybody, I'm not going to return that hatred. I believe in something better. Whenever the rest of the world decides to pull its head out of its ass I'll be ready to forgive.


A lot depends on where you live, urban v. rural. There are certainly some areas more tolerant than others...it's not everyone, it's not the whole world. It's just some ignorance. I'm not sure if we've moved on from Bachmann to the kinds of people who promote vandalism and violence against homosexuals but there's no way that's a large segment of society. There are dumb fuckers who do all kinds of crap like that, people who fuck up my car because of the sports team on bumper sticker.

D, yes Westboro is only like 20-30 people I think and at least half are blood. It's too bad they've gotten the pub that they have, without it they may well have just withered away.


You have a good point. I don't mean to say Bachmann actually endorses that kind of hatred. But she sure gets those kinds of people excited about voting for her because of her views, and she's completely unapologetic for it. That is something I have a problem with.


Who are those kind of people? I think gay marriage is absolutely ridiculous and I don't think homosexuality is is biologically normal. Is anyone who holds those views a bigot? Secondly, Bachmann should have to be apologetic.


Forgive my forwardness, but...
Yes, because you're meddling in issues you know nothing about. Your beliefs stem entirely from hearsay propaganda fed to you by other people, and you have no first-hand experiences to draw from when making your conclusions. How can you even trust what you think you know? The only way you can be entirely certain of your own convictions is if you are secretly gay and you hate yourself. It's quite simple, straight people are not allowed to speculate on homosexuality or determine what gay people can or can't do. If you think somebody is biologically abnormal, the problem is with you. Not with them.

AND you're right. Bachmann does not have to apologize that she's catering to the beliefs of a bunch of haters and winning their votes. The same way Obama doesn't have to apologize that he's black and won a bunch of black people votes.

It doesn't mean I have to like her for it.

So tell me why you think gay marriage is ridiculous. Tell me also why it matters what you or anybody else thinks, and why gay people should yield to other people's opinions about what marriage is supposed to be.

It's sad this country will protect incest relationships before it will protect same sex relationships.


:D I learned long ago that you have no intention of being obnoxious. It just happens.

Do you know more about gay marriage and homosexuality than I do? What specifically? You have no idea, do you? How can you even trust what you think you know? Right back atcha. Thebn we have the ol' you must be a self-hating homosexual. Yeah... :D People with Down's Syndrome, Cystic Fibrosis or haemophilia aren't biologically normal either. There is a genetic disorder present. That does not mean they are worth less than I but don't tell me for a moment that our lungs are supposed to produce enough mucus to kill us, that our blood is not supposed to clot or that human beings are supposed to function at such a low cognitive level. Bologna.

Note to all: do not "speculate" (which means do not disagree with Spunkloaf) on anything he has strong feelings about.

Gay marriage is inane because gay marriages are infertile by definition. It is not I but you who need to justify your demands that we change our customs and laws to suit a tiny minority seeking social acceptance.

Why does it matter what marriage has been since the most remote times? Duh. Even societies far more accepting of homosexuality than our own never considered gay marriages. You know why? Because it's inane. And no one tells you can't have a relationship with another man. You may do as you please.


You can believe what you want to believe but your logic is convoluted, and you will bend it around whatever evidence is presented because you have convinced yourself that homosexuality is abnormal. It's only because you've been told this by other people, nothing more. You have no experience to draw upon. You really have no ground on the issue, it's not in your place to discuss. You can try if you want to, but you simply have no ground. It's nothing personal.


I haven't seen any evidence but I'd be more than happy to wait for it. In any case, what ground do you have on this issue?


Only living with the "issue" every day of my life whether I have any interest in paying attention to it or not.

Conley
08-09-2011, 09:20 PM
Spunk, just a hunch but you might enjoy moving to a more tolerant area. Life is way too short to put up with assholes. ;)

Mister D
08-10-2011, 07:41 AM
Face it. It's fun to hate.

That's why liberals get such a bad rap. That's why fags get such a bad rap. I really don't give a shit. Fuck everybody, I'm not going to return that hatred. I believe in something better. Whenever the rest of the world decides to pull its head out of its ass I'll be ready to forgive.


A lot depends on where you live, urban v. rural. There are certainly some areas more tolerant than others...it's not everyone, it's not the whole world. It's just some ignorance. I'm not sure if we've moved on from Bachmann to the kinds of people who promote vandalism and violence against homosexuals but there's no way that's a large segment of society. There are dumb fuckers who do all kinds of crap like that, people who fuck up my car because of the sports team on bumper sticker.

D, yes Westboro is only like 20-30 people I think and at least half are blood. It's too bad they've gotten the pub that they have, without it they may well have just withered away.


You have a good point. I don't mean to say Bachmann actually endorses that kind of hatred. But she sure gets those kinds of people excited about voting for her because of her views, and she's completely unapologetic for it. That is something I have a problem with.


Who are those kind of people? I think gay marriage is absolutely ridiculous and I don't think homosexuality is is biologically normal. Is anyone who holds those views a bigot? Secondly, Bachmann should have to be apologetic.


Forgive my forwardness, but...
Yes, because you're meddling in issues you know nothing about. Your beliefs stem entirely from hearsay propaganda fed to you by other people, and you have no first-hand experiences to draw from when making your conclusions. How can you even trust what you think you know? The only way you can be entirely certain of your own convictions is if you are secretly gay and you hate yourself. It's quite simple, straight people are not allowed to speculate on homosexuality or determine what gay people can or can't do. If you think somebody is biologically abnormal, the problem is with you. Not with them.

AND you're right. Bachmann does not have to apologize that she's catering to the beliefs of a bunch of haters and winning their votes. The same way Obama doesn't have to apologize that he's black and won a bunch of black people votes.

It doesn't mean I have to like her for it.

So tell me why you think gay marriage is ridiculous. Tell me also why it matters what you or anybody else thinks, and why gay people should yield to other people's opinions about what marriage is supposed to be.

It's sad this country will protect incest relationships before it will protect same sex relationships.


:D I learned long ago that you have no intention of being obnoxious. It just happens.

Do you know more about gay marriage and homosexuality than I do? What specifically? You have no idea, do you? How can you even trust what you think you know? Right back atcha. Thebn we have the ol' you must be a self-hating homosexual. Yeah... :D People with Down's Syndrome, Cystic Fibrosis or haemophilia aren't biologically normal either. There is a genetic disorder present. That does not mean they are worth less than I but don't tell me for a moment that our lungs are supposed to produce enough mucus to kill us, that our blood is not supposed to clot or that human beings are supposed to function at such a low cognitive level. Bologna.

Note to all: do not "speculate" (which means do not disagree with Spunkloaf) on anything he has strong feelings about.

Gay marriage is inane because gay marriages are infertile by definition. It is not I but you who need to justify your demands that we change our customs and laws to suit a tiny minority seeking social acceptance.

Why does it matter what marriage has been since the most remote times? Duh. Even societies far more accepting of homosexuality than our own never considered gay marriages. You know why? Because it's inane. And no one tells you can't have a relationship with another man. You may do as you please.


You can believe what you want to believe but your logic is convoluted, and you will bend it around whatever evidence is presented because you have convinced yourself that homosexuality is abnormal. It's only because you've been told this by other people, nothing more. You have no experience to draw upon. You really have no ground on the issue, it's not in your place to discuss. You can try if you want to, but you simply have no ground. It's nothing personal.


I haven't seen any evidence but I'd be more than happy to wait for it. In any case, what ground do you have on this issue?


Only living with the "issue" every day of my life whether I have any interest in paying attention to it or not.


But what "does living with the issue" give you. Please be specific about this. I get the feeling that this is just another version of: "It's a black thing. You wouldn't understand".