Jane Austen Book Club

[Alyosha]

Perianne Matalese momsapplepie Dark Mistress Green Arrow

Based on our last discussion we should be starting next Monday, 5/19/2014

First 50 Pages, topics to follow...

[Dark Mistress]

Excellent!:dancing:

[Green Arrow]

Are we supposed to have the pages read by the start date, or is the start date when we start reading?

[Matty]

I am downloaded and ready to go.

[Alyosha]

Are we supposed to have the pages read by the start date, or is the start date when we start reading?

I thought we started reading last week? Bad, Green Arrow.

[Dark Mistress]

Then we fall short together. Green Arrow
Because I havne't start yet!:embarrassed:

[Codename Section]

Didn't Drew2 say he would show up for it Alyosha?

[Matty]

I thought we started reading last week? Bad, Green Arrow.


So, we are to have the first fifty pages read by Monday?

[Alyosha]

So, we are to have the first fifty pages read by Monday?

Yes. Paperback Writer

You, too. 50 pages.

[Green Arrow]

I thought we started reading last week? Bad, Green Arrow.

I was under the impression that not everyone had the book, so we were going to wait until everyone did.

[Alyosha]

I was under the impression that not everyone had the book, so we were going to wait until everyone did.

It's in google docs for free because it's a classic.

[Green Arrow]

Well, I already own it :tongue:

[Matty]

Well, I already own it :tongue:

i think it was me needing a new kindle. But my son came over, straightened my arse out about my ipad. I went to Amazon and downloaded it free. I will start reading today.

[Heyduke]

Why didn't you just choose Little Women, for crying out loud?

Pride and Prejudice: Part Taming of the Shrew, part teen romance novel, part Victorian fluff piece.

I had to read it once for college English. Once was enough. Bad choice out of you guys. I'll wait for the June book, if I'm around a computer then.

Anyway, the entire exercise is probably futile, no matter which classic you choose. No matter what, there will be too many pesky words and not enough pictures (and zero video) to appeal to today's YouTube crowd. The age of logic and technology has overwritten man's ability to interpret art.

[Codename Section]

Why didn't you just choose Little Women, for crying out loud?

Pride and Prejudice: Part Taming of the Shrew, part teen romance novel, part Victorian fluff piece.

I had to read it once for college English. Once was enough. Bad choice out of you guys. I'll wait for the June book, if I'm around a computer then.

Anyway, the entire exercise is probably futile, no matter which classic you choose. No matter what, there will be too many pesky words and not enough pictures (and zero video) to appeal to today's YouTube crowd. The age of logic and technology has overwritten man's ability to interpret art.
Heyduke

you've committed female sacrilege saying that. Expect to be hated.

[momsapplepie]

already got a copy and read it again. I'm ready to read and roll! (fair warning guys, I read at about a thousand words a min.)

[Matty]

already got a copy and read it again. I'm ready to read and roll! (fair warning guys, I read at about a thousand words a min.)


Do me a favor momsapplepie look in your regular book and tell me where page 50 ends. It may not be the same on e books.

[momsapplepie]

Elizabeth started a conversation with Darcy over his writing a letter to his sister that turns into an exchange over his friendship and how much sway he has over Bingham.

[Matty]

Elizabeth started a conversation with Darcy over his writing a letter to his sister that turns into an exchange over his friendship and how much sway he has over Bingham.
Thank you. :)

[Alyosha]

Why didn't you just choose Little Women, for crying out loud?

Pride and Prejudice: Part Taming of the Shrew, part teen romance novel, part Victorian fluff piece.

I had to read it once for college English. Once was enough. Bad choice out of you guys. I'll wait for the June book, if I'm around a computer then.

Anyway, the entire exercise is probably futile, no matter which classic you choose. No matter what, there will be too many pesky words and not enough pictures (and zero video) to appeal to today's YouTube crowd. The age of logic and technology has overwritten man's ability to interpret art.

Unless you are female, unless you understand what women in that era went through should they not be rich and unmarried. It was social commentary, not a Taming of the Shrew as Elizabeth was neither a shrew nor tamed Heyduke.

Maybe football is just baseball in winter.

[Heyduke]

Unless you are female, unless you understand what women in that era went through should they not be rich and unmarried. It was social commentary, not a Taming of the Shrew as Elizabeth was neither a shrew nor tamed @Heyduke (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=978).

Maybe football is just baseball in winter.

Should they not be rich and unmarried? That would make them poor and married, and a far more interesting story than the rich and unmarried, in this bloke's opinion.

I have no doubt that Jane Austin provides some cogent social commentary. No doubt, she is a skilled writer. Elizabeth was an ice cube that needed to be thawed. Have fun with that, and have a pillow fight immediately afterwards, in your nighties.

[Alyosha]

Should they not be rich and unmarried? That would make them poor and married, and a far more interesting story than the rich and unmarried, in this bloke's opinion.

They were not rich, Heyduke. That was the point you're missing. They were in fact, one breath from poverty as the entire estate would go to the cousin.

If the father died they were all put out on the street.

That is exactly what makes it interesting and her choice to turn him down (at first) interesting.

[Bob]

Why didn't you just choose Little Women, for crying out loud?

Pride and Prejudice: Part Taming of the Shrew, part teen romance novel, part Victorian fluff piece.

I had to read it once for college English. Once was enough. Bad choice out of you guys. I'll wait for the June book, if I'm around a computer then.

Anyway, the entire exercise is probably futile, no matter which classic you choose. No matter what, there will be too many pesky words and not enough pictures (and zero video) to appeal to today's YouTube crowd. The age of logic and technology has overwritten man's ability to interpret art.

I watched it on PBS and am in the starting stages of continuing education to renew my RE license. 45 hrs of studying a topic I know very well. CA wastes my time.

[Bob]

Unless you are female, unless you understand what women in that era went through should they not be rich and unmarried. It was social commentary, not a Taming of the Shrew as Elizabeth was neither a shrew nor tamed @Heyduke (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=978).

Maybe football is just baseball in winter.

Hey, that is a catchy phrase.

[Perianne]

Well, I have just finished the first 52 pages, up until chapter 11. I have never read anything quite like it and I look forward to our discussion on Monday. I will say that I am quite fond of Elizabeth.

Please, let's not discuss it until Monday when everyone has read it?

[Green Arrow]

I'm going to be reading the pages Saturday. My new work schedule has my first day off before Monday at Saturday.

[momsapplepie]

I watched it on PBS and am in the starting stages of continuing education to renew my RE license. 45 hrs of studying a topic I know very well. CA wastes my time.

Just got mine renewed. Ever try Compass? a one time fee and you can take the cont. ed class for free for ever. Never have to pay for cont ed classes again. Gotta love it!

[Bob]

Just got mine renewed. Ever try Compass? a one time fee and you can take the cont. ed class for free for ever. Never have to pay for cont ed classes again. Gotta love it!

No, never knew of it. I will check it. The fee for the 45 hrs is $29. Cheapest ever that I know of. At age 75, let's hope I will be around in 4 years. I saw the doctor today and he was very happy with my condition. Told me that Obama care is clumsy but has driven patients to him who formerly could not buy insurance. I was right. A lot of those who agreed to buy insurance, simply could not before.

[momsapplepie]

The fee is $189 and you go to a 2 1/2 day seminar. They basically give you the answers and certify you. Again, you can go for life and never pay the fee again to get your cont. ed. The first two days is nothing but marketing ideas which I found great. The last 1/2 day is your cont. ed and like I said, they basically give you the answers and certify you that day. and what's really great is you can go anytime you want in your 4 years.
I renewed online in less than 10 mins.

[momsapplepie]

Pm me if you are interested and I can give you the link. Also you can get money off if you refer them to your office. They come and give their little spiel, and if others sign up, you get money off your fees! I had a great time, networking and it was at a major resort casino!

[Green Arrow]

Not gonna lie...I'm having a hard time with this :tongue:

[Perianne]

Not gonna lie...I'm having a hard time with this :tongue:

Why you have hard time?

[Alyosha]

The language is "old". Oh Paperback Writer says he will log on for this tomorrow.
Perianne Matalese Green Arrow Dark Mistress momsapplepie

what time do you think we should start?

[Perianne]

The language is "old". Oh @Paperback Writer (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=862) says he will log on for this tomorrow.
@Perianne (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=762) @Matalese (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=796) @Green Arrow (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=868) @Dark Mistress (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=1083) @momsapplepie (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=889)

what time do you think we should start?

Alyosha, it's your idea. How about you tell us what to do and how it is going to work? I will be available any time of the day, though I would prefer after 6p.

[Matty]

Would evening be okay? I have some running around to do.

[Alyosha]

After 6pm looks like it works for you gals, so I can do that. This is going to be fun. Hey! Let's all promise to make tea and drink it while we discuss the book!

Dark Mistress can drink herbal tea.

[Peter1469]

Which book are you broads reading? :smiley:

[Alyosha]

IMPress Polly

if you can read 50 pages tonight (I know you can) and promise not to throw shade at Mr. Darcy, do you want to join the book club?

[Matty]

After 6pm looks like it works for you gals, so I can do that. This is going to be fun. Hey! Let's all promise to make tea and drink it while we discuss the book!

Dark Mistress can drink herbal tea.


I have practiced the art of curling mine little finger.

[Alyosha]

Which book are you broads reading? :smiley:

Miss Austen's, Pride and Prejudice

[Alyosha]

Paperback Writer

I do appreciate your returning for the club and I will read your posts with your delightful accent. :)

This is so splendid! Jane Austen makes me happy.

[Peter1469]

Miss Austen's, Pride and Prejudice

For the love of God...

[Alyosha]

For the love of God...

Yes. Oh yes.

[Peter1469]

Yes. Oh yes.


Is Code taking part in this knitting circle? :smiley:

[IMPress Polly]

Alyosha wrote:
@IMPress Polly (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=399)

if you can read 50 pages tonight (I know you can) and promise not to throw shade at Mr. Darcy, do you want to join the book club?

Well I've read Pride and Prejudice before, so I think I'd just need to skim. :grin:

The gist of my sentiments is simply that obviously titles like this were a hallmark of the romantic era; an era which really introduced the world to the concept of the love-based marriage (among other things) in a significant way. Relative to the hitherto prevailing alternative of marriages arranged by fathers, this was a very feminist idea. I dare highlight that it was one of the many changes wrought by the industrial revolution. (The philosophical connection between the two things can be seen in the overlap between the individualist ethos of industrial capitalism and the growth of opportunities for women.) We are undergoing an at least equally significant technological revolution today known as the information revolution that will surely consequences for social relations that are at least as sweeping. Jane Austen's tremendous popularity today I think may be in many respects symptomatic of the revival of feminism we've seen in these last few years; not necessarily directly connected, but a sort of cultural byproduct thereof.

Anyway, yes I think I can find time to review the first 50 pages at some point today (although it will be skimming).

[Alyosha]

Well I've read Pride and Prejudice before, so I think I'd just need to skim. :grin:

The jist of my sentiments is simply that obviously titles like this were a hallmark of the romantic era; an era which really introduced the world to the concept of the love-based marriage (among other things) in a significant way. Relative to the hitherto prevailing alternative of marriages arranged by fathers, this was a very feminist idea. I dare highlight that it was one of the many changes wrought by the industrial revolution. We are undergoing an at least equally significant technological revolution today known as the information revolution that will surely consequences for social relations that are at least as sweeping. Jane Austen's tremendous popularity today I think may be in many respects symptomatic of the revival of feminism we've seen in these last few years; not necessarily directly connected, but a sort of cultural byproduct thereof.

Anyway, yes I think I can find time to review the first 50 pages at some point today (although it will be skimming).


This was the era of Mary Wollstonecraft, a known "adventuress" as feminists were called them. I love that! Adventuress or actress! It was a polite way of calling someone a "slut" or "whore".

Vindication of the Rights of Women was a masterpiece, IMO. The unmarried Miss Austen was, in her own regard, ahead of her time. Having had the opportunity to marry for money, and rescinded her acquiescence showed a certain sort of feminine bravery and faith in her ability to financially care for herself. Having the opportunity to marry for love, but destroy her loved one, likewise choosing not to showed a great passion and love that was also brave.

Jane Austen is a hero of mine in her own quiet way.

[Alyosha]

I am going to post the test Which Austen Character Are You? so we can all take it ahead of time.

@IMPress Polly (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=399) and @Dark Mistress (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=1083) since you are familiar with the novels, can you guess who I am?


Hint: as much as I would like to be Elizabeth, I am not. :(

[Dark Mistress]

Alyosha
Elinor Dashwood?

[Alyosha]

@Alyosha (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=863)
Elinor Dashwood?

Good call, but no. She's always my #2. I am always "Emma".

[Dark Mistress]

Haha I just took 3 different quizzes and got 3 different Jane Austen characters! Anne Elliot. Elizabeth Bennett. Elinor Dashwood.
(Stuck home from church with sick baby...I don't usually hop on here on Sundays...) Hi everyone! :hello:

[Dark Mistress]

After 6pm looks like it works for you gals, so I can do that. This is going to be fun. Hey! Let's all promise to make tea and drink it while we discuss the book!

Dark Mistress can drink herbal tea.

I am devoted to my herbal teas! They are a big part of my stress/depression therapies.

[Dark Mistress]

@Paperback Writer (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=862)

I do appreciate your returning for the club and I will read your posts with your delightful accent. :)

This is so splendid! Jane Austen makes me happy.
Alyosha
Me too. I sat in the park reading with my kids and I forgot how "thrilling" reading Jane Austen is. I get goosebumps when I read her.

[Perianne]

I took a test: Elinor Dashwood. Who is Elinor Dashwood?

[Alyosha]

I see you as an Ann Elliot. You are steadfast and delightful. I can see where a dashing military man would seek you out.

You know she was Jane's favorite character? Dark Mistress

[Alyosha]

I took a test: Elinor Dashwood. Who is Elinor Dashwood?
Perianne, that is a great character to be! I would not have guessed it, but now that you say it I am more endeared to you than previously.

Elinor loves her family above all else, would sacrifice all for them.

Bravo!

[Chloe]

I took two different Jane Austen quizzes and got Fanny Price and Elinor Dashwood as my matches

[Alyosha]

I took two different Jane Austen quizzes and got Fanny Price and Elinor Dashwood as my matches

You are a Fanny Price! I love it! Yes, you are kind, loving, peace keeping, principled and devoted. Chloe

[Green Arrow]

I won't be able to participate in the discussion until Tuesday. I work 6-4:30 AM and likely won't have time before work on Monday to hop in for a lengthy period.

[Dark Mistress]

I see you as an Ann Elliot. You are steadfast and delightful. I can see where a dashing military man would seek you out.

You know she was Jane's favorite character? @Dark Mistress (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=1083)

I have actually found that I relate with Anne Elliot more than any other as much as I love Elizabeth and Pride and Prejudice. And after the newer rendition of Persuasion I would take this man any day.(ya know, if I were not a married already) :wink:

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[Alyosha]

I have actually found that I relate with Anne Elliot more than any other as much as I love Elizabeth and Pride and Prejudice. And after the newer rendition of Persuasion I would take this man any day.(ya know, if I were not a married already) :wink:

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Wait? What version??? Link up Dark Mistress

[Alyosha]

I am very much Emma. I am proud, arrogant, but at the same time fiercely devoted to my friends and family to the point of hurting my own heart. I meddle in the affairs of others while my life goes unnoticed. I am the female that needs to be taken down a peg, but is capable of admitting my flaw and will go to great lengths to make amends.
Green Arrow would be my "Miss Smith" on here.

[Dark Mistress]

I took a test: Elinor Dashwood. Who is Elinor Dashwood? Perianne
Main character in Sense and Sensibility. If you like Pride and Prejudice-read it next. So good. And if you never read it at least see the film.
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Emma Thompson (Elinor), Kate Winslet, Hugh Grant, Alan Rickman. Classic. If you have a sister/sisters you'll love it. I have 3 and we all love watching this one together. And Little Women

[Dark Mistress]

Wait? What version??? Link up @Dark Mistress (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=1083) @Alyosha (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=863)
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2007 version. I have both this and the 1995 with Ciaran Hinds, but Rupert Penry-Jones speaks to my heart...and eyes.:shocked:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0844330/?ref_=fn_al_tt_2

[Perianne]

It's 6p. Where are the girls? I am eager to discuss.

[Alyosha]

Peri, it's Sunday honey. Tomorrow is Monday. :)

[Perianne]

Peri, it's Sunday honey. Tomorrow is Monday. :)

hahahahaha. I work midnights and get the days confused. Plus, I am old.

I actually set my alarm clock so I would get up.

[Alyosha]

Awwww, ((hugs)) This is actually a positive female + Green Arrow thing we're all done. I'm so excited!

[Perianne]

Awwww, ((hugs)) This is actually a positive female + Green Arrow thing we're all done. I'm so excited!

To be honest, I might not have continued the book if I hadn't known I would get others' views on it. It got a little stale at one point. I do like Elizabeth, though. I am excited, too.

[Alyosha]

It gets better, way better.

[Perianne]

It gets better, way better.

I trust that it will. I don't believe you and Dark Mistress and momsapplepie would lead me astray.

[Dark Mistress]

I trust that it will. I don't believe you and Dark Mistress and momsapplepie would lead me astray.

Definitely not. You have to get through it the first time to truly appreciate it.

[IMPress Polly]

According to the Quiz Farm test for females, I'm a 91% match for Elizabeth Bennet. Here's their readout of the details:


You Scored as Elizabeth Bennet
As one of Austen's most beloved characters, Elizabeth Bennet represents what most women would like to become: strong, independent, and loyal. Of course, she has her faults including a stubborn will of iron and a clinging to first impressions. Overall, Lizzie is bright and lovable...something to admire and aspire to.

Elizabeth Bennet: 91%
Elinor Dashwood: 84%
Emma Woodhouse: 59%
Marianne Dashwood: 41%
Charlotte Lucas: 38%
Jane Bennet: 34%
Lady Catherine: 13%

I don't think I'd characterize my mental/emotional state as by any means ideal (in reality, my internal misery is difficult to match, much unlike that of Jane Austen's character), but other than that, yeah sounds about right. I judge people quickly because I feel I'm usually right, I don't change my opinions easily because they're well-researched and carefully considered, I'm a very bookish/logic-oriented kind of person in general, definitely independent, etc. etc. Loyal...? Umm...that might be the part that's not totally accurate. I'm basically loyal, but not to the point of blindness. And, to stress this once again, I'm NOT happy. I am no ideal to look to. (e.g. I'm logic-oriented mostly because I'm depressed, which means that I'm literally incapable of feeling much in the way of positive emotions.)

Anyway, I was able to re-read a ways into Pride and Prejudice yesterday. Based on that refresher course, here are my general thoughts on the start of the book:

I totally want to attend a 19th formal century dance like this. :grin: Modern raves can be okay, but they're just no match for this kind of sophistication and dignity, even if it's mostly insincere. Maybe when they invent a time machine I'll be able to switch places with Ms. Austen for our mutual benefit. :wink: But seriously, I can't imagine living in this kind of social context where you're under so much pressure to marry, and preferably wealthy, all the time. I relate to Elizabeth's predicament and instinctive sentiments broadly vis-a-vis Darcy. I'm swift to judge men who claim that appearances and popularity are dividing-line factors in their partners.

As to this question of how long one should spend investigating partners before committing, I rather think a long time.

Ah Miss Bingley! Voice of the 1% and its prejudices against all lower classes. What else is there to say of her? But Darcy the voice of reason against her? Doesn't seem likely. Not in the real world.

At this point I feel confident to make the point that the 'class blindness' Austen will ultimately advocate in this book stems from a sort of pro-middle-class outlook that relates in some senses to the plights of a whole range of social strata, but frankly with a clear bias in favor of wealthier classes. For example, the genuinely poor immense majority of the population aren't even discussed in this title to my recollection. My only point here being that this 'class neutrality' is not as truly neutral as it appears. The class consciousness Austen presents the reader with here is sincere, but it is more the contest between small-time property owners and big-time ones than it is between those who do own property and those who don't. Those who don't aren't even worthy of mention, let alone consideration as prospects, evidently. I have my own judgments though. My boyfriend is penniless and lacking in social graces, but sharp as a tack and the most empathetic person I know. The latter points are the ones that count with me. I don't mind being with someone "lower" on the class spectrum than myself. Neither is it an essential thing though. My limitations are more in the opposite direction of Austen's: I don't know about being with someone more than two or three times as wealthy as myself (and I'm not that well-off) because I would tend to judge such a person as intrinsically pompous. Austen would likely caution me not to prejudge in such a way and maybe she'd be right. I just feel that she has her own implicit class prejudices as well. That's what I'm saying.

[Paperback Writer]

So six p.m. then? It was not yet mentioned who would be leading the discussion or what topics we will be addressing. Therefore, I suggest during the course of the day we list the possible subjects here in this thread and we choose as a group those which are most inviting.

I look forward to discussing this fine example of English literature with you all.


I am a bit surprised that @Gerrard Winstanley (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=864) was not invited, nor @Refugee (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=1060). One would think their input to be invaluable, however if I must go it alone I shall! I take full responsibility in representing the Crown's interest in bettering the opines of our little group on our national treasure, Jane Austen, on my own. I will be attempting to make tea with what rubbish exists in Codenames cupboards. Do forgive me if it tastes like ****.

Tara!

[Paperback Writer]

I don't believe there are quizzes for Austen men, but if there were I would undoubtedly be Mr. Knightly. I have far more humour than Darcy, though I am quite dashing and "a catch".
Alyosha did you invite Ser? I'd be interested in his opinions regarding Austen.

[IMPress Polly]

Oh sorry about posting my thoughts early, btw! I won't likely be online this evening, so I thought I'd best just get my thoughts out there now.


Paperback Writer wrote:
I don't believe there are quizzes for Austen men, but if there were I would undoubtedly be Mr. Knightly. I have far more humour than Darcy, though I am quite dashing and "a catch".

I think there is one actually, as when I Googled "Jane Austen Character Test", an option popped up that read "Jane Austen character test for men". Try Googling that and see what comes up.

[Paperback Writer]

I can't speak for everyone, naturally, but I thank you for your thoughts.

[Dark Mistress]

I don't believe there are quizzes for Austen men, but if there were I would undoubtedly be Mr. Knightly. I have far more humour than Darcy, though I am quite dashing and "a catch".
@Alyosha (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=863) did you invite Ser? I'd be interested in his opinions regarding Austen. Cthulhu took a man quiz yesterday. Got Mr. Darcy. I certainly called that one!

[Paperback Writer]

@Cthulhu (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=872) took a man quiz yesterday. Got Mr. Darcy. I certainly called that one!

Where is this "man quiz" to which you speak?

[Dark Mistress]

http://quizfarm.com/quizzes/new/Shellsabells/which-jane-austen-hero-are-you--for-guys/

Here you go Paperback Writer
You too Green Arrow

[Cthulhu]

@Cthulhu (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=872) took a man quiz yesterday. Got Mr. Darcy. I certainly called that one!

Probably the most accurate. Although I would fancy myself as Mr. Knightly of off Emma, I'm not as sociable as he is.

Plus he doesn't have my man chin....but he does have dogs so I got nothin' on that.

[Paperback Writer]

This quiz is rubbish. Everything that is "Darcy" oriented is just being English. I am certainly not Darcy, though some would wish me to be. I have humour, though not the American style. I am community oriented in an "English" way. I am social in an "English" way. I think this quiz should be labeled "For Yanks Only".

[Dark Mistress]

Probably the most accurate. Although I would fancy myself as Mr. Knightly of off Emma, I'm not as sociable as he is.

Plus he doesn't have my man chin....but he does have dogs so I got nothin' on that. Cthulhu You are no Knightley. Sorry. Just Facts.

[Peter1469]

The quiz said that I was Mr. Darcy.

[Paperback Writer]

Everyone's Mr. Darcy in that bloody quiz. It's rubbish. They know that some woman told her boyfriend to take it and when he comes back Mr. Darcy she can tell her friends all about it.

[Peter1469]

Everyone's Mr. Darcy in that bloody quiz. It's rubbish. They know that some woman told her boyfriend to take it and when he comes back Mr. Darcy she can tell her friends all about it.

Likely the case.

[Alyosha]

I'm sorry I was under the weather and ill prepared for our club today.

I pulled some sample questions from another book club:


1. Why do you think the first line of the novel, "It is a truth universally acknowledged that a single man in possession of a good fortune must be in want of a wife" such a well known line?

2. What important lesson do readers learn from Elizabeth?


4. Which character is this quote referring to: "You never see a fault in anybody. All the world are good and agreeable in your eyes. I never heard you speak ill of a human being in my life" (11)

.5. What is dangerous about never seeing the fault in anyone?6. Pride and Prejudice's original title was First Impressions. Do you think Pride and Prejudice is more fitting?


7. How would you describe the relationship between the Bennet sisters?


8. How would you describe the relationship between Mr. and Mrs. Bennet?

[Paperback Writer]

Why Miss Woodhouse! I am quite concerned that your participation in our little society might overtax your delicate sensibilities.

[Alyosha]

Thank you, Mr. Knightly for your concern. I assure you I am quite capable of discussing our novel.

[Matty]

Well goodie. I have been suffering through a massive sinus headache and still trying to read, and now I have to take a test?

[Paperback Writer]

As you wish.

[Peter1469]

Hope that you are OK.

1. Historically men of means (upper class, and then the emerging middle class) secured their fortunes before settling down. And they settled down with significantly younger women. Not that there is anything wrong with that. :smiley:

4. Jane? The paragraph is confusing from a modern point of view. Quote after quote without clues as to who is talking at a time.

5. If you don't see a fault in a person, you are likely blinded by emotion. Pride and Prejudice is more fitting. The book is about the upper crust of English society. Everyone has an agenda.

8. It is interesting. Mrs. Bennet is playing the game hard. Mr. Bennet seems unconcerned with the game, but is in fact playing 3d chess.


"Mr. Bennet, how can you abuse your own children in such a way? You take delight in vexing me. You have no compassion for my poor nerves."

"You mistake me, my dear. I have a high respect for your nerves. They are my old friends. I have heard you mention them with consideration these last twenty years at least."

"Ah, you do not know what I suffer."

"But I hope you will get over it, and live to see many young men of four thousand a year come into the neighbourhood."

"It will be no use to us, if twenty such should come, since you will not visit them."

"Depend upon it, my dear, that when there are twenty, I will visit them all."




I'm sorry I was under the weather and ill prepared for our club today.

I pulled some sample questions from another book club:


1. Why do you think the first line of the novel, "It is a truth universally acknowledged that a single man in possession of a good fortune must be in want of a wife" such a well known line?

2. What important lesson do readers learn from Elizabeth?


4. Which character is this quote referring to: "You never see a fault in anybody. All the world are good and agreeable in your eyes. I never heard you speak ill of a human being in my life" (11)

.5. What is dangerous about never seeing the fault in anyone?6. Pride and Prejudice's original title was First Impressions. Do you think Pride and Prejudice is more fitting?


7. How would you describe the relationship between the Bennet sisters?


8. How would you describe the relationship between Mr. and Mrs. Bennet?

[Matty]

I'm sorry I was under the weather and ill prepared for our club today.

I pulled some sample questions from another book club:


1. Why do you think the first line of the novel, "It is a truth universally acknowledged that a single man in possession of a good fortune must be in want of a wife" such a well known line?
Hell if I know.
2. What important lesson do readers learn from Elizabeth?

In the first 50 pages? She is very inquisitive, she's in love with Darcy. She adores Jane.
4. Which character is this quote referring to: "You never see a fault in anybody. All the world are good and agreeable in your eyes. I never heard you speak ill of a human being in my life" (11) mr. Bingley?

.5. What is dangerous about never seeing the fault in anyone?6. Pride and Prejudice's original title was First Impressions. Do you think Pride and Prejudice is more fitting?


7. How would you describe the relationship between the Bennet sisters?

8. How would you describe the relationship between Mr. and Mrs. Bennet?
He cannot stand her, he tolerates her.

[Paperback Writer]

Why do you think the first line of the novel, "It is a truth universally acknowledged that a single man in possession of a good fortune must be in want of a wife" such a well known line?

I think this is indicative of a lady author being ironic. She is winking at us. We know that it is a "she" who is writing the novel, and we know that she is in on the joke by beginning her fiction thusly.

"Everyone" knows this. Everyone except perhaps the man.

[Alyosha]

Why do you think the first line of the novel, "It is a truth universally acknowledged that a single man in possession of a good fortune must be in want of a wife" such a well known line?

I think this is indicative of a lady author being ironic. She is winking at us. We know that it is a "she" who is writing the novel, and we know that she is in on the joke by beginning her fiction thusly.

"Everyone" knows this. Everyone except perhaps the man.


My dear Mr. Knightly, how I've missed you!

ahem

I agree with this. This is our Jane being ironic. She is having a good laugh at the her small world. Of course they are in want of a wife! That excuses all the machinations we use to bring our daughters to them.

I think that the whole ball scene is her having a good chuckle at the game being played.

[Alyosha]

This first ball is there to contrast between "country" and "Town". Seeing how lively and as close to spontaneous as they can be is her setting the stage for what will come. Things are much easier at the country ball, less contrived, so much less at stake.

When I read this scene I want to be there.

[Ethereal]

1. Why do you think the first line of the novel, "It is a truth universally acknowledged that a single man in possession of a good fortune must be in want of a wife" such a well known line?


Because it's such a well-known novel!

2. What important lesson do readers learn from Elizabeth?

The importance of family seems like a central lesson we take from her. Everything in her life revolves around and is filtered through the family unit, specifically, the issue of marriage.

5. What is dangerous about never seeing the fault in anyone?

It is dangerous for both parties. The party committing the fault will have their bad behavior reinforced and the party ignoring the fault may become an enabler.

6. Pride and Prejudice's original title was First Impressions. Do you think Pride and Prejudice is more fitting?

Yes, because First Impressions doesn't convey the depth and range of the emotions and attitudes explored in Austen's novel.

7. How would you describe the relationship between the Bennet sisters?

An ensemble of personality types that form a tenuous whole, the goal of which is to find a proper husband.

:grin:

[Peter1469]

7. How would you describe the relationship between the Bennet sisters?

An ensemble of personality types that form a tenuous whole, the goal of which is to find a proper husband.

:grin:



I think the important question is what these women saw as a proper husband.

[Paperback Writer]

As a male reading this I find the urgency to the first chapter alarming. Men are hunted!

The mother is a ludicrous figure insofar as Miss Austen is concerned, and yet for that time what she was doing would be appropriate for that situation. Get them matched and quickly. I think that in spite of this fiction being considered a great romance, Jane is showing her own opinion of behaviour she finds repulsive in her world.

The question I had written down for tonight was, who was Miss Austen writing for?

[Peter1469]

As a male reading this I find the urgency to the first chapter alarming. Men are hunted!

The mother is a ludicrous figure insofar as Miss Austen is concerned, and yet for that time what she was doing would be appropriate for that situation. Get them matched and quickly. I think that in spite of this fiction being considered a great romance, Jane is showing her own opinion of behaviour she finds repulsive in her world.

The question I had written down for tonight was, who was Miss Austen writing for?

The men are hunting too.

[Paperback Writer]

Pride and Prejudice's original title was First Impressions. Do you think Pride and Prejudice is more fitting?

Yes, because First Impressions doesn't convey the depth and range of the emotions and attitudes explored in Austen's novel.


I dare say I disagree with this assertion. First Impressions is a play on words. What is your first impression of the novel? Is it a romance? Yes, on first impression. On second impression one can discern that it is a parable of social proprieties.

[Peter1469]

I dare say I disagree with this assertion. First Impressions is a play on words. What is your first impression of the novel? Is it a romance? Yes, on first impression. On second impression one can discern that it is a parable of social proprieties.

bingo

[Matty]

Was it just me or did anyone else find the reading tedious? I was bored most of the time as well as sick. These people have too much time on their hands. And what is it with Laiying up sick in someone's house for days and days?

[Alyosha]

The men are hunting too.

Yes, they are hunting, as well. Their qualifications are aptly displayed in the scene with Mr. Darcy describing an accomplished woman. I love that they thought in these terms and I am always intrigued by what they consider accomplished in women. I think Jane is mocking us there, as well.

Drawing, painting, and extensive reading.

[Peter1469]

Was it just me or did anyone else find the reading tedious? I was bored most of the time as well as sick. These people have too much time on their hands. And what is it with Laiying up sick in someone's house for days and days?

These are wealthy families- to one degree or another. That is what they did.

[Alyosha]

Was it just me or did anyone else find the reading tedious? I was bored most of the time as well as sick. These people have too much time on their hands. And what is it with Laiying up sick in someone's house for days and days?

During this time "bleeding" was how sicknesses were handled. That's why so many people died and their colds lingered.

[Peter1469]

Yes, they are hunting, as well. Their qualifications are aptly displayed in the scene with Mr. Darcy describing an accomplished woman. I love that they thought in these terms and I am always intrigued by what they consider accomplished in women. I think Jane is mocking us there, as well.

Drawing, painting, and extensive reading.

Is that a taunt, or was that what was valued at that time?

[Paperback Writer]

Is that a taunt, or was that what was valued at that time?

It was what governesses were paid for, and was a sign of wealth and breeding. I would dare say they placed more stock in dowry and a pretty face than water colours.

[Alyosha]

Perianne

((cough cough))

[Alyosha]

One of my favorite scenes is the first meeting of Darcy and Miss Elizabeth. I lean towards the original title of "First Impressions" not only for the reasons Andrew listed, but how absolutely wrong their first impression was of the other!


@Ethereal (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=870) and I had a horrible "first impression", or at least I had a horrible first impression of him. I thought he was incredibly asinine and refused to accept that he was anything less than a heartless capitalist. It took months to get over that impression and actually understand that our politics were not world's apart, but inches.

[Ethereal]

One of my favorite scenes is the first meeting of Darcy and Miss Elizabeth. I lean towards the original title of "First Impressions" not only for the reasons Andrew listed, but how absolutely wrong their first impression was of the other!


@Ethereal (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=870) and I had a horrible "first impression", or at least I had a horrible first impression of him. I thought he was incredibly asinine and refused to accept that he was anything less than a heartless capitalist. It took months to get over that impression and actually understand that our politics were not world's apart, but inches.

Well, clearly I am right because they ultimately chose Pride & Prejudice, which makes it the default better choice.

:grin:

[Perianne]

@Perianne (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=762)

((cough cough))

Here are some of my thoughts of the first 52 pages.

I did not like Mr. Darcy, as his arrogance would quickly turn me off. I liked Elizabeth as she felt about him the same way I did.

Elizabeth seems to care more about her sister than did the rest of her family. If that had been my daughter that was sick, I would have been there instead of leaving it to another daughter.

The people all talk oddly, but maybe that is the way they talked back then, or maybe it is related to the English way of talking.

Like Matalese, I found a few pages of the book a bit tedious, but I am curious as to how it will end. I think there is more to it than can be discerned from just one reading, so I will more-or-less read the thoughts of others on here.

[Paperback Writer]

I would like to tackle this one next:

What is dangerous about never seeing the fault in anyone?

Jane is representative of the typical village girl of Miss Austen's era. You'll note that she is the village beauty, she is accepting of customs, she never sees a fault in anyone, and her socially instilled reticence was typical of the era. Yet over the course of this fiction she is also tortured by the author. Every single one of these traits leads her further away from happiness. Had Lydia not run off with Wickham, had Miss Elizabeth not charmed Mr. Darcy she would have never married well at all.

I think that Miss Austen takes out her frustrations on that acquiescent lifestyle upon "Jane" for a reason. What say you, Miss Woodhouse?

[Perianne]

I would like to tackle this one next:

What is dangerous about never seeing the fault in anyone?

Jane is representative of the typical village girl of Miss Austen's era. You'll note that she is the village beauty, she is accepting of customs, she never sees a fault in anyone, and her socially instilled reticence was typical of the era. Yet over the course of this fiction she is also tortured by the author. Every single one of these traits leads her further away from happiness. Had Lydia not run off with Wickham, had Miss Elizabeth not charmed Mr. Darcy she would have never married well at all.

I think that Miss Austen takes out her frustrations on that acquiescent lifestyle upon "Jane" for a reason. What say you, Miss Woodhouse?

PBW, are you telling things that I haven't read yet?

[Alyosha]

I think that she walked a fine line. Women writers were few and not well paid. If she allowed Lydia and Miss Elizabeth to both marry well and Jane marry someone not wealthy and from the village her novel would have been frowned upon because it rewarded risk and bad behavior (Lydia) and bold behavior (Lizzy) and not temperance.

I appreciate the question, btw, Mr. Knightly.

[Perianne]

Are ya'll already talking about how it ends?

[Alyosha]

PBW, are you telling things that I haven't read yet?

oops! Back to the dance! Peri, what did you think of the country ball? Didn't you at least wish you could attend something like that?

[Matty]

These are wealthy families- to one degree or another. That is what they did.


First 50 pages tells me the women in this era are wholly dependent on their father, brother, uncle, or lovers fortune. Their fate lay entirely in whom they marry or in the benevolence of a male family member.

[Peter1469]

That was deliberate on Miss Austen's part.


One of my favorite scenes is the first meeting of Darcy and Miss Elizabeth. I lean towards the original title of "First Impressions" not only for the reasons Andrew listed, but how absolutely wrong their first impression was of the other!


@Ethereal (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=870) and I had a horrible "first impression", or at least I had a horrible first impression of him. I thought he was incredibly asinine and refused to accept that he was anything less than a heartless capitalist. It took months to get over that impression and actually understand that our politics were not world's apart, but inches.

[Perianne]

oops! Back to the dance! Peri, what did you think of the country ball? Didn't you at least wish you could attend something like that?

Yes, I would like to attend such a ball.

Question: they tended to enjoy balls. Are the balls something like the Cinderella type of balls, or are they just get togethers, or parties, or what?

Guys, please don't make this about testicles.

[Paperback Writer]

Here are some of my thoughts of the first 52 pages.

I did not like Mr. Darcy, as his arrogance would quickly turn me off. I liked Elizabeth as she felt about him the same way I did.

Elizabeth seems to care more about her sister than did the rest of her family. If that had been my daughter that was sick, I would have been there instead of leaving it to another daughter.

The people all talk oddly, but maybe that is the way they talked back then, or maybe it is related to the English way of talking.

Like Matalese, I found a few pages of the book a bit tedious, but I am curious as to how it will end. I think there is more to it than can be discerned from just one reading, so I will more-or-less read the thoughts of others on here.

I think this is the author showing you how ruthless the marriage mart, as it was called then, could be. Throw one daughter to the wolves for the perfect match!

[Perianne]

First 50 pages tells me the women in this era are wholly dependent on their father, brother, uncle, or lovers fortune. Their fate lay entirely in whom they marry or in the benevolence of a male family member.

Exactly, such a sad time. Look at all the professional women on here who have contributed to society. I suppose, Matalese, that we would not have known any differently and would have accepted that that is how life is.

[Paperback Writer]

Yes, I would like to attend such a ball.

Question: they tended to enjoy balls. Are the balls something like the Cinderella type of balls, or are they just get togethers, or parties, or what?

Guys, please don't make this about testicles.

**bows**

Never during Austen would I utter such ill humour!

They were a mix of "Cinderella" and a large party.

[Perianne]

I think this is the author showing you how ruthless the marriage mart, as it was called then, could be. Throw one daughter to the wolves for the perfect match!

I am not following you? Throw one daughter to the wolves? What are you talking about, sir?

[Perianne]

**bows**

Never during Austen would I utter such ill humour!

They were a mix of "Cinderella" and a large party.

So, did they wear big dresses and the like?

[Peter1469]

Yes, I would like to attend such a ball.

Question: they tended to enjoy balls. Are the balls something like the Cinderella type of balls, or are they just get togethers, or parties, or what?

Guys, please don't make this about testicles.

They were parties that revolved around a dance. Or dancing. It was a way of wooing someone. More formal than today.

[Alyosha]

I am not following you? Throw one daughter to the wolves? What are you talking about, sir?

Jane was the sacrificial lamb for her family. If she married a rich man the entire family would benefit.

[Perianne]

First 50 pages tells me the women in this era are wholly dependent on their father, brother, uncle, or lovers fortune. Their fate lay entirely in whom they marry or in the benevolence of a male family member.

And to add to my earlier post, I so far tend to see Elizabeth as different. Her fate is why I want to read the rest of the book.... if'n no one else tells how it ends.

[Alyosha]

So, did they wear big dresses and the like?

Not then. I LOVE gowns from this period. IF I marry again, which I won't, but IF I did I would have my dress look like something from the regency period.

[Perianne]

They were parties that revolved around a dance. Or dancing. It was a way of wooing someone. More formal that today.

So, why was that arrogant Mr. Darcy there?, as he obviously thought he was too goody-goody for the local girls.

[Peter1469]

First 50 pages tells me the women in this era are wholly dependent on their father, brother, uncle, or lovers fortune. Their fate lay entirely in whom they marry or in the benevolence of a male family member.

Yes, that was the historical reality. And that is why the girls were so interested in a wealthy man. Their world view taught them to seek that out. A kind man as well. But wealth was the prime motivator. But then perhaps the heroine of our book was a bit different. But I don't want to spoil anything.

[Perianne]

Not then. I LOVE gowns from this period. IF I marry again, which I won't, but IF I did I would have my dress look like something from the regency period.

How do you know what they looked like?

[Peter1469]

So, why was that arrogant Mr. Darcy there?, as he obviously thought he was too goody-goody for the local girls.

He is aloof. I hope that doesn't upset Alyosha for me to say that.

[Perianne]

But then perhaps the heroine of our book was a bit different. But I don't want to spoil anything.

Please, no one spoil it for us. Thank you, Peter. I do want to read the rest of it and I haven't read any more because I am old and am afraid I will not remember as much if I read ahead.

Anyway, I am hoping that Elizabeth is different from the rest.

[Peter1469]

Exactly, such a sad time. Look at all the professional women on here who have contributed to society. I suppose, Matalese, that we would not have known any differently and would have accepted that that is how life is.

But as you see from the book, the women are more cunning in how to obtain what they want than today.

[Perianne]

He is aloof. I hope that doesn't upset @Alyosha (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=863) for me to say that.

Obviously he is aloof, but I also took it that he was a tag-along with his buddy, only to frown upon the local women.

[Perianne]

But as you see from the book, the women are more cunning in how to obtain what they want than today.

I think that is yet to be seen. Perhaps further along I will agree with you.

[Peter1469]

I think that is yet to be seen. Perhaps further along I will agree with you.

Fair enough. :smiley:

[Dark Mistress]

So, did they wear big dresses and the like?


I believe it depended on the era and fashion at the time. I am sure they wore their "best" or their "ball gowns." Fashion back then was not always big poofy dresses with the big hoop slip that fanned out the skirt. I don't know the timeline for the fashion though.

[Alyosha]

How do you know what they looked like?

I studied this period extensively. :D

[Perianne]

I studied this period extensively. :D

I wasn't trying to be smart ass about it. Can you easily point me to an example?

[Matty]

Yes, that was the historical reality. And that is why the girls were so interested in a wealthy man. Their world view taught them to seek that out. A kind man as well. But wealth was the prime motivator. But then perhaps the heroine of our book was a bit different. But I don't want to spoil anything.


Didn't English law prohibit a female from inheriting the estate? Enter Mr. Collins?

[Dark Mistress]

How do you know what they looked like?
Regency Period Clothing
7523

[Alyosha]

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_FOXStASY67Q/S8OujwXKPvI/AAAAAAAABlU/rxFbxSmE8fw/s1600/PBS+10.JPG

[Alyosha]

Didn't English law prohibit a female from inheriting the estate? Enter Mr. Collins?

Mr. Knightly?

[Dark Mistress]

But as you see from the book, the women are more cunning in how to obtain what they want than today.

I feel that it was more difficult to obtain what one wanted in that period. Everything is so easy now. Go drive to the store down the road and obtain. Dating world-online. Heck, we marry people from different countries and opposite sides of the country. Women had to be cunning or hope that fate handed them what they desired.

[Perianne]

Oooh. I love those dresses. I would look sooo good in those!

[Perianne]

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_FOXStASY67Q/S8OujwXKPvI/AAAAAAAABlU/rxFbxSmE8fw/s1600/PBS+10.JPG
Alyosha, who is the lovely woman with the man?

[Paperback Writer]

Matalese

the Crown entailed estates to male lineage as a "default". There were certain lines of nobility with the authority to choose how to appropriate the wealth of the estate, but they could not defer the title unless a Great Scandal occurred!

[Peter1469]

Didn't English law prohibit a female from inheriting the estate? Enter Mr. Collins?

Yes, in the first 50 pages it covered that and said that if Mr. Bennet died his estate would go to a distant male relative. Mrs. Bennet had her own means, but not enough to care for her many daughters as they were accustomed to.

p. 18:
Mr. Bennet's property consisted almost entirely in an estate of two thousand a year, which, unfortunately for his daughters, was entailed, in default of heirs male, on a distant relation; and their mother's fortune, though ample for her situation in life, could but ill supply the deficiency of his. Her father had been an attorney in Meryton, and had left her four thousand pounds.

[Alyosha]

So, why was that arrogant Mr. Darcy there?, as he obviously thought he was too goody-goody for the local girls.

It was common among the nobility to go to London for the winter and the country for the summer. All wealthy young men retired to the country and would attend local balls. In this case the ball was hosted by someone of nobility, making it acceptable for Mr. Darcy to attend even tho the lord in question was not as wealthy and of lower station than Mr. Darcy in spite of the title.

[Perianne]

It was common among the nobility to go to London for the winter and the country for the summer. All wealthy young men retired to the country and would attend local balls. In this case the ball was hosted by someone of nobility, making it acceptable for Mr. Darcy to attend even tho the lord in question was not as wealthy and of lower station than Mr. Darcy in spite of the title.

Hmmmpft! Nobility my butt. It was a different time I suppose.

[Peter1469]

It was common among the nobility to go to London for the winter and the country for the summer. All wealthy young men retired to the country and would attend local balls. In this case the ball was hosted by someone of nobility, making it acceptable for Mr. Darcy to attend even tho the lord in question was not as wealthy and of lower station than Mr. Darcy in spite of the title.

Wait a second. I would say that in Europe nobility is above all others, even the wealthier middle class.

[Paperback Writer]

Perianne and Matalese you are two who are reading this for the first time. If I may, without revealing too much, ask your first impression of Mr. Darcy and his character?

Having read it countless times and having been subjected to the various BBC and film versions I already have an "impression". I am trying to remember back to when I did not. He is to the British, the quintessential English gentleman.

[Paperback Writer]

Wait a second. I would say that in Europe nobility is above all others, even the wealthier middle class.

It says in the fiction that Darcy stands to inherit an earldom. Though he does not have his title yet he shall come into it.

[Dark Mistress]

I remember the first time reading this book. I could not stand Mr. Darcy. He irritated me left and right.

[Alyosha]

My favorite character on the first reading was Charlotte Lucas! :D

[Peter1469]

It says in the fiction that Darcy stands to inherit an earldom. Though he does not have his title yet he shall come into it.

Spoil alert.

[Peter1469]

I remember the first time reading this book. I could not stand Mr. Darcy. He irritated me left and right.

I don't like the guy.

[Perianne]

@Perianne (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=762) and @Matalese (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=796) you are two who are reading this for the first time. If I may, without revealing too much, ask your first impression of Mr. Darcy and his character?



I remember the first time reading this book. I could not stand Mr. Darcy. He irritated me left and right.

Thank you Paperback Writer for not revealing too much. I want to read the book and discover it as only one can do by reading.

I do not like Mr. Darcy at all. I have met men like him even in this day and age. He is arrogant. I do not like any man who thinks he is better than me.

[Paperback Writer]

Charlotte Lucas was a lesbian. I'm sure of it.

[Perianne]

Please everyone, no spoilers! Okay?

[Alyosha]

One last question and then we can adjourn til next week, but who do you want to slap more: Mrs. Bennet or Mr. Darcy?

[Dark Mistress]

Thank you Paperback Writer for not revealing too much. I want to read the book and discover it as only one can do by reading.

I do not like Mr. Darcy at all. I have met men like him even in this day and age. He is arrogant. I do not like any man who thinks he is better than me.

I understand that. I don't like arrogance myself. I do reflect a lot on the time period and the very DISTINCT separation of the classes. I think those who were wealthy or sprang from nobility knew they were better. They had more and those beneath would never rise to their status.

[Dark Mistress]

One last question and then we can adjourn til next week, but who do you want to slap more: Mrs. Bennet or Mr. Darcy?


Caroline Bingley, honestly.

[Alyosha]

I understand that. I don't like arrogance myself. I do reflect a lot on the time period and the very DISTINCT separation of the classes. I think those who were wealthy or sprang from nobility knew they were better. They had more and those beneath would never rise to their status.
Dark Mistress

good point. Often we judge people from the past by our standards.

[Alyosha]

Caroline Bingley, honestly.

Heehee! I want to slap the mother for not getting Lydia and Kitty under control! But Caroline Bingley runs a close second.

[Paperback Writer]

Caroline Bingley, honestly.

Caroline Bingley.

[Dark Mistress]

I think the problem is that she reminisces about her youth and was probably just like those girls! She understand their behavior.

[Perianne]

Caroline Bingley, honestly.

Refresh me: who is Caroline Bingley?

[Peter1469]

Thank you Paperback Writer for not revealing too much. I want to read the book and discover it as only one can do by reading.

I do not like Mr. Darcy at all. I have met men like him even in this day and age. He is arrogant. I do not like any man who thinks he is better than me.

But what if he really doesn't think he is better. Maybe he is just playing the role assigned to him by society?

[Alyosha]

I think the problem is that she reminisces about her youth and was probably just like those girls! She understand their behavior.

Could be. She's quite silly. I think she does not understand Lizzy and has to focus on the two she does get.

[Alyosha]

But what if he really doesn't think he is better. Maybe he is just playing the role assigned to him by society?
@Peter1469 (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=10)

excellent point! It probably does not cross his mind at all.

[Alyosha]

Refresh me: who is Caroline Bingley?

Mr. Bingley's sister. The bitchy one that makes comments to Darcy about Lizzy.

[Matty]

Mr. Knightly?
I thought mr. Collins, cousin to the Bennett women inherited mr. Bennett's estate? Did I read that wrong?

[Peter1469]

@Peter1469 (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=10)

excellent point! It probably does not cross his mind at all.

Is that not the condition we all find ourselves in?

[Perianne]

Mr. Bingley's sister. The bitchy one that makes comments to Darcy about Lizzy.

I vaguely remember her. I will watch out for her in the future, the bitch! No one gets to talk down about Elizabeth!

[Perianne]

One last question and then we can adjourn til next week, but who do you want to slap more: Mrs. Bennet or Mr. Darcy?

I have enjoyed this, but I suspect next week's discussion will be even better. Thanks, Alyosha, great idea!

[Paperback Writer]

I thought mr. Collins, cousin to the Bennett women inherited mr. Bennett's estate? Did I read that wrong?

No, she's referring to "me". It's an inside joke.

The estate was entailed to Mr. Collins their cousin.

[Peter1469]

So what is next week, the next 50 pages?

[Alyosha]

I have enjoyed this, but I suspect next week's discussion will be even better. Thanks, Alyosha, great idea!

I'm glad we all had a good discussion. Isn't it lovely to be troll free from time to time?

[Alyosha]

So what is next week, the next 50 pages?

Yep!

[Alyosha]

Paperback Writer

thank you so much for showing up today and doing this for me!
Peter1469 Ethereal thank you for your perspectives!


And to my lady friends, I hope we continue to have good, troll-free times.

[Paperback Writer]

@Paperback Writer (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=862)

thank you so much for showing up today and doing this for me!
@Peter1469 (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=10) @Ethereal (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=870) thank you for your perspectives!


And to my lady friends, I hope we continue to have good, troll-free times.


**bows**


Miss Woodhouse, ladies...

[Perianne]

I'm glad we all had a good discussion. Isn't it lovely to be troll free from time to time?

Yes, and I thank everyone for not trolling. May I ask that, after tonight's discussion is finished, we table further discussions on this book until next week, or at least don't get ahead of where we are?

[Dark Mistress]

Yes, and I thank everyone for not trolling. May I ask that, after tonight's discussion is finished, we table further discussions on this book until next week, or at least don't get ahead of where we are?

That is my intention Perianne. I don't want this book spoiled for you!

[Peter1469]

Whatever. I don't really like this book.... :smiley:

[Alyosha]

Yes, and I thank everyone for not trolling. May I ask that, after tonight's discussion is finished, we table further discussions on this book until next week, or at least don't get ahead of where we are?

Certainly!

[Matty]

I just need someone to tell me where page 100 ends in the real book.

[Alyosha]

Whatever. I don't really like this book.... :smiley:

Everyone loves the book.

[Peter1469]

Everyone loves the book.

Don't tell Code....

[Ethereal]

@Paperback Writer (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=862)

thank you so much for showing up today and doing this for me!
@Peter1469 (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=10) @Ethereal (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=870) thank you for your perspectives!


And to my lady friends, I hope we continue to have good, troll-free times.

:smiley:

[momsapplepie]

OMG I'm so sorry Guys! My business is pretty flexible but when I take an appointment I don't always think about things that I had planned! Please forgive me!

[Perianne]

OMG I'm so sorry Guys! My business is pretty flexible but when I take an appointment I don't always think about things that I had planned! Please forgive me!

We forgive you. I wondered where you were. Maybe next time? Read to page 100 then finish that chapter.

[momsapplepie]

will do!
anyway, interesting mock up of society for the time. The mother so pressured to retain her station, pushing the two eldest daughters to bring home the bacon and seal a more affluent future for the whole family. Darcy and Bingham know their stations, eligible, wealthy, and expected to be discerning in their choices. Caroline Bingham, being single, and controlling of her brother, as is Darcy. He is allowed to go "slumming" at the Ball, but Caroline makes it known, as well as Darcy, that these ladies are not quite good enough, for marriage, but are perfectly fine for a summertime dalliance.

[Perianne]

He is allowed to go "slumming" at the Ball, but Caroline makes it known, as well as Darcy, that these ladies are not quite good enough, for marriage, but are perfectly fine for a summertime dalliance.

If Darcy were to meet me, I would tell him to go dally with himself. Hmmmpft. I don't like him at all.

[Green Arrow]

Damn, I missed it. I was hoping the discussion would last until today, since I'm off =/

[Peter1469]

Damn, I missed it. I was hoping the discussion would last until today, since I'm off =/

I imagine that some people will talk about it through the day.

[Paperback Writer]

I logged on to post this. Thought the ladies might be interested in planning a trip sometime in the future

http://www.janeaustenfestivalbath.co.uk/history/netherfield-ball-2013/

[Matty]

In the end all these people will get laid. Am I right?

[Paperback Writer]

In the end all these people will get laid. Am I right?

After achieving marital bliss in the majority of cases. :wink:

[Alyosha]

I logged on to post this. Thought the ladies might be interested in planning a trip sometime in the future

http://www.janeaustenfestivalbath.co.uk/history/netherfield-ball-2013/

I would so dearly love to do this! :(

[Green Arrow]

What is with the obsession with Mr. Darcy? He seems like a dick.

[Peter1469]

What is with the obsession with Mr. Darcy? He seems like a dick.

Remember that the book was going to be titled First Impressions.

[Codename Section]

What is with the obsession with Mr. Darcy? He seems like a dick.

Oh shit. Now you've done it. Be prepared for being beaten with a rubber hose by Al and Dark Mistress.

[Cthulhu]

What is with the obsession with Mr. Darcy? He seems like a dick.

Well, for the most part, he is fairly abrasive. He has that brutal honesty thing down. Most people are a little uncomfortable with the truth - especially when spoken directly to them.

You can trust me on that.

[Dark Mistress]

Well, for the most part, he is fairly abrasive. He has that brutal honesty thing down. Most people are a little uncomfortable with the truth - especially when spoken directly to them.

You can trust me on that.

I guess you would know all about that Cthulhu wouldn't ya?
Green Arrow I cannot beat you with the rubber hose until you read the rest of the book. But I am prepared :violent1:

[Codename Section]

Well, for the most part, he is fairly abrasive. He has that brutal honesty thing down. Most people are a little uncomfortable with the truth - especially when spoken directly to them.

You can trust me on that.

If you grew up in the South you'd know how to say the same thing only people will thank you instead of get mad.

Cthulhu : Dark Mistress, that's completely false!

Codename Section: Sorry sugar, but that dawg just don't hunt!

Cthulhu: We may die tonight on this ambush, but hopefully we'll all make it out alive. Though some of you will probably lose something in the process.

Codename: This is gonna be hairy, I ain't gonna lie, but Lord willin' and the creek don't rise we'll make it through.

[Dark Mistress]

If you grew up in the South you'd know how to say the same thing only people will thank you instead of get mad.

Cthulhu : Dark Mistress, that's completely false!

Codename Section: Sorry sugar, but that dawg just don't hunt!

Cthulhu: We may die tonight on this ambush, but hopefully we'll all make it out alive. Though some of you will probably lose something in the process.

Codename: This is gonna be hairy, I ain't gonna lie, but Lord willin' and the creek don't rise we'll make it through.

I have no words, but at present I am laughing out loud. :laugh:

[Codename Section]

I have no words, but at present I am laughing out loud. :laugh:

Thought I did a good impression...

[Dark Mistress]

Thought I did a good impression...

In ways, yes. However, you still have much to learn about Cthulhu. Comes from an interesting pack of wolves. You'll see.

[Cthulhu]

I guess you would know all about that @Cthulhu (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=872) wouldn't ya?
@Green Arrow (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=868) I cannot beat you with the rubber hose until you read the rest of the book. But I am prepared :violent1:

Yeah. I am basically the lord and master of awkward situations. I can't count the amount of times I've said something that would embarrass normal folks. Reminds of of that estrogen comment I made in a room full of females, followed by a nonchalant departure.

[Cthulhu]

Thought I did a good impression...

Needs more cowbell.:cool2:
Codename Section

[Heyduke]

Is it over yet, this tiresome web of aristocracy? This worry over the decorum of a tea room? This post-Dickens decadence? I would not deign to troll your wearisome sessions, but I loath your choice of novels for tPF Book Club du Month.

Because Pride and Prejudice... you can talk it up all you want for pages and pages and pages and pages, and about first impressions and doilies and manners and tea cosies, and how your knees felt weak when the prince landowner duke heir rode up on a white horse with shampoed locks and bowed to your grace.

June, we do an American novel. We do Hemmingway or Steinbeck or Chandler or The Great American Novel, by Phillip Roth. Or, whatever, I'm flexible. If you decide on 50 Shades of Grey, I'll wait until July.

[Green Arrow]

Is it over yet, this tiresome web of aristocracy? This worry over the decorum of a tea room? This post-Dickens decadence? I would not deign to troll your wearisome sessions, but I loath your choice of novels for tPF Book Club du Month.

Because Pride and Prejudice... you can talk it up all you want for pages and pages and pages and pages, and about first impressions and doilies and manners and tea cosies, and how your knees felt weak when the prince landowner duke heir rode up on a white horse with shampoed locks and bowed to your grace.

June, we do an American novel. We do Hemmingway or Steinbeck or Chandler or The Great American Novel, by Phillip Roth. Or, whatever, I'm flexible. If you decide on 50 Shades of Grey, I'll wait until July.

I'd be fine with Hemingway or Steinbeck. What about Faulkner?

[Alyosha]

Is it over yet, this tiresome web of aristocracy? This worry over the decorum of a tea room? This post-Dickens decadence? I would not deign to troll your wearisome sessions, but I loath your choice of novels for tPF Book Club du Month.

Because Pride and Prejudice... you can talk it up all you want for pages and pages and pages and pages, and about first impressions and doilies and manners and tea cosies, and how your knees felt weak when the prince landowner duke heir rode up on a white horse with shampoed locks and bowed to your grace.

June, we do an American novel. We do Hemmingway or Steinbeck or Chandler or The Great American Novel, by Phillip Roth. Or, whatever, I'm flexible. If you decide on 50 Shades of Grey, I'll wait until July.


We'll be doing Jane well into July at this rate. I have no problem with an American novel. I like the classics myself. East of Eden, The Sun Also Rises, To Kill a Mockingbird, Huckleberry Finn, The Scarlet Letter

But...maybe we do Stephen King? Needful Things would be a great novel for this forum all things considered. It's probably his best work on "people".

[Matty]

Is it over yet, this tiresome web of aristocracy? This worry over the decorum of a tea room? This post-Dickens decadence? I would not deign to troll your wearisome sessions, but I loath your choice of novels for tPF Book Club du Month.

Because Pride and Prejudice... you can talk it up all you want for pages and pages and pages and pages, and about first impressions and doilies and manners and tea cosies, and how your knees felt weak when the prince landowner duke heir rode up on a white horse with shampoed locks and bowed to your grace.

June, we do an American novel. We do Hemmingway or Steinbeck or Chandler or The Great American Novel, by Phillip Roth. Or, whatever, I'm flexible. If you decide on 50 Shades of Grey, I'll wait until July.


Just speaking for me personally, I wouldn't do any book with you because you are so disrespectful of the efforts made here.

[Paperback Writer]

What's wrong with Austen?

[Alyosha]

What's wrong with Austen?

Nothing. Now that I've talked to some of the ladies and read Matalese 's comment I think we shouldn't let the boys bully us and we should just keep going with Austen.

Boys = not the Men in our book club

[The Sage of Main Street]

So, why was that arrogant Mr. Darcy there?, as he obviously thought he was too goody-goody for the local girls. I've suffered for acting like Darcy and for not acting like Darcy. A lot of these books fail to make a point that is reliable in reality.

I also got that suspicion about Natasha in War and Peace. Is it reliable to believe a lively girl like that? I found some who were just putting it on to make guys think they are a lot of fun.

[Green Arrow]

Nothing. Now that I've talked to some of the ladies and read @Matalese (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=796) 's comment I think we shouldn't let the boys bully us and we should just keep going with Austen.

Boys = not the Men in our book club

I made a constructive comment :tongue:

[Dark Mistress]

So are when are we meeting again everyone? Today be a holiday so I didn't know? Tomorrow? Perianne Alyosha Green Arrow Paperback Writer Matalese Peter1469 IMPress Polly

[Paperback Writer]

I can do it whenever. Just say the word.

[Perianne]

So are when are we meeting again everyone? Today be a holiday so I didn't know? Tomorrow? @Perianne (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=762) @Alyosha (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=863) @Green Arrow (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=868) @Paperback Writer (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=862) @Matalese (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=796) @Peter1469 (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=10) @IMPress Polly (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=399)

How about tomorrow? Good idea, Dark Mistress.

[Dark Mistress]

I am the same. I haven't quite finished my pages but can do so while at splash park.

[Peter1469]

I am ready whenever.

[Dark Mistress]

If everyone is on board I would prefer tomorrow since today is about my family.

[Paperback Writer]

If everyone is on board I would prefer tomorrow since today is about my family.

Tomorrow is fine.

[Peter1469]

Probably better for Alyosha as well.

[Perianne]

Tomorrow it is!

[Green Arrow]

Tuesdays or Wednesdays are best for me because that is when I have two days off.

[Dark Mistress]

Are we meeting today? I didn't know when but that we met at 6 pm eastern last week.

[Matty]

I am here, but I didn't get all my pages read. Did you?

I will just tune in to the discussion and play catch up for next week.

[Perianne]

I am here, but I didn't get all my pages read. Did you?

I will just tune in to the discussion and play catch up for next week.

Me neither, Matalese.

[Dark Mistress]

Well, in order to discuss everyone needs to have their pages read especially if you haven't read it yet.

[Perianne]

Well, in order to discuss everyone needs to have their pages read especially if you haven't read it yet.

I have been bad. Been on vacation all week and read other stuff. I planned on reading it last night, but then I had other things happening. Same with today. Ya'll go on and read and discuss. I am scheduled to work the remainder of the week. I will catch up on my breaks at work.

[Dark Mistress]

Missing Alyosha..... :sad: Need our mediator.

[Matty]

I apologize. my eyes burn and water from allergies. I'm going to the doctor tomorrow.

[Peter1469]

Unless Alyosha wants to start sooner, let's call next Monday for pages 50-100.

[Perianne]

I apologize. my eyes burn and water from allergies. I'm going to the doctor tomorrow.

Too much reading tPF. I have had allergies like that and it is miserable. I thought Florida was relatively free of such allergens.

[Peter1469]

Too much reading tPF. I have had allergies like that and it is miserable. I thought Florida was relatively free of such allergens.

Are you kidding? With all of those flowering plants? Usually the rain helps keep it down. Has it been dry there lately?

[Perianne]

Are you kidding? With all of those flowering plants? Usually the rain helps keep it down. Has it been dry there lately?

I didn't know. I had a friend of the family who had lung difficulties and had to move to Fort Myers. He did much better there.

[Matty]

Are you kidding? With all of those flowering plants? Usually the rain helps keep it down. Has it been dry there lately?


Yep last rain has been awhile, every year our pine trees pollinate. the car is covered in it, the bottom of the pool is covered in it

[Perianne]

Yep last rain has been awhile, every year our pine trees pollinate. the car is covered in it, the bottom of the pool is covered in it

Lexington is terrible. Just terrible.

So, Florida is full of allergens. Just goes to show ya learn something every day.

[Matty]

Lexington is terrible. Just terrible.

So, Florida is full of allergens. Just goes to show ya learn something every day.


It depends on what you are allergic to I guess, I go through this twice a year, a week or so ago I had sinusitis so bad I thought I'd die. Now it's the eyes.

[Perianne]

It depends on what you are allergic to I guess, I go through this twice a year, a week or so ago I had sinusitis so bad I thought I'd die. Now it's the eyes.

:(

[Dark Mistress]

It depends on what you are allergic to I guess, I go through this twice a year, a week or so ago I had sinusitis so bad I thought I'd die. Now it's the eyes.

Sorry Matalese. Get well soon :smiley:

[Alyosha]

I am so sorry everyone. I haven't been feeling the best and I overslept. I promise I'll be ready for next week. :(

[Dark Mistress]

Are we book discussing today?

[Codename Section]

I'll get her brother to get her on.

[Dark Mistress]

I can try to pose questions and discussion without her. It's just the second time we have planned to meet and I hate for it to not happen again and everyone lose interest. Perianne Matalese Green Arrow Peter1469 Paperback Writer did I miss anyone???