The War on Contraception and Women's Health

[dadakarma]

War On Women: Anti-Contraception Lit Handed Out At Conservative Conference Headlined By Santorum, Paul Ryan (http://thinkprogress.org/health/2012/03/26/451292/anti-contraception-literature-afp-conference/)(snip)


Americans For Prosperity (AFP), a conservative Koch-funded organization, held its Defending The American Dream Summit in Milwaukee on Saturday with a few major headline speakers: Rick Santorum, Sen. Ron Johnson (R-WI), and Rep. Paul Ryan (R-WI). All three insisted that the Obama administration’s rule requiring insurance companies to cover contraception actually had nothing to do with contraception, but rather was an attack on religious liberty.

http://thinkprogress.org/health/2012/03/26/451292/anti-contraception-literature-afp-conference/

This will be the Republicans' undoing. Koch Industries sponsors AFP - what a shock - not.

[Conley]

I have been surprised by the number of female supporters Santorum has.

I guess there are folks of all different kinds. Personally I think the attack on contraception is silly, but I wouldn't call it a war on women.

[dadakarma]

I have been surprised by the number of female supporters Santorum has.

I guess there are folks of all different kinds. Personally I think the attack on contraception is silly, but I wouldn't call it a war on women.

Legislation floating about 'transvaginal ultrasounds', doctors being able to lie to their patients about fetus health in order to discourage abortions pursued because of birth defects, etc., deliberately-misleading propaganda about birth control causing breast cancer and numerous other fallacies. More than 'silly'.

[Mister D]

There is an attack on contraception?

[dadakarma]

There is an attack on contraception?

You betcha. Go check out my article in the opening post. And I'll be HAPPY to show you more evidence. :)

[Mister D]

You betcha. Go check out my article in the opening post. And I'll be HAPPY to show you more evidence. :)

In order to show me more you would have to have shown me at least SOME evidence in the past. There is a war on contraception?

[dadakarma]

In order to show me more you would have to have shown me at least SOME evidence in the past. There is a war on contraception?

What's wrong with the present? The propaganda being passed out (see link in opening post) at the conference doesn't count?

[Mister D]

What's wrong with the present? The propaganda being passed out (see link in opening post) at the conference doesn't count?

Let's say this is all accurate. So what? The fact that some pro-life group handed out fliers at a conservative conference translates into a war on contraception?

[dadakarma]

Let's say this is all accurate. So what? The fact that some pro-life group handed out fliers at a conservative conference translates into a war on contraception?

What would you call it? Fundies are a big part of the Republican base. The leaps taken backward are due to their influence. Have you read "The Family" yet?

The AFP is not just some "pro life group". Are you familiar with Koch Industries? Are you aware of their influence in politics?

[Conley]

Legislation floating about 'transvaginal ultrasounds', doctors being able to lie to their patients about fetus health in order to discourage abortions pursued because of birth defects, etc., deliberately-misleading propaganda about birth control causing breast cancer and numerous other fallacies. More than 'silly'.

True, transvaginal ultrasounds are not silly but I was talking about contraception. I can see how I chose my words poorly though, and a lack of contraception does lead to a whole mess of problems none of which are silly.

[Mister D]

True, transvaginal ultrasounds are not silly but I was talking about contraception. I can see how I chose my words poorly though, and a lack of contraception does lead to a whole mess of problems none of which are silly.

Except that there is no lack of contraception whatsoever.

[Mister D]

What would you call it? Fundies are a big part of the Republican base. The leaps taken backward are due to their influence. Have you read "The Family" yet?

The AFP is not just some "pro life group". Are you familiar with Koch Industries? Are you aware of their influence in politics?

I would call it a non-story but thinkprogress does what it does. :wink: "Fundies" (many of them female) may very well be a large part of the GOP base. So what? What leaps backward?

Yes, the AFP is some pro-life group that showed up at some conference to hand out fliers and now we have a war on contraception. Got it. lol

[Peter1469]

There is no attack on contraceptives. There is a far left movement to convince us that there is such a war.

Insurance has always covered contraceptives such as the pill for women with medical requirements such as very heavy flows or other health issues associated with their periods. But birth control is typically an individual responsibility. Which is good. It controls costs. Once the government decides to make it a right you can bet your paycheck that the cost of contraceptives will skyrocket.

[2Ts]

There is no attack on contraceptives. There is a far left movement to convince us that there is such a war.

Insurance has always covered contraceptives such as the pill for women with medical requirements such as very heavy flows or other health issues associated with their periods. But birth control is typically an individual responsibility. Which is good. It controls costs. Once the government decides to make it a right you can bet your paycheck that the cost of contraceptives will skyrocket.

what is the medical need for an erection?

[Peter1469]

Isn't a trans-vaginal ultrasound used for all ultrasounds until the fetus is large enough for a traditional ultrasound?

[dadakarma]

Isn't a trans-vaginal ultrasound used for all ultrasounds until the fetus is large enough for a traditional ultrasound?

No.

[Peter1469]

As a military officer with over 21 years of experience, I would say that if there is a war on contraceptives, contraceptives are winning.

[Mainecoons]

This is a war on making me and my wife, in our 60's, pay more for insurance so unwed people can have free contraceptives. Just more leftist theft from the rapidly dwindling number of people who are carrying your entitlement society.

This whole thing is a manufactured lie from the left, starting with Fluke the ringer. Proving once again that liberals are the enemy within.

You don't have the right to take money from me to make it safe for you to screw around. Pay for it yourself.

[Vilifier of Zombies]

As a military officer with over 21 years of experience, I would say that if there is a war on contraceptives, contraceptives are winning.

What branch?

[Vilifier of Zombies]

what is the medical need for an erection?

If you have to ask then it's probably for the better that you don't know...

[Peter1469]

What branch?

Started as 11B- 9 years
Now 27A - for 12 years

[Alias]

America has become a very violent nation since the election of Obama. War on women....Blacks under attack.....war on babies with partial birth abortion condoned by Obama...etc......

In fact, I know a guy who had his heart attack him a few days ago. Yep. So now we have attacks by hearts. Be careful. They come out of nowhere and just slam you to the ground and leave you there helpless.

[Peter1469]

Obama is a divider not unifier...

[Vilifier of Zombies]

Started as 11B- 9 years
Now 27A - for 12 years

I started out as a 14/16 S - Avenger/Stinger for 4 years
Then 11A for 5 years, it's because of a few JAG guys that I'm in a LL.M. program at this time, without their recommendations I don't think I would've ever been selected.
My wife's still in, 67A

[2Ts]

I would call it a non-story but thinkprogress does what it does. :wink: "Fundies" (many of them female) may very well be a large part of the GOP base. So what? What leaps backward?

Yes, the AFP is some pro-life group that showed up at some conference to hand out fliers and now we have a war on contraception. Got it. lol

how about a law that says you employer has the right to learn if you use birth control for medical reasons or birth control because it might be against their moral beliefs... the right to privacy, not backwards? calling woman who use birth control and have sex sluts and prostitutes on a national radio show, not backwards?

[2Ts]

Isn't a trans-vaginal ultrasound used for all ultrasounds until the fetus is large enough for a traditional ultrasound?

no, the only reason anyone would order a level two US would be if your blood and urine tests are showing something very wrong with the fetus. Ultrasounds aren't normally performed until 18-21 weeks to measure fetal growth and determine gender if desired

[Dagny]

what is the medical need for an erection?

You will NEVER get anyone to address this issue.

[Vilifier of Zombies]

You will NEVER get anyone to address this issue.

PPPFFFFTTTT....I'll address it.

The alternative is all the advances women have made over the years will be reverted to getting clubbed in the head if men loose interest because they can't get it up anymore.

It's better for women in that they're able to retain their power over men well into their senior years.

[Mainecoons]

I'll address it. There ain't no medical need for a hard on and Viagra sure as hell should not be covered by insurance.

If you can't get a stiffie, learn to live with it. Or pay for your own Viagra.

[Peter1469]

no, the only reason anyone would order a level two US would be if your blood and urine tests are showing something very wrong with the fetus. Ultrasounds aren't normally performed until 18-21 weeks to measure fetal growth and determine gender if desired

Aren't ultra sound always used before an abortion- just to make sure that there is something there to kill?

[Peter1469]

I started out as a 14/16 S - Avenger/Stinger for 4 years
Then 11A for 5 years, it's because of a few JAG guys that I'm in a LL.M. program at this time, without their recommendations I don't think I would've ever been selected.
My wife's still in, 67A


Sounds great!

[2Ts]

Aren't ultra sound always used before an abortion- just to make sure that there is something there to kill?

no. fundus can be palpated externally

[Vilifier of Zombies]

Sounds great!

It'll be great in about four years when my wife finally retires.

[dadakarma]

Last year, when Republicans in Congress threatened to shut down the government unless we stopped funding Planned Parenthood, I had a simple answer: No.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=naP2FbO8_-c

[Dagny]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=naP2FbO8_-c

Yes...the 'small' govt. teabaggers! gotta love em.

[dadakarma]

Yes...the 'small' govt. teabaggers! gotta love em.

I don't need the government in my uterus, thank you. ;)

[Mainecoons]

However, you are perfectly happy to have government force me to pay for your contraceptives and your buddy's viagra, correct?

[dadakarma]

Murkowski Becomes Third Republican Senator To Criticize GOP’s War On Women (http://thinkprogress.org/health/2012/04/06/459702/murkowski-becomes-third-republican-senator-to-criticize-gops-war-on-women/)




The men in the Republican Party may not think (http://thinkprogress.org/special/2012/04/05/458902/reince-priebus-war-on-caterpillars/) they’re fighting a “war on women,” but its female senators certainly do. Yesterday, Sen. Lisa Murkowski (R-AK) joined (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/05/lisa-murkowski-war-on-women_n_1406923.html) Sens. Olympia Snowe (R-ME) (http://thinkprogress.org/health/2012/04/03/457244/snowe-birth-control-controversy-is-a-retro-debate/) and Kay Bailey Hutchison (http://thinkprogress.org/health/2012/03/22/449827/kay-bailey-hutchison-defends-planned-parenthood-says-organization-provided-critical-preventive-care/) in criticizing the GOP’s push for legislation to restrict access to contraception and other basic health care services:


“It makes no sense to make this attack on women,” she said at a local Chamber of Commerce luncheon. “If you don’t feel this is an attack, you need to go home and talk to your wife and your daughters.”


Murkowski — who recently said she regretted her vote (http://thinkprogress.org/health/2012/03/06/438394/murkowski-regrets-voting-for-blunts-religious-conscience-measure-i-have-let-these-women-down/) for the anti-woman Blunt amendment — promised to fight for Planned Parenthood funding and also spoke out against Rush Limbaugh’s attack of Sandra Fluke, adding, “To have those kind of slurs against a woman … you had candidates who want to be our president not say, ‘That’s wrong. That’s offensive.’ They did not condemn the rhetoric.”



The men in the Republican Party may not think (http://thinkprogress.org/special/2012/04/05/458902/reince-priebus-war-on-caterpillars/) they’re fighting a “war on women,” but its female senators certainly do. Yesterday, Sen. Lisa Murkowski (R-AK) joined (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/05/lisa-murkowski-war-on-women_n_1406923.html) Sens. Olympia Snowe (R-ME) (http://thinkprogress.org/health/2012/04/03/457244/snowe-birth-control-controversy-is-a-retro-debate/) and Kay Bailey Hutchison (http://thinkprogress.org/health/2012/03/22/449827/kay-bailey-hutchison-defends-planned-parenthood-says-organization-provided-critical-preventive-care/) in criticizing the GOP’s push for legislation to restrict access to contraception and other basic health care services:
“It makes no sense to make this attack on women,” she said at a local Chamber of Commerce luncheon. “If you don’t feel this is an attack, you need to go home and talk to your wife and your daughters.”

Murkowski — who recently said she regretted her vote (http://thinkprogress.org/health/2012/03/06/438394/murkowski-regrets-voting-for-blunts-religious-conscience-measure-i-have-let-these-women-down/) for the anti-woman Blunt amendment — promised to fight for Planned Parenthood funding and also spoke out against Rush Limbaugh’s attack of Sandra Fluke, adding, “To have those kind of slurs against a woman … you had candidates who want to be our president not say, ‘That’s wrong. That’s offensive.’ They did not condemn the rhetoric.”

[Mister D]

Contraception is widely available. Yawn.

[Alias]

Murkowski Becomes Third Republican Senator To Criticize GOP’s War On Women (http://thinkprogress.org/health/2012/04/06/459702/murkowski-becomes-third-republican-senator-to-criticize-gops-war-on-women/)




The men in the Republican Party may not think (http://thinkprogress.org/special/2012/04/05/458902/reince-priebus-war-on-caterpillars/) they’re fighting a “war on women,” but its female senators certainly do. Yesterday, Sen. Lisa Murkowski (R-AK) joined (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/05/lisa-murkowski-war-on-women_n_1406923.html) Sens. Olympia Snowe (R-ME) (http://thinkprogress.org/health/2012/04/03/457244/snowe-birth-control-controversy-is-a-retro-debate/) and Kay Bailey Hutchison (http://thinkprogress.org/health/2012/03/22/449827/kay-bailey-hutchison-defends-planned-parenthood-says-organization-provided-critical-preventive-care/) in criticizing the GOP’s push for legislation to restrict access to contraception and other basic health care services:
“It makes no sense to make this attack on women,” she said at a local Chamber of Commerce luncheon. “If you don’t feel this is an attack, you need to go home and talk to your wife and your daughters.”

Murkowski — who recently said she regretted her vote (http://thinkprogress.org/health/2012/03/06/438394/murkowski-regrets-voting-for-blunts-religious-conscience-measure-i-have-let-these-women-down/) for the anti-woman Blunt amendment — promised to fight for Planned Parenthood funding and also spoke out against Rush Limbaugh’s attack of Sandra Fluke, adding, “To have those kind of slurs against a woman … you had candidates who want to be our president not say, ‘That’s wrong. That’s offensive.’ They did not condemn the rhetoric.”

That's some funny stuff when you consider the left has been slandering women for the last 4 years. After stuff like Anthony Weiner, Bill Maher, and all the slander directed at Palin, Bachmann and other conservative women, the crocodile tears only amuse.

[Mainecoons]

Could you please cite specifics that prove the GOP is trying to restrict ACCESS to contraception? Do you not understand the difference between restricting ACCESS to something versus restricting access to SOMEONE ELSE'S POCKETBOOK to hand out free medicine of any kind?

BTW, Dada, Murkowski is one of yours. A real RINO just like Bush, whom I'll never understand why you all didn't love dearly. After all he spent money he didn't have, got into unnecesary wars, started new entitlement programs and grew the Federal government faster than anyone since Lyndon Johnson. Yup, sure sounds like one of yours.

:grin:

[Dagny]

Personally, I'm glad the war on contraception is waging.

I was dreadfully worried that the 'word of the year' for '12 was going to be 'vagina'.

[dadakarma]

The Right-Wing War on Women is Much More Real Than You Think


Reince Priebus wants you to believe (http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/david/rnc-chair-gop-war-women-fictional-war-caterp) there's no right-wing war on women, at least not as far as the Republican Party is concerned. But he's not telling you the whole story.


To understand this, you need to look at the festering pit of pathetic maledom that the "men's rights" movement has become in recent years. A recent piece by Arthur Goldwag in the SPLC's Intelligence Report (http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-report/browse-all-issues/2012/spring/a-war-on-women) delves these depths with aplomb:

The men’s movement also includes mail-order-bride shoppers, unregenerate batterers, and wannabe pickup artists who are eager to learn the secrets of “game”—the psychological tricks that supposedly make it easy to seduce women. George Sodini, who confided his seething rage at women to his blog before shooting 12 women, three of them fatally, was one of the latter. Before his 2009 murder spree at a Pittsburgh-area gym, he was a student — though clearly not a very apt one — of R. Don Steele, the author of How to Date Young Women: For Men Over 35. “I dress good, am clean-shaven, bathe, touch of cologne — yet 30 million women rejected me over an 18 or 25-year period,” Sodini wrote with the kind of pathos presumably typical of Steele’s readers.

Some take an inordinate interest in extremely young women, or fetishize what they see as the ultra-feminine (read: docile) characteristics of South American and Asian women. Others, who have internalized Christian “headship” doctrine, are desperately seeking the “submissive” women such doctrine celebrates. Still others are simply sexually awkward, and nonplussed and befuddled by society’s changing mores. The common denominator is their resentment of feminism and of females in general.


And many are quick to endorse violence against women. “There are women, and plenty of them, for which [sic] a solid ass kicking would be the least they deserve,” Paul Elam wrote in an essay with the provocative title, “When is it OK to Punch Your Wife?” “The real question here is not whether these women deserve the business end of a right hook, they obviously do, and some of them deserve one hard enough to leave them in an unconscious, innocuous pile on the ground if it serves to protect the innocent from imminent harm. The real question is whether men deserve to be able to physically defend themselves from assault … from a woman.”

http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiwert/right-wing-war-women-much-more-real-

[Alias]

Yes, folks, there is a war on women. When did it start? I think it was when Obama and his congress bribed those who would not go along and passed Obamacare. Now we have a war on women, blacks are being hunted down and murdered, along with the war on poverty, the republican's war on just about everyone who breathes. It's the republikcans, you stupid people.

[dadakarma]

Anti-Choice Medical Malpractice Shields Threaten to Permanently Alter Medical Care for Women (http://my.firedoglake.com/rhrealitycheck/2012/04/05/anti-choice-medical-malpractice-shields-threaten-to-permanently-alter-medical-care-for-women/)


Both Kansas (http://www.care2.com/causes/kansas-wants-to-shield-doctors-who-lie-to-women-about-abortion.html) and Arizona (http://www.care2.com/causes/arizona-wants-to-protect-doctors-who-lie-to-women.html) are advancing measures that exempt doctors from medical malpractice suits should they withhold medical information in order to prevent a woman from having an abortion. These bills also shield doctors from malpractice claims if a woman suffers an injury from a pregnancy as a result of information withheld from her to prevent an abortion. Georgia (http://www.care2.com/causes/georgia-revives-and-passes-20-week-abortion-ban.html) just snuck a liability shield into their 20-week abortion ban. We can expect more to follow.


In order to successfully prosecute a claim for medical malpractice a plaintiff needs to prove that a medical professional violated the standard of care in delivering medical advice or care. This is no easy task.

Determining what the standard of care is requires an objective look at the standard practices of similar professionals in similar situations and comparing that the the care delivered in the specific case at hand. Expert testimony is almost always required as other medical professional opine as to what course of treatment and advice was indicated given the specifics of a patient’s case.


The standard of care is considered, roughly in legal standards, to be the average care a patient can expect to receive. The care doesn’t need to exceed this standard but it can’t slip below it without it being considered negligence and doctors and hospitals being held liable for any injuries that come from that negligence.
Wrongful birth bills change all this. With these provisions dictating a specific course of treatment in the case of withholding information to drive a particular medical outcome the standard of care is essentially set by legislators. Say goodbye to a community of medical professionals determining best medical practices.

http://my.firedoglake.com/rhrealitycheck/2012/04/05/anti-choice-medical-malpractice-shields-threaten-to-permanently-alter-medical-care-for-women/

[Alias]

Anti-Choice Medical Malpractice Shields Threaten to Permanently Alter Medical Care for Women (http://my.firedoglake.com/rhrealitycheck/2012/04/05/anti-choice-medical-malpractice-shields-threaten-to-permanently-alter-medical-care-for-women/)







http://my.firedoglake.com/rhrealitycheck/2012/04/05/anti-choice-medical-malpractice-shields-threaten-to-permanently-alter-medical-care-for-women/

Specifically, what is your complaint?

[Alias]

Personally, I'm glad the war on contraception is waging.

I was dreadfully worried that the 'word of the year' for '12 was going to be 'vagina'.

Oh yes. When did the "war on women" begin? Who declared war?

[Alias]

So many words of party hack propaganda. So little actual fact. Welcome to progressivism.

[Captain Obvious]

This whole 'war on women' farce wouldn't be an issue if it weren't for the Catholic institution.

I'll stand by my position that, if the Catholic church wants to continue to enjoy a tax exempt status and wants to employ (by law) a diverse workforce, they should NOT be allowed to force their morals on that workforce.

Simple as that. The concept of our employers dictating our morality should be highly alarming to anyone.

[dadakarma]

<<< whackjob alert >>> :grin:


We have this new postcard, we make these little flashy postcards and they don’t really give students the answer but they’re there to raise controversy and drive people to our website where they can find out more information. It says, Planned Parenthood’s plan for you: One, give you the lowest ranked condoms that are available on the market today, the lowest ranked by Consumer Reports condoms, so you think Planned Parenthood’s great, they’re giving you bad condoms, then they’re going to give you birth control that can cause breast cancer, they’re going to give you low-dose birth control, and then they’re going to give you an abortion, and this is their plan to make money.

http://crooksandliars.com/karoli/get-grip-james-dobson

[dadakarma]

Published on Friday, April 6, 2012 by Common Dreams (http://www.commondreams.org/) Recall-Facing Wis. Gov. Walker Continues 'War on Women' With Flurry of Bills
Gov. Walker signed dozens of bills that "turn back the clock on women’s health, safety, wellness and economic security” - Common Dreams staff

Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker, who is facing a June 5 recall election, privately signed a slew of legislation on Thursday that some Democrats see as evidence of an ongoing "war on women."
http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6135/5955049256_f0d98b2c5e_m.jpgWisconsin Gov. Walker (photo: Mark's Postcards from Beloit)

(http://www.flickr.com/photos/oldonliner/5955049256/)

“Instead of a jobs and economic priority from the state legislature, we’ve had a series of bills introduced, passed and now signed into law, that really turn back the clock on women’s health, safety, wellness and economic security,” said Sara Finger with the Wisconsin Alliance for Women's Health.


Among the dozens of bills signed by Walker is a repeal of the state's Equal Pay law, a bill barring abortion coverage through health insurance exchanges, and a repeal of the Healthy Youth Act so that now sex education teachers do not have to teach contraception.


"The reason that Governor Walker signed these anti-women bills in the dark of the night, without public notice, before a holiday weekend, is that he is banking on the fact that women are NOT watching and women will not vote on June 5. In fact, he is betting his job on it," said Tanya Atkinson, Executive Director of Planned Parenthood Advocates of Wisconsin.


The Obama campaign team said today that the legislation was evidence Republicans are willing to "undermine not only women's health care, but also their economic security."

http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2012/04/06-6

[keyser soze]

They're lunatics and spiteful on the face of it. This is the angry white mans revenge against all those libbers they've been taught to hate by the likes of Limbaugh and his ilk. Disgusting. They're also doing everything in their power to disenfranchise voters so they can claim a victory...they'll do anything to gain and keep power.

They...is the Tbagger faction of the GOP...the usurpers, the thugs, the radicals. I don't think much of the GOP but I have no problem with conservatives....the Tbaggers are a mob, in my view, and mindless for the most part. They are tools of the plutocracy.

[Peter1469]

They're lunatics and spiteful on the face of it. This is the angry white mans revenge against all those libbers they've been taught to hate by the likes of Limbaugh and his ilk. Disgusting. They're also doing everything in their power to disenfranchise voters so they can claim a victory...they'll do anything to gain and keep power.

They...is the Tbagger faction of the GOP...the usurpers, the thugs, the radicals. I don't think much of the GOP but I have no problem with conservatives....the Tbaggers are a mob, in my view, and mindless for the most part. They are tools of the plutocracy.


:sleepy5:

[Dagny]

They're lunatics and spiteful on the face of it. This is the angry white mans revenge against all those libbers they've been taught to hate by the likes of Limbaugh and his ilk. Disgusting. They're also doing everything in their power to disenfranchise voters so they can claim a victory...they'll do anything to gain and keep power.

They...is the Tbagger faction of the GOP...the usurpers, the thugs, the radicals. I don't think much of the GOP but I have no problem with conservatives....the Tbaggers are a mob, in my view, and mindless for the most part. They are tools of the plutocracy.
Interesting that the teabag wives (Bachmann, for one), are 'obedient', and no doubt agree with these policies.

Equally interesting, is that the racist wing of the GOP dropped little nuggets about the POTUS, while sending emails around the country instructing the minions to claim 'we aren't racist...YOU are'.

Now, they continue to demean women via horrible legislation, while sending emails instructing the minions to laugh about a so called 'war on women'

This may work for the obedient, Bachmann types. But for the rest?

This is going to be an extremely interesting year.

[Peter1469]

The left is far more racist than the right - a very historical trend.

[keyser soze]

The left is far more racist than the right - a very historical trend.
How can an intelligent man like yourself make such a claim? Is it because you think lending a helping hand is keeping people poor? Otherwise how could you say something so demonstrably untrue?!

[Peter1469]

How can an intelligent man like yourself make such a claim? Is it because you think lending a helping hand is keeping people poor? Otherwise how could you say something so demonstrably untrue?!


But it is true. The left embraces the soft bigotry of low expectations for minorities. Government programs are needed because those colored people can't manage on their own.

I understand that the left can see their racism.

[keyser soze]

Interesting that the teabag wives (Bachmann, for one), are 'obedient', and no doubt agree with these policies.

Equally interesting, is that the racist wing of the GOP dropped little nuggets about the POTUS, while sending emails around the country instructing the minions to claim 'we aren't racist...YOU are'.

Now, they continue to demean women via horrible legislation, while sending emails instructing the minions to laugh about a so called 'war on women'

This may work for the obedient, Bachmann types. But for the rest?

This is going to be an extremely interesting year.
Women of all political persuasions are up in arms....

[keyser soze]

But it is true. The left embraces the soft bigotry of low expectations for minorities. Government programs are needed because those colored people can't manage on their own.

I understand that the left can see their racism.
No they don't but that's the latest effort on the right to persuade everyone it's true...they want to claim the not racists meme...it's hilarious. They aren't fooling anyone who's been paying attention....

[dadakarma]

How can an intelligent man like yourself make such a claim? Is it because you think lending a helping hand is keeping people poor? Otherwise how could you say something so demonstrably untrue?!

You watch Maher, right? Don't the answers here look just like 'Dispatches from the Bubble'? I laugh, then continue posting the truth they hate and deny. :)

[Alias]

You watch Maher, right? Don't the answers here look just like 'Dispatches from the Bubble'? I laugh, then continue posting the truth they hate and deny. :)

What "truth" is being denied?

[Mister D]

It's truly amusung when people who lambast Fox News, Rush Limbaugh, et al admit that they watch Keith Olbermann and Bill Maher. :grin:

[Conley]

I don't think anyone is watching Keith Olbermann these days. Just a hunch. :wink:

[Mister D]

I don't think anyone is watching Keith Olbermann these days. Just a hunch. :wink:

Poor thing got canned. Well, used to watch Olberrmann. :grin:

[Alias]

It's truly amusung when people who lambast Fox News, Rush Limbaugh, et al admit that they watch Keith Olbermann and Bill Maher. :grin:

The lefty drives through life looking into the rear view mirror while driving backwards. Objects in mirror may appear larger or smaller than they really are, depending on the agenda.

[Alias]

You know what passes for lefty dialogue......Jeneane Garaffalo speaking with Keith Olbermann. Anyone ever watch one of those gems?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBWgd2Vbays

[Peter1469]

No they don't but that's the latest effort on the right to persuade everyone it's true...they want to claim the not racists meme...it's hilarious. They aren't fooling anyone who's been paying attention....

Funny, that is what I think about the left.

[dadakarma]

Funny, that is what I think about the left.

You believing the meme about liberals being racist - extremely funny and absurd, I agree.

[Alias]

You believing the meme about liberals being racist - extremely funny and absurd, I agree.

Liberals are race hustlers.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLSzbVfpOxg&amp;feature=fvsr

[Mainecoons]

Well gollee, what we have here is a war on women and an opposing war on the unborn. From the body count, which I think is in the neighborhood of fifty million for the latter war, I'd say your side is winning. I'm sure your proud of that just as you are proud of the beaten up whites and dead blacks in Tulsa as a result of your race baiting.

[keyser soze]

Well gollee, what we have here is a war on women and an opposing war on the unborn. From the body count, which I think is in the neighborhood of fifty million for the latter war, I'd say your side is winning. I'm sure your proud of that just as you are proud of the beaten up whites and dead blacks in Tulsa as a result of your race baiting.
Make sure you count all those menstruating women...oops there goes another one!! You need to get of that soap box...it's really none of your business what goes on in a womans body or peoples marriages.

[Peter1469]

You believing the meme about liberals being racist - extremely funny and absurd, I agree.


The left = racism.

[Mainecoons]

Did I get the body count wrong? Silly me. And gollee, I flunked biology as I thought that unfertilized eggs were just that.

You sure aren't a very gracious winner in the war against the unborn. I've ceded the field to you and retreated in complete defeat. Isn't that sufficient? As a libertarian I am supporting your right to murder the unborn. I'd like to see equal time given to those who would inform you as to what really happens when you do this but I sure don't want government telling you you can't kill your kids.

:grin:

[Alias]

Make sure you count all those menstruating women...oops there goes another one!! You need to get of that soap box...it's really none of your business what goes on in a womans body or peoples marriages.

If it's none of our business, then why do you want us to pay for it?

[Mainecoons]

Because our money is actually THEIR'S stupid!

LOL Point goes to Alias.

[keyser soze]

My gawd you people whine all day every day...

[Mainecoons]

Gosh Keyser, is that the best rebuttal you can come up with?

:grin:

[Alias]

My gawd you people whine all day every day...

http://us.f450.mail.yahoo.com/ya/download?mid=1_6049_AJzFtEQAAUvQT4MWsgxu02Gyc98&pid=2&fid=Inbox&inline=1&appid=YahooMailNeoCL

[Alias]

http://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Car/b/Foden20120409-Liberty20120409041337.jpg

[dadakarma]

Sexist Moron of the Day: Glenn Grothman
Wisconsin State Senator Says Women Are Paid Less Because ‘Money Is More Important For Men’ (http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2012/04/09/460917/wisconsin-state-senator-money-less-important-wome/)Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker (R) quietly repealed (http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2012/04/06/460038/scott-walker-gender-pay/) his state’s equal pay law last week, a decision that will make it harder for victims of wage discrimination to sue for lost earnings and back wages. The law was enacted primarily to address the massive pay gap that exists between male and female workers, which is even bigger in Wisconsin than in other states.

Repealing the law was a no-brainer for state Sen. Glenn Grothman (R), who led the effort because of his belief that pay discrimination is a myth driven by liberal women’s groups. Ignoring multiple studies showing that the pay gap exists, Grothman blamed females for prioritizing childrearing and homemaking instead of money, saying, “Money is more important for men (http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/04/07/wisconsin-s-repeal-of-equal-pay-rights-adds-to-battles-for-women.html),” The Daily Beast reports:


Whatever gaps exist, he insists, stem from women’s decision to prioritize childrearing over their careers. “Take a hypothetical husband and wife who are both lawyers,” he says. “But the husband is working 50 or 60 hours a week, going all out, making 200 grand a year. The woman takes time off, raises kids, is not go go go. Now they’re 50 years old. The husband is making 200 grand a year, the woman is making 40 grand a year. It wasn’t discrimination. There was a different sense of urgency in each person.” [...]

http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2012/04/09/460917/wisconsin-state-senator-money-less-important-wome/

:rofl:

[Alias]

Are women dying in the streets from the war? Where is this war taking place? Kinda quiet in my neck of the woods.

[Mister D]

Whatever gaps exist, he insists, stem from women’s decision to prioritize childrearing over their careers.


Right.

[wingrider]

Sexist Moron of the Day: Glenn Grothman
Wisconsin State Senator Says Women Are Paid Less Because ‘Money Is More Important For Men’ (http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2012/04/09/460917/wisconsin-state-senator-money-less-important-wome/)

Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker (R) quietly repealed (http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2012/04/06/460038/scott-walker-gender-pay/) his state’s equal pay law last week, a decision that will make it harder for victims of wage discrimination to sue for lost earnings and back wages. The law was enacted primarily to address the massive pay gap that exists between male and female workers, which is even bigger in Wisconsin than in other states.

Repealing the law was a no-brainer for state Sen. Glenn Grothman (R), who led the effort because of his belief that pay discrimination is a myth driven by liberal women’s groups. Ignoring multiple studies showing that the pay gap exists, Grothman blamed females for prioritizing childrearing and homemaking instead of money, saying, “Money is more important for men (http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/04/07/wisconsin-s-repeal-of-equal-pay-rights-adds-to-battles-for-women.html),” The Daily Beast reports:


Whatever gaps exist, he insists, stem from women’s decision to prioritize childrearing over their careers. “Take a hypothetical husband and wife who are both lawyers,” he says. “But the husband is working 50 or 60 hours a week, going all out, making 200 grand a year. The woman takes time off, raises kids, is not go go go. Now they’re 50 years old. The husband is making 200 grand a year, the woman is making 40 grand a year. It wasn’t discrimination. There was a different sense of urgency in each person.” [...]

http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2012/04/09/460917/wisconsin-state-senator-money-less-important-wome/

:rofl:
simple solution... don't move to wisconsin ,, and if you already live there .. move out. like the man says if you don't like the movie walk out

[wingrider]

On CNN’s “State of the Union” on Sunday, Congressional Black Caucus chairman Emanuel Cleaver took issue with claims that Republicans are waging a “war on women,” calling the charge “wrong.”

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/04/08/black-caucus-chair-condemns-dem-charges-gop-is-waging-a-war-on-women/#ixzz1rgbuYM7q the Black Caucus says the dems are lying on the war with women charge.

[dadakarma]

Meet The Romney Campaign’s Anti-Women Surrogates (http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/04/12/463276/meet-the-romney-campaigns-anti-women-surrogates/)



http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/Romney-Trump-300x194.jpg




Donald Trump: The flamboyant reality show star is “a top Mitt Romney surrogate (http://www.politico.com/playbook/0312/playbook1713.html)” according to Politico’s Mike Allen. Trump recorded robo-calls supporting Romney in primary states and he participated in “a ton of talk radio for Romney in Michigan, Arizona and Ohio.” Trump also has a long history of sexism, including telling the male contestants on his reality show to “rate the women (http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/fired_losers_lash_sexist_trump_43tgVn8YAk5S0K5zjKP 4BP)” contestants on how sexually attractive they are. Calling TV personality Rosie O’Donnell a “big, fat pig” and an “animal,” (http://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/column-anna-holmes-on-donald-trumps-sexism/2011/04/21/AFmSfEHF_story.html) after she criticized Trump. And, just this month, offering to expose his “very, very impress[ive]” penis (http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2012/04/04/457989/top-romney-surrogate-donald-trump-offers-to-expose-his-very-very-impressive-genitals/) to a top woman attorney. The top Romney surrogate, however, is also quite unfazed by criticism of his sexism. As he told Esquire in 1991, “it doesn’t really matter what [the media] write as long as you’ve got a young and beautiful piece of [expletive] (http://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/column-anna-holmes-on-donald-trumps-sexism/2011/04/21/AFmSfEHF_story_1.html).”

Bay Buchanan: Yesterday, in an attempt to overcome Romney’s weak poll numbers with women voters, the Romney campaign hosted Bay Buchanan (http://thinkprogress.org/progress-report/) on a press call as an official campaign surrogate. Bay, the sister of disgraced former TV pundit Pat Buchanan (http://thinkprogress.org/media/2012/02/17/427875/why-msnbc-dumped-pat-buchanan-his-10-most-outrageous-statements/), has a long history of opposition to women’s rights (http://www.politico.com/blogs/burns-haberman/2012/04/romney-surrogate-bay-buchanans-past-criticism-of-womens-120255.html#.T4XnbSWC7j4.twitter). In a 2003 speech on the “four failures” of feminism, Bay Buchanan claimed that women are being “sold a bill of goods” when they pursue careers instead of having children, and she compared modern women to “alleycats” with respect to sex.

Robert Bork: Former judge and failed Supreme Court nominee Robert Bork is the co-chair of Romney’s “Judicial Advisory Committee.” Bork opposed the Civil Rights Act of 1964, which bans employment and other discrimination against women, calling the idea that laws can require private companies to cease discriminating a “principle of unsurpassed ugliness (http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2011/08/03/286134/romney-bork-unsurpassed-ugliness/).” More recently, the top Romney legal advisor mocked the very idea that gender discrimination even exists. In Bork’s words, “[i]t seems to me silly to say, ‘Gee, they’re discriminated against and we need to do something about it.’ They aren’t discriminated against anymore.”



http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/04/12/463276/meet-the-romney-campaigns-anti-women-surrogates/

[Alias]

Meet The Romney Campaign’s Anti-Women Surrogates (http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/04/12/463276/meet-the-romney-campaigns-anti-women-surrogates/)



http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/Romney-Trump-300x194.jpg






http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/04/12/463276/meet-the-romney-campaigns-anti-women-surrogates/

Whoopi Goldberg defended Mrs. Romney on the view.

[Mainecoons]

I gotta hand it to The Donald though. For being anti-woman he sure seems to get some hot ones.

Of course it helps that he avoids liberal women:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15djjf0j9no

[dadakarma]

^ unwatched

[Mainecoons]

You're probably in the video as one of the liberals.

:rofl:

[Mister D]

You're probably in the video as one of the liberals.

:rofl:

:grin:

[dadakarma]

...uh...uh..uh...

:old:

:roflmao:

[Mainecoons]

96

[dadakarma]

^ thanks for the bump! :)

[Mainecoons]

Wow, another brilliant rebuttal. Guys we may as well give it up now and give the board to Dada. You just can't fight this kind of incisive thinking and logic.

:grin:

[dadakarma]

...blah, blah, blah...er, uh....



:old:

:roflmao:

[Mainecoons]

Wow, creative too. Could you show us how you do that brilliant cut and paste there? I'm too senile to figure it out.

:grin:

[dadakarma]

I'm so stupid I can't figure out that I'm bumping the thread I'm trying to derail...uh...uh...der...


:old:

:roflmao:

[Mainecoons]

Ah, a little creativity! Finally!

BTW, I see that like a good liberal you like to make it up and lie when it suits your purpose. In this case, you don't have anything of substance to say having been thoroughly shot down so . . . . LET'S TRY AMATEUR AD HOM.

And we do mean amateur.

Carry on! :grin:

[Mister D]

Derail? Good Lord some people take this stuff too seriously. Grandma, no one is trying to derail your thread. They're just making fun of you. :smiley:

[dadakarma]

...uh....er...ummm...blah, blah, blah....can't help myself, I have to respond to you....




:old:

:roflmao:

[Mister D]

Seriously, a war on women's health? :laugh: I hate women's health! :angry:

[Peter1469]

:laugh:

No such animal. It is a wedge issue created by the dems.

[keyser soze]

Sure it is...

[wingrider]

the only war is this:

" I want free contraceptives"

which means you all want others to pay for your condoms instead of shelling out 50 cents of your own money.

[Dagny]

the only war is this:

" I want free contraceptives"

which means you all want others to pay for your condoms instead of shelling out 50 cents of your own money.

Yea...that's what this is about.

And republicans voting against equal pay for women

[Mainecoons]

You forgot the free abortions, wing. Glad Dagny finally figured out what Obama's war on women is all about.

No, genius, conservatives don't want an out of control government telling people what to pay other people. Probably too subtle for you to understand since you persist in the delusion that government can fix everything.

[Dagny]

You forgot the free abortions, wing. Glad Dagny finally figured out what Obama's war on women is all about.

No, genius, conservatives don't want an out of control government telling people what to pay other people. Probably too subtle for you to understand since you persist in the delusion that government can fix everything.As opposed to your delusion that the free market can?

[Mainecoons]

It used to do quite a nice job of that. You are probably too young and stupid to notice this or remember.

[Dagny]

It used to do quite a nice job of that. You are probably too young and stupid to notice this or remember.

Operative term 'used to'. In your case, the operative term is 'stupid'.

[Mainecoons]

Yes, before the government stifled the private economy, it easily paid for a couple of world wars and an unprecedented boom in the middle class. I can see you missed that part since you either slept through history and don't understand econ 101 so good.

Now go take your meds, punk.

[Dagny]

Yes, before the government stifled the private economy, it easily paid for a couple of world wars and an unprecedented boom in the middle class. I can see you missed that part since you either slept through history and don't understand econ 101 so good.

Now go take your meds, punk.
What decade are you living in?

[Mister D]

Sure it is...

Women's health is finished. It's on now! :angry:

[wingrider]

Yea...that's what this is about.

And republicans voting against equal pay for women ummm... you might want to check out the disparity of pay for women in Obamas administration before you make a complete fool of yourself

[Dagny]

ummm... you might want to check out the disparity of pay for women in Obamas administration before you make a complete fool of yourself

What has that got to do with republicans not allowing equal pay legislation to come to a vote?

[Mainecoons]

ummm... you might want to check out the disparity of pay for women in Obamas administration before you make a complete fool of yourself

Yer too late Wing, he's already done that quite a number of times here.

:rofl:

[wingrider]

I was really trying to help him out... but I guess it is to late for that.. sorry

[wingrider]

What has that got to do with republicans not allowing equal pay legislation to come to a vote? why do we even have to LEGISLATE equal pay.. that should be a given? it seems to me Obama should get his own house in order and pay those women in his employ equal to what he is paying the men before they start denigrating republicans .. to do otherwise is kind of hippocritical,

[keyser soze]

What has that got to do with republicans not allowing equal pay legislation to come to a vote?
Or doing away with legislation that would allow women to sue for equal pay as was done by the ALEC RWA gov. of Wisconsin.

[Dagny]

why do we even have to LEGISLATE equal pay.. that should be a given? it seems to me Obama should get his own house in order and pay those women in his employ equal to what he is paying the men before they start denigrating republicans .. to do otherwise is kind of hippocritical,
You're going to have to do better than some general claim that was made on Fox News.

Are you claiming that females who hold the identical position as males in the WH, are getting paid less?

[Stoney]

There are many young men and women working identical jobs while receiving less in pay than older, more senior workers, and in some cases the older, more senior workers may be producing less. Maybe we need to pass a law to pay everyone who is doing similar work the same wage or salary.

[keyser soze]

That isn't what we're talking about Stoney..which part of being paid .75 on the 1$ don't you understand?

[Stoney]

Of course it is. New union employees are routinely paid $.75 on the dollar, or less.

US Postal Carriers start out at about $13/hr and the old timers get better than $20/hr. What's fair about that?

[Stoney]

So who decides where "merit pay" is appropriate and where its not? For instance, in the US Postal Service a carrier age 18 might receive $13/hr while someone age 28 might get $20/hr. I don't see that as, "a truly great society respects/cares for the elderly."

"Are you saying that the claims about Obama's WH are not based in fact? Or are they 'Fox' facts?"

No.

[Stoney]

I said "old timers" to show that they may be less productive. But I'm posting the facts as they occur. I know about the Postal Service. I doubt other unions are much different.

[dadakarma]

Does Mitt Romney Support Paid Sick Days? (http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2012/04/14/464382/romney-paid-sick-days/) By Guest Blogger posted from ThinkProgress Economy (http://thinkprogress.org/economy/issue/) on Apr 14, 2012 at 10:30 am
Our guest blogger is Melissa Boteach (http://www.americanprogress.org/experts/BoteachMelissa.html), Director of the Half in Ten project at the Center for American Progress Action Fund.
http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/romney0413.jpgRaising children is hard work. And no one is arguing that Ann Romney — who has been the center of attention since Democratic strategist Hillary Rosen contended that she “never worked a day in her life” — or any other stay-at-home mom doesn’t deserve our respect. But the question is not whether child-rearing is work. It’s whether the policies championed by the candidates afford the same respect and deference to the moms who have no choice but to balance the demands of being a breadwinner with the demands of motherhood.


Ann Romney has tweeted, “All moms are entitled to choose their path (https://twitter.com/#%21/anndromney).” But unfortunately for low-wage working moms and nearly half of private sector workers, the” choice” is either “go to work and send my sick kid to school” or “stay at home with my sick child and risk losing my job or needed income.” That’s a choice no parent should have to make. Does Mitt Romney agree?


Women are now half of all workers on U.S. payrolls and breadwinners or co-breadwinners in nearly two-thirds of all families (http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/2009/10/womans_nation.html/#breadwinners). Their incomes are sorely needed to provide basic economic security for their families.


Yet the U.S. also faces high rates of work-family conflict (http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/2010/01/three_faces_report.html) with few laws to support working families. One of the biggest culprits is workers’ lack of paid sick days to care for themselves, an elderly parent, or a sick kid – an issue that has been largely absent in the election debates.


Forty percent of private sector workers and 80 percent of low-wage workers (http://paidsickdays.nationalpartnership.org/site/PageServer?pagename=psd_toolkit_quickfacts) do not have a single, paid sick day to recover from a short-term illness or to provide care for their loved ones. This leads to impossible choices for moms in the sandwich generation who are often working while serving as the main caregiver for an aging parent or school-age children. Missing just three days of work (http://paidsickdays.nationalpartnership.org/site/PageServer?pagename=psd_toolkit_quickfacts) to care for a kid with chicken pox would mean losing the entire month’s healthcare budget for the average two worker, two child family without access to paid sick days.


Paid sick days legislation would enable workers to accrue paid sick leave and provide for provisions to help employers manage. It also makes economic sense as it costs businesses more in lost worker productivity (http://crywolfproject.org/sites/default/files/Presenteeism__Cornell_Study.pdf) to have sick employees come in, than it would cost to offer paid time off in the first place.


President Obama has come out in favor of such legislation. Mitt Romney, who claims to understand the plight of working people, has been silent.

[Alias]

I think a business should form their own policies and benefit packages, not the govt.

[Stoney]

I know about the Postal Service as well. Pay rates rise as time goes by in every field.. If, after 10 years of service, new employees started at your wage, you wouldn't expect a raise? To the point of THIS thread...should a female employee get the same pay as a male?

The real question being asked is do females, or any other group, have a right to a pay rate enforced by government. I don't see that as the governments job.

[Peter1469]

If one male and one female business major grad, both with 4.0s are offered the same job title with ABC corps, and if the female negotiated a higher starting salary than the male, should the government step in and force the ABC corps to make their salaries =?

That seems to be what people are advocating.

[Peter1469]

When that happens, we'll get back to you


Nice dodge. So just to fit your stereotype flip my hypo. The man bargains for more and the woman took the first offer.

What say you?

[Peter1469]

I see. So in this game, only one of us gets to use hypotheticals?

Are you concerned with unequal wages in general, or just when it looks like a woman is getting paid less? What is your solution? Some sort of government mandate to control wages?

[Alias]

I see. So in this game, only one of us gets to use hypotheticals?

Use some common sense and you'll be equal.

[dadakarma]

Romney Adviser Ed Gillespie Struggles To Defend Campaign’s Major Economic Claim (http://thinkprogress.org/special/2012/04/15/464654/ed-gillespie-economics-struggle/)
Mitt Romney senior adviser Ed Gillespie struggled to defend his campaign’s central piece of evidence supporting its claim that President Obama is waging a war on women today. The claim — that 92 percent (http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/04/11/romney-on-dems-war-on-women/) of jobs lost under Obama where lost by women — has been called highly misleading and “mostly false” by Politifact (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/apr/10/mitt-romney/romney-campaign-says-women-were-hit-hard-job-losse/) (twice (http://www.politico.com/blogs/burns-haberman/2012/04/romney-campaign-asks-politifact-for-a-correction-120262.html)), the Washington Post’s fact checker (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/are-obamas-job-policies-hurting-women/2012/04/09/gIQAGz3q6S_blog.html), an AP fact checker (http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_JOBLESS_WOMEN_FACT_CHECK?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2012-04-11-18-40-37), and even the rabidly conservative Daily Caller (http://thinkprogress.org/special/2012/04/11/462921/even-the-daily-caller-debunks-romneys-attack-on-obama-about-women/).

Even Fox News Sunday host Chris Wallace saw the problem with the claim and pressed Gillespie when he mentioned the figure this morning. “It is not true,” Wallace said of the larger Romney argument, calling the 92 percent figure a “little bit of an accounting trick” and noting that “all the independent fact checkers have said it’s misleading.”


The best defense Gillespie could muster was to claim that some of the economists quoted by the Washington Post’s fact checker were liberal. Watch it:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&amp;v=tpieQQR8aWQ


Gillespie doesn’t even attempt to defend the substance of the claim because there is little substance to it.


The 92 percent figure obscures the fact that many more men than women lost jobs in the recession, as Wallaces forces Gillespie to admit. The key is timing. Men tend to be concentrated in industries that were hit first, like construction, so they lost their jobs first, while women tend to be contracted in the public sector, which had layoffs later on when state and local governments slashed their budgets.


In fact, it was Republican lawmakers and governors who led this effort, accounting for over 70 of percent state layoffs, so Romney’s claim is effectively blaming Obama for policies that Romney supports (http://thinkprogress.org/special/2012/04/13/464190/romney-women-public-sector/) (cutting government workforces).

http://thinkprogress.org/special/2012/04/15/464654/ed-gillespie-economics-struggle/

[Peter1469]

Obama may or may not be waging a war on women. But he is certainly waging a war on the USD and economic sense.

[keyser soze]

Too bad you weren't around to complain during the 8 years of Bush/Cheney/Rove etc. that crashed the worlds economy....not just ours...the worlds...too bad those bad boys on wall street are still walking around will millions in their pockets...and the big corporations don't pay any taxes...none....

[Peter1469]

Too bad you weren't around to complain during the 8 years of Bush/Cheney/Rove etc. that crashed the worlds economy....not just ours...the worlds...too bad those bad boys on wall street are still walking around will millions in their pockets...and the big corporations don't pay any taxes...none....

I left the GOP because Bush couldn't / wouldn't control spending. Now your boy blows into town and doubles down.

[wingrider]

Too bad you weren't around to complain during the 8 years of Bush/Cheney/Rove etc. that crashed the worlds economy....not just ours...the worlds...too bad those bad boys on wall street are still walking around will millions in their pockets...and the big corporations don't pay any taxes...none....
oh bull. Bush had nothing to do with the crash in europe, it is their own failed social policies that crashed them and are still crashing them. our problem was fighting to mnny needless wars and and people being allowed to buy homes they couldn't afford thanks to Frank and Dowd..

[wingrider]

I left the GOP because Bush couldn't / wouldn't control spending. Now your boy blows into town and doubles down.
right on the money ..

[Peter1469]

You are correct. Europe's economic problems are different than the US economic problems.