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zelmo1234
04-24-2014, 07:16 AM
So we have just finished a 5+ year experiment in Green energy, government spending, federal control over healthcare. raising taxes on the rich and massive increases in regulations.

So what if they actually decided to do something different. To actually set a goal and go for it.

For example lets take Obama care and implement the entire law, right now, and give it 3 years.

Then if it does what the democrats say it will and it is not killing jobs and healthcare and insurance cost are not out of this world! more people are insured and they are happy with the quality of care?
Republican agree to get behind the bill and work together to tweak any items that need working on

If it is the disaster that republicans tell us it is the Democrats agree to scrap in and let the Republican have there plan for 3 years. + 1 year for implementation

In return the Democrats agree to reform the TAX Code to make the country more in line with the rest of the world. Lowering rate across the board and reducing regulations! And the Dems give up on the increase in minimum wage!

If unemployment drops and the income gap starts to close, and the GDP increases, the democrats agree to work with the republicans to tweak any additional areas that need correcting.

If this is the total failure that Dem's tell us it will be, then the Republicans agree to return to the old tax code and let the Democrats have there economic plan for 3 years +1 year for implementation

Sound like something that reasonable people could do?

Cigar
04-24-2014, 07:19 AM
What ... are you ready to give up on 30 years of Reaganomics? :laugh:

Peter1469
04-24-2014, 07:20 AM
We should have expiration dates on all legislation.

zelmo1234
04-24-2014, 07:26 AM
What ... are you ready to give up on 30 years of Reaganomics? :laugh:

We have we are trying something else right now and it is failing! It is doing all of the things they always said Reaganomics would do?

So show me the money! you have had 5 years and it has gotten worse, not better!

So it is time to try something else! returning to the thing that brought us out of the last situation like this, seems logical to try it again

zelmo1234
04-24-2014, 07:26 AM
We should have expiration dates on all legislation.

That is a totally awesome idea!

Captain Obvious
04-24-2014, 07:31 AM
We should have expiration dates on all legislation.

Brilliant!

With required review, renewal and/or removal.

Keep these fuckers busy on all the shit they keep passing and passing is far, far more productive than just sitting around legislating for the sake of legislating. Force them to be keepers of everything they create, not just legislate into oblivion.

I love this idea.

Cigar
04-24-2014, 07:31 AM
That is a totally awesome idea!

But you'll have to Log-Off of The Political Forums and actually Campaign, Win and Election and then Implement it.

Or ... you can Post a Thread

:laugh:

zelmo1234
04-24-2014, 07:35 AM
But you'll have to Log-Off of The Political Forums and actually Campaign, Win and Election and then Implement it.

Or ... you can Post a Thread

:laugh:

So you have nothing of value to add?

What about the best Idea I have heard in a long time. An expiration date on all legislation?

For example tax code could be set to expire every ten years. That way they could fix problems every decade.

What about energy policies they say that it take five years to see the results so if it was revised every 8 years that would be great!

So what is your take

Captain Obvious
04-24-2014, 07:36 AM
So you have nothing of value to add?

What about the best Idea I have heard in a long time. An expiration date on all legislation?

For example tax code could be set to expire every ten years. That way they could fix problems every decade.

What about energy policies they say that it take five years to see the results so if it was revised every 8 years that would be great!

So what is your take

Good luck with that.

Here, let me save you some trouble. "When you wake up tomorrow, the ACA will still be LAW".

zelmo1234
04-24-2014, 07:38 AM
Good luck with that.

Here, let me save you some trouble. "When you wake up tomorrow, the ACA will still be LAW".

Well I see your ACA law and raise you A Back to Black elections cycle? :)

That should just about cover anything he has to say!

Captain Obvious
04-24-2014, 07:40 AM
Well I see your ACA law and raise you A Back to Black elections cycle? :)

That should just about cover anything he has to say!

You got it, sport!

Matty
04-24-2014, 07:40 AM
We should have expiration dates on all legislation.
What would help the most is that those passing the legislation agree to applying it to themselves!

zelmo1234
04-24-2014, 07:42 AM
What would help the most is that those passing the legislation agree to applying it to themselves!

Another great Idea!

Captain Obvious
04-24-2014, 07:47 AM
What would help the most is that those passing the legislation agree to applying it to themselves!

That should go without saying.

It speaks volumes about the process that it doesn't.

Matty
04-24-2014, 07:53 AM
And couldn't we find politicians who don't think Guam will tip over? Shouldn't they have to pass a competency test? I think voters who vote morons like that into office should lose their voting rights!

Cigar
04-24-2014, 07:59 AM
So you have nothing of value to add?

What about the best Idea I have heard in a long time. An expiration date on all legislation?

For example tax code could be set to expire every ten years. That way they could fix problems every decade.

What about energy policies they say that it take five years to see the results so if it was revised every 8 years that would be great!

So what is your take


WHAT ABOUT JOBS ... you know that thing Republicans Ran on in 2010 :rollseyes:

Peter1469
04-24-2014, 08:02 AM
WHAT ABOUT JOBS ... you know that thing Republicans Ran on in 2010 :rollseyes:

The House passed all sorts of job bills. Ask your buddies in the Senate about why no jobs bills got to the floor of the Senate.

zelmo1234
04-24-2014, 08:04 AM
WHAT ABOUT JOBS ... you know that thing Republicans Ran on in 2010 :rollseyes:

Well they have passed some tax reform bills. You know the thing that Reagan used to create 21 million and Clinton used to create 23 million jobs

You will find them sitting with the other 400 bills that are dead in the Senate

The Trillion dollars that Obama spent on job creation did not work, so more of the same seems a little foolish!

And of course the Republicans ran on repealing that ACA in 2010 and they have voted to do that 50 some times
!

Mainecoons
04-24-2014, 08:04 AM
The only jobs bills we need out of D.C. are the ones that remove all of Obama's Federal obstacles to jobs.

Anyone who can't connect the record tax collections due to tax hikes and the record number of job-killing regulations to the decline of the quality and pay of the middle class is as stupid as. . .Cigar.

Akula
04-24-2014, 09:42 AM
So we have just finished a 5+ year experiment in Green energy, government spending, federal control over healthcare. raising taxes on the rich and massive increases in regulations.

So what if they actually decided to do something different. To actually set a goal and go for it.

For example lets take Obama care and implement the entire law, right now, and give it 3 years.

Then if it does what the democrats say it will and it is not killing jobs and healthcare and insurance cost are not out of this world! more people are insured and they are happy with the quality of care?
Republican agree to get behind the bill and work together to tweak any items that need working on

If it is the disaster that republicans tell us it is the Democrats agree to scrap in and let the Republican have there plan for 3 years. + 1 year for implementation

In return the Democrats agree to reform the TAX Code to make the country more in line with the rest of the world. Lowering rate across the board and reducing regulations! And the Dems give up on the increase in minimum wage!

If unemployment drops and the income gap starts to close, and the GDP increases, the democrats agree to work with the republicans to tweak any additional areas that need correcting.

If this is the total failure that Dem's tell us it will be, then the Republicans agree to return to the old tax code and let the Democrats have there economic plan for 3 years +1 year for implementation

Sound like something that reasonable people could do?

Everything is fine.

Haven't you been listening?

Refugee
04-24-2014, 09:59 AM
So we have just finished a 5+ year experiment in Green energy, government spending, federal control over healthcare. raising taxes on the rich and massive increases in regulations.

So what if they actually decided to do something different. To actually set a goal and go for it.

For example lets take Obama care and implement the entire law, right now, and give it 3 years.

Then if it does what the democrats say it will and it is not killing jobs and healthcare and insurance cost are not out of this world! more people are insured and they are happy with the quality of care?
Republican agree to get behind the bill and work together to tweak any items that need working on

If it is the disaster that republicans tell us it is the Democrats agree to scrap in and let the Republican have there plan for 3 years. + 1 year for implementation

In return the Democrats agree to reform the TAX Code to make the country more in line with the rest of the world. Lowering rate across the board and reducing regulations! And the Dems give up on the increase in minimum wage!

If unemployment drops and the income gap starts to close, and the GDP increases, the democrats agree to work with the republicans to tweak any additional areas that need correcting.

If this is the total failure that Dem's tell us it will be, then the Republicans agree to return to the old tax code and let the Democrats have there economic plan for 3 years +1 year for implementation

Sound like something that reasonable people could do?

We have it in the UK at the moment, its called a coalition. The Conservatives joined forces with the Liberals to keep out Labour. A bit like the Republicans joining with the Greens to keep out Democrats. It sort of works as each party gives and takes on policies to produce a mix. It happens in wartime to when all parties are led by a consensus. The problems arise when they all follow corporatism and progressivism and then there's no difference between them, but Yes, I'll vote for Zelmo politics. :smiley:

Akula
04-24-2014, 10:04 AM
And couldn't we find politicians who don't think Guam will tip over? Shouldn't they have to pass a competency test? I think voters who vote morons like that into office should lose their voting rights!

....or a politician who actually knows how many states there are?

57 states..LMFAO....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpGH02DtIws


or the great "Constitutional Scholar" :rollseyes:...a Harvard grad, mind you...who thinks the Constitution is 2000 years old.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_iTPLC5OpJA

He's the perfect president actually. No one has hastened the collapse faster than him. We'll get to re set sooner.

nic34
04-24-2014, 10:22 AM
The House passed all sorts of job bills. Ask your buddies in the Senate about why no jobs bills got to the floor of the Senate.

Ask Boehner how many de-fund ACA were attached to those "job" bills. Holding Americans' jobs hostage in order to strip them of their health insurance. F'in fantastic.

nic34
04-24-2014, 10:24 AM
If it is the disaster that republicans tell us it is the Democrats agree to scrap in and let the Republican have there plan for 3 years. + 1 year for implementation



Deal. First, what's the republican "plan"?

(Tort reform and portability doesn't qualify as a "plan")

patrickt
04-24-2014, 11:49 AM
We should have expiration dates on all legislation.

And every law, regardless of the level of government, should be required to start with a paragraph, just one and it can't be 2,000 pages long, on why the law is needed.

Peter1469
04-24-2014, 12:31 PM
Ask Boehner how many de-fund ACA were attached to those "job" bills. Holding Americans' jobs hostage in order to strip them of their health insurance. F'in fantastic.

The senate could have taken the jobs bill and stripped out the add-ons....

zelmo1234
04-24-2014, 12:45 PM
Deal. First, what's the republican "plan"?

(Tort reform and portability doesn't qualify as a "plan")

NO! you get your chance, they get their, if theirs does not work you get another chance.

We have posted the republican plan on here many times and it may or may not work, but I don't believe that the ACA will work again