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Germanicus
05-06-2014, 07:00 AM
Good lordy. When I saw that headline it gave me [edit]. Can you imagine what we can do with that? "No longer economic leader". This is what I have been saying. Now that Ron Paul says it many Americans will accept it.

Ok that link is libertarian trash so Im not posting it.


Why We're No Longer Number One

Wait. that was actually Ron Paul. Ok fine.


Last week World Bank economists predicted that China would soon displace the United States as the world's largest economy. The fact that this one-time economic basket case is now positioned to surpass the US is one more sign of the damage done to American prosperity by welfare, warfare, corporatism, and fiat money.


Some commentators have predicted that China's reign as the world's largest economy would not last long. This may be true. While China has made great strides since adopting free-market reforms in the 1970s, China is still run by an authoritarian government whose economic policies distort the market in order to benefit state-favored industries. These state-favored businesses are often controlled by politically-powerful individuals.


What many of these commentators fail to notice is that the American government pursues many of the same flawed policies as the Chinese. For example, because of the increase in regulations, subsidies, and bailouts, many American businesses are putting more resources into manipulating the political process than producing goods and services desired by consumers. Many big businesses even lobby Congress and the federal bureaucracy for new regulations on their industries. They do this because big business can more easily absorb the costs of complying with the new regulations that force their smaller competitors out of business.


China is regularly criticized by American protectionists for subsidizing its export industries. However, the US government does the same thing via programs such as the Export-Import Bank. China is also criticized for manipulating the value of its currency to make its exports more attractive to foreign consumers. This may well be true, but China is hardly unique in this respect. Throughout its history, the Federal Reserve has manipulated both the domestic and international economy, often working in partnership with foreign central banks.


The Federal Reserve's inflationary policies benefit big banks, politically-connected businesses, and big-spending politicians at the expense of the American people. Anyone interested in helping improve the American people's economic situation should focus on changing America's monetary policy, not China's.


Ironically, many of the same politicians who denounce China's monetary policy benefit from Chinese purchases of America's debt. If China stopped making large purchases of US debt, the Federal Reserve would be forced to monetize even more debt, thus risking hyperinflation. So the best thing Congress could do to make it more difficult for China to manipulate the global economy is cut federal spending.

One advantage China has over the US is that the Chinese government does not waste money on a hyper-interventionist foreign policy. The United States government spent approximately $752 billion on the military in fiscal year 2013. In contrast, China spent approximately $188 billion. While China may be increasing its military spending, it has a long way to go to catch up to the United States.


It is difficult to see how the American people, other than those who run or work for the military-industrial complex, benefit from this spending. Military spending, like all government spending, hampers private sector growth by taking resources away from investors, entrepreneurs, and consumers while contributing significantly to the national debt. In contrast, a return to the policy of peace and free trade would allow those resources to be used by entrepreneurs to create new businesses and new jobs.


News that China is soon to surpass the United States as the largest economy in the world is a stark reminder of how the American people are harmed by the welfare-warfare state, crony capitalism, and fiat currency. The only way to avoid continuing collapse is to finally reject an interventionist foreign policy, stop bailing out and subsidizing politically powerful industries, and restore a free market in money.


http://townhall.com/columnists/ronpaul/2014/05/06/why-were-no-longer-number-one-n1833651/page/2

So we all know that Ron Paul is a fanatical utopian free market lunatic but some of what he says is true.



China is regularly criticized by American protectionists for subsidizing its export industries. However, the US government does the same thing via programs such as the Export-Import Bank. China is also criticized for manipulating the value of its currency to make its exports more attractive to foreign consumers. This may well be true, but China is hardly unique in this respect. Throughout its history, the Federal Reserve has manipulated both the domestic and international economy, often working in partnership with foreign central banks

USA is an utter hypocrite. lunatics in USA seem to think we will all sign a 'currency manipulation clause' in the TPP and we will allow USA to continue to manipulate USD through QE.. Yeah right. Anyway, that bit is quotable.



The Federal Reserve's inflationary policies benefit big banks, politically-connected businesses, and big-spending politicians at the expense of the American people. Anyone interested in helping improve the American people's economic situation should focus on changing America's monetary policy, not China's.

Listen to your good doctor. (: That is very quotable. USA demonizes china and others as a distraction from its own mess. Time to leave China alone and look in the mirror.


One advantage China has over the US is that the Chinese government does not waste money on a hyper-interventionist foreign policy. The United States government spent approximately $752 billion on the military in fiscal year 2013. In contrast, China spent approximately $188 billion. While China may be increasing its military spending, it has a long way to go to catch up to the United States.

It is difficult to see how the American people, other than those who run or work for the military-industrial complex, benefit from this spending. Military spending, like all government spending, hampers private sector growth by taking resources away from investors, entrepreneurs, and consumers while contributing significantly to the national debt. In contrast, a return to the policy of peace and free trade would allow those resources to be used by entrepreneurs to create new businesses and new jobs.



Exactly. The waste on giving Westpoint losers great jobs is ridiculous. The military spending of the USA is utterly insane and what does USA get for it? A demonic image as a Great Satan imperialist? China has a massive advantage not having the burden of world police. China military spending is not wasted.



News that China is soon to surpass the United States as the largest economy in the world is a stark reminder of how the American people are harmed by the welfare-warfare state, crony capitalism, and fiat currency. The only way to avoid continuing collapse is to finally reject an interventionist foreign policy, stop bailing out and subsidizing politically powerful industries, and restore a free market in money.



China is number !. USA is no longer on top. USA is no longer leader of anything. USA has no economic credibility. A default in US debt is the only sensible option. But how can USA just default? Europe could not. And why should China lose out and all of the other US creditors? China should sue if USA defaults. China has warned USA to remain solvent. They are serious.

Codename Section
05-06-2014, 07:04 AM
They can be serious all they want but until their military is the size of ours it's like a nerd saying they are serious about the bully not taking his lunch money.

Germanicus
05-06-2014, 07:23 AM
Has USA Government already defaulted? (http://blog.chinadaily.com.cn/thread-867515-1-1.html)




“‘In our opinion, the United States has already been defaulting… Washington had already defaulted on its loans by allowing the dollar to weaken against other currencies – eroding the wealth of creditors including China", Mr Guan of Dagong Credit Rating Agency said.

Ben Bernanke of the US Federal Reserve has been manipulating the currency of USA for a very long time now. Quantitative Easing or QE is the Federal Reserve printing endless amounts of money and then they buy bonds that nobody will buy to make it look like the US economy is not bankrupt. QE is an ongoing backdoor bailout of the US banks and corporations. The QE has only helped rich Americans and their international multinational corporatist friends. The American people never see any of that printed money. Obama lies to them and tells them that QE will make it easier for poor Americans and small business to borrow money. This is a lie. Banks are not lending to small business. The QE has also done almost nothing to the sky high US unemploymeny rate.

Nations such as Australia and Japan have been very angry about USA manipulating their currency because when USA lowers the value of their currency by printing mountains of free money it lowers the value of the USD. No value has been produced to print these USD's so all other USD become worth less value. The Australian dollar is pegged to the USD because the USD has the Reserve Status for now. A weak USD makes the Australian dollar much stronger and when that happens the high AUD hurts Australian exporters. Our friends in China are forced to pay more for the things they import from Australia and it hurts trade between our two nations.

De-dollarization is imperative. (http://blog.chinadaily.com.cn/thread-899448-1-1.html)


This post was edited by HailChina! at 2013-10-8 23:09

This is a very good article stressing the need for de-dollarization written by Nigerian columnist Obadiah Malafia. The structural debt problems of the USA have forced nations to look for ways to protect themselves from the volatility of the USD. National Governments must also find ways to protect themselves from the end of the risky US QE bond buying experiment that the USA has been surviving on. De-linking from the dysfunctional and exhausted US economy needs to be a priority for all national governments. Moving away from the USD through de-dollarization is one way governments can protect their citizens from the political games played in Washington.


I believe de-dollarization to be the correct step to take due to several factors. Dollarization compounds the challenges of monetary policy implementation while tying the economy to the tottering fortunes of the American juggernaut. Wise central bankers from Tehran to Brasilia and Telaviv are diversifying their reserve holdings from dollars to other currencies. The Germans and Russians are stockpiling gold to hedge against the uncertainty of the dollar as the world’s reserve currency. A few years down the road, when Obama leaves and the chickens of quantitative easing come home to roost, it may be judgement day in Washington and Wall Street.

a strong currency is only possible when we are a prosperous democracy with monetary policies that are transparently anchored on positive science. It is imperative to invoke extant legislation backing the legality of naira payments for all transactions within our economic space. This is what South Africa does. This is partly why the rand has become a strong and stable currency, increasingly used as a trading currency by China, Russia and other countries.

http://businessdayonline.com/2013/10/who-needs-dollars/

Australia now saves at least $1 billion a year just by dumping the USD for use in trade with China and trading directly. The Reserve Bank of Australia has invesed 5% of its 38 billion foreign currency assets in China. Australia joins a host of nations including Thailand, South Korea and Hong Kong seeing a quota to buy Chinese assets. This trend will continue as American hegemony comes to an end. The Pacific family has no genuine need to keep or use such large reserves of USD. Keeping too much USD has become a risk in many ways.

I am happy to see that Africa too is moving away from US hegemony. I believe that it is sensible and logical for nations and corporations to diversify their Reserve holdings because a Basket Reserve will be a feature of the Asian Century. National Governments and corporations no longer need to risk keeping such large stores of USD and they no longer need to pay the added cost of using them. International trade will become more and more direct in the Asian Century. Moving away from the USD and promoting ones own domestic currency for use in international transactions is an important factor in relation to maintaining a strong and stable national currency. It has become somewhat of a matter of national security for central banks to ensure that reserve holdings are diverse and that international trade is direct.

I was relieved to read that China has warned the USA to stay solvent. I feel that the global community is in dire need of leadership in the area of economic responsibility. I am hoping that China can fill the void. When the USA caused the last GFC it was China that stepped up and kept the global economy moving. The main reason the Asia Pacific is such a relient refion of the world is because of the strength and stability of hard working China. We in the Asia Pacific were able to shrug the GFC off to a large extent thanks to China. Europe, the UK and the USA would be in much worse economic trouble without the two speed economic engine of the Chinese economy keeping the global economy firing since the Americans caused the GFC. China has emerged as the leader of economic responsibility.

I agree with Obadiah that the chickens of US quantitative easing will come home to roost sometime in the near future. It is important for national governments and central banks to protect global citzens from Americas judgement day. De-dollarization and a diversification of reserve holdings is sensible for many reasons and it is one way to protect against the ongoing dysfunction and games played in Washington. De-linking through de-dollarization is now imperative.

http://blog.chinadaily.com.cn/data/attachment/forum/201310/08/2245160uffzccya4fym8jl.jpg


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http://bbs.chinadaily.com.cn/thread-844444-1-1.html
http://bbs.chinadaily.com.cn/thread-878008-1-1.html
http://bbs.chinadaily.com.cn/thread-871451-1-1.html
http://bbs.chinadaily.com.cn/thread-877841-1-1.html

Codename Section
05-06-2014, 07:25 AM
Say the US defaults....what will China do? Probably what the world is doing about Crimea and the Ukraine now.

Germanicus
05-06-2014, 07:33 AM
They can be serious all they want but until their military is the size of ours it's like a nerd saying they are serious about the bully not taking his lunch money.

You ever seen the Rob Zombie Halloween?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-HusCCV3uQ

(: Nerds can be very clever. And angry.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0JkVCizHOA

Codename Section
05-06-2014, 07:34 AM
How's China going to do that with a military 1/7th our size?

Green Arrow
05-06-2014, 07:37 AM
LOL, Germanicus, you don't know Americans very well if you think most Americans will listen to Dr. Paul :tongue: His actual followers like myself are many, but still probably only about 15% of the nation.

Chris
05-06-2014, 08:47 AM
Ron Paul is right, imo, and seems to be saying China is beating us at the same crony capitalist games by not funding an enormous military.

Chris
05-06-2014, 08:48 AM
Say the US defaults....what will China do? Probably what the world is doing about Crimea and the Ukraine now.


Probably bail us out since we're too big to fail. IOW, buy more of America.

lynn
05-06-2014, 09:42 AM
China doesn't need to expand their military. They only have to sit back while the U.S. destroys its job force.

Chris
05-06-2014, 09:44 AM
China doesn't need to expand their military. They only have to sit back while the U.S. destroys its job force.

Wasn't that Reagan's strategy with Russia?