Today In Primaries: Establishment Wins

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Not all the races have come in yet, but so far it looks like a good day for the establishment GOP in the world of primary elections. Two of the most high-profile primaries today were for the Senate in North Carolina, where North Carolina state House Speaker and establishment favorite Thom Tillis beat challenger libertarian favorite Greg Brannon by about 46% to 27%. John Boehner also easily won his primary, as did Rep. Renee Ellmers and former state Sen. David Rouser, also of North Carolina.

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@Alyosha (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=863), today has not been a good day. Even Rand's candidate in NC lost. What are we going to do? This is shaping up to be another 1960 Schism, where the Rockefeller Republicans beat the Goldwater Republicans.

[Alyosha]

@Alyosha (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=863), today has not been a good day. Even Rand's candidate in NC lost. What are we going to do? This is shaping up to be another 1960 Schism, where the Rockefeller Republicans beat the Goldwater Republicans.

People are afraid of Democrats and think only money backed people can beat them. Hegelian Dialectic.

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And another establishment favorite, David Joyce, wins in Ohio =/

[zelmo1234]

You have to understand, the TEA Party Republicans, and the Rand Paul Libertarians are talking about giving up POWER!

The only time in the history of the world that power was given up willingly was after the Revolutionary war! When the people would have been willing to make Washington a King!

The money, or power behind the throne if you will are not willing to give that influence up!

This was a good day for Democrats, because in many areas the conservatives will not vote for the republican candidate. Either way if the establishment person does not get elected, that is good for America.

Yes the democrats will have the USA insolvent with in 10 years, but then the lie of liberalism will finally come to an end. and we can start the journey to rebuild.

However there were a few that well be sent to Washington and if we can get a few in every election, then at least they can slow down the power grab!

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If you look at the prospective 2016 field, it also looks like the establishment is going to flood the field with their allies. Christie, Rubio, Rep. Peter King, Santorum, Perry, Jeb Bush, etc.

[zelmo1234]

If you look at the prospective 2016 field, it also looks like the establishment is going to flood the field with their allies. Christie, Rubio, Rep. Peter King, Santorum, Perry, Jeb Bush, etc.

I would agree and I think that Hilary will beat anyone on that list?

I don't think that I can vote for anyone on that list.

I am not interested in liberal light! If they don't want to nominate a small government candidate, then I will just have to take the year off, again.

Sooner or later, they will get the picture. I think that conservatives have had enough. Libertarians were fed up a long time ago! maybe we can get together and get a 3rd party elected someday, and that would be a shot heard around the world

[momsapplepie]

Anything is better than what the demonicrats have driven this country into. Sorry, libs, the writing is on the wall.
Can I offer you a short paddle? LOL!

[hanger4]

Not all the races have come in yet, but so far it looks like a good day for the establishment GOP in the world of primary elections. Two of the most high-profile primaries today were for the Senate in North Carolina, where North Carolina state House Speaker and establishment favorite Thom Tillis beat challenger libertarian favorite Greg Brannon by about 46% to 27%. John Boehner also easily won his primary, as did Rep. Renee Ellmers and former state Sen. David Rouser, also of North Carolina. http://mashable.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/Dr.-Who.gifI take it you're from NC ?? What part if ya don't mind me askin ??

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I take it you're from NC ?? What part if ya don't mind me askin ??

Nope, Tennessee. Chattanooga, to be specific.

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Anything is better than what the demonicrats have driven this country into. Sorry, libs, the writing is on the wall.
Can I offer you a short paddle? LOL!

Progressive, establishment Republicans are helping Democrats drive us off the cliff, so no, I don't agree that "anything is better."

[nic34]

What a bunch of messed up political understanding. The only way to remove the corporatists is to vote for more of them.

Sorry, I'll continue to support independents and progressives like Bernie Sanders...

http://www.progressiveparty.org/organize/people/bernie-sanders

[GrassrootsConservative]

You're the problem, nic.

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What a bunch of messed up political understanding. The only way to remove the corporatists is to vote for more of them.

Sorry, I'll continue to support independents and progressives like Bernie Sanders...

http://www.progressiveparty.org/organize/people/bernie-sanders

I support non-establishment candidates in both parties, nic34. None of the candidates I promote are corporatists.

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You're the problem, nic.

He is far less of a problem than you, if you want to play this game. You have one of the most toxic and venomous attitudes I have ever seen. You think that helps anybody?

[Libhater]

He is far less of a problem than you, if you want to play this game. You have one of the most toxic and venomous attitudes I have ever seen. You think that helps anybody?

OMG, you're okay with people like nic supporting the most progressive socialist in the House, a bernie sanders, and you say the Grassroots Conservative is toxic?
Don't look now but your anti American socialist/leftist/commie/pinko underwear is showing. Please don't tell us you are of voting age.

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OMG, you're okay with people like nic supporting the most progressive socialist in the House, a bernie sanders, and you say the Grassroots Conservative is toxic?
Don't look now but your anti American socialist/leftist/commie/pinko underwear is showing. Please don't tell us you are of voting age.

1) Sanders is a Senator, not a member of the House.
2) Screw off.

[Libhater]

1) Sanders is a Senator, not a member of the House.
2) Screw off.

Members of the HOUSE and the SENATE are often referred to as HOUSE members. Someone with your lack of knowledge
with anything pertaining to our American political system would be expected not to know this.

Better to screw off than to get screwed on by the likes of an anti American progressive bernie sanders.

[Mainecoons]

Members of the HOUSE and the SENATE are often referred to as HOUSE members. Someone with your lack of knowledge
with anything pertaining to our American political system would be expected not to know this.

Better to screw off than to get screwed on by the likes of an anti American progressive bernie sanders.

Ummm, that's a new one on me. I think they are referred to as members of CONGRESS. The HOUSE refers to the House of Representatives. The SENATE refers to the Senate.

I can't recall ever seeing Senators referred to as members of the House. You sorta remind me of Obama, when caught in an error instead of just admitting it, you made something up.

Feel free to cite a valid source that supports your statement in which case I'll concede I'm wrong about this.

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Members of the HOUSE and the SENATE are often referred to as HOUSE members. Someone with your lack of knowledge
with anything pertaining to our American political system would be expected not to know this.

Better to screw off than to get screwed on by the likes of an anti American progressive bernie sanders.

Pride comes before a fall, Libhater. Rather than admit your mistake and move on, you're now trying to double down on ridiculousness.

[Mainecoons]

As to the results of these primaries, they simply confirm what I've been explaining here for some time: Only the party faithful (establishment) vote in them. I'll wager a lot of TP members are either registered independents or libertarians who can't vote in the two party primaries.

This primary system is why we are getting these candidates. It needs to be abolished and the parties, which are private organizations, returned to nominating their own candidates. It would be far easier for TP activists to dominate the ranks of participating Republican volunteers than to dominate the entire electorate.

You will notice that the Democrat left has already succeeded in taking over the party apparatus. There really are very few centrist Democrats in any position of influence now.

[Libhater]

Ummm, that's a new one on me. I think they are referred to as members of CONGRESS. The HOUSE refers to the House of Representatives. The SENATE refers to the Senate.

I can't recall ever seeing Senators referred to as members of the House. You sorta remind me of Obama, when caught in an error instead of just admitting it, you made something up.

Feel free to cite a valid source that supports your statement in which case I'll concede I'm wrong about this.

I'll leave you with a WIKI piece. Notice the first sentence in bold letters that says the Senate is one of two 'HOUSES'.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_House_of_Representatives

[Mainecoons]

Sorry, that is not the same as saying a Senator is a HOUSE member. He is a member of one of the two HOUSES (note the plural usage) of CONGRESS.

You wrote this:
Members of the HOUSE and the SENATE are often referred to as HOUSE members.

Nope, you're confusing the singular, which is one of the two bodies that Senators do not belong to, to the general use of the term "houses" as in "houses of Congress."

You're digging yourself in deeper here. :grin:

[Libhater]

Sorry, that is not the same as saying a Senator is a HOUSE member. He is a member of one of the two HOUSES (note the plural usage) of CONGRESS.

You wrote this:
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Nope, you're confusing the singular, which is one of the two bodies that Senators do not belong to, to the general use of the term "houses" as in "houses of Congress."

You're digging yourself in deeper here. :grin:

No, you refuse to see it as it is.

[Ransom]

Pride comes before a fall, Libhater. Rather than admit your mistake and move on, you're now trying to double down on ridiculousness.

I say call out one of your priests or tanks and vaporize!!

[nathanbforrest45]

I have heard it referred to as the "Two Houses of Congress, The House of Representatives and the Senate" I have never heard of the Senate referred to anything other than the Senate. In any event, why allow yourselves to be distracted by what the Chambers are called? House, Senate, Chamber, Dining Room, what difference does it make? That is not the issue here.

[nathanbforrest45]

The voting public has been trained that the Federal Government must do "something". The Democrats are saying We will do 100 %, the Republicans are saying we will only do 95% and the Conservatives are saying we are only going to do 10%. Nobody wants a government that will only do 10% even if that is the best course of action

[Libhater]

I have heard it referred to as the "Two Houses of Congress, The House of Representatives and the Senate" I have never heard of the Senate referred to anything other than the Senate. In any event, why allow yourselves to be distracted by what the Chambers are called? House, Senate, Chamber, Dining Room, what difference does it make? That is not the issue here.

Exactly, you never heard someone say the "Two Senates of Congress". LOL! But you are right, time to move on to the realization that Republicans will be
taking over both of those 'HOUSES' of Congress come November.

Regardless of how one refers to bernie sanders, the fact remains that he'll always remain a progressive Marxist, and that my friends is about
as anti American as it gets.

[zelmo1234]

Anything is better than what the demonicrats have driven this country into. Sorry, libs, the writing is on the wall.
Can I offer you a short paddle? LOL!

Actually for me it matters little if the big government progressive has a R or a D behind his name

We have to stop voting for progressives period. until we do you are only going to get more of the same.

lets face it other than the ACA? GWB and Obama are very close to the same person

[Cigar]

The GOP will always be The GOP :grin: you can count on it.

[bajisima]

Progressive, establishment Republicans are helping Democrats drive us off the cliff, so no, I don't agree that "anything is better."

You have to decide though, would an establishment republican be somewhat better than a democrat? I mean think about future issues coming up, healthcare, gun control, taxes etc do you want the liberals in charge? Or at least someone who will stop the bleeding? If you sit home we get the worst possible candidate. That's why republicans are taking a beating in presidential elections. Look back at history, Reagan probably wouldn't win today because he is too liberal. Yet historically how would another Carter term have done? You have to start winning the elections first then you can weed out your candidates otherwise you get to sit back and watch Hillary win. Its all about patience and compromise and lets face it, the democrats are kicking republicans butts.

[bajisima]

Actually for me it matters little if the big government progressive has a R or a D behind his name

We have to stop voting for progressives period. until we do you are only going to get more of the same.

lets face it other than the ACA? GWB and Obama are very close to the same person

You are quite correct but how do we change it? We change it by winning first and then leading the party the way you want to go. Look how the democrats have done it. Obama campaigned as a centrist, bipartisanship etc then once he won the party started pulling more left. They are putting up more and more progressives. Republicans squabble amongst themselves and sit home instead of holding their nose and voting and what do they get? A second Obama term and most likely if they continue 8 years of Hillary.

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You have to decide though, would an establishment republican be somewhat better than a democrat? I mean think about future issues coming up, healthcare, gun control, taxes etc do you want the liberals in charge? Or at least someone who will stop the bleeding? If you sit home we get the worst possible candidate. That's why republicans are taking a beating in presidential elections. Look back at history, Reagan probably wouldn't win today because he is too liberal. Yet historically how would another Carter term have done? You have to start winning the elections first then you can weed out your candidates otherwise you get to sit back and watch Hillary win. Its all about patience and compromise and lets face it, the democrats are kicking republicans butts.

Giving in to candidates because they are "not as bad" vs. being good on their own merit is exactly what has gotten us into this mess.

[bajisima]

Giving in to candidates because they are "not as bad" vs. being good on their own merit is exactly what has gotten us into this mess.

That's been happening ever since we have had elections. Many people get disappointed because their guy didn't get the nod. But you know what? The alternative was much worse so they went and voted. There have been several republican presidents that weren't very good but the democrat would have been worse.

[Spectre]

It means the Tea Party and other related tendencies have a lot of work ahead of them, and that they are at the beginning, not the end, of the process of changing politics in the right direction.

And, as I say again and again and never tire of saying: this has NOTHING to do with 'the Establishment'; this has to do with the voters, the citizens. The voters are to blame.