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Libhater
05-02-2014, 10:12 PM
Poll shows that 2/3rds of Americans think Democrats are Communists.

http://www.debate.org/opinions/are-democrats-communists

Dr. Who
05-02-2014, 11:29 PM
Poll shows that 2/3rds of Americans think Democrats are Communists.

http://www.debate.org/opinions/are-democrats-communists
Well the poll shows that 2/3rds of the people who patronize that website have that belief. That is not necessarily a true reflection of the population at large.

Spectre
05-02-2014, 11:37 PM
I think that a sizable majority of people who vote Democrat, if they have parts of the CPUSA platform read to them, would enthusiastically applaud them. They are merely more strongly-worded liberal-Democratic positions. You doubt me? Why not have a look for yourself:

http://www.cpusa.org/faq/

MrJimmyDale
05-02-2014, 11:39 PM
I think that 2/3's of Democrats are stupid.

Spectre
05-02-2014, 11:43 PM
I think that 2/3's of Democrats are stupid.

I'll go you one better:

I think 80%+ of EVERYone are dumb as a bag of hammers.

MrJimmyDale
05-02-2014, 11:44 PM
I'll go you one better:

I think 80%+ of EVERYone is dumb as a bag of hammers.

I think that you are being conservative

Green Arrow
05-03-2014, 02:33 AM
2/3rds of Americans have no idea what communism is, clearly. At most, Democrats are centrists, neither right nor left, but a mix of both.

kilgram
05-03-2014, 02:45 AM
Poll shows that 2/3rds of Americans think Democrats are Communists.

http://www.debate.org/opinions/are-democrats-communists
No, they are not in any way.

Peter1469
05-03-2014, 02:46 AM
2/3rds of Americans have no idea what communism is, clearly. At most, Democrats are centrists, neither right nor left, but a mix of both.

America does things different from the rest of the world. We soften it. That is what we have done with both communism and fascism. Although a lot more successfully with fascism (our progressive movement). We also Americanize ethnic foods.

Green Arrow
05-03-2014, 04:58 AM
America does things different from the rest of the world. We soften it. That is what we have done with both communism and fascism. Although a lot more successfully with fascism (our progressive movement). We also Americanize ethnic foods.

I don't disagree there, but communism had to be hella softened to be any resemblance to what we have. What we have is social democracy.

Refugee
05-03-2014, 05:33 AM
I don't disagree there, but communism had to be hella softened to be any resemblance to what we have. What we have is social democracy.

I’d say what you have are the beginnings of Liberal fascism/corporatism played off as socialism. The terminology changes as communism (Marxism) becomes progressivism, (cultural Marxism) and you’re increasing welfare State and Federal government interference should warn you of that, as should the amount of ex-communists/ progressives in your government.

nathanbforrest45
05-03-2014, 07:59 AM
Democrats are collectivist who believe government is the answer and its only by having an elite "First Among Equals" can humanity achieve its full potential. They, like the Borg, believe in the power of the hive controlled by one queen bee. Communist are also collectivist but believe that ultimately there will be no state and no elite. Both abhor individualism and the self.

patrickt
05-03-2014, 09:08 AM
I love the word games by the leftists to avoid words like communist. To describe Democrats today as centrists is ludicrous and dishonest. I did enjoy reading this morning that Democrat Mark Pryor of Arkansas describes himself as an "extreme moderate". The word games never end. I suppose "left-wing Democrat" wouldn't play well in Arkansas.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/mark-pryors-challenge-will-arkansas-keep-a-democratic-senator-with-no-big-crusades/2014/05/01/38b6fc62-cd8b-11e3-93eb-6c0037dde2ad_story.html

But, it is all relative so I suppose for a Communist, a Democrat might be a centrist. For a communist, a Democrat would be an ally, a fellow traveler, a comrade.

Ishmael Pequod
05-03-2014, 09:29 AM
Leftists lie. That's all you need to know.

kilgram
05-03-2014, 09:51 AM
Leftists lie. That's all you need to know.

And rightist no. They never lie....

kilgram
05-03-2014, 09:53 AM
I love the word games by the leftists to avoid words like communist. To describe Democrats today as centrists is ludicrous and dishonest. I did enjoy reading this morning that Democrat Mark Pryor of Arkansas describes himself as an "extreme moderate". The word games never end. I suppose "left-wing Democrat" wouldn't play well in Arkansas.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/mark-pryors-challenge-will-arkansas-keep-a-democratic-senator-with-no-big-crusades/2014/05/01/38b6fc62-cd8b-11e3-93eb-6c0037dde2ad_story.html

But, it is all relative so I suppose for a Communist, a Democrat might be a centrist. For a communist, a Democrat would be an ally, a fellow traveler, a comrade.

So that guy is a fascist. Extrems moderate or extreme center is what in Spain call the fascists or rightist.

Ishmael Pequod
05-03-2014, 10:08 AM
And rightist no. They never lie....

Give us an example.

Peter1469
05-03-2014, 10:15 AM
I don't disagree there, but communism had to be hella softened to be any resemblance to what we have. What we have is social democracy.

Communism in the US is fringe. Sorry Polly!

kilgram
05-03-2014, 11:46 AM
Give us an example.

Bush, Hayek, Friedman, Nixon,... Fraud in Florida...

And well, in Spain the whole government.

Ishmael Pequod
05-03-2014, 11:50 AM
Bush, Hayek, Friedman, Nixon,... Fraud in Florida...

And well, in Spain the whole government.

Yes, Nixon lied and did the honorable thing and resigned. Democrats have to be forced out after they blame everyone else.

What fraud in Florida are you referring to?

patrickt
05-03-2014, 12:12 PM
Kilgram, in English "extreme moderate" would be called an oxymoron.

Green Arrow
05-03-2014, 03:43 PM
I love the word games by the leftists to avoid words like communist. To describe Democrats today as centrists is ludicrous and dishonest. I did enjoy reading this morning that Democrat Mark Pryor of Arkansas describes himself as an "extreme moderate". The word games never end. I suppose "left-wing Democrat" wouldn't play well in Arkansas.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/mark-pryors-challenge-will-arkansas-keep-a-democratic-senator-with-no-big-crusades/2014/05/01/38b6fc62-cd8b-11e3-93eb-6c0037dde2ad_story.html

But, it is all relative so I suppose for a Communist, a Democrat might be a centrist. For a communist, a Democrat would be an ally, a fellow traveler, a comrade.

They aren't word games, they are facts. I recognize that you don't much like using words for their actual meaning, because it's awful inconvenient, but it's also ignorant.

Ishmael Pequod
05-03-2014, 03:52 PM
America is now an oligarchy.

Peter1469
05-03-2014, 03:56 PM
America is now an oligarchy.

I would agree with that. A two party system beholden to corporate interests created it.

The Sage of Main Street
05-03-2014, 04:10 PM
Kilgram, in English "extreme moderate" would be called an oxymoron. You don't know what oxymoron really means, only what the media's ambitious imbeciles tell you what it means. Those on-air airheads only started using it because it makes them sound educated. Instead of actually educating themselves about its meaning, they used it to replace the difficult-to-say "contradiction in terms." When a truly educated person calls something an "oxymoron," he is complimenting it by saying it is a clever way of saying something. But because it sounds like something said by a moron, the Diploma Dumbos use it to criticize a phrase.

The Sage of Main Street
05-03-2014, 04:27 PM
America is now an oligarchy.

It is a hereditary aristocracy, based on worth and not birth. Its house niggers, pathetic wannabes, achieve fulfillment when they can pass on their brown-nosing class-climbing loot to their soft, spoiled, and ignorant brats, further entrenching Heirhead dominance until there are no opportunities left for anyone not born in the loop, which is a noose around America. The French should have given us the guillotine, without which the Statue of Liberty is worthless.

Ishmael Pequod
05-03-2014, 04:32 PM
I would agree with that. A two party system beholden to corporate interests created it.

Yes, the political elites in both parties. Crony capitalism. That's why the Tea Party.

patrickt
05-03-2014, 08:08 PM
They aren't word games, they are facts. I recognize that you don't much like using words for their actual meaning, because it's awful inconvenient, but it's also ignorant.

And I realize that like most leftists, you like to make words mean what you want them to mean at the moment.

Bob
05-03-2014, 08:12 PM
Yes, the political elites in both parties. Crony capitalism. That's why the Tea Party.

The Tea Party is also the Republican party.

kilgram
05-03-2014, 08:16 PM
and i realize that like most leftists, you like to make words mean what you want them to mean at the moment.
lol.

Green Arrow
05-03-2014, 08:27 PM
And I realize that like most leftists, you like to make words mean what you want them to mean at the moment.

So far, you are the only one doing that. I am using definitions that have been around for almost 200 years. You're using re-definitions that are about 30-40 years old.

nathanbforrest45
05-03-2014, 08:29 PM
The Tea Party is also the Republican party.

I disagree. The Republican Party is the Democratic Party Lite. The Tea Party Conservatives are made up of those citizens who know there isn't a dimes worth of difference between the R's and the D's. The Democrats want to raise spending and raise taxes. The Republicans want to raise spending and pretend to cut taxes.

Ishmael Pequod
05-03-2014, 09:14 PM
The Tea Party is also the Republican party.

Nope. We are no fans of Mitch McConnell and John Boehner. The Republican party is as sick and corrupt as democrats. That's why there is a Tea Party. I am not a member of any political party.

Alyosha
05-03-2014, 09:29 PM
My friend's response to this is: Does a bear shit in the woods?

My response is that they're not committed enough to be communists. We had to work at it every day.

A good worker is a good person, a great worker is someone to be suspicious of. Saboteurs overfulfill the program!

WalterSobchak
05-03-2014, 11:19 PM
Nope. We are no fans of Mitch McConnell and John Boehner. The Republican party is as sick and corrupt as democrats. That's why there is a Tea Party. I am not a member of any political party.

So, who did you vote for POTUS in 2012?

Ransom
05-04-2014, 07:10 AM
So, who did you vote for POTUS in 2012?

I voted for the American

kilgram
05-04-2014, 07:26 AM
Kilgram, in English "extreme moderate" would be called an oxymoron.

It is the sarcasm

lynn
05-04-2014, 08:20 AM
The Democrats pushed for all states to expand Medicaid but they are also pushing to raise the minimum wage to $10.10 an hour which would disqualify most of the population for continuing their Medicaid Benefits. What title would you brand them now?

Green Arrow
05-04-2014, 08:20 AM
The Democrats pushed for all states to expand Medicaid but they are also pushing to raise the minimum wage to $10.10 an hour which would disqualify most of the population for continuing their Medicaid Benefits. What title would you brand them now?

Corporatists.

Ishmael Pequod
05-04-2014, 11:05 AM
So, who did you vote for POTUS in 2012?

Romney. That doesn't make me a republican. If we had Ted Cruz as a candidate then I'd vote for him.

WalterSobchak
05-04-2014, 01:48 PM
Romney. That doesn't make me a republican. If we had Ted Cruz as a candidate then I'd vote for him.

So when did the Tea Party begin supporting Big Govt Statists such as Romney?

Peter1469
05-04-2014, 02:02 PM
So when did the

TheTea Party begin supporting Big Govt Statists such as Romney?

They have not

Libhater
05-04-2014, 02:28 PM
So when did the Tea Party begin supporting Big Govt Statists such as Romney?

For clarification purposes only, could you give me an example or two of Romney's Big Govt Statism? His healthcare policy in
Massachusetts was state run and didn't involve the government in any way. Being how Romney is a successful businessman,
entrepreneur and capitalist, I find it highly unlikely that he could ever be considered a statist.

Ishmael Pequod
05-04-2014, 02:28 PM
So when did the Tea Party begin supporting Big Govt Statists such as Romney?

False premise. I didn't ever support Romney. I voted to remove Obama. Try again.

bladimz
05-04-2014, 04:01 PM
Poll shows that 2/3rds of Americans think Democrats are Communists.

http://www.debate.org/opinions/are-democrats-communistsShit. Where's Joe McCarthy when you need him.

bladimz
05-04-2014, 04:09 PM
And I realize that like most leftists, you like to make words mean what you want them to mean at the moment.Guess you don't know much about Green Arrow...

bladimz
05-04-2014, 04:20 PM
Romney. That doesn't make me a republican. If we had Ted Cruz as a candidate then I'd vote for him.I thought you said you voted for the American.

If you categorize someone who has total disregard for the lower 47% of the population as an American, i don't think you know what the average American is. But you keep voting for "The American" and voting against America. That's your right.

Libhater
05-04-2014, 07:15 PM
Shit. Where's Joe McCarthy when you need him.

Who needs Joe McCarthy to snuff out the anti American commies when two thirds of the American people have already
exposed their socialist asses as being democraps? Try to keep up.

Green Arrow
05-04-2014, 07:36 PM
False premise. I didn't ever support Romney. I voted to remove Obama. Try again.

Yet, I say I voted for Obama to send a message, but don't support Obama, and I get told I'm a liar.

Ishmael Pequod
05-04-2014, 08:00 PM
I thought you said you voted for the American.

If you categorize someone who has total disregard for the lower 47% of the population as an American, i don't think you know what the average American is. But you keep voting for "The American" and voting against America. That's your right.

Save your 47% crap for the naive college kids. The only choice I had was Romney or the lying coward. I chose the American.

spunkloaf
05-04-2014, 08:03 PM
Are democrats communists? No, not unless republicans are hopeless bigots.

Peter1469
05-04-2014, 08:06 PM
Are democrats communists? No, not unless republicans are hopeless bigots.

I think that both democrats and republicans are hopeless statists.

Ishmael Pequod
05-04-2014, 08:06 PM
Are democrats communists? No, not unless republicans are hopeless bigots.

Democrats lied about Benghazi.

Ishmael Pequod
05-04-2014, 08:07 PM
America has to get back to constitutional accountabile govt. Vote Tea Party.

Green Arrow
05-04-2014, 08:11 PM
America has to get back to constitutional accountabile govt. Vote Tea Party.

The constitution is a myth.

Ishmael Pequod
05-04-2014, 09:23 PM
The constitutiguyon is a myth.

Nope. It's right there encased in glass for everyone to see.

Green Arrow
05-04-2014, 09:30 PM
Nope. It's right there encased in glass for everyone to see.

Sure, a piece of old parchment with great words on it. I'm referring to the constitution Americans worship and treat like the Bible. The all-powerful constitution that magically restrains government is a myth.

Kalkin
05-04-2014, 10:43 PM
Democrats support the main tenet of Marxism/communism: from each according to their means, to each according to their needs. That fact makes any contrast between communists and democrats a distinction without a difference.

bladimz
05-05-2014, 12:07 AM
Save your 47% crap for the naive college kids. The only choice I had was Romney or the lying coward. I chose the American.Hey, it's not my 47% crap. That's your "American's" words. He's a twerp whose only interest was 4.5% compounded daily. He couldn't care less about the lower / working class people in this country. American my ass.

bladimz
05-05-2014, 12:29 AM
Who needs Joe McCarthy to snuff out the anti American commies when two thirds of the American people have already
exposed their socialist asses as being democraps? Try to keep up.Keep up with you? Jeezuz, i'd have to be running backward with my eyes shut.

For all of you mental midgets who keep calling progressives "socialists", you should consider this:


True socialism would have no social security or welfare or food stamps. In socialism the basic needs of people would be easily provided for, leaving a surplus of labor for people to use as they see fit. Our social welfare programs are a necessary buffer to the intentional design of Capitalism which requires risk-taking, cheap labor (which forces poverty), and defines people by their capital productivity. Capitalism is designed to have people climb high and fast and be somewhat brutal. In such a system it is common for people to fall. Safety nets are cheaper than letting people fall all the way, allows for people to be made productive again, and ensures risk-taking. They are all necessary programs for Capitalism, not socialism.

Social security is just a way to take care of useless old people. But they are only useless to Capitalism. Socialism would have no such problem. All people are useful.
http://sportsbetter.hubpages.com/question/188007/is-social-security-a-socialist-programYou really should think about this one. Oops. I said "think". Sorry.

Green Arrow
05-05-2014, 12:55 AM
Keep up with you? Jeezuz, i'd have to be running backward with my eyes shut.

For all of you mental midgets who keep calling progressives "socialists", you should consider this:

You really should think about this one. Oops. I said "think". Sorry.

This is one of many reasons why I've always liked you :tongue:

peoshi
05-05-2014, 02:03 AM
I thought you said you voted for the American.

If you categorize someone who has total disregard for the lower 47% of the population as an American, i don't think you know what the average American is. But you keep voting for "The American" and voting against America. That's your right.Since your so compassionate,blad...why don't you let this woman move in with you?

Do you think she has any regard for anyone?

She has 12 children(living with her) ranging in age from 11 yrs. to 6months. That's more than 1 a year, look at their pictures...5 or 6 of them look the same age!

Child services has been paying her rent and providing her with furniture but that is not good enough according to her.

I especially enjoyed her comments at 2:20..."someone needs to be held accountable"! I guess she figures she had nothing to do with it.

I've got news for you genius, if someone does not want to support this slut and her litter for the rest of their life then who the fuck are you to be telling them they are voting against america for being opposed to it? Do you think this woman pays taxes?

Do you think being American means you are obligated to support this shit?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bavou_SEj1E

Green Arrow
05-05-2014, 02:22 AM
Since your so compassionate,blad...why don't you let this woman move in with you?

Do you think she has any regard for anyone?

She has 12 children(living with her) ranging in age from 11 yrs. to 6months. That's more than 1 a year, look at their pictures...5 or 6 of them look the same age!

Child services has been paying her rent and providing her with furniture but that is not good enough according to her.

I especially enjoyed her comments at 2:20..."someone needs to be held accountable"! I guess she figures she had nothing to do with it.

I've got news for you genius, if someone does not want to support this slut and her litter for the rest of their life then who the fuck are you to be telling them they are voting against america for being opposed to it? Do you think this woman pays taxes?

Do you think being American means you are obligated to support this shit?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bavou_SEj1E

Is throwing money at people the only way to help them? Are our only two options really just to throw money at them or leave them to rot?

peoshi
05-05-2014, 02:51 AM
Is throwing money at people the only way to help them? Are our only two options really just to throw money at them or leave them to rot?Why don't you ask blad?

And what would you propose, sterilizing them? I guess the fact that some people are responsible for their own misfortune is a foreign concept to some.

If you pay their rent and utilities and provide furniture, then they still claim you're not doing enough then what?

Forced charity is not charity, it is extortion.

And before anyone starts, I am not blaming the children, it is not their fault, they are probably far better off in foster care although I doubt they are together, but for this whore to claim that someone else needs to be held accountable because she can't keep her legs together for five minutes does not garner sympathy from me.

Green Arrow
05-05-2014, 03:16 AM
Why don't you ask blad?

And what would you propose, sterilizing them? I guess the fact that some people are responsible for their own misfortune is a foreign concept to some.

You have to teach responsibility before you can expect people to be responsible.

peoshi
05-05-2014, 03:26 AM
You have to teach responsibility before you can expect people to be responsible.When did it become the taxpayers job to teach a 40 yr. old woman responsibility?

Do you think cps continually bailing her out for having kids she can't afford is doing that?

How do you teach someone responsibility if they are rewarded for a lack of it?

Green Arrow
05-05-2014, 03:26 AM
When did it become the taxpayers job to teach a 40 yr. old woman responsibility?

Do you think cps continually bailing her out for having kids she can't afford is doing that?

How do you teach someone responsibility if they are rewarded for a lack of it?

You start by not assuming that I think CPS should keep bailing her out.

Libhater
05-05-2014, 05:42 AM
You start by not assuming that I think CPS should keep bailing her out.

You keep double talking your way through this. You offer no solutions, but hey, you voted for obummer, so we know
what side (lefty) of the line you're coming from.

Green Arrow
05-05-2014, 06:37 AM
You keep double talking your way through this. You offer no solutions, but hey, you voted for obummer, so we know
what side (lefty) of the line you're coming from.

I offered a solution. Teach them responsibility. In other words, the old adage, "Teach a man to fish, and you will feed him for a lifetime." Link (http://www.teachamantofish.org.uk/)

Libhater
05-05-2014, 06:53 AM
Well the poll shows that 2/3rds of the people who patronize that website have that belief. That is not necessarily a true reflection of the population at large.

You're a leftist, perhaps you could explain any differences between a democrat and a communist.

Libhater
05-05-2014, 07:02 AM
2/3rds of Americans have no idea what communism is, clearly. At most, Democrats are centrists, neither right nor left, but a mix of both.

A centrist is someone who has no ideological makeup. A centrist is no better qualified to enact policy then would a gnome be
qualified to be president. Democrats en masse favor a highly bureaucratic statist government, which is in fact ad hoc communism.

Green Arrow
05-05-2014, 07:52 AM
You're a leftist, perhaps you could explain any differences between a democrat and a communist.

Democrats are centrist corporatists who engage in corrupt capitalism. Communists are far-left and abhor capitalism.

Green Arrow
05-05-2014, 07:53 AM
A centrist is someone who has no ideological makeup. A centrist is no better qualified to enact policy then would a gnome be
qualified to be president. Democrats en masse favor a highly bureaucratic statist government, which is in fact ad hoc communism.

No, it is not "ad hoc communism." Communism is statist, but that's where the differences end. Conservatives have it in their heads that "socialism" and "communism" are just bad words that mean "big government," but that is ridiculously absurd and simple-minded.

Refugee
05-05-2014, 08:00 AM
Socialism is a means whereby governments distribute wealth to those less well off in society. Communism is a system where the government also owns the wealth it distributes.

Libhater
05-05-2014, 08:04 AM
Socialism is a means whereby governments distribute wealth to those less well off in society. Communism is a system where the government also owns the wealth it distributes.

Evidently that is the concept that flies over the heads of people like the G.A. There isn't a dime's worth of difference between the two,
and we can all agree that both of them are anti American to the core.

texan
05-05-2014, 10:53 AM
No they are just dumb.

Dr. Who
05-05-2014, 05:09 PM
You're a leftist, perhaps you could explain any differences between a democrat and a communist.
Very simple - communists believe that there should be no private enterprise whatsoever. I think that you'll find that most democrats don't want all business nationalized.

texan
05-05-2014, 05:11 PM
No they don't like I said they are just dumb.

Kalkin
05-05-2014, 05:36 PM
I offered a solution. Teach them responsibility. In other words, the old adage, "Teach a man to fish, and you will feed him for a lifetime." Link (http://www.teachamantofish.org.uk/)
Nothing teaches responsibility better than eliminating any and all social safety nets.

Refugee
05-05-2014, 05:45 PM
Very simple - communists believe that there should be no private enterprise whatsoever. I think that you'll find that most democrats don't want all business nationalized.

But the ones leading them do.

Dr. Who
05-05-2014, 05:53 PM
But the ones leading them do.
Somehow I doubt that - the ones leading them are all in the pockets of the big corporations. I think that what the leaders want is a docile, relatively poor and ignorant population that will happily make do with sub-standard goods and a sub-standard government, while the elite run the world. Communism would at least have some integrity.

Ransom
05-05-2014, 06:01 PM
Somehow I doubt that - the ones leading them are all in the pockets of the big corporations. I think that what the leaders want is a docile, relatively poor and ignorant population that will happily make do with sub-standard goods and a sub-standard government, while the elite run the world. Communism would at least have some integrity.

This from a forum member who enjoys his rights including free speech, access to the internet, with a device or several to do so while he enjoys his third meal of the day under his affordable housing that happens to be the best in history, in fact.....today......this good Dr's standard of living is in the top 99.99% of humankind. I will assume his health is fine(a huge assumption), but I'm more than positive the good Dr. Who takes life for granted in this post. The sacrifices that had to be made before him the only thing more monumental than his error.

Dr. Who
05-05-2014, 06:21 PM
This from a forum member who enjoys his rights including free speech, access to the internet, with a device or several to do so while he enjoys his third meal of the day under his affordable housing that happens to be the best in history, in fact.....today......this good Dr's standard of living is in the top 99.99% of humankind. I will assume his health is fine(a huge assumption), but I'm more than positive the good Dr. Who takes life for granted in this post. The sacrifices that had to be made before him the only thing more monumental than his error.
Just an FYI - I wasn't endorsing Communism, I was just suggesting that openly proposing communism would have more integrity than the subterfuge that masquerades as government with one face for the electorate and another one for their corporate cronies (whether they are Dems or Reps). There is no way that any of them are remotely endorsing communism, they are endorsing feudalism, but people just don't see it.