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Perianne
05-07-2014, 03:02 PM
I frequently see where people say they used to be liberal (or whatever) but have changed over time to whatever they are now.

Other than me, has anyone kept his/her beliefs since.... well, forever?

Alyosha
05-07-2014, 03:03 PM
Nope. Just you. :)

nathanbforrest45
05-07-2014, 03:28 PM
In 1963 I was a supporter of JFK for two reasons. One he was a Catholic and two because my parents were Democrats. Then late in 1963 I read Atlas Shrugged and my life was changed. In the 1964 elections I read LBJ's attacks on Goldwater and said "Hey, wait a minute, that is exactly what I believe". So, since I was 19 years old I have been a Goldwater Conservative.

Matty
05-07-2014, 03:35 PM
I didn't pay attention to politics until the Clinton BS hit the scene. Everybody in Fla. It seems was a democrat. After watching that I switched parties. Never looked back.

nathanbforrest45
05-07-2014, 03:49 PM
I didn't pay attention to politics until the Clinton BS hit the scene. Everybody in Fla. It seems was a democrat. After watching that I switched parties. Never looked back.

When I lived in Florida I was a registered Democrat because that was the only way you could have a say regarding who would win local elections. Republicans just didn't have a chance for mayor or state representatives. You voted for the most Republican Democrat. Clinton really changed all that and Jacksonville went 104 years of Democratic mayors to a Republican starting in 1991 with Ed Austin.

Mister D
05-07-2014, 03:51 PM
I've retained a disposition or a temperament when it comes to politics.

Perianne
05-07-2014, 03:54 PM
I didn't pay attention to politics until the Clinton BS hit the scene. Everybody in Fla. It seems was a democrat. After watching that I switched parties. Never looked back.

I suppose if I had been raised as a Democrat, I would have started that way, too. But my mother was a self-reliant immigrant, none of that "government give me stuff", and that does NOT fit in with the Democrats, who want to take from those who have and give to those don't.

Libhater
05-07-2014, 04:42 PM
I have been a die-hard Conservative from the day I was born to two ultra Conservative parents.
An interesting question might be to see if anyone had changed their political stripes from that of
a Conservative to that of a liberal. The only people I know who did that were two rino losers...
that ex Governor of Florida Crist and that ex and dearly departed senator from Pennsylvania
(can't remember his name). You'll find many prominent Conservatives who had switched political
parties from once being liberal to becoming Conservatives. Reagan rings a bell.

Gerrard Winstanley
05-07-2014, 04:48 PM
State socialism to anarcho-socialism. Easy.

Refugee
05-07-2014, 05:42 PM
I was born under socialism, the kind where everybody paid into a social welfare scheme and I was OK with that. Later, when it changed into welfare entitlement and I found I had to pay for those that didn’t or refused to work, I lost all interest. Finally, when I was told that it’s everybody’s right to have a relative lifestyle compared to mine, by both the two main political parties and both demanded I pay for it, I emigrated and 5% of the UK population have done the same.

Socialism and liberalism are best viewed from a distance and only close up if you’re unemployed.

The Xl
05-07-2014, 07:22 PM
I've pretty much been conservative fiscally, socially liberal, and anti war since I was 12 or so.

Perianne
05-07-2014, 07:43 PM
I've pretty much been conservative fiscally, socially liberal, and anti war since I was 12 or so.

Aren't you like 45 now? That is a long time, The Xl.

The Xl
05-07-2014, 07:43 PM
Aren't you like 45 now? That is a long time, @The Xl (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=865).

25. Lol. So 13 years.

Perianne
05-07-2014, 07:45 PM
25. Lol. So 13 years.

But your pictures look like 45! (joking)

darroll
05-07-2014, 07:53 PM
Life has been about whether you make it or not.
If you are a failure, jump.
This is better than a hand out.

Blackrook
05-08-2014, 02:01 AM
I was a Reagan conservative before my parents were. I watched his five minute speech commercials, and I knew I wanted this man as my President.

I was 11 when Reagan went up against Ford at the Republican National Convention. I drew up a chart of the states and counted every vote as they happened. When Ford was declared the winner, I cried my eyes out.

At the 1981 Inauguration, when I saw Reagan crying while they played the National Anthem, I cried along with him.

When Reagan cried while telling the nation about the Challenger disaster, I cried along with him.

I will never stop loving Ronald Reagan. He made me proud to be an American. There will never be another like him, not ever.

Green Arrow
05-08-2014, 02:41 AM
I grew up a conservative Republican. My parents worked on Bush's 2004 campaign, so I pretty much grew up in politics. When McCain ran in 2008, I worked for his campaign. I sat in the bar where our Republican HQ was having our election victory party - or what we thought was going to be a victory party - and then cried with everyone else as the results came in and showed McCain lost. I was devastated, and couldn't understand why he lost.

Then, 2009 hit and I saw McCain working with Obama in the Senate like nothing happened. A friend showed me video of Ron Paul during the 2008 primary debates, and I was fascinated by his message. For the first time in my life, I studied political beliefs other than my own, and after a few months became a libertarian. After becoming a libertarian, I studied socialism after a recommendation from a friend, and found libertarian socialism to be ideal.

Refugee
05-08-2014, 03:25 AM
I was a Reagan conservative before my parents were. I watched his five minute speech commercials, and I knew I wanted this man as my President.

I was 11 when Reagan went up against Ford at the Republican National Convention. I drew up a chart of the states and counted every vote as they happened. When Ford was declared the winner, I cried my eyes out.

At the 1981 Inauguration, when I saw Reagan crying while they played the National Anthem, I cried along with him.

When Reagan cried while telling the nation about the Challenger disaster, I cried along with him.

I will never stop loving Ronald Reagan. He made me proud to be an American. There will never be another like him, not ever.

It seems that every generation produces one. Just when it all seems to be collapsing, whether in war or economically, along comes a Cromwell, a Churchill, or a Thatcher, or in your case, a Reagan. I wonder who will be the next to step forward?

Refugee
05-08-2014, 03:28 AM
I grew up a conservative Republican. My parents worked on Bush's 2004 campaign, so I pretty much grew up in politics. When McCain ran in 2008, I worked for his campaign. I sat in the bar where our Republican HQ was having our election victory party - or what we thought was going to be a victory party - and then cried with everyone else as the results came in and showed McCain lost. I was devastated, and couldn't understand why he lost.

Then, 2009 hit and I saw McCain working with Obama in the Senate like nothing happened. A friend showed me video of Ron Paul during the 2008 primary debates, and I was fascinated by his message. For the first time in my life, I studied political beliefs other than my own, and after a few months became a libertarian. After becoming a libertarian, I studied socialism after a recommendation from a friend, and found libertarian socialism to be ideal.

No offense GA, but unlike Blackrook, you fell for a fairy story and let emotions influences you. You're not alone and the brave new world sharing everything, marching together collectively sounds so attractive . . . . all that's missing is the red flag? :smiley:

Gerrard Winstanley
05-08-2014, 05:23 AM
No offense GA, but unlike Blackrook, you fell for a fairy story and let emotions influences you. You're not alone and the brave new world sharing everything, marching together collectively sounds so attractive . . . . all that's missing is the red flag? :smiley:
We get it, Refugee. Everybody who doesn't share your beliefs is an immature fantasist in the vein of the Bolsheviks.

patrickt
05-08-2014, 05:46 AM
I frequently see where people say they used to be liberal (or whatever) but have changed over time to whatever they are now.

Other than me, has anyone kept his/her beliefs since.... well, forever?

In a few areas, such as the death penalty, I've changed my position as I matured but my core beliefs have stayed the same. What has changed is the definition of liberal. In 1958 I was a liberal but now I'm a conservative.

I still agree with Rev. Martin Luther King that we should be judged by the content of our character and not the color of our skin. That has obviously moved from liberal to reactionary conservative.

I thought we should be fiscally responsible. That is also no longer a liberal position but is a right-wing conservative position.

I was in favor of affirmative action until the left made it synonymous with quotas and racial preferences. I was always opposed to racism but that went from a liberal position to a conservative position without me having to change.

So, I don't think I changed my core values. What used to be rational liberals disappeared and my "liberal" positions became conservative.

Refugee
05-08-2014, 06:03 AM
We get it, Refugee. Everybody who doesn't share your beliefs is an immature fantasist in the vein of the Bolsheviks.

Certainly not, but if you look around you, what you see are facts open to debate. The beliefs and as you term them, "immature fantasies" are that governments promise you a utopia using the welfare State.

donttread
05-08-2014, 06:46 AM
I frequently see where people say they used to be liberal (or whatever) but have changed over time to whatever they are now.

Other than me, has anyone kept his/her beliefs since.... well, forever?

If we take liberal in the old definition of "pro change" than the only people who would fit the definition would be the Libertarians and the Greens.

Gerrard Winstanley
05-08-2014, 07:17 AM
Certainly not, but if you look around you, what you see are facts open to debate. The beliefs and as you term them, "immature fantasies" are that governments promise you a utopia using the welfare State.
Neither Green Arrow nor I are pro-welfare state (or even pro-state, for that matter).

Green Arrow
05-08-2014, 07:28 AM
No offense GA, but unlike Blackrook, you fell for a fairy story and let emotions influences you. You're not alone and the brave new world sharing everything, marching together collectively sounds so attractive . . . . all that's missing is the red flag? :smiley:

It's hardly a fantasy. I have devoted years of study into the issue.