My views on America

[Refugee]

I have a spare hour today and so I thought I’d have a good old fashioned rant in a usual English way, minus the quotes and who said what. So, from the top of my head and using the stuff between my ears, I present for your entertainment, my views on America.

Seriously though, but respectfully, you so called communists with your interpretations of Marxist theory wouldn’t last ten minutes under the reality of it. “From each according to his ability, to each according to his need”? You’ve already achieved it in the western welfare system, the only problem you have now is a counter revolution from the workers themselves who are paying for all the dead wood. What you need is a good weeding session in the garden and a replanting of an ideology that favour’s the majority, not the minority.

It took under 200 years for the U.S. to become a superpower and less than twenty to become an absolute shambles; from a superpower to a welfare society. Obama told you he was going to “fundamentally transform America”, but not how and it sounded so nice you didn’t bother to ask. The idea that you can remain a first world society diminishes in proportion to the amount of socialism you introduce – have you noticed? For the first time in your history you’ve decided that you have a basic human right not to work, be paid for it and that somehow the rest of society will do the work for you.

A country that put the first man on the moon now has 92 million on welfare and applauds a government that does it. A country that helped topple communism now has a communist President. A constitution based on the Founding Fathers now has a government bureaucracy that dwarfs any other on the planet, but instead its citizens spend their time cheering on gay marriages, legalizing drugs and teaching school children to sing songs praising a communist President.

Your city’s are now turning into bankrupt ghetto’s, people are fleeing socialism to other States, your IRS makes Al Capone look benevolent and the clever one’s are already stocking up on necessities after counting up all the zero’s on the national debt.

7213

You vote for these kind of people and then wonder why your economy and society is collapsing? It’s not an accident, it’s intentional. These are the radical socialist and communist activists who you laughed at twenty years ago and said it couldn’t happen here, but now they’re laughing at you. They hate you and they hate America and their one purpose in life is to control you, which they are doing using the law and authority they now have, not street protests. They’re winning.

Of course, I could be wrong. :smiley:

[Alyosha]

You are entirely correct.

I left the Soviet Union as a child, at the tail end of the experiment and what I see in 2014 is the tail end of the USSR here in the US. We are spied on (but its okay because it keeps us safe from terrorists), we have huge social institutions that work horribly, we are extended militarily, we can't speak freely, we're told what to think about the news, there are only two parties, or two candidates, ....

Very sad. We had this idea of what America would be and it is heart breaking to see it change so fundamentally.

America was a great idea, one of the best.

[Ravi]

Why don't you troll your own country?

[Codename Section]

Why don't you troll your own country?

Why don't you debate people and quit trolling the forum? :D

[junie]

You are entirely correct.

I left the Soviet Union as a child, at the tail end of the experiment and what I see in 2014 is the tail end of the USSR here in the US. We are spied on (but its okay because it keeps us safe from terrorists), we have huge social institutions that work horribly, we are extended militarily, we can't speak freely, we're told what to think about the news, there are only two parties, or two candidates, ....

Very sad. We had this idea of what America would be and it is heart breaking to see it change so fundamentally.

America was a great idea, one of the best.



what do you mean..you 'can't speak freely'?

[Refugee]

Why don't you troll your own country?

I'm a citizen of the world Ravi, I troll 'em all and I also certainly give the UK a tongue lashing. :smiley:

[junie]

Why don't you debate people and quit trolling the forum? :D


by 'trolling' the forum you mean reading the forum and responding to posts on the forum? :rollseyes:

[Codename Section]

by 'trolling' the forum you mean reading the forum and responding to posts on the forum? :rollseyes:

She didn't respond to a post, she didn't even address it. She called someone a troll, ergo "trolling".

[MrJimmyDale]

Can't disagree with a whole lot of the OP.

There are quite a few who see what's coming

[Refugee]

by 'trolling' the forum you mean reading the forum and responding to posts on the forum? :rollseyes:

I welcome responses, but here we are talking of Ravi. The two don't quite go together? :wink:

[Codename Section]

Refugee,

I won't troll you. I'll respond to your topic. :)

The last 20-30 years has been the US not leading the world, but following along behind it economically. We're now seeing the results of that and our status as economic superpower is diminished.

Russia and China, learned from experience and are now moving away from centrally planned economies and will be kicking our asses economically in the very near future by doing what we used to do.

Fucking pathetic.

[Libhater]

Greatest post I've seen here lately, and it certainly speaks of our need to wipe out these progressives
before they get too much power at the expense of the working stiffs. Liberals are so proud of their
nanny state that they are committed to watching the nation take a nose dive in the old Cloward/Piven
tradition of rendering our people useless and defenseless in the process.

[junie]

I welcome responses, but here we are talking of Ravi. The two don't quite go together? :wink:



you bought that propaganda, did you? :rollseyes:

[patrickt]

Why don't you troll your own country?

Like Ravi. She wants a USSA and doesn't want any resistance from the proles.

[Common Sense]

You kind of lost touch with reality by claiming the president is a communist.

[junie]

She didn't respond to a post, she didn't even address it. She called someone a troll, ergo "trolling".


are you trolling this thread as a mod or as a member?

[Codename Section]

you bought that propaganda, did you? :rollseyes:

Stay on topic, please. You don't need to make every thread a Ravi defense thread. Ravi is smart and capable of defending herself.

Let's keep to the OP. Thanks.

[Codename Section]

are you trolling this thread as a mod or as a member?

Junie,

she was trolling. I'm saying it as a poster and a mod. Let's stick on topic and not knock it off by trolling people at post #3.

[Libhater]

You kind of lost touch with reality by claiming the president is a communist.

He's worse then a traditional communist....he's our very own American communist. How long you been wearing those blinders?

[junie]

Why don't you debate people and quit trolling the forum? :D



i know insulting Americans is so hip these days, but how exactly do you 'debate' someones opinion...?

Why Are Americans Stupid? (http://thepoliticalforums.com/threads/25455-Why-Are-Americans-Stupid)

[Matty]

I'm a citizen of the world Ravi, I troll 'em all and I also certainly give the UK a tongue lashing. :smiley:
I can vouch for that! I've read it.

[Common Sense]

He's worse then a traditional communist....he's our very own American communist. How long you been wearing those blinders?

By blinders do you mean non rationality, "libhater"?

[Refugee]

you bought that propaganda, did you? :rollseyes:

Actually, it was experienced based and took about five minutes to discover. :laugh:

[junie]

'we can't speak freely, we're told what to think' :loco:

[Captain Obvious]

Outsiders sure are obsessed with the US.

Too many people including domestics make too big a deal out of the US. It's a purely invented phenomenon.

[Matty]

The only part Refugee got wrong is the worker part. There are now as of this moment more takers than there are makers. The scales have tipped. Downhill all the way baby!

[kilgram]

A country that put the first man on the moon now has 92 million on welfare and applauds a government that does it. A country that helped topple communism now has a communist President
It is laughsome. Seriously.

I am Communist and I would never vote for Obama even for a million bucks. This is the first proof of how misinformed you are or weird concepts you have of some ideologies.

[Libhater]

By blinders do you mean non rationality, "libhater"?

The fact that the big liberal bosses/criminals Saul Alinsky and Obama come from Chicago--landmark or home of the 1919
CPUSA (Communist Party Untied States America) may give you a clue as to obummer's commies roots.

[Refugee]

i know insulting Americans is so hip these days, but how exactly do you 'debate' someones opinion...?

Why Are Americans Stupid? (http://thepoliticalforums.com/threads/25455-Why-Are-Americans-Stupid)

Difficult isn't it. You read the post and come up with alternative suggestions as to why it isn't true. Insults are usually based on stereotypical notions, not the truth. Are you capable of debate? If not consider it an insult and move on.

[Common Sense]

The fact that the big liberal bosses/criminals Saul Alinsky and Obama come from Chicago--landmark or home of the 1919
CPUSA (Communist Party Untied States America) may give you a clue as to obummer's commies roots.

He lived in Chicago he must be a mob boss!

[Refugee]

'we can't speak freely, we're told what to think' :loco:

Perhaps Obama is right. Some of you need it.

[Codename Section]

i know insulting Americans is so hip these days, but how exactly do you 'debate' someones opinion...?

The whole forum is an opinion based off of someone's take on the news. Debate it like any other opinion.




Why Are Americans Stupid? (http://thepoliticalforums.com/threads/25455-Why-Are-Americans-Stupid)
junie

knock it off now. You have a problem with Al, take it up on that thread not this one. You are not going to be trolling this thread. Do you want to stay posting in it?

[Refugee]

Outsiders sure are obsessed with the US.

Too many people including domestics make too big a deal out of the US. It's a purely invented phenomenon.

You go down and you take the rest of the world with you. The world has a right to worry. :smiley:

[Refugee]

You kind of lost touch with reality by claiming the president is a communist.

Look into his background, it's all over the internet. Try Pelosi and Reid too. Marxist, progressive, it's all one and the same.

[Codename Section]

You go down and you take the rest of the world with you. The world has a right to worry. :smiley:

We live in a global economy now and we're the world's largest military. Why people in the US don't understand that what we do has an effect on others or why they should have an opinion is just beyond my comprehension.

If you're in a room with someone's pitbull and it starts to growl why isn't that someone you can or should comment on? Just because it's not your dog?

[junie]

The whole forum is an opinion based off of someone's take on the news. Debate it like any other opinion.


@junie (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=699)

knock it off now. You have a problem with Al, take it up on that thread not this one. You are not going to be trolling this thread. Do you want to stay posting in it?


nope. :greatjob:enjoy your circle jerk of the day...

[Common Sense]

Look into his background, it's all over the internet.

Oh yes, it's on the internet. Then it must be true.


Wow...

[Matty]

You go down and you take the rest of the world with you. The world has a right to worry. :smiley:
Why? Why is the rest of the world so dependent on the US?

[Libhater]

He lived in Chicago he must be a mob boss!

Don't think its coincidental that obummer coming from the mob boss land of Chicago with his
criminal community organizing skills with such notables as ACORN has now become America's
mob boss president. Which of the many current scandals from this administration would you
like me to highlight for your own enjoyment or for you to realize that this guy is a commie
and is a criminal, and has nothing but the destruction of our nation on his sick agenda?

[Matty]

The whole forum is an opinion based off of someone's take on the news. Debate it like any other opinion.


@junie (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=699)

knock it off now. You have a problem with Al, take it up on that thread not this one. You are not going to be trolling this thread. Do you want to stay posting in it?


Why shouldn't she be allowed to speak and cross reference? I don't see the harm.

[Refugee]

It is laughsome. Seriously.

I am Communist and I would never vote for Obama even for a million bucks. This is the first proof of how misinformed you are or weird concepts you have of some ideologies.[/FONT][/COLOR]

I thought you were an anarchist?

[Codename Section]

Why? Why is the rest of the world so dependent on the US?

This thing called "trade". :D

Hi Willow:hello2:

[Common Sense]

Why? Why is the rest of the world so dependent on the US?

The US is the worlds largest economy. Its actions have a global impact.

[Ravi]

Why don't you debate people and quit trolling the forum? :D
What is there to debate? The vast majority of his threads are bullshit about how America is communist, the president is communist, blah, blah, blah. Just a bunch of hysterical bullshit. And when he's proven incorrect he ignores the proof. For instance, just the other day he claimed a woman was made to get rid of her exhaust fan at her restaurant because the smell of frying bacon offended muslims. When it was shown that she won her appeal and the local government had to pay her court costs, he pretended it never happened. Plus his walls of text in tiny font are not worth reading.

[Codename Section]

Why shouldn't she be allowed to speak and cross reference? I don't see the harm.

Because it is not on topic and is just more of their little feud that the rest of us don't need to put up with. She can take it over there and fight. This is Refugee's thread.

--not trying to insult anyone but I'm done talking about it. Pete can come in and overrule me, but people need to get back on topic and stick to this thread.

[Spectre]

I don't separate what is happening to America from what is happening to the West overall. There is a real decadence and disintegration happening, formally beginning with the Great War, but with roots earlier than that. Top-heavy unwieldy states doomed to bankruptcy, the slow collapse of the religious glue that held the entire culture together with its resulting moral chaos, the sterility in the arts, the numbing and dumbing down of the population by a shallow entertainment industry and inadequate education system.

You can't do this year after year, decade after decade, and expect things to get better.

[Common Sense]

Don't think its coincidental that obummer coming from the mob boss land of Chicago with his
criminal community organizing skills with such notables as ACORN has now become America's
mob boss president. Which of the many current scandals from this administration would you
like me to highlight for your own enjoyment or for you to realize that this guy is a commie
and is a criminal, and has nothing but the destruction of our nation on his sick agenda?

LOL...commie. Give me a break. I thought he was a fascist?

[Codename Section]

What is there to debate? The vast majority of his threads are bullshit about how America is communist, the president is communist, blah, blah, blah. Just a bunch of hysterical bullshit. And when he's proven incorrect he ignores the proof. For instance, just the other day he claimed a woman was made to get rid of her exhaust fan at her restaurant because the smell of frying bacon offended muslims. When it was shown that she won her appeal and the local government had to pay her court costs, he pretended it never happened. Plus his walls of text in tiny font are not worth reading.


Ravi, thanks for the attempt at debate.

[Matty]

This thing called "trade". :D

Hi Willow:hello2:
I think they use us for our military too don't you? They are too damn cheap to pay for their own and of course Germany and Japan aren't allowed to have one cause they don't know how to act. Always running around starting wars and shit. Hi Nancy!

[Captain Obvious]

You go down and you take the rest of the world with you. The world has a right to worry. :smiley:

Says who?

[Refugee]

Oh yes, it's on the internet. Then it must be true.


Wow...

The debates are on the internet. What you have to do is read them and judge yourself whether they're true. I think they are, given his background and his policies. Your job is now to disprove it. Want to give it a try? You might also try debating the points in the op?

[Codename Section]

I think they use us for our military too don't you? They are too damn cheap to pay for their own and of course Germany and Japan aren't allowed to have one cause they don't know how to act. Always running around starting wars and shit. Hi Nancy!


Well, they fear our military, yet another reason they should have an opinion.

[Matty]

Because it is not on topic and is just more of their little feud that the rest of us don't need to put up with. She can take it over there and fight. This is Refugee's thread.

--not trying to insult anyone but I'm done talking about it. Pete can come in and overrule me, but people need to get back on topic and stick to this thread.


Well crap, where were you when they highjacked my snack thread? :)

[Kabuki Joe]

I have a spare hour today and so I thought I’d have a good old fashioned rant in a usual English way, minus the quotes and who said what. So, from the top of my head and using the stuff between my ears, I present for your entertainment, my views on America.

Seriously though, but respectfully, you so called communists with your interpretations of Marxist theory wouldn’t last ten minutes under the reality of it.“From each according to his ability, to each according to his need”? You’ve already achieved it in the western welfare system, the only problem you have now is a counter revolution from the workers themselves who are paying for all the dead wood. What you need is a good weeding session in the garden and a replanting of an ideology that favour’s the majority, not the minority.

It took under 200 years for the U.S. to become a superpower and less than twenty to become an absolute shambles; from a superpower to a welfare society. Obama told you he was going to “fundamentally transform America”, but not how and it sounded so nice you didn’t bother to ask. The idea that you can remain a first world society diminishes in proportion to the amount of socialism you introduce – have you noticed? For the first time in your history you’ve decided that you have a basic human right not to work, be paid for it and that somehow the rest of society will do the work for you.

A country that put the first man on the moon now has 92 million on welfare and applauds a government that does it. A country that helped topple communism now has a communist President. A constitution based on the Founding Fathers now has a government bureaucracy that dwarfs any other on the planet, but instead its citizens spend their time cheering on gay marriages, legalizing drugs and teaching school children to sing songs praising a communist President.

Your city’s are now turning into bankrupt ghetto’s, people are fleeing socialism to other States, your IRS makes Al Capone look benevolent and the clever one’s are already stocking up on necessities after counting up all the zero’s on the national debt.

7213

You vote for these kind of people and then wonder why your economy and society is collapsing? It’s not an accident, it’s intentional. These are the radical socialist and communist activists who you laughed at twenty years ago and said it couldn’t happen here, but now they’re laughing at you. They hate you and they hate America and their one purpose in life is to control you, which they are doing using the law and authority they now have, not street protests. They’re winning.

Of course, I could be wrong. :smiley:



...excellent post...

[Common Sense]

The debates are on the internet. What you have to do is read them and judge yourself whether they're true. I think they are, given his background and his policies. Your job is now to disprove it. Want to give it a try? You might also try debating the points in the op?

No offense but I have a hard time talking the OP seriously. If I opened up a debate that started with "George Bush is a secret Nazi", would you debate me or mock me?

If you framed it as "Obama has socialist policies that I think are a detriment to America...", then you may have a point.

[Spectre]

Well, they fear our military, yet another reason they should have an opinion.

I'm not sure how much China or Russia really fears the US military these days. With the latter being drawn down so quickly and radically, and the former being ramped up and closing the technological gap, the days of American military superiority are ending, just as the days of American economic superiority are ending.

[Codename Section]

Well crap, where were you when they highjacked my snack thread? :)

Probably Mexico. Who the hell highjacked your snack thread? I'll smack 'em around.

[Codename Section]

No offense but I have a hard time talking the OP seriously. If I opened up a debate that started with "George Bush is a secret Nazi", would you debate me or mock me?

I might nod. I dunno. What would your argument be?

[Matty]

Well, they fear our military, yet another reason they should have an opinion.
I didn't say they could not have an opinion. I asked him why? When he said if the US falls the rest of the world falls. I want to know why the rest of the world is so dependent on the US.

[Refugee]

What is there to debate? The vast majority of his threads are bullshit about how America is communist, the president is communist, blah, blah, blah. Just a bunch of hysterical bullshit. And when he's proven incorrect he ignores the proof. For instance, just the other day he claimed a woman was made to get rid of her exhaust fan at her restaurant because the smell of frying bacon offended muslims. When it was shown that she won her appeal and the local government had to pay her court costs, he pretended it never happened. Plus his walls of text in tiny font are not worth reading.

I’m waiting for you to prove me incorrect Ravi. It isn’t going to happen though, is it. Go through what I said, debate with me, or just call it “a bunch of hysterical bullshit” and stick to that.

[Codename Section]

I didn't say they could not have an opinion. I asked him why? When he said if the US falls the rest of the world falls. I want to know why the rest of the world is so dependent on the US.

Our currency is the world's reserve (for now). We're one of the largest consumers of good and still one of the largest producers. If we fall we may use our military to prop us up...that type of thing.

[Kabuki Joe]

@Refugee (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=1060),

I won't troll you. I'll respond to your topic. :)

The last 20-30 years has been the US not leading the world, but following along behind it economically. We're now seeing the results of that and our status as economic superpower is diminished.

Russia and China, learned from experience and are now moving away from centrally planned economies and will be kicking our asses economically in the very near future by doing what we used to do.

Fucking pathetic.

...it really started happening in the 60's-70's and it took a few years after that for the changes to take affect...

[Matty]

Probably Mexico. Who the hell highjacked your snack thread? I'll smack 'em around.
I wish you dumb marines would stay out of Mexico. They don't like you down there. You know they have another one chained to his bed in a lousy Mexican jail.

[Refugee]

Says who?

The rest of the world.

[Codename Section]

I wish you dumb marines would stay out of Mexico. They don't like you down there. You know they have another one chained to his bed in a lousy Mexican jail.

I go where I am sent. It was a job thing. We should go break him out, whaddayah think? I think 20 of us could do it.

[Matty]

I go where I am sent. It was a job thing. We should go break him out, whaddayah think? I think 20 of us could do it.
Do it.

[nic34]

LOL...commie. Give me a break. I thought he was a fascist?

Yes, as soon as commie comes into the conversation it's like using hitler, or nazi. Just throw around the terms, no need to know what they mean.... just slam the opponent with as much smear and invective as possible.

[Refugee]

No offense but I have a hard time talking the OP seriously. If I opened up a debate that started with "George Bush is a secret Nazi", would you debate me or mock me?

If you framed it as "Obama has socialist policies that I think are a detriment to America...", then you may have a point.

I would look and try to find out the details behind Bush being a secret Nazi. Failing that I would look into his past and then finally my own knowledge of the man.

[Spectre]

I go where I am sent. It was a job thing. We should go break him out, whaddayah think? I think 20 of us could do it.


No one knows what the entire story is. He could have been up to something no right. We'll see.

[Matty]

Yes, as soon as commie comes into the conversation it's like using hitler, or nazi. Just throw around the terms, no need to know what they mean.... just slam the opponent with as much smear and invective as possible.
You on the left should know! It's what you do.

[Codename Section]

Do it.

It might be fun and lately with the jobs I've had I feel pretty much like I could do anything with enough guys.

[Refugee]

Yes, as soon as commie comes into the conversation it's like using hitler, or nazi. Just throw around the terms, no need to know what they mean.... just slam the opponent with as much smear and invective as possible.

It's not a smear, it's to do with his background and his policies. Now if someone said he's a Reaganite, that would be a smear. Check his background, it's no secret.

[Matty]

It might be fun and lately with the jobs I've had I feel pretty much like I could do anything with enough guys.
Here's his story. Once you get him out teach him how to read a map.


http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/05/05/marines-mom-issues-urgent-plea-after-soldier-finds-himself-locked-in-mexican-prison-on-gun-charges-he-needs-his-country-now/

[Codename Section]

Obama's father was a communist, my father was a marine. Guess what I joined at 18?

Now, I do have my doubts that he's a real communist, but I think he's one of those fake ones where a few elite live like JayZ and everyone else lives in some lower income eqalitarian world.

[Kabuki Joe]

You on the left should know! It's what you do.


...you said you were a leftist but you didn't trust the democratic party... so why are you even using this in an argument?... :huh:

[Codename Section]

Here's his story. Once you get him out teach him how to read a map.


http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/05/05/marines-mom-issues-urgent-plea-after-soldier-finds-himself-locked-in-mexican-prison-on-gun-charges-he-needs-his-country-now/

We'll throw him to the wolves as a country. We don't care about our vets.

I must ponder this.

[Matty]

...you said you were a leftist but you didn't trust the democratic party... so why are you even using this in an argument?... :huh:
Link? Dare ya!

[Matty]

We'll throw him to the wolves as a country. We don't care about our vets.

I must ponder this.
He is not a vet. He's active duty.


edit. I got that wrong. He is a vet. I thought he was active duty enroute to an assignment.

[kilgram]

I thought you were an anarchist?
Anarchocommunist and anarchosindicalist. I simplify sometimes as Communist when I need it.

[Refugee]

Obama's father was a communist, my father was a marine. Guess what I joined at 18?

Now, I do have my doubts that he's a real communist, but I think he's one of those fake ones where a few elite live like JayZ and everyone else lives in some lower income eqalitarian world.

That's what communism is, they're all fakes, but the damage they do to get to stay the elite is catastrophic.

[Refugee]

Anarchocommunist and anarchosindicalist. I simplify sometimes as Communist when I need it.

Anarchist v communist, about as different as it can get? I don't change, I am what I am, no simplifications.

[Kabuki Joe]

I’m waiting for you to prove me incorrect Ravi. It isn’t going to happen though, is it. Go through what I said, debate with me, or just call it “a bunch of hysterical bullshit” and stick to that.


...can you use bigger fonts?...I have a hard time reading your posts...

[Kabuki Joe]

'we can't speak freely, we're told what to think' :loco:


...can't say anything bad about the gays, only good things...that's just one example...

[Refugee]

Ah well, took half an hour for the crazies to move on. It's like trying to hold back the tide sometimes. :wink: As it's 22.20 time for some sleep. If the thread is still going I don't mind continuing tomorrow. Seriously, the whole world is worried about the way America is going; burying heads in the sand and pretending everyone else is crazy except Obama is in itself worrying. :smiley:

[Kabuki Joe]

I thought you were an anarchist?

...not right now, this topic is about commies, and "when in Rome........"...

[Common Sense]

Ah well, took half an hour for the crazies to move on. It's like trying to hold back the tide sometimes. :wink: As it's 22.20 time for some sleep. If the thread is still going I don't mind continuing tomorrow. Seriously, the whole world is worried about the way America is going; burying heads in the sand and pretending everyone else is crazy except Obama is in itself worrying. :smiley:

Have a good night...

Before you drift off, maybe you should read the dictionary.

com·mu·nism [kom-yuh-niz-uhhttp://static.sfdict.com/dictstatic/dictionary/graphics/luna/thinsp.pnghttp://static.sfdict.com/dictstatic/dictionary/graphics/luna/thinsp.pngm]

noun 1. a theory or system of social organization (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/organization) based on the holding of all property in common, actual ownership being ascribed to the community (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/community) as a whole or to the state.

2. ( often initial capital letter ) a system of social organization in which (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/which) all economic and social activity is controlled by a totalitarian state dominated by a single and self-perpetuating political party.

3. ( initial capital letter ) the principles and practices of the Communist Party (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Communist%20Party).

[Kabuki Joe]

What is there to debate? The vast majority of his threads are bullshit about how America is communist, the president is communist, blah, blah, blah. Just a bunch of hysterical bullshit. And when he's proven incorrect he ignores the proof. For instance, just the other day he claimed a woman was made to get rid of her exhaust fan at her restaurant because the smell of frying bacon offended muslims. When it was shown that she won her appeal and the local government had to pay her court costs, he pretended it never happened. Plus his walls of text in tiny font are not worth reading.

...what about the KKK?...you didn't mention them...

[Kabuki Joe]

I don't separate what is happening to America from what is happening to the West overall. There is a real decadence and disintegration happening, formally beginning with the Great War, but with roots earlier than that. Top-heavy unwieldy states doomed to bankruptcy, the slow collapse of the religious glue that held the entire culture together with its resulting moral chaos, the sterility in the arts, the numbing and dumbing down of the population by a shallow entertainment industry and inadequate education system.

You can't do this year after year, decade after decade, and expect things to get better.


...it's simple really, when the individual is more important then the group, the fat lady is warming up her voice...

[Alyosha]

What is there to debate? The vast majority of his threads are bullshit about how America is communist, the president is communist, blah, blah, blah. Just a bunch of hysterical bullshit. And when he's proven incorrect he ignores the proof. For instance, just the other day he claimed a woman was made to get rid of her exhaust fan at her restaurant because the smell of frying bacon offended muslims. When it was shown that she won her appeal and the local government had to pay her court costs, he pretended it never happened. Plus his walls of text in tiny font are not worth reading.

If she won on appeal that means that she lost on the first case, meaning that it did in fact happen.

See appeals happen after the original trial.

[Ravi]

If she won on appeal that means that she lost on the first case, meaning that it did in fact happen.

See appeals happen after the original trial.Right. He pretended the appeal didn't happen and the woman was not allowed to fry bacon or exhaust it outside.

[Alyosha]

Right. He pretended the appeal didn't happen and the woman was not allowed to fry bacon or exhaust it outside.

Pretend or didn't know? You know he was pretending, Ravi?

[Spectre]

Anarchocommunist and anarchosindicalist. I simplify sometimes as Communist when I need it.

How about we just call you a profoundly confused young man?

[Kabuki Joe]

Link? Dare ya!

...notice the last sentence:


When democrats are desperate that's one of their main moves, stir the racism pot. He's just a typical democrat. Just like the bozo who called SCJ Clarence Thomas an Uncle Tom the other day. Their racist antics are what drives me away from the democrat party.

[Ravi]

Pretend or didn't know? You know he was pretending, Ravi?
Oh, hey. You're right! He could be an uniformed bigot that only reads things on the internet that confirm his biases without researching to see the whole story.

[Captain Obvious]

Oh, hey. You're right! He could be an uniformed bigot that only reads things on the internet that confirm his biases without researching to see the whole story.

That really happenes?

Say it ain't so...

:grin:

[Alyosha]

Oh, hey. You're right! He could be an uniformed bigot that only reads things on the internet that confirm his biases without researching to see the whole story.

Or he could have read a story he found interesting and remembered it, and didn't follow up when the appeals came through. There are a million stories that we all read and remember and don't follow through on.

I know you're looking for a reason to discredit him as a person but you're being unrealistic.

[kilgram]

Anarchist v communist, about as different as it can get? I don't change, I am what I am, no simplifications.
Most anarchists called themselves socialists or communists.

Anarchism and communism have a lot in common. The communism in theory has the same goal as anarchism. The difference is how to achieve this goal, the means to get it. That is what make apart anarchists from communists.

Obviously call communist to Obama is the same nonsense that the Spanish right did with Zapatero, calling him Communist, rojo... And other stupid things. He as Obama have nothing to do with communism. Both as maximum could be called progressives. But none of them have any link with Socialism or Communism.

Or, using a local example from your country. Would you say that Tony Blair was communist?

[Matty]

...notice the last sentence:
Yes it simply means I can't stand the bastards.

[Perianne]

what do you mean..you 'can't speak freely'?

See Donald Sterling.

[Kabuki Joe]

Oh, hey. You're right! He could be an uniformed bigot that only reads things on the internet that confirm his biases without researching to see the whole story.


...but then he'd be like you...

[Perianne]

Now if someone said he's a Reaganite, that would be a smear.

Thank you @Refugee (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=1060) for spelling his name correctly. :)

[Kabuki Joe]

Yes it simply means I can't stand the bastards.

...I've never seen a true conservative even think about voting democrat, ah, but a liberal...

[Perianne]

I'm not sure how much China or Russia really fears the US military these days.
Codename Section

Do really tough guys fear other tough guys?

[Kabuki Joe]

@Codename Section (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=866)

Do really tough guys fear other tough guys?


...only if they are hollow inside...China and Russia aren't hollow...

[The Sage of Main Street]

I welcome responses, but here we are talking of Ravi. The two don't quite go together? :wink:
If the USA has becoming more socialist for decades, why have the rich been getting richer at a historically high rate? Hereditary Capitalism has destroyed the country, but its expensive propaganda machine against democracy has blinded slavish gutless sheep into faith in the Right's fleecing and butchering Good Shepherd.

The only leveling I see is that the middle and the bottom have been squeezed together. The rich have not been soaked; they've soared.

[The Sage of Main Street]

You kind of lost touch with reality by claiming the president is a communist. You want to see losing touch with reality; I'll show you some losing touch with reality:

He's really a Kenyan from Nairobi
No way is he our Obi-Wan Kenobi

[The Sage of Main Street]

He lived in Chicago he must be a mob boss! The Cubs haven't won the World Series since 1908. Unless you're wearing blinders, you know he had something to do with that and is making America losers too!

[Refugee]

Right. He pretended the appeal didn't happen and the woman was not allowed to fry bacon or exhaust it outside.

Seriously, as I quickly read the story, don’t you think I knew there was an appeal? The appeal was irrelevant to the topic – the topic was about an authority who forbade her to fry bacon. What happened afterwards is immaterial. Maybe she’s still doing it, maybe she went bankrupt, I neither know nor care; the important bit was that someone said she couldn’t do it and that’s what the post was about.

Any more off topic side issues and does increasing to font size three make it better?

[Refugee]

Most anarchists called themselves socialists or communists.

Anarchism and communism have a lot in common. The communism in theory has the same goal as anarchism. The difference is how to achieve this goal, the means to get it. That is what make apart anarchists from communists.

Obviously call communist to Obama is the same nonsense that the Spanish right did with Zapatero, calling him Communist, rojo... And other stupid things. He as Obama have nothing to do with communism. Both as maximum could be called progressives. But none of them have any link with Socialism or Communism.

Or, using a local example from your country. Would you say that Tony Blair was communist?

The few anarchists I’ve met are socialists when it comes to welfare, communists when it comes to wealth distribution and anarchists when they can’t do what they want; they change to suit the occasion. That’s why it’s so difficult for anyone to pin you down on an ideology.

Blair to me was a progressive, masquerading as a socialist to personally increase his own wealth through capitalism.

[Refugee]

I think a major fault with Americans, certainly not all, is that they have a naïve and old fashioned view of Communism. Say the word and a lot of people envisage 1918, barricades, red flags. They look around, see no sign of it and so dismiss it. It’s not about the visual any more, it’s about progressivism (Liberal Fascism) and it’s about ideas. It’s about the use of culture to change norms and values, using groups to produce dissent and a need for State interference; it’s about the socialization of America.

An example is Obamacare. People focus immediately on the cost, when really the bigger issue is that it suddenly gave the State authority over hundreds of millions of people. Welfare is another; millions now rely on the State to provide and that provision reinforces the voting pattern. This is socialism, not communism, but its one step away from the State taking over industries if and when it all collapses and becoming communist, with the approval of the majority millions who now rely on the State. If the American economy or social order collapses, it will be the State you look to for help?

Many of you deny communism (progressivism) and then complain about the power of the State, Big Business and corporatism, plus the bankers who seem to be running things now. You complain about the disparity gap between the rich and the poor without realizing that’s progressivism. It was never about ‘the workers’ and ‘red flags’, it’s about the elite from either left or right and authoritarianism. It’s exactly the same in Europe and people there too are still arguing about who to vote for without realizing it doesn’t matter, the European Union now tells many governments what to do.

The op isn’t about American bashing, it’s about the people in the government who have an ideology and past records of communist, progressive and socialist activity. No one has yet said that the op is wrong, that there isn’t a vast welfare society, that there isn’t a big State, and that there aren’t bankrupt cities . . . and my point is that is all this an accident, or was it deliberately socially engineered that way to provide more State power to ‘fix’ it’ for you? America hasn’t suddenly discovered some new ideology in all this, it’s been going on for decades in the UK and Europe and it’s so obvious what’s happening.

When people tell you they’re going to fundamentally change society, (to something different), or that welfare produces employment, (a voting base), or you all need socialized medical care, (State control), think it through to its logical conclusion for yourselves and then wonder why America is so different from what it was even twenty years ago and not for the better, in my opinion. There are those amongst you who want this to happen and that’s fine, but those same people are going to find it difficult to convince anyone it isn’t happening and so will focus on side issues and divert way from the reality of it. Expected and accepted.

[Alyosha]

The few anarchists I’ve met are socialists when it comes to welfare, communists when it comes to wealth distribution and anarchists when they can’t do what they want; they change to suit the occasion. That’s why it’s so difficult for anyone to pin you down on an ideology.

Blair to me was a progressive, masquerading as a socialist to personally increase his own wealth through capitalism.

There are left leaning anarchist and what some would consider right leaning. This is why.

[Don]

America was a great idea, one of the best.

I believe the "idea" will live on even if it's not my country who carries the torch of the light of liberty. If the Chinese ever throw off their yoke of tyranny I believe they might be the ones who carry it to the next level.

[Refugee]

There are left leaning anarchist and what some would consider right leaning. This is why.

I can’t envisage an anarchist being left or right. An anarchist would dislike rule by any ideology and if anything would be left, but definitely not right.

[lynn]

I can't disagree either with the op. I have seen so many changes in just my lifetime that is causing the destruction of the U.S. that it is heartbreaking. So many people are aware of it and the sad thing is we can't stop it.

[Dr. Who]

I didn't say they could not have an opinion. I asked him why? When he said if the US falls the rest of the world falls. I want to know why the rest of the world is so dependent on the US.
Global markets. It's like dominos, if a major portion goes down, the rest are so interconnected that they fall too.

[Alyosha]

I can’t envisage an anarchist being left or right. An anarchist would dislike rule by any ideology and if anything would be left, but definitely not right.

Anarchy is the rule of natural law, not man's law.

[Refugee]

Anarchy is the rule of natural law, not man's law.

There is no natural law, there is only the theory. Society precedes the individual and society has always been structured.

[Alyosha]

There is no natural law, there is only the theory. Society precedes the individual and society has always been structured.

Not true, my friend. Let a large enough natural disaster occur and natural law will abound. Man predated tribes, tribes predated society. Natural law is cooperative and enforced through voluntary associations which are mutually beneficial.

[Refugee]

Not true, my friend. Let a large enough natural disaster occur and natural law will abound. Man predated tribes, tribes predated society. Natural law is cooperative and enforced through voluntary associations which are mutually beneficial.

We disagree. You sound like Kilgram. :laugh: If a natural disaster occurs and they do regularly, (Hurricane Katrina for example, or anywhere else in the world), the first thing people look for is aid and help from the State. Tribes, society, governments . . . they’re all man made and even then, not always voluntary. :smiley:

[1751_Texan]

I have a spare hour today and so I thought I’d have a good old fashioned rant in a usual English way, minus the quotes and who said what. So, from the top of my head and using the stuff between my ears, I present for your entertainment, my views on America.

Seriously though, but respectfully, you so called communists with your interpretations of Marxist theory wouldn’t last ten minutes under the reality of it.“From each according to his ability, to each according to his need”? You’ve already achieved it in the western welfare system, the only problem you have now is a counter revolution from the workers themselves who are paying for all the dead wood. What you need is a good weeding session in the garden and a replanting of an ideology that favour’s the majority, not the minority.

It took under 200 years for the U.S. to become a superpower and less than twenty to become an absolute shambles; from a superpower to a welfare society. Obama told you he was going to “fundamentally transform America”, but not how and it sounded so nice you didn’t bother to ask. The idea that you can remain a first world society diminishes in proportion to the amount of socialism you introduce – have you noticed? For the first time in your history you’ve decided that you have a basic human right not to work, be paid for it and that somehow the rest of society will do the work for you.

A country that put the first man on the moon now has 92 million on welfare and applauds a government that does it. A country that helped topple communism now has a communist President. A constitution based on the Founding Fathers now has a government bureaucracy that dwarfs any other on the planet, but instead its citizens spend their time cheering on gay marriages, legalizing drugs and teaching school children to sing songs praising a communist President.

Your city’s are now turning into bankrupt ghetto’s, people are fleeing socialism to other States, your IRS makes Al Capone look benevolent and the clever one’s are already stocking up on necessities after counting up all the zero’s on the national debt.

7213

You vote for these kind of people and then wonder why your economy and society is collapsing? It’s not an accident, it’s intentional. These are the radical socialist and communist activists who you laughed at twenty years ago and said it couldn’t happen here, but now they’re laughing at you. They hate you and they hate America and their one purpose in life is to control you, which they are doing using the law and authority they now have, not street protests. They’re winning.

Of course, I could be wrong. :smiley:


Your assessment is obviously based on the parroting of the simplistic machinations charaterizing America —as a result of the leadership by the America left—by the American right. Well done mate.

[Refugee]

Your assessment is obviously based on the parroting of the simplistic machinations charaterizing America —as a result of the leadership by the America left—by the American right. Well done mate.

Based on what I see and what I know. The conclusion was that whatever you get is elitist and that the left is the right with a sugar coating and it was always so. It may not have come as a surprise to you, but it does too many who were earlier freaking out about it. You could have had a go at explaining it yourself; perhaps you will if there’s something I’ve left out?

[Ravi]

Seriously, as I quickly read the story, don’t you think I knew there was an appeal? The appeal was irrelevant to the topic – the topic was about an authority who forbade her to fry bacon. What happened afterwards is immaterial. Maybe she’s still doing it, maybe she went bankrupt, I neither know nor care; the important bit was that someone said she couldn’t do it and that’s what the post was about.

Any more off topic side issues and does increasing to font size three make it better?

It isn't immaterial. She was wrongly denied something and got justice. You used the story as an example to bash Muslims when in reality it should have been used to bash stupid British council members.

[The Sage of Main Street]

I can't disagree either with the op. I have seen so many changes in just my lifetime that are causing the destruction of the U.S. that it is heartbreaking. So many people are aware of it and the sad thing is we can't stop it. We won't stop it because we refuse to go deep enough into the sources of our incurable disease: Sacred Cows such as the Constitution, inheritance, the stock market, and unpaid education.