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Ravi
04-30-2014, 09:17 AM
“My denomination — the United Church of Christ — authorizes me to perform these ceremonies,” said a North Carolina minister. “But Amendment One denies my religious freedom by prohibiting me from exercising this right.”

http://www.buzzfeed.com/tonymerevick/church-files-suit-for-right-to-perform-same-sex-marriages-in

Captain Obvious
04-30-2014, 09:31 AM
I sense some dumbfuckery in play.

Religious marriage <> legal marriage

Kabuki Joe
04-30-2014, 09:33 AM
“My denomination — the United Church of Christ — authorizes me to perform these ceremonies,” said a North Carolina minister. “But Amendment One denies my religious freedom by prohibiting me from exercising this right.”

http://www.buzzfeed.com/tonymerevick/church-files-suit-for-right-to-perform-same-sex-marriages-in


...it's amazing how all the Christians use the same book yet they all have different ideas of what that book says...ravi, you and junie need to bookmark that church just in case...

junie
04-30-2014, 10:08 AM
“My denomination — the United Church of Christ — authorizes me to perform these ceremonies,” said a North Carolina minister. “But Amendment One denies my religious freedom by prohibiting me from exercising this right.”

http://www.buzzfeed.com/tonymerevick/church-files-suit-for-right-to-perform-same-sex-marriages-in



interesting. that's a legal angle that hasn't been tried before as far as i know...

no doubt inspired by religious conservatives pushing for their religious freedom.


news flash there are also religious liberals and liberal religions!

pity all the fundamentalist numbskulls will be further confused as if their religion is at risk of being forced to perform gay marriages...

it's a common fear tactic however untrue!

Captain Obvious
04-30-2014, 10:11 AM
interesting. that's a legal angle that hasn't been tried before as far as i know...

no doubt inspired by religious conservatives pushing for their religious freedom.


news flash there are also religious liberals and liberal religions!

pity all the fundamentalist numbskulls will be further confused as if their religion is at risk of being forced to perform gay marriages...

it's a common fear tactic however untrue!

Yeah, it smacks of political agenda push of some sort.

Chris
04-30-2014, 10:35 AM
But it's a private matter.

Ravi
04-30-2014, 10:48 AM
I sense some dumbfuckery in play.

Religious marriage <> legal marriage
No, it isn't, but maybe this is why they are suing:


State law says it is a misdemeanor crime for ministers to perform a marriage ceremony without having a marriage license for a couple.

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2014/04/28/4871111/united-church-of-christ-sues-over.html

1751_Texan
04-30-2014, 10:48 AM
Yeah, it smacks of political agenda push of some sort.


Churches push political agendas all the time...every hear John Hagee?

junie
04-30-2014, 10:51 AM
No, it isn't, but maybe this is why they are suing:



http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2014/04/28/4871111/united-church-of-christ-sues-over.html


aaaah! i was wondering how the religion could make that claim since they are still free to perform the ceremony... now it makes more sense.


"State law says it is a misdemeanor crime for ministers to perform a marriage ceremony without having a marriage license for a couple."

countryboy
04-30-2014, 10:53 AM
Churches push political agendas all the time...every hear John Hagee?
Or Jeremiah Wright?

Chris
04-30-2014, 11:08 AM
The legal ban has nothing to do with performing a ceremony.

Ravi
04-30-2014, 11:29 AM
The legal ban has nothing to do with performing a ceremony.
Link?

Chris
04-30-2014, 11:32 AM
Link?

Link showing connection between ceremony and license?

The state bans licensing gay marriage, it can't ban a church performing the ceremony.

Ravi
04-30-2014, 11:38 AM
§ 51-6. Solemnization without license unlawful.
No minister, officer, or any other person authorized to solemnize a marriage under the laws of this State shall perform a ceremony of marriage between a man and woman, or shall declare them to be husband and wife, until there is delivered to that person a license for the marriage of the said persons, signed by the register of deeds of the county in which the marriage license was issued or by a lawful deputy or assistant. There must be at least two witnesses to the marriage ceremony.
Whenever a man and woman have been lawfully married in accordance with the laws of the state in which the marriage ceremony took place, and said marriage was performed by a magistrate or some other civil official duly authorized to perform such ceremony, and the parties thereafter wish to confirm their marriage vows before an ordained minister or minister authorized by a church, or in a ceremony recognized by any religious denomination, federally or State recognized Indian Nation or Tribe, nothing herein shall be deemed to prohibit such confirmation ceremony; provided, however, that such confirmation ceremony shall not be deemed in law to be a marriage ceremony, such confirmation ceremony shall in no way affect the validity or invalidity of the prior marriage ceremony performed by a civil official, no license for such confirmation ceremony shall be issued by a register of deeds, and no record of such confirmation ceremony may be kept by a register of deeds. (1871-2, c. 193, s. 4; Code, s. 1813; Rev., s. 2086; C.S., s. 2498; 1957, c. 1261; 1959, c. 338; 1967, c. 957, ss. 6, 9; 1977, c. 592, s. 2; 2001-62, s. 6.)

http://www.ncga.state.nc.us/EnactedLegislation/Statutes/HTML/BySection/Chapter_51/GS_51-6.html

Chris
04-30-2014, 11:45 AM
Thanks! Lousy law then. State has no business meddling in church business, let alone marriage.

Captain Obvious
04-30-2014, 12:45 PM
Or Jeremiah Wright?

Or the Catholic Church?

This is where our legislators fail, the IRS needs to be challenging all of their NFP statuses. NFP's cannot lobby.